I love that they had Shang Chi follow through with his father's order cause it showed that he's a real person, as in not having stereotypical heroic morals and showed the guilt and shame he felt from getting the revenge he thought he wanted

"That guy" you guys love is Sir Ben Kingsley, another Oscar-winning actor having fun on the MCU stage. His catalogue goes back many decades.

Adore this movie. Need Shang-Chi and Katy to make a reappearance ASAP.

Watching you go through the emotional progression of this movie was hard but I hung in there and I was not disappointed. Xu Wenwu is my favorite villain with Killmonger a close second. Its because they are complex and the MCU has had to take time to be able to develop more complex stories. There were reasons for this because of the differences between Marvel Entertainment and Marvel Studios but with their separation and Disney settling the political battle between Ike Pearlmutter and Kevin Feige Marvel Studios was able to gain the independence to tell their own stories. This follows a typical Chinese tragedy story arc where victory and the villain must come to sad resolutions for the hero. Xu Wenwu was never a good guy but he was a good father or as good as he could be. He loved his family and it was the realization of that love to allow him to sacrifice himself in the end to give his son and daughter the chance to be the heroes that they were born to be. A very Chinese American twist on good Chinese tragedy story telling.

BTW i think you could watch the Post credits of Black Widow now. (Do NOT watch Dr Strange 2 whitout Wandavision)

This is a story that is so well told...I know for myself that parents with a past can be difficult, sometimes impossible, but the kind of people we choose to be isn't bound by that

What, Ozai didn’t love Zuko’s mom. He was obsessed with her and her lineage as she was descendant of the previous avatar. She was forced to marry him

Also the monster who fights Wong is the Abomination (Emil Blonsky) from the Incredible Hulk. He's played by Tim Roth

Werewolf by night can be watched out of release order. Its perfect for Halloween

The dad took him because he was the only one that saw who killed his mom that's why if you notice when they walk in his son gives him a lil nod of confirmation before he attacked the guys

Shang-Chi, Master of King Fu was my favorite martial art superheroes of the 70's from Marvel.🎵🎶🎼

Thanks Meg and caleb for reacting to this movie, it's one of my favorite of the MCU and also a comfort film for me (don't even know why). I also really liked your reaction, you both often have good insights and analysis on what you're watching. ^^

i love how every reactor i've seen to shang chi goes in excited about simu and shang chi, but after the films done they discuss tony leung's wen wu the most. Fantastic casting all around and saying Tony leung is the highlight of the MCU for me is something i never thought i'd be saying but when he was cast i didn't have a doubt in my mind he would bring a complex range of emotions to this villian

The narcissistic parents never changing hit close to home. Love the full circle arc for his dad, such a great villain who peeled back the layers to sacrifice everything for his son in the end. ❤🙏🏾

I grow up watching Tony Lueng, he is a legend in Hong Kong. First time I saw him played a role in a foreign film. He played this villain role fantastically.

28:11 no it’s more likely that when she escaped she purposely went down into the dungeon to escape.

When you said "That actor should get an award" I was like 😳. Um....actually that is Sir Ben Kingsley who won an Oscar for playing Ghandi.... lol

Shang's sister is an AMAZING fighter. Driven with determination. A whole class of her own. But if it's compared to Shang... He's not known to be the Martial arts Master in the whole MCU for no reason. He is the best in that area. Nobody can beat him in the area of Martial arts, not even his sister. He was severly pulling his punches when he was fughting his sister in the ring because he didn't want to hurt her at all. Leading him to put his guard completely down. There's a lot that influenced bith of they're fighting styles but Shang has always been and is, at the end of the day, a far superior fighter.

Watching the Back to the Future trilogy is now on your homework list, if it wasn't already.

