Yeah as I say space really opened up after kithomer accords. And these would be everywhere.

Yeah very rough and rugged like a 4x4

Yeah very rough and rugged.

Doesn't look fragile like most starfleet ships (I have never liked the thin design nacelle or neck of most Fed ships) and rumour is it doesn't have exploding rocks in the consoles.

@@seanfarrell6386 no rocks that's quite interesting but I do like the nacelle & neck design of most federation Starships

@@venomgeekmedia9886 indeed

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Looking at the deck plans the condor had a similar sized interior. Just more cramped. less wasted space.

Yes, usually rated at 60 to 68 metres long on charts, although it looked smaller in 'Preemptive Strike'... Civilian version supposedly called Ju'day-class, per Voyager backstage info.

yeah that is certainly another application but you'd probably use a larger cargo ship for that. basically serving as a mobile supply base.

Nerd

Yeah. Interesting how they modeled themselves on French revolutionaries. Tells you a lot about them.

Magnetic propulsion, basically.

Definitely I'll be doing a detailed look at how the various weapons work.

Someone lights its ass like a firework lol.. think they use electromagnetic propulsion for them

@@davygould7721 I suspect that a torpedo launcher is like some kind of magnetic railgun that launches the torpedo; this is what I see from Star Trek VI. Then in I think the DS9 Technical Manuel says that all Torpedoes' have some kind of warp booster or something like that.

@@davygould7721 like launching an ICBM with a cigarette lighter.

Probably the same

yeah and if your under 30 fair enough, your a dumb kid. but by 30 your should either know... or someone told you

Interesting. But the condor couldn't fit in a constellation

We know they were probably around in the 2330s, meanwhile, as B'elanna indicates the engines were about that old (in the Voyager pilot)

Definitely. "Son do you know how fast you were going?" Of course irl outside of ports and harbours you can go as fast as you like on the water.

Yeah I take those schematics with a pinch of salt. Because there isn't space for them there.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Which would bring up the question, how much space do torpedo launchers take? Sure, the Enterprise-D (at launch) had a 30 meter launch tube- are we presuming that: 1) That is the minimum length for a launch tube for standard (2.1 meter) torpedoes? 2) That launcher tech hasn't advanced in some way, shrinking the necessary length of the tube? 3) Are all (Federation) torpedoes the same 'caliber'? (Not talking about the runabouts Microtorpedoes, which were like 13-ish centimeters- but could there be 1.5 meter torps, 1.2 meter torps- which, presumably, would reduce necessary tube length) Admittedly, I think the biggest problem wouldn't be the launch tube but the carrying capacity... probably didn't have much space for a bunch of torps. And let's be honest, inconsistency in Star Trek- INCONCEIVABLE, I know. But I think it could work out that the Peregrine would have torpedo launchers (likely at a smaller caliber than a capital ship). Its explicitly an attack fighter- you'd think they'd want it to get as much done as it could.

I agree the condor is definitely a gunboat not a fighter. A comparison would be interesting. Might do that.

If you are using WW2 as an analogy, it could be considered a heaven fighter like the Messerschmitt BF 110, the Westland Whirlwind, the Fokker G.1B, the Lockeed P38, or the Breguet Bre.693.

Also look at the F4 Phantom. It's a fighter that's about the same size as a school bus.

@@rmcdudmk212 Or the MIG 25 yeah

@@rmcdudmk212 Things can be different when you need a warp reactor, onboard torpedo tubes and other amenities, of course. But yes, by most definitions, this ship would be a gunboat more than a fighter. About two decks high also, and even maybe with a tiny 'shuttlepod bay' according to some novels (Badlands duology, The Brave and the Bold book 2, etc)

Yeah it was given to them by the klingons.

It does. The klingons gave the maquis cloaks in 2372

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I thought that was something Eddigton just made up, so he could get Sisko to help him rescue his wife

@@weldonwin possibly. might have had a grain of truth.

Otherwise why have a launcher. Should give you some advantage over those on their own power.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 perhaps a initial high velocity launch. A wing launched would have speed and acceleration penalties. A tube launched achieves instantaneous cruise to target.

@@MiiFone1 yeah bear in mind that speed is meaningless in space combat. rate of acceleration is the deciding factor.

What a "people's milita"...

Micro torpedoes are a pretty new technology. I doubt the maquis could get them.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I'm going by what's said on the Marquis Ship model kit....

@@cheedevulan8547 ok. nice.

60 meters so fully crewed your looking at maybe 15-30 crew

If I remember those early episodes of Voyager correctly I would say somewhere around twenty range as we got a couple of shots of the crew of the Val Jean seems to show somewhere over a dozen or so people which include Chakotay, B'Llanna, Tuvok, Seska, Sudor, and a couple other named Maquise personnel. That doesn't include the crewmembers who died during the transition to the Delta Quadrant.

@@robertdrexel2043 if I was Janeway I’d use the marquis crew members for all the very dangerous missions haha!

