I cannot understand why the pastor on the left did not just fall on his knees and repent after hearing all this truth.

I am from Nigeria, and i know first hand how Nigerian pastors and men of God use tithes to enrich themselves

In nigeria today many pastor has private jet and build schools but their poor member who contributed for such schools building couldn't afford to pay the schools fee .

Thank you NOT ONE SINGLE THING TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH TODAY ON TITHING IS BIBLICAL THANK YOU SO MUCH IT IS WHAT MY HEART HAS TOLD ME FOR DECADES.

This was an excelleht debate. Br. Russell did an awesome job. He won on all points. Giving is between you and God. God loves a cheerful giver. He did not put a percentage on this in the new covenant. God's chosen people are not guided by the old testament laws / covenant but the new. Concerning the new covenant we are to give what God places in our hearts to give and give it cheerfully so that our sacrificial gift will be pleasing to God whatever the amount.

When you say “10%” you’re already into legalism. Christian Free-will giving doesn’t care about a fixed “10%”.

That presentation from the gentleman on the right ( white man) was very precise and in depth. I agree with him. Tithing was part of the law and we are not under the law. If you obey this part you should obey all.

I love you Russel.... Thanks for quoting and explaining the Bible with courage. Thanks for also laying emphasis on the church teaching soul winning and evangelism and how it makes the people of God give sacrificially to the advancement of God's kingdom. May God richly bless you Russel

I admit I didn't watch the debate because I already have the teaching. It's good to see that more and more people are waking up and are getting and receiving biblical teaching oon tithing. Some points I would like to make. 1. We are not required to tithe; this is not the same as saying, we are not required to give. We are required to give - cheerfully, not our of necessity, not grudgingly, and with a cheerful heart. 2. You should purpose in your heart what you will give. 3. Give to the poor saints (think about that one - orphans, widows, and whoever among you are poor). Give to the advancement of the Gospel and give to those who labour over you. 4. All giving is voluntary (see Point No. 1). Oh, did you say Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils to Melchizadek? Look again - it was not under obligation, but voluntarily. Question: Given that tithing is a major issue for Christians, why isn't tithing a major thesis in any bible seminary??? Answer: Because through careful study of God's Word, and proper application of hermenuetics, it would quickly be discovered that tithing is not a requirement in the New Testament Church and covenant. (Again, not saying we shouldn't give) Finally - Ask God about your giving and ensure that mamon is not your God. Oh yes, prepare to be led by the Holy Spirit. Bless you all.

that woman who poured perfume gave on free will. she followed her heart. It was free will offering and not forced giving.

Excellent debate! Dr. Russell brought the word and broke that thang down!

Im so happy I found this video again. Thank God! I watched it 10 years ago and then couldn't find it again. Bless you all!

Why is this video not getting many views? Dr Kelly is doing God’s work.

Some churches put more emphasis on tithing than any other topics. It's shameful!

Mr Russel looks like honest brother & knowledgeable on God’s Word!!!😇

thank God we have Russell Earl Kelly.

Kelly has a clear understanding of scriptures. I wish more pastors did.

Jesus and the apostles never teach about tithing.

It is not our job to get anyone to a "sacrificial place of giving" as the pro-tither suggests. we are not God. The Bible clearly states, each individual is responsible for working our their own soul salvation. Why stress about it at all? God is peace, this is crazy. Mr. Kelly is on point. We are liberated!

The black guy is very charismatic..he’s faith is the faith movement

Great!! Biblically sound argument from Dr Russell. It takes courage to debunk such practices that are held above criticism "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good" 1Thess 5:21

why does the preacher always have food and the sheep are hungry

Im a giver in all areas without tithing and GOD gives in return always

When i saw proof THEY HAD MONEY IN GENESIS!!! the debate was over for me! hahaha GENESIS 47:14 Tithing is not scriptural pastor!

tithing was FOOD not Money!

Russell Earl Kelly is spot on tithing to pastors. Yahweh loves a shearful giving heart . Yes we can give to our churches to support its wrk but it has to be what each one of us can afford or what one is willing to give. Tithing was for the levitical priesthood, the poor, the widow and the orphans. Levitical priesthood is no more it was done away by Yahshua. Pastors of today are not of levitical priesthood. How can the pastors of today demand that we must pay tithes to them. That's first class form of robbery without violence. Russel Kelly is right.