That fighting arena that Xialing runs is a buffet of easter eggs and cameos! A Black Widow assassin fighting an Extremis (Iron Man 3) soldier, The Abomination from the first Hulk movie fighting Wong, and I'm sure there's one's I've missed, but man, it's just so cool to see the landscape of brawlers expanded out that far since the start of the MCU!! Also... Broken record here... If you love easter eggs, interconnectivity and the expansion of the MCU, among other things, as much as I do, Agents of SHIELD is sooooooo worth it :P I also feel you can appreciate Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness MORE after seeing season 4 of Agents of SHIELD. It's not required, but it's like DLC in a video game. Totally enriches the experience :) Great reaction, as always, and enjoy!!

The point of comparison I always have with Wenwu is Gendo Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion- men who view themselves as terrible people, only redeemed by the love of their wives. When that love is lost, they try to get it back out of the fear that they can’t be a worthy person, or worthy father, without their soulmate.

Like another comment mentioned Werewolf by night is perfect for a Halloween watch and is not connected to anything else timeline wise so it can be watched out of order, they have an in color version that just released by I recommend the original black and white it’s sooo good for a short film that came out of nowhere

I can't tell if you're familiar with Ben Kingsley ( Mandarin actor dude). Just want to let you know that his body of work is quite extensive and significant in my humble opinion. Worth checking out his filmography.

fun fact, or idk maybe for when the show comes out, the actor who is going to play Zuko (Dallas Liu) in the live action ATLA played Katy's brother.

"This guy deserves an award." Well, Ben Kingsley has an Oscar for playing Gandhi, so . . . I agree!

The beginning of the new phase Despite what you have heard of future movies,Shang chi was pretty well recieved and did decently well despite being a covid movie at the time

I love this movie. I think one thing to think about with Wenwu is that he is a thousand years old. He'd have been a warlord in an age when the tactics he uses here would have been considered mild, even merciful, and he wouldn't have thought of himself as the bad guy until she taught him otherwise, and then after she died... yeah. Right back to what he had known for centuries.

I think he loved his kids strongly but her love for him was contingent on him becoming his better self. In order to protect and love his kids he thought it best to revert which of course was wrong.

Thank you for these reactions!! SHANG-CHI & THE LEGEND OF THE TEN RINGS takes place in late Winter early Spring, 2024 just before the events of FALCON & THE WINTER SOLDIER, March-April 2024. This is according to the layout of the MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE official timeline (you can see this layout without dates on DISNEY+ in the Marvel section). How is this determined? The blip event where Thanos snapped away half of all life in Universe-616 ("the Sacred Timeline") ended sometime late September 2023 immediately preceding the Battle for Earth (see AVENGERS ENDGAME) on the Hudson Valley in the northern New York state. The blip had lasted five years and happened in 2018. The events of WANDAVISION take place in the weeks following ENDGAME, around Halloween time. The first three PHASE IV projects give us the whole direction and thrust of THE MULTIVERSE SAGA (Phases IV, V, VI and possibly VII). 1) WANDAVISION: introduces us to the Scarlet Witch, the most powerful being in the Multiverse. She is key to solving the Three Problems of the Multiverse Saga (1. The Dynasty of Kangs, 2. The Incursions, and 3. the even more powerful God-Emperor of Battleworld, Doctor Doom). 2) FALCON & THE WINTER SOLDIER: establishes Sam Wilson as the new Captain America, the hero who will unite New Avengers, Old Avengers, and Young Avengers to face the Kangs, and more importantly, will lead survivors from Earth-616 to confront the greatest of all supervillains, Doctor Doom. Aided by the Fantastic Four, Wilson will lead surviving heroes from Earth-616 and other lost timelines into Battleworld. 3) LOKI: introduces us to 31st-century Nathaniel Richards and his variants, the Kangs. His introduction as “He Who Remains” alludes to the coming of both the Fantastic Four (because all Kangs descend from Reed Richards) and the greatest threat and supervillain of all, Doctor Doom (for all Kangs use Doom’s Space-Time Platform). SHANG-CHI and its PHASE VI sequel, "THE WRECKAGE OF TIME," are very important entries in the MULTIVERSE SAGA. The Ten Rings are actually quantum technology used by a Kang-variant (see ANTMAN & THE WASP QUANTUMANIA), one who conquered the 41st-century Kree and Shi-ar Star Empires. The Rings are powerful: they can be used to create designer timelines editing alternate pasts and futures. These time-definat Rings (a wink at who they really belong to, Kang the Conqueror), prevent AGING to anyone who wields them (like they did for Xu Wenwu as seen in SHANG-CHI), and can be integrated into a Multiversal-Engine "Lifeboat", granting escape to anyone fleeing their dying universe undergoing an Incursion event (see DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS). The Rings and the Quantum Bands (see MS MARVEL, THE MARVELS) will play an important role when universes begin dying in Phase VI on the road to AVENGERS SECRET WARS. Remember these three points, what the Ten Rings really are, and be patient. Doom is coming.

