Thanks for your time!

I totally agree that the notion these watches aren’t worth any more than $150 is way off base. That said, I have concerns over the vast numbers of discontinued Filsons on eBay these days for somewhere in the $200-$300 price range. I bought a Shinola Runwell at full price and I love it. Then I saw a Filson at Nordstrom Rack for a shade under $300 that I couldn’t resist. Since then, I have added a few more Filsons bargain basement priced on eBay. I believe in the laws of supply and demand, but I think I got a steal on every one of those eBay purchases. I have a few Citizen watches I purchased for about the same price as the Filsons, and I’d say the Filsons, assembled by Shinola, and my Shinola, are superior in every observable respect to the Citizens. And I like the Citizens. The difference in quality and attention to detail is obvious to me. And they are among the most accurate watches I’ve ever owned (other than my $100 Casio atomic). Are they worth $600-$1,000? I have a harder time defending that when the market has been flooded with $200-$300 discontinued Filsons that are new with tags and used to sell for $600+ just a year or two ago. I really worry that Bedrock has risked the cache of the brand by allowing this to happen. However you slice it, though, when you hold one of these in your hand and wear it for a few weeks, I don’t think any reasonable person would have second thoughts about whether these are quality time pieces. The cherry on top is that they are assembled in Detroit.

Jon A god thank you for saying this! I feel like he’s just speaking to the snobby reddit echo chamber

😂😂😂 you bought one and they’re a piece of shit. Nice job 👍 lose your ego buddy

@@tristanpouw702 So Switzerland is one of the "cheapest corners of the world" now? Do your own research and stop being persuaded by fake news.

Why do you have to bring me into the conversation??

You're being entirely facetious, right?

It's neither honest nor knowledgable. But good for the gullible like yourself.

Very fair assessment!

So you're a cheapo. Go shop at Goodwill or Walmart. Knockoffs are your speed.

Yeah, they are disrespecting the "Shinola" brand name, it once stood for great value and products that were actually a reflection of its state. They made of it a BS "life-Style" brand, and a middle finger to Detroit.

+80sruler that's a good price esp compared to a AP or PP haha

+Jack Stanislow and it is mechanical 👍🏻

And so, what's that got to do with Shinola? You felt a need to list your watches without any relevance to the post?

archerlucid Go with a Hamilton Auto, Tissot Auto or maybe a tribuna ommagio PAM532 Radiomir homage over something like a fossil swiss etc.

archerlucid get Hamilton

I'll look into those, thanks guys.

Good recommendations, don't be afraid of Japanese watches either. But I've been very happy with my Hamiltons.

Thanks for the reply! I do like the look of the watches from this video and Hamilton looks to be a little more classy looking, the Hamilton I do like is the Field and the pilot pioneer.

Very good way of putting it, I also hope that as they become more successful they introduce autos into the line

You are correct EDC Gunner, for most people it wouldn't matter.

EDC Gunner Agreed

EDC Gunner I wouldn't consider myself a "watch nerd" but I just don't see the merit in paying 500-700 dollars on a watch with a 10 dollar quartz movement. I guess if you really care about having a watch that is assembled in Detroit then go for it.

+PurityofEssence And there is no merit in paying 500-700 for a mechanical movement either. Let's be clear that ALL watches over $100 are overpriced. Yes , every single one from Seiko to Rolex. Next, there is nothing wrong with a quartz movement. The reviewer keeps knocking quartz and he is wrong to do so. There are plenty of excellent quartz watches. Shinola/Filson watches are priced accordingly, and if somebody likes how they look then there is nothing wrong with paying the asking price. Same as Omega, Rolex and Patek. They are ALL overpriced, but again, people are buying them for the 'name' and the look and there is nothing wrong with that.

Filson watches generally wind up at Macys and TJ Maxx for less than $100. Shinola doesn't. Shinola is worth ~$150 and Filsons are worth ~$100.

+ilia djondric excellent thinking! I completely agree!

You cant say Rolex is overpriced when they are the only ones who can make a Rolex(movement). You can say Shinola is overpriced when you can get a Swiss Rhonda movement in a $50 Invicta, heck, even $200 Swiss made Invicta

MrTheTerminal | Lasst Euch Terminieren! if you gonna wear it everyday, gold plating will wear off and it wont look very nice .. otherwise its a good watch .. consider stainless steel

I agree with +edcgunner

sorry man I highjacked your comments section but couldn't help myself lol

well sure, but saddleback is 3 times the price. i do enjoy my classic briefcase though.

History is not why anyone is buying a Shinola watch. Nor is it necessary for quality. You agree with an assessment that backs up an irrational prejudice you have about a product you have neither tried out nor owned. Sure, we'll listen to you. YOU DON"T FUCKING KNOW YOUR SHIT FROM SHINOLA!