Its hard for pastors who have believed in the tithe doctrine to change their thinking if they themselves have been taught it as a principle. So when they get their own church to oversee they are faced with a dilemma; if they don't keep preaching the tithe then the funds will diminish, but if they teach that you don't 'have' to tithe then the peoples faith can be affected and it can result in a church split and great confusion amongst that congregation. That is why pastors take the easy option and just keep saying the tithe thing - everyone is happy, the money is coming in and everyone feels like they are doing the right thing. The truth is there is no tithing for the Christian believer!

Im in the side and i believe of brother russel he is telling what is clearly about we do not need to tithes anymore we must Give cheerfully and according to our heart says

It is interesting how many pastors condemn the commandments from the old testament except for tithings. If we are to keep up tithings then they should realize that the apostles were keeping the law even after Christ died.

I can't recommend highly enough the book by Russell Earl Kelly entitled: *"Should the Church Teach Tithing."* An absolutely outstanding book covering all aspects of Old and New Testament tithing and giving principles.

This “preacher” said the word principle so many times that I never want to hear it again. Everything people want to take out of the Bible to justify for doing gets called a principle, because then (in their mind) it’s not intertwined with the law so it can’t be used to manipulate people.

Dr Russel is on point, never heard it like this. Powerful teaching from Dr Russel Earl Kelly I applaud you👏🏾

6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

This debate even though is 10 years old, was very good. In the words of R. L. Solberg, "Permitted, but not required!"

The black Preacher is so wrong that I CAN NOT hear anymore, what a pain!!

the Jews taught me the truth about tithing when I stop I was blessed more financially. The African pastor is using manipulation of scriptures and play on words

the black "pope guy" because i doubt he is a true christian is using the bible in such a twisted way is a total shame.

I feel that God wants us to let the Spirit of God to lead us in our giving.

Clear as Crystal! thank you for this wonderful explanation the truth shall set you free.

Russell Earl Kelly Told it like it is

Big thumbs up to brother Russel he explained it really well I agree with everything he explained, Tithing is strictly voluntary no where in the New Testament neither in the book of acts or any of the epistles did the apostles mandate tithing it was all voluntary freewill offerings, the other gentleman refers to Abraham, let’s remember Abraham gave 10% from the spoils of war which was strictly voluntary the Bible says Abraham gave from the spoils of war only once we cannot take scripture out of context to demand money from church members I was visiting a church on a Sunday in which the pastor from the pulpit called out a church member the pastor said he was robbing God because he didn’t tithe, the pastor said he was cursed the pastor then had that person thrown out of the church, does the behavior of this pastor pleases God? I immediately got up and ran out of that place because all they were interested is in the 10% of all your earnings! These pastors tell church goers that God will curse those who do not tithe that God will curse their children. Many won’t come to Christ because of these tithing mandates, They also celebrate the feast of the first fruits demanding your first salary of the year as a first fruit offering, celebrating old covenant feasts. The following is what the apostles taught in their meetings; they also helped out those in need. 2 Corinthians 9:7, ESV: Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Corinthians 9:7, KJV: Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. 1 Corinthians 16:1, KJV: Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 1 Corinthians 16:1, NASB: Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you are to do as well. James 1:27, NIV: Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. Acts 20:33 I have not coveted anyone’s silver or gold or clothing. 34You yourselves know that these hands of mine have supplied my own needs and the needs of my companions. 35In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’ ”.

Dr. Kelly nailed it. Awesome exergesis of Scripture with him.

I have the same questions for 3 years until the Holly Spirit brought discernment to my spirit on regards to this, ask the Holly spirit for guidance about it, read the word of God I promise you this you WILL definitely get your best answer there. God Bless you !

right or wrong! put it this way, without it, they cant live like rock stars :)

The principle is not tithing, giving of the spoils or produce of the land. The principle is giving to God. Giving generously with joy and free of compulsion as mentioned in 2 Corinthians 7:9. Proverbs 11:24 also sheds light on how giving should be - not stingily, not overly extending onesself but comfortably. Giving is not only about money but our time, every area of our being.

I find Dr Kelly's arguments more convincing than Rev Mike Kola Ewuosho.

2 Corinthians 9:7 As every man purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly or out of compulsion; for God loveth the cheerful giver. We, as the New Covenant Church, are to give free will offerings.

