I was not a very good shot with my previous o/u, game shooting gun I was average, however I decided to take up clay shooting so purchased a second hand mk38 trap that had had comb riser fitted and bored out for a set of tegue chokes which I now shoot half/half the result is a transformation in my shooting and more enjoyment all round. My previous gun was a very light Italian gun which I could throw all over the sky and stop my swing, however the mk38 soon put a stop to that and my shooting became more consistent.

You said "You can bore the chokes out and a lot of people like to shoot full and full". Considering that the Mk38 trap comes as 3/4 and full as standard then you will have a job turning it into full and full - unless you have it multichoked.

MK38 G5 30" is my gun for all purposes. Interestingly, it is labelled as a 'Sporter/Sporting' but it has the beavertail fore-end, Teague multichoke and it is slightly higher in the comb - not full trap or full sporting geometry. This is how it came from the factory and you see them every now and then in shops and online etc (made in 2017). It shoots more like a trap gun. The weight controls the swing on the clays and the G5 wood and engraving looks good on the peg during game season. I did have a Browning 525 sporter for a while, but I couldn't get used to shooting things flatter with the lower comb - it made my shooting become very inconsistent. I mount the gun as I see the target and I find with a trap gun, you can get away with an imperfect mount 8/10 times. With the sporter, I found you have to have your mount fully dialled and you need to be properly hunkered down into the gun. Otherwise, you're missing over the top. I'm a larger-built chap so I don't notice the weight and the chunkier style of a trap gun fits me well off the shelf - especially Miroku. Sporters tend to be slimmer so slighter more average-build guys prefer a sporter. Interestingly I have a 20-bore sporter in the cabinet and that shoots totally different again! Humans are unique and finding the gun to match is even more so! A very good video and hits the key differences on the nose.

I shoot a trap gun fixed choke at everything. Change the butt pad for a sporting one and away you go. All this rubbish about chokes - Just shoot and forget. It's in the head!!!! PS My sporter stays in the cabinet

Great . I like a trap gun mk38 g5 adj 32" for sporting because I like to float the target which means you see the target above the bead

I shoot a browning CX for trap skeet and five stand hello from Amarillo Texas

Mk 38 trap take to gunsmith alter stock to make it shoot flat then have it tegue choked. Perfection

I shoot a Browning Citori CXT which is a trap gun, similar to the mk 38. The reason is less recoil and I am used to a higher POI.

I use my 50 year old Ithaca Model 700 trap all the time for shooting sporting clays, great 👍 fun

The best round of sporting I ever shot was with a trap gun. I took a lot of heat hearing comments like I was shooting a stove pipe. It was a Remington 1100 Classic Trap.

You can shoot anything for any discpline, gun fit, mount and swing, practice til perfect is the recipe, not what the gun says, i know guys with very old sxs who never miss, and guys with 20k krieghoff/perazzi whi can't hit a barn door, i myself use 1970s mirokus and can hold my own in any discipline

Dave hello , I'm a big fan of the beaver tail not the tappered forearm. Thanks for your tutorials

Great video. Love both guns, but will always go with the trap gun, for me.

I love my MK38 Trap. I shoot clays only as a hobby and not too bad average 75-85 plus a B725 of which I love also. I enjoy shooting both guns but must say (Don't let the 725 hear this) I really Love the fuller feel of the trap fore end on the MK38. I have tried Barretta but not a fan of the slender pistol grip. Any ho, good luck to all out there guns are like individuals, we are all different...

And with the higher comb and longer LOP, you can custom fit it relatively easy

I shoot all disciplines with a Beretta 682 X trap and I love it.

great video! I shot my Browning citori cxt today for sporting and I have not decided if I like better than my game gun for sporting. "extra weight makes me feeI slow to a disadvantage" also used a pattern plate to see actual point of impact. For me it was closer to 50/50 than 70/30 as advertised. (thank goodness)

Thanks for a great video I bought a new mk38 trap multichoked for DTL But I’m going to shoot sporting as well wanted expert advice what chokes would you recommend For sporting I use 3/4 full for DTL

Great video, very good info..