That was Emil Blonksy AKA Abomination in the cage with Wong. The "villain" from the Incredible Hulk film.

Shang-chi skills are so go he could beat bucky and Steve without the 10 rings. Using the Rings he could go toe-to-toe with someone on Thor's level. Two of the early fighters where a black widow assassin and extremist soldier from iron Man 3.Wong's opponent at the fighting pits was the abomination the villain from the incredible Hulk movie. The abomination evolved over time like Bruce did also he looks more comic book accurate. And if you noticed Bruce became human again when he became smart Hulk he merged the two states of being preventing from turning human again.

I think meg will really like Loki

Simi Liu is a stuntman a dancer and a martial artist he does his own stunts yes that was the great protector she was the dragon on the wall Auntie showed them when they arrived xx

Spider-Man Far from home was the last movie from phase 3. Shang Chi, Black Widow, and Eternals can be seen without having to see anything new.

If you liked this movie, I have to also recommend "Short Term 12", which was Destin Daniel Cretton's breakout directorial debut. An extremely underrated movie with an insane cast and heartbreaking story.

First time to see your reactions! and I love it!😊

Shang chi in the mcu has a lot of similarities with DC's Talia. Wenwu shares similarities with Ra's. But rings instead of lazarus pit

where's Spider-Man: Far From Home, WandaVision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Loki, Black Widow and What If... all of those come before Shang-Chi ?

Trevor is played by Academy Award winning actor Sir Ben Kingsley. Google his work.

That Green dude is abomination from the Incredible Hulk

My favorite Marvel movies are Spider-Man No Way Home, Black Panther, Shang-Chi & The Legend Of The Ten Rings, Captain America The Winter Soldier, & Iron Man. My favorite Marvel TV shows are Daredevil, The Punisher, Moon Knight, Falcon and The Winter Soldier, Loki, & Wandavision

tony leungs(shang chis dad) has very good charisma. first ive seen him was in infernal affairs. where "the departed" by scorcese was copied from.

Excellent segment! Well done you two! (21 December 2023)

Are you guys still moving through the MCU? This was 5 months ago, and while a lot of the post-Endgame MCU is less than expected, there's some gems in there. Guardians 3 is good. Black Panther 2 is decent.

Wong was fighting Abomination from the Incredible Hulk

I love Trevor Slattery.

are you guys gonna go back and watch the mcu disney plus shows and and movies before this? this doesn't spoil anything you skipped but j wondering if you're planning on doing all of it

Razor…..the machete armed guy. Seems like a possible case of seenthisbeforeness. I’m skeptical but I’ll keep watching.

Did you watch the other Phase 4 projects before this?

Jessica jones new episodes when?

nice neat dude hoodie 🤝

Did they call Abomination Killer Crock and Fishey

The only way to do Karaoke is drunk as fuck

Man of steel?🥺

I know that this movie's third act turn out to be yet another big cgi fight, but damn...it's a good cgi fight.

16:08 no. No he didn’t. He loved that she was related to Roku and could produce strong heirs. The relationship was toxic and abusive.

