amen brother

hahahhaha so true

100% with you

Dare to dream

That's like every session at my table. It helps to have a players with larp backgrounds.

Guess in Camarilla court you gotta show a coldheart asshole side. The calmest person in that bit was probably Garrick.

Her background was as a spy, hitter, and soldier. Gotta run the gambit of emotions sometimes to have a cover.

I blame Gomez. HE WAS RIGHT AFTER ALL!

Saaaame

Well it's night shift down here at the yacht club... ^^

I would muuuch rather had the Deb of Night instead of Archangel. Don't get me wrong, I'm very interested to see where they go with Archangel as the story moves forward. But c'mon... THE DEB OF NIGHT.

Me too, the first words she speaks in the radio in La by night gave me goosebumps jus by how similar to deb's intro it was

Campbell is the sweetest.

Every soup needs a spoon.

Ib is gonna challenge Jasper for that Flexing championship soon

@@edoardoprevelato6577 Jasper owed her a boon! I'm sure if he is informed he will be willing to offer it. Depending on her sire and bloodline Ib could potentially be a Baron an Earl/Primogen even a Duchess/Princess of LA. and thats going by Camerilla rules. going by Anarchs if victor Nines, Abrams Fiona and Therese supported her she could do it anyway. Im still convinced LA could become a quasi Camerilla where both sides get something. If there is no compromise there is no future. the Cam know the long game and they know they could be "called away" and can'r impose top down rule anyway. And they have the Sabat to contend with. they need a level of order which will last. In fact if LA can establish a sort of respect for tradition coupled with rule by consent a process similar to democratisation would occur in the Vampire world. There would still be rulers and those of "higher" blood and status but all primary law would be through the consent of the governed and local realms would have their own ways of doing things so long as they respected the traditions and the masquerade. In this way even the Sabbat and Anarchs could be subsumed. But it means also the Ivory tower cant continue to exist in its old form. All must change in order to restore stability. Order from chaos. Chaos determining order. Interesting if any might note the reference to "Ordo Ab Chao"?

@@bartconnolly6104 i think the end result will be something like what we see in Bloodlines - a Camarilla prince (Suzanne) with anarchs like Nines and Therese retaining most independence but still following the main Camarilla laws.

@@edoardoprevelato6577 I can't agree. 1. Susanne cant rule if she has baggage against those who outed Vanevar. It just means more clandestine war. It would have to be understood she puts this behind her for the greater good. 2. Susanne would have to understand her haughtiness and superiority won't be accepted. Her superiority in ability and blood would be accepted but her expression of this as doing what she pleases on any but those under her own personal control would not be accepted. And even if she treats her own coterie and ghouls like dirt that will not gain her any admiration among her own nobles. "Noblesse oblige" is something she should know about and it is something she does not seem to realise! she hasn't learned! As she can't change with the times she has to go!

I wonder how that affected her embrace..do 100 year old ghouls become the equivalent of 100 year old vampires? If so she has quite a bit more flex than them now.

Princess IB also has a nice ring too.😁😎

​@@DarkHammer13 princess is a wife of the prince, a female ruler would still be a prince ;) (fun and only mildly related historical trivia; poland had a woman, jadwiga of poland, crowned king back in ye olde medieval times. big ventrue energy.)

VtM doesn't do "Princesses." A female Prince is... A Prince.

@@rateater1857 Have no idea where you heard that but if a royal couple has a daughter she is called princess not prince and if she rule is queen or princess, with some wierd exception like Jadwiga since she wanted to emphasize her status as Queen Regnant. VtM does its thing of course.

a crown and a septer :D

sort of... like a... mafia boss?

As long as people are Loyal to Victor, he's Loyal to them.

@@bartconnolly6104 Not even Close.

@@bartconnolly6104 Or just a modern Ventrue/Capitalist. He makes the market work FOR him by rewarding good work, making sure things are taken care of, promoting talent and letting other people do their best by not interfering. Usually. He did do some hard decisionmaking on behalf of Jasper and Eve at one point. For the better of everyone.

Was *damn* hard on Victor for a good bit, but as consequences came hard and heavy, he maneuvered like a seasoned kindred and, perhaps thanks to some structured giving from the game master, wound up in a considerably strong position, given his youth. Bonus points for being the adult in the room when the opportunity for a ceasefire presented itself, that really surprised me in a good way.