Pastor Russell Earl Kelly knows the bible..the other pastor Mike Kola from africa is preaching tithing because he wants to be sure money keeps flowing in his church..but he doesnt back his preaching up with scripture

Hebrews 7:18 says that the Levitical priesthood was cancelled so was their regulations. Tithing was included in that. Abraham tithed once, and Levi was in him; so it was a first and last tithed. Under the Old Testament men that died received tithes because they needed it to exist! But Melchizedek doesn't need to be continually tithed because Jesus lives forever

Dr Kelly made biblical proof. It’s hard to receive a person who has the word in front of his face, but allows pride to keep the tradition of men.

The words "tithe", "tithes" or "tithing" appear 40 times in the bible. Not once is the tithe ever money. Not once is the tithe ever on income (Jesus, a carpenter, and his disciples who were fishermen never paid tithes), and not once does it have anything to do with the church. There are four times as many scriptures in the New Testament on giving than there are on prayer, and so giving was an important part of early church living, as it should be today. But nowhere do we see the tithe as a principle of giving. We have to allow God to be the one to define what is the tithe, who pays it, who receives it, what is the storehouse. We cannot make up our own definition in order to support a man-made doctrine. This is what the tithe teachers have to do.

1. Tithing under Mosaic law never involved money, only produce and livestock (items of the land). 2. There's evidence that the book of Malachi was entirely directed at the Levitical Priesthood. As such, it didn't apply to all of Isreal and doesn't apply to anyone today since the Levitical Priesthood is gone. 3. The only other tithe mentioned in the bible is that of Abraham which was a one-time event, was off spoils of war, involved exchange (of wine and bread) and he gave all of the spoils away, not just 10% of it. 4. Tithing under Mosaic law was compulsory and cannot be considered "giving" or an "act of faith". It was an act of compliance with the statute(s) or ordinance at the time and was more of a tax. 5. Mosiac law is now obsolete, as is the system of the atonement of that time, according to the Christian faith of the new covenant. There is no biblical promise for a blessing for giving money to a church (or anywhere else) or a curse for not doing so. However, there's biblical evidence that money was given to the temple and for ministries. It just had nothing to do with the tithe. In my opinion Dr Kelly's position prevailed in this debate.

"Peter the apostle had no money, why didn't he tithe to get more money. Why didnt he (Paul) teach poor people to tithe so that the curse of being poor could be broken". This is a rather interesting point one commenter made.

Good scriptural statement, finally someone that uses the common sense that God gave them. The bible says to prove all things or test if you like, nevertheless people just always take the word of a man as gospel. The bible says that no one will have to teach us because the Holy Spirit will teach us.

Again, the Church is not a building or a name across the door, it's people, anywhere they are at.

Great debate.to God be all the glory.

incredibly amazing teaching by these phenomenon individuals I love it. I think more of these should be done continually and Pastor Mike Kola Ewousho I salute you for your obedience in faith and like you said the error in the teachings of tithing has made you think right and I love for that.

You have to remember neither are saying don't give, they're just differing on the manner of giving, it's a shame it has become such a contentious issue

Hello Thank you for this video

Mr.Russel did his homework. Great debate:-)

You must keep in mind, paul was from Benjamin. Which leaves to mean that he himself could not touch tithe according to the law. Jesus was outta Judah which moses spake nothing concerning the Altar( Hebrews 7:13). Who what when where and why are the questions that must be addressed!! I dont tithe. I give as the spirit leads. Ans some times I'm lead to spend it on me.

Since Tithings is Food, and not money, how then can we Deceive others or find some excuses to Mis-interpret scriptures so as to justify our Con Game? Use the illustration as if tithing as a "Principle", may do the trick of deception.????

Thanks so much for good debating, I learned that love is most important cause if tithing is law love cover it

R.I.P. brother Doug Harris

Woe to you teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites, you give a tenth of your spices mint dill and cummin, but you have neglected the more important matters of the law, justice ,mercy and faithfulness. matthew23-23. Tithing was never preached by Jesus,in 3 years, here he shows how unimportant it is.

It’s so funny when people argue “jesus didn’t condemn tithing”. Well of course not! He hadn’t died and been resurrected yet. He can’t preach against the old covenant while preaching for the old covenant. Lol he hadn’t fulfilled the law so he couldn’t say anything against it. People also don’t understand that the Matthew 1:1 is not the start of the new covenant. New Testament and new covenant are different things.

we as the body are in need of healing just from our ordinary lives and it's this very subject that clarified to me how much more I need to be healed. a wrong perception,being a product of our environments is detramint to the believer.