Omfg y'all must just be JOKIN about having Odin SIMPS in your comments 💀

can you watch into the spiderverse and across the spiderverse

So wins bad father of the year, Wenwu or Odin

John Wick movie reaction please 💓💗💞💖

the last good MCU movie

my biggest pet peeve is the bus scene. buses use air brakes. they compress air to disengage the brakes and allow you to drive. if they cut the air line it would lose pressure and the brakes would automatically engage. the bus should have stopped rather quickly

Nobody ever recognizes the Abomination 😢

So let me get these straight, you purposefully don't watch these in theaters when they come out just so you can watch at home months later on a smaller screen?

Just a heads up…..keep your expectations low when you get to the next martial arts hero in the MCU…..iron fist 😑😒

the only good thing in mcu phase 4 so far

Hey, Meg and Caleb! Sadly, this was an atrocious adaptation of the "Shang-Chi" comics written by Doug Moench and illustrated by Paul Gulacy which were gritty, sexy, violent and espionage-heavy. In the comics, Shang-Chi is the son of the Sax Rohmer pulp villain Dr. Fu Manchu but they changed it in the film to have him be the son of Tony Stark's nemesis in the comics, the Mandarin. The license to use Fu Manchu had long since expired and the Chinese government would have prohibited distribution of the film in the lucrative Asian market due to cultural hypersensitivity about "Yellow Peril" stereotypes. Instead, both the Mandarin and Shang-Chi are nerfed into a lovelorn widow with sentimental aspirations to reconnect with his prodigal son and a Beta-male slacker suffering from arrested development, respectively. Despite sanitizing and de-fanging the story, the Chinese government banned the film anyway so Disney compromised authenticity and artistic integrity for nothing! The Ten Rings are the Mandarin's weapons and are a product of Makluan science, an alien civilization whose beings resemble talking dragons. Hence, the motif of talking dragons in Chinese folklore. Each ring has a different power set and the tech is so advanced that it resembles sorcery which makes the Mandarin a good foil for Tony who is a tech-based hero. Their duels were about magic opposing science. The comics are like a mash-up of Bruce Lee and James Bond! It's a 125-issue run that Quentin Tarantino grew up devouring! Razorfist and Death Dealer are pretty much the only authentic pulls from the source material. There are some pleasing fight sequences but Jackie Chan does it better. Tremendous mega-stars like Tony Leung and Michelle Yeoh are frustratingly wasted in this dreck! Ben Kingsley reprising Trevor Slattery was painfully unfunny and he should have appeared as a torture victim sadistically kept alive for the temerity of impersonating the Mandarin as a way of demonstrating the ruthlessness and narcissism of the villain. I hope you saw the One-Shot "ALL HAIL THE KING" which is the bridge between "Iron Man 3" and "Shang-Chi" showing how Trevor ends up in Wenwu's clutches. This film was a huge disappointment and completely unrecognizable from its dark and uncompromising pulp roots. A terrible shame as it could have been as culturally significant to the Asian community as "Black Panther" had been to the African community.

Fun fact, Ta Lo is one of the 7 mythical realms on earth said to be the 7 capital cities of heaven or something like that, another of those 7 is Kun Lun from Iron Fist series! Very similar places only Kun Lun dragon has wings and it's heart gives the worthy champion who faces it, the power of the Iron Fist! Now imagine a Shang Chi sequel like (Shang Chi And The Legendary Iron Fist) DOOOOOOOOOOOOPE!!!!! Especially cause they both dipping major hip hop vibes and sick beats, sure Iron Fist would be recast though

Shang Chi: How To Train Your Dragon. 😅😂😂😂😂

Dont trained hi daughter_mysoginy Trained his daughter_ why would he do that to a kid...i bet American people can find foul in everything

Hi! I'm a huge fan of the Batman reactions, but had to kick in this door just to say... it continually surprises me how much your husband looks like Tom Holland. That's all. Have fun! You guys are awesome!

A shame how slept on this movie was. The best Marvel film in a long time. Totally unexpected too.

Shang Chi and Iron Fist team up MAKE IT HAPPEN MARVEL OR BE GONE!!!!!