This is WOD. Desperation and tragedy is the name of the game. But so is hope. Also it’s totally CLOWN WORLD

Great observations! Let's hope /they/ know what they are.... ;)

@@JasonCarl Thanks a lot. Your work as a Storyteller has been a real inspiration to me and helped me immensly in running my own chronicles. Keep on trucking through the night :)

@@olivepeter1534 Thanks for the kind words! Great to know you're finding inspiration from our story.

I think it’s like, Victor is her friend while the Camarilla is her boss.

how many layers deep does this go i wonder

@@mmmicroplastics All the way to the Abyss, of course~

pfp checks out

Yeah it just feels like sometimes the other members of the coterie miss the point of Vic's actions or unfairly overplay his flaws. But honestly you could sometimes interpret it as them projecting their own insecurities onto him so... great roleplaying in the end?

In the coteries defense, Victor is a "controlling Ventrue". Now is he bad or not? Lets give him a couple centuries, if he makes it that long. p.s. It was totally the Awe speaking.

Victor is remarkably kind for a kindred of his blood and position. That said, he doesn't exactly have the kind of *real* power (age, resources, disciplines) to conveniently be cruel. Time is a better judge of character when it comes to this species.

They are all way too much of 'nice people' for kindred, and it's mostly because the rules around humanity (and loosing it) and frenzy are never enforced in this campaign.

@Paul Gauthier I do feel that they regularly betray humanity without consequences. Anabelle turning her lover into a ghoul should have cost her humanity. Anabelle causing a whole bunch of death while always pretending that she doesn't want to kill should have cost her humanity Jasper turning humans into vampires to have blood slaves should have costed him humanity The coterie is not nice, but their evil is consistently downplayed.

Some Lasombra love bruv.

That would explain the constant silent roles he kept making- the Ratpack is always watching!

Thank you! I really enjoy playing Abrams. :)

1.If Ib kills victor it would be not from her desire to do so. 2. There is no point in backstabbing someone who is looking. I mean it wouldnt be backstabbing then would it?

Giving her the plans to the tunnels was dumb.

@@mattiasnordstrom86 It was a risky move on his part, but Victor is looking to acquire as much talent and power as he can to add to his coterie. Showing trust towards Ib is a good first step if he wants to get her back under his command/employ/family. She could have very well have been manipulating him when she mentioned the "not feeling like family" bit to get him to "prove" himself to her with trust, but she could have also have been very genuine in her desire.

I hope she does. This story is in dire need of real consequences, and that's been the case for a loooooooong while.

TBH, IB didn't tell him about Vannevar wanting to shove the guy full of gold. I think some Roman did that.

@@JnEricsonx Some Roman suffered that. Crassus, when he tried to invade Parthia.

And operate in daylight. Sort of super ghouls. Also Eva can raise then to 13th generation and they won't be thin bloods. But using them as cannon fodder is not a sensible option.

Those are Sabbat tactics,.... mass embraced cannon fodder, embrace them, hit their head with shovels, bury them near the enemy, wait till the claw their way out of the ground in a blood frenzy.... shovelheads. But then again, thin bloods can't sire others because of their weak blood potency.

@@VandalAudi some can! There are 15 generation and 16th in the lore.

@@VandalAudi A select few can manage to pull off an Embrace.

some people really underestimate the benefits of meting out peace but here's some proof

He's a Columbo fan.

Well, Eva is a nicer being and could literally SMOKE Drusilla. Jasper vs Spike in hand to hand...tough call.

Jasper has alot more tricks then Spike does, it would be a done deal.

Same. :)

@@JasonCarl I don't know where You get "It" from, but You got it. You're an Amazing Story Teller and Actor. You can do it all. Can I ask a Stupid Question. If someone wanted to have a Session of D&D or this what would you charge to be the GM? Just curious.

@@JasonCarl By the way do you do all the Script Writing and what the Actors say?

@@JasonCarl Thank You Again for these Episodes and for Talking to us like You do.

@@JasonCarl Jason does this Video look Dark to You? I mean the Lighting. Victor's face is in the dark. I mean I know it's supposed to be Dark and Creepy, but we would still like to see their faces.