The question on whether or not tithing is required is settled. Hebrews 7:5 &12 says this: "'And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham; For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law." Now, even further, here is what the New testament says on what she ARE to do. 1 Corinthians 16:1-3 says "'Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem." Now, who in your churches are sending them to Jerusalem? I bet nobody is. 2 Corinthians (:6-9 says "'But this I say: He who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work. As it is written: “He has dispersed abroad, He has given to the poor; His righteousness endures forever." This gives us the blueprint of how we are to give today. there's no requirement to tithe.

i was a disciplined tither, but after knowing what he is talking about in his argument i do agree and have repented of thinking it was a command from Christ to tithe or else. when Christ never gave such orders nor did His Apostles. they had every opportune to do so but didn't but only said to give what you could and from the heart. and by Giving to God we give to each other and outsiders.

Dr Russell Kelly overwhelmed the black pastor with his knowledge of the subject on tithing. Tithe teachers do not really have any weaponry to refute what God's Word says about the matter.

My former Church here in the Philippines teached that aside from tithe you have to also give offering. Tithe is compulsary 10% but for offering you decided the amount but mostly they expect for you to also give atleast 10%. I am thankful to God that I manage to get far away from them since they guilt trip you if you are not giving. They monitor your giving thru envelope with your name on it. Since I gave without putting the money in the red envelope, I got called out for by the Pastor saying I am not giving tithe and offering. And the woman pastor also said I am immature on my faith bec. I did not tithe. I didnt argue that I dont put my money on envelope but just put in on the basket barehandedly. I let God decide if I gave based on his desire and not the Pastor.

If I am a son of Abraham's Paul say in Galatians, then I, like Levi, have already paid my tithes while in Abraham's loins.

I also believed that everything on this word and everything I posses has been giving to me by him, he is the rightful owner of all and its not a 10% of "my monies I give, but is more to me a 10% back to his cause of ALL he has shower me with, love, peace, happiness, faith,sense of purpose and direction, a heart free of envy, anxiety, depression, oppression, my healthy and great children, the comfort of my place, food, clothes, car, I see my self very fortunate thanks to his mercy and love!

Guilt for not keeping a law we aren't supposed to keep 😢. Jesus became the Curse for us ~Galatians 3. You can't keep the other 600+ laws either. Give your best gift 2 Corinthians 9.

It sounds like all those who got rich, and all those who want to get rich, adhere to the idea and manipulative twistings of tithing... I'm African, I'm not rich, I'm not poor though I have no money or assets. If you want to tithe, you have to keep the entire Mosaic covenant, and good luck with that - you fail - that is why Jesus sacrificed himself, because we cannot. My Nigerian brother's arguments hold no ground. I whole-heartedly agree and understand that if you can give 50 or more, whatever, you should... Not necessarily to your pastor or church though...

African Brother is a typical RHEMA WOF Prosperity shyster. He spends his whole time with conjecture, speculation and presumption. I love how the moderator keeps busting his bubble when he tries to turn the debate into a sermon.

Only someone who has closed their mind to common sense could believe in the modern day tithe after hearing Kelly. Give with your heart. The law is dead thank you Lord! God's word tells us Christ has redeemed us and broken the chains of the law. My church like most preach the tithe. As Christians we need to stop listening to preachers on this subject if they are wrong!

I realize that it is fear, that is why people fear tithes......the black woman and white man spoke the truth about spiritual discipline and it really spoke into my heart...Thank you to those people.....I am a supernatural being and should not look to the natural, I should look to the spiritual.

This should be called faith giving, not tithing. If we want to tithe, then we have to teach/know and follow the whole law on tithing.

I believe tithe teaching is another reason why the 'corporate' continues to decline. The current corporation church is no where to be found in scripture.

Be real!!! Most churches don't take care of the widows. The preachers and other leaders of the church get that money!!!!!

The sacrifice CHRIST made on the cross is not about law or principles. It's about the hearing of the voice of God in HIMSELF and by nature purely giving his all to conscientize us all to look , listen and feel in our hearts, mind and soul to respond to the GREATEST ACT OF LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND SPIRITUAL ENLITENEMENT IN THE LIFE HE HAS GIVEN US. This is LOVE that is given FREELY and WILLFULLY from the heart and devoid of LAW and PRINCIPLES !!!!!