That is a very harsh and abusive response. Furthermore, it does not reflect a corresponding refute of what I said. I mentioned value for the money. For the price of a Filson watch, you could get a very nice mechanical timepiece. Cheers.

A $5 Chinese quartz POS will keep accurate time. So what??

Thanks for your comment! I didn't mean to be demeaning about the Timex comment. Timex has some serious design chops IMO. The Runwell reminds me a lot of the Weekender, that's all I meant.

555 Gear Thank you for the clarification and I've seen your positive reviews of the Timex, which I feel are on the money. I also feel many viewers will not take your comparison as complimentary. Overall, thank you for the great work!

Great point!

Excellent anecdote thanks for sharing. Stories like this are telling for sure

Yeah totally. I really wanted to support an "American" brand which is why I thought dropping $800 on a quartz was ok. But if we're paying for the high quality labor, and the movement is literally $10, there is no reason why they couldn't get the rest of the watch to be blemish free to the naked eye. The materials were all very nice and the watch was comfortable on the wrist and solid, but I would never recommend anyone buying one of these without seeing the exact one you're buying in person.

Anthony Dimaano Good catch!

+Linzie Rogers Do you know anything about watches?

David. Nordstrom Rack frequently gets Shinola(and some Filson) watches and they are usually 40% off retail.

Accuracy.

I don't have a problem with the quartz movement per se, I just think they should be offered for quite a bit less money considering how inexpensive the quartz moment is to manufacture

So this, it baffles me that on a +$500 watch the engineers and management would just outright write this off as, 'Can't be done; they're all like this; doesn't matter; stop looking at it, out with the wallet then, pal.' I have 3 Seiko quartz, up to ~25 years old. All of them are extremely precise with the markers.

Agreed. And I totally love my Runwell with its moon phases in addition to time and date. It's a snazzy piece to wear and a head turner, as well as sturdy, practical, well designed and well made in the USA. I also love my Shinola Bicycle - people are constantly asking me what kind of bike it is, as it turns heads with its beauty and quality. And I love riding it. I have no problem with the price tags. The old adage, "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" might apply here. A bunch of low income people reviewing high end products, a bunch of Walmart shoppers reviewing designer products, doesn't cut it.

Yeah, they are disrespecting the "Shinola" brand name, it once stood for great value and products that were actually a reflection of its state. They made of it a BS "life-Style" brand, and a middle finger to Detroit.

ill look into weiss

Corey Shaughnessy with a brief search of weiss, they use the same imported swiss movements as shinola, for 4x the price

And you view this as "honest" - why? The "reviewer", or alleged reviewer, is the only scam going on.

Thanks for your comment, I agree there are more interesting watches out there

Made in Detroit is a big reason Americans WILL pay for this fine watch. Stay in Amsterdam. Obviously the drugs have had an effect on your mind, and you are possessed of Eurovision-the inability to see beyond your tiny borders.

Assembled in Detroid is not the same as made in Detroid.

Spoken like a European, of course. Could not expect you to value American made, Detroit, etc. I have met Europeans that won't buy and iPhone 7 either, because they can't conceive of walking around with a $1,000 device in their pocket. I can't imagine that kind of small mentality, and it is their loss. You are in Amersterdam, where everyone is too stoned to understand much. We don't expect you to understand DETROIT. You drive teeny little cars, for crying out loud. Or simply ride bikes. So please, your comments on a brand like Shinola are utterly irrelevant in this county.

The case is made in China. The Ronda movement is Swiss. "Made in Detroit", is just marketing. Nothing more.

I love how you so matter-of-fact say that it "isn't even made in the U.S." You know that there is only one watch company in the entire country that can legally put "Made in the USA" on their products, right? Shinola makes their own straps, dials, and a few other watch parts. You know where your Seiko automatic movement was made? Malaysia. They do almost zero manufacturing in Japan these days. You know where all of the components come from in all of your other brands you mentioned? China, besides the 51% movement rule that allows them also to put "Swiss Made" on the dial.

Moment in Time Only assembled in USA Please read this. From Forbes. It’s been a long haul over the past year for the Federal Trade Commission trying to make inroads into the “Made in America” situation as it pertains to Detroit-based Watch Company, Shinola, but it seems the road now comes to an end. The FTC has ruled that Shinola must change its advertising slogan and offer better disclosure about its American-made claims.

I bought a Hamiliton automatic watch and that thing broke down on me within 2 years. I barely wore it and was very dissapointed. Hamiliton said warranty expired and offered to fix it for $450. What a joke. I ended up selling it. I like Shinola's designs and ethos. They also happen to have a lifetime warranty on their watches.

What? Maybe you actually bought a phony.

I have not purchased one. I think it is most apparent @ 4:40.

It appears that way, but it's because of the angle. I own one of each and they all line up.