In numbers. But yeah.

i feel like sisko would just be waiting at the airlock with a baseball bat.

Damn that's pretty harsh...

Worse than the yeager? Worse than some of the JJ designs? Worse than the worse Fafsa designs?

Bulky and unrefined, yes. But actually quite a versatile low maintenance easy to operate ship.

@@SuperGamefreak18 I love fasa but yeah there are some big oooofffs

yeah a lot like the DC 3. did that get turned into a gunship in vietnam?

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah, Douglas AC-47 "Spooky"

Yes

Gunship. The maquis weren't in the habit of deploying troops

@@venomgeekmedia9886 So... It's literally a Condor Gunship!

@@aiosquadron from halo, i guess so. the only Condor i knew of was the Focker-Wulf

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yep! Halo. That's the joke. Dunno you do Halo tho, that's amazing.

sustainer engine. a torpedo can't accelerate to warp on its own.

Oh no :( Anyway! Let's no get bogged down with who's been massacred.

I mean it kinda is. But in a cool way.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 I didn't mean it in a bad way either. I just meant that the Marquie used what they had to make a attack ship to fight the cardies and what they came up with looks kinda like a Bird of Prey. A Kmart or Biglots version of the BoP. Hahahahha works but kinda off alittle.

Yeah that kinda started with the klingon BOP. Probert didn't go in for that but sternbach and eaves did...

That is harsh.

Isnt there a type called the yeager class where its a frankenstein mash up with the rear of this ship and the front part of an intrepid class. Now that is ugly.

It definitely isn't a kitbash. But it is a little rough around the edges.

Depends on the kind of missiles. Anti ship missiles are often sub-sonic and can be shot down whereas kinetic shells cannot. So there is the difference. The launcher serves to accelerate the torpedo to the target, minimising evasion time.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Um boss? I am a Former USA Artillery Radar Firefinding. I use to shot down incoming shells all day long. Its easiler to do cause the Shell cant evade like even the cheapest ASHM can. Not to mention you can shove a ECM system in the missile. The newer ones even have Flares and Chaff launchers, in addition to jammers and evasion protocals.

@@ericzaiz8358 who says they couldn't use micro torpedos like the Runabouts do?

fascinating. so you could take out a shell in flight? i know missiles have gotten better and there are supersonic attack missiles now. so are we better off using missiles over 'dumb' rounds even considering cost?

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yup, Look up C-RAM videos (Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar) or the Israeli Iron Dome Videos on KZfaq. You will find several videos of it happening. And the US Military has done several... Hundred Cost assentments on this cause Congress always gets sticker price shock. Basically it boils down to. Will you rather spend 10K on several dumb bombs to take out the target or spend one 8k smart bomb to do it? Simply more efficient just to yeet one and call it a day. Guided weapons are simple more effeicent. Today a F18 can take out 5 different targets if its set up right, barely 30 years back you need 4 F18s PER TARGET to do it. There is a reason why the US Military is trying its best to go to an all PGM force. We Got lords knows number of different missiles, as many guided bombs, the Army has 2 guided shells and even a new kit that allows the average grunt to turn a standard 155mm Arty shell into a guided one by screwing it in the fuse hole. Not to mention a guided weapon is safer for the pilot. You can stand off from the target, say a Galor at 10k Km, and fire the weapon and run away while the Galor panics shots at the torpedo and not you. Handy that. And far safer for the noncombatiats. You can ENSURE that the Bad Guys hold out gets deleted while the next door school they were using as an hostage does not get touch. Or during support of infantry*, you can put the bomb EXCALTY where you want it and not have to worry about something like wind blowing the thing onto your guys, which has happened ALOT with dumb weapons. Still does with smart cause of human error, but its far harder to do so far far rarer. But there is a few usage case for dumb weapons. Mainly in the type of F THAT ENTIRE AREA UP role of carpet bombing. So Yeah, smart weapons are well worth their cost. *Speaking of Inflanty. Are you going to bring up the Federation own clone army into play? The Arcturians? memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Arcturian

A creation of the nexus?

@@venomgeekmedia9886 , A fever dream of a man who actively hates real Star Trek. An invention of execs who want to squeeze an IP for every penny they can, even if it doesn't make sense. The show "Picard" doesn't exist. Jean-Luc Picard isn't an idiot, as portrayed in the show. 7 of 9 isn't a mass murderer, all her progress was not erased. Icheb and Hugh were not murdered for shockingly dumb reasons. And how do I know for sure? Do they ever put a retired captain in charge of an entire fleet? A fleet that is the only thing between the Federation and total war with the Romulans? Or, would this be more akin to a dream? Does it make any sense? Can you "Clone" Data from a single positronic neuron? Would this "Clone" have all of Data's memories? If so, what were the other neurons in his positronic brain for? What was their purpose? Why not just have one neuron if it can do everything a full brain can do? "Picard" was a dumb dream. Dreamt by greedy businessmen in the early 21st century. Nothing more.

Oh dear....