One important point, addressing the Levites is, that hey were residing all over Israel, sometimes making it difficult for them to, far away , come to the Temple. And GOD agreed that they were allowed to sell there offering for money and buy food for themselves. And GOD BLESSED THEIR FOOD and they ATE before THE LORD. HalleluYah Amen. Glory be to God. 🙏🏿🔥❤️

Why do Pastor's keep accumulating tithe without spending for the food and shelter of poor people

2 Corinthians 9:7 (New International Version): Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. Why don't Pastors use the above scripture to teach on giving? Why do they use the Malachi scripture about robbing God and thereby impose guilt and condemnation. I have never heard a pastor teach a comprehensive teaching on the true nature of tithing and the old priesthood. I conclude that the organized church system and seminaries use tithing to control believers and have a vested financial motivation to keep most Christians ignorant.

HALLELUJAH...THANK YOU BROTHER RUSSELL... FOREVERMORE AMEN....WITHOUT TITHING THIS FALCE PASTORS ... WOULD NOT BE IN MINISTRY ANY LONGER.

The thing that troubles me is that the people that promote tithing can't just admit that they do it out of the personal preference and it has no biblical basis under the new covenant

What in Gods green earth is a "money seed" ?How do you plant and water money seeds?We know how long it takes to grow a mustard seed but how long does a money seed take?

Dude on left at about 12:00.."Paul was never broke". Guess he never read this: "Philippians 4:12: “I know both HOW TO BE ABASED, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full AND TO BE HUNGRY, both to abound AND TO SUFFER NEED.” See also: 2 Corinthians 11:27

I have learnt that ‘you have to manipulate the scriptures in such a way, as to extract a particular Old Testament principle, converted it from what it was intended to be into something that it never was, and then superimpose it in a place it was never supposed to be.

Great debate! Im a non tither but they both have good and strong arguments.

We are in Grace Age ..❤️.. and we are not under a law!

lot of making stuff up from this black guy...he's not using scripture to make his point...he tried to say tithing is not part of the law...anything god ever commands or says to do/not do is part of the law, doesn't matter what it is...anything not of faith is sin...faith is trusting Christ and his finished work for salvation.

Tithing is not a substitute for poor money management!!!!! Living on a budget is key for ANY one.

Rev.Mike was absolutely correct explaing his knowledge sbout tirhing!! Its a matter of faith and honoring God what we have.we give 10 percent we get the 90 perceny...

Tithing is like throwing money in a river and waiting for it to come back around!

its satanic to teach tithing...its sin to teach it... Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith Rom_14:23 for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

God causes it to rain on the just and unjust alike, and the sun to shine on the just and unjust alike." We should not expect something because of anything we do, otherwise we could boast about our works. When we are blessed, it is by the grace and mercy of our God. -Matthew 5 Every person should decide in his own heart how much he should give. I believe givers should seek the opportunity to build their relationship with the Holy Spirit in listening to Him regarding how much they should give. If God puts 10% on your heart, give 10%. If God puts 90% on your heart, give 90%. Remember the people in the Old Testament were not yet indwelt with the Holy Spirit, so they NEEDED an external source, a law, that showed them how much to give. God bless all of His servants in Christ!

When we are saved the Holt Spirit is dwelling in Us. it guides us, it teaches us

I was a "tither" for years. I still believe in giving, but I do not believe God sets a standard for all to give a tithe. One lady in the audience called tithing a spiritual discipline, etc. The problem with this outlook is that the focus is on you and me, and not on the Lord. Once again, we should give, absolutely, but to put the bondage of O.T. living and giving, just is not a good thing. If this be the case, then the ministers today should not own homes, etc. as the Levites in the O.T. could not own property. See we can't be picking and choosing scripture to appease our "modern" gospel. Please give, and give according to what is in your heart as this is what will please God. Do pray if you don't know what to give because His Holy Spirit will guide you. But as far as the teaching of the tithe, anyone who practices tithing because they are ignorant of truth, I believe God has patience with these people as they probably (or hopefully) are giving out of a sincere heart. I can only say that hopefully they are giving to ministers who are teaching sound doctrine and teaching that "godliness with contentment is great gain." I Timothy 6:6