Matt Lester Yes IMO

+MrClowdee I actually researched the movement and found it to be the said price, not wholesale. Now it has moved up to ~$27 + $16 for S&H. Still cheap. Check my ebay link

Wrong. But boy are you easy to sway with a simple, ignorant "review" by a guy who can't even pronounce the name of the brand correctly!

"Shitola" FTFY ;)

Wrong. Read mh comment above. These are very fine watches. I'm a collector and I can tell you tgat the author of this video is clueless.

Benedict San Diego Most are quartz if not all to my knowledge.

jackalo626 They do have a automatic range with a swiss designed 2428 copy movement

Anthony Dimaano Learn something new everyday. What is the quantity of them? 1-5% out of their production? There is a Fossil store I have even went to at my mall and never seen an automatic.

jackalo626 Here's one from their Swiss collection: www.fossil.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=12052&langId=-1&catalogId=25005&categoryId=376590&cm_vc=376590&pn=&productId=22395878&imagePath=FSW1001 They also own They also own Zodiac watches. Check out their Sea Wolf line!

Anthony Dimaano I had bad luck when I was a young guy with their watches and won't likely go back. They had the numeral 9 fall off a watch 2 months old (dress watch NOT dropped or hit) and the chrono stopped working when they sent it back after repairing. Oh yeah they also put a scratch across the entire case back I could grab with a nail easily. They sent me a new one after I told them but come on, they knew it was there when they sent it back the first time. That and I had one that would only last a year on a battery 3 years in a row and that was them changing it before I had the tools and the want to do it myself. Hope they provide a better product these days. A Fossil was the longest brand I wore as a teen to late twenties.

I agree, it's A little hard seeing him cash in on the Americana element with better American brands like Weiss, Kobold, or RGM flying under the radar

dmect2207 It's all in name, branding and status. Why do pp pay $300 for J Brand jean, $500 Prada loafers or $10K for Hermes bag, because they can. It's ridiculous to me when one shop for luxury items and think about their "value".

Yep it's a complete contradiction...

First you've got to "earn" the "name".

BS. No it doesn't and never did.

+Alfredo Galarraga I believe that Citizen was always a Japanese watch brand and that they bought out Bulova making Bulova a Japanese brand too. Hamilton is Swiss now but they still feel very American. A very nice American Made watch with mechanical movements would be Martenero and Weiss Watches. RGM if you are rich!

There are no $400 Shinolas, so clearly you didn't buy one. What difference does it make if you've seen a "review" that is someone being paid to diss the competition?

Well, I've got a receipt that says otherwise. Nordstrom Rack. Something tells me you're an employee of the company by the way you defend them in your other comments throughout this section. Perhaps you live in Detroit and you're proud of the company? To say there's no $400 Shinolas is a bit ignorant, even if you are CFO of the company you have no idea what every single vendor sets their product's prices at.

+J Free Welcome to my channel! It appears that you haven't watched any of my other videos on watches or my commentaries on the industry based on your assessment that I'm new to the hobby, which is factually untrue as I have been a collector for a decade, and anyway your claim is not something you could substantiate on the basis of a single video. Your take on Filson, however, is fair enough-- though perhaps as someone who admits they have no vested interest in the brand, your opining on the brand, after being critical of me doing the same, is a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say? I welcome "serious" watch collectors here (which I take you to be), but for future reference a bit more respectful approach would be appreciated. Thanks, Andrew

...so then what's the definition of an expert?

Unfortunately that's my impression too :(

+kaunas888 same here

Had to go racist didn't you? Funny how we will never get over racism until reverse racism goes away. Your notion that they hired a bunch of middle class white people to run the company without knowing anything about the company at all is so ridiculous. You are the racist, you just don't realize it. Who cares what color the people who run it are? We'll never get past color until people like you do.

They actually employ hundereds of African Americans who are in every division of the company. What a stupid comment to make before even doing your research.

"probably got" Facts please.

silkhead44 For sure

Yeah Blues Brothers fans probably notice that haha

They brand is still making shoe polish. Go to the website. Fine leather care. Leather products. Bicycles. Watches. The expression was never derogatory to Shinola, it was aimed at putting down dumbasses, like this reviewer and many of the commenters, who are too stupid to know the difference between shit on your shoe or Shinola shoe polish on your shoe. This reviewer epitomizes the saying. Why should that put you off? I repeat, it never suggested anything bad about Shinola, but was a cultural statement about dumbasses who couldn't see the obvious.

I really hate engaging with crazy people but I have to here. Shinola doesnt MAKE shit! They assemble watches, they assemble bikes, and they rebrand everything else because its made by other companies. The bikes, not made by them, welded by Waterford. Shinola is an excellent design and marketing company, but thats it. I would rather buy things from companies that dont incur those expenses. I can find things I enjoy and need myself with the internet, I dont need hundreds of ads in magazines and popping up on every website to tell me its a great watch made in Detroit, its not.