Well, let's hope they pull back on the GRRM or Steven Moffat pain giving.

duncan rae In my opinion after watching the episodes regarding the Camarilla, I believe it's Suzanne that wants control over Los Angeles and is in a way manipulating Vannevar to do it because she believes in authority and control, based on her relationship with Marie Antoinnette and that cultural time in France in the late 1700s.

I think ib maybe playing one or both sides. She maybe an agent of the sabbath

Carol Smith I had a feeling that she's up to something in this episode. I just assumed it was for the Camarilla. I'm wondering if she is still under Fiorenza's control.

Its Theresse laying the Dementation whammy on vanavar that has him going bonkers.

@@Kizzy-qb9si No! Don't think so! Why wouldn't she just take victor or someone in his coterie out and keep the war going? there are much easier ways of assisting the sabbat than talking to Victor and helping him.

Chloe

Maybe, since she disappeared after Ava helped her :))

@Bambi Eyes Are you kidding me? That's 100% Becca Scott.

That's been on my top 3 suspects list from day 1. A ghouled journalist wanting bigger, more important stories to report on even at personal risk? The only question is if she could get access to all the information.

I bet its Elleonore Annabelles Girlfriend from Season one.

"So after I heard you were sheriff I'm like cool cool I'm DEAD."

YA KNOW... a point, here. a biggie.

Lascombra don't operate at that level do they? It is more bottom up. Ib would go to a court of blood to ask to diabelerise another Lascombra. I dont know how it might work with a Cam like Victor but is is usually about loyalty or benefit to the Clan. Removing Victor would not do much. Removing the Scourge would position Lascombra to have influence in LA. Maybe Ib is being also targeted by the scourge? I think Ib could advance the idea of a "loose cannon" and the need for Lascombra to have a long term plan. Maybe better would be to clandestinely plan for Victor or someone else to remove the second scourge without any Lascombra involvement. When the Lascombra eventually come looking for influence in LA Ib could confide in Victor and come up with a plan to involve them without conflict.

Easy. Raise her up. Give her power. Give her a hunger for it. Then make her choose between Victor and her own power. She picks power, she'll kill Victor. She picks power they will break her and make Victor watch.

That's why I don't trust this "Oh, we're Camarilla now" one damn bit. The Lasombra letting go of their beloved Sword of Caine to join an enemy they've fought for centuries? No, the Cam are being played for suckers and have let their doom right into the house.

Maybe not the best example, what about Julian from KTE?

Mine, too. :)

Chaz was still after the grove and after Elysium and stuff, shit went down at the Grove but it was for sure started by the sheriff. And then the prince and seneschal broke the rules of Elysium.

xKimichi Lasombra are a pretty wicked clan.

@@Mutant_X98 i know right!!

Thats the point. You shouldn't trust kindred. They literally are just out for their own self interests

I... I think she's legit guys 😭 I mean yea she'll do what she has to but I think she's telling the truth about caring abt him

Ib's friendship with Victor is more deep then what we see. The bonus episode from wondercon showed that Ib is very much Victor's friend, is emotionally invested in their friendship, and she was devastated when she had to leave. Yes Ib was Fiorenza's ghoul and In front of others she plays the stoic professional, but don't forget Victor literally jumped in front of a werewolf for her and this season she went to bat for him when she met with Vanniver & Suzanne. When she is doing her job she's all hard business, but with Victor their bond is Iron.

Yeah that's right Strauss is Old. Why isn't he feeling the Call?

Rue Stahl pretty sure it’s been established that elders can refuse the call, though it takes some effort. I’m more wondering why Straus is resisting the call when whatever is going on east is probably something really important that he’d want to get some eyes on. Again, unless there’s something in LA he thinks is somehow more important.

GOOD question. ;) The Beckoning is dependent on an uncertain combination of Generation, Blood Potency, chronological age, clan, personal willpower, and luck; it's not at all uniform. Strauss might be feeling it strongly and fighting it, or he might not be feeling it at all...yet.

Down Boy Down... Lmao..

Enimvero, pulcheritudo eius superat multa (omnia, si fas est) ut alter amandus alteram.

It could just be the product of the partially improvised storylines, but they feel very wishy washy about who they make evil and how they characterize them

It's really about who are you as a person