I picked up a Browning 725 skeet for sporting clays and I love it except for the finish of the wood. For some reason, i get white marks in certain places. I believe they are light nicks. If this is true why would they put a finish like that?

I'm in the market for a nice o/u and I like the mk38, would you use it for game? Ideally I want to do a little of clays, bit of pigeon and general game birds on my beating days

Back in the day, AJ (Smoker) Smith did okay with his Winchester full/full gun. If you point it in the right place the clay will break. Multi chokes just make it a little easier.

I am from the US and shoot a high rib and high comb Browning 725. Its had a lot of rounds through it but man does it break the targets good.

I have a 525 inv + 30" sporter. am I able to buy a trap forend to replace the basic forend? If so at what cost?

Miroku shotguns are not available in the States for some draconian reasons I managed to snag a very used 2800 trap, spent a few dollars to get it running, and I now have a great gun under $1000 It can be done and is certainly worth the effort.

You were mustard with the trap gun, but I think the ideal solution, as has already been said, is to buy an MK38 trap gun and get a good gunsmith to convert the stock to a sporting configuration that fits you. Teague chokes, or let out to 1/2 and 1/4 and you have a great sporting gun that will never let you down. I have never liked Blasers and I now know I am not alone.

Dave , I’m 78 and have been shooting for some 65 years , 12 bores are just to heavy . Especially over 100 clays , I have been shooting Beretta 687 sporting, is there a better 20 bore

What about a sporting gun in trap?

Don’t most trap guns have a higher rib? I have been shooting trap for a short while and when looking to step up to a nicer gun, I hear mixed opinions about a high or low rib for trap? Any thoughts?

How was the Blaser choked? Thanks.

When shooting gets so specialized, especially with shotguns, there's less fun in it and more snobbery.

David, I am a rough shooter (very rough) also a rifle shooter. Most of my shotgun work is on pigeon etc & I use a side by side Aya. However, I want to get back into a decent o/u with a bit of weight to it and am looking at a MK38 32" trap gun with extended teague chokes..... (yes I know) not exactly a pigeon gun but the question is - would I be handicapping myself too much if I bought one? Its a great price and good condition. I had a Betinsolli multi years ago and was the worst gun I ever had, didnt even shoot straight.. put me off o/u's for years.

I do use a trap gun for skeet, I dont shoot sporting. I do shoot what we call, great circle. that is the clay thrower is in the centre of a circle and positions are at 10 yard intervals and 40 yard from the thrower. 360 Degrees. The clay speed is approximately 70 to 80 mph..doubles are 3 secs apart. The circle is great fun. the angle of departure can also be changed. All my guns have Adjustable stocks. I could lower the stock but I dont. I know where all my guns shoot. instead of putting the clay on the bead, as in trap, 60-40, I lower the barrel approx 12" under the clay. I use an mx2000 Perazzi, Ceaser Guerini vii Invictus, and a HRT Miroku. I favour the Invictus. I shoot mainly DTL and Olympic Trap.

Thank you again David.

A twist on the question of shooting trap guns at sporting - I’ve been shooting sporting and trap for nearly two years with a Benelli Rafaello Supersport Performance Shop 12 gauge. My favorite choke is the Briley Light Modified, which shoots a very consistent 60/40 pattern. I’ve plateaued at 70-75 or in sporting so decided to go for the Browning 725 Sporter to have a properly fitted gun and hopefully gain a few more targets. OTOH, the Benelli with Briley LM choke has been a can’t-miss setup for trap and elevated wobble contests. Things look promising so far with the Browning for sporting but I can’t hit diddly squat with it on the trap field, so it looks like I’ll be picking up hulls from the Benelli semi for a while longer in trap contests. But hey, if the name of the game is broken targets then I should stick with what’s getting results, right?

Hello! I have Fabarm SDASS pump shotgun with barrel length 51cm. Is it possible to use it for skeet?

What would the Mk38 trap be like for pheasant and game?

Your videos are very informative. Do you have any vids using a yildiz sxs .410 with a turkey choke for trap? I have three of the yildiz....410 sxs...20 bore over/ under....and 12 gauge sporter steel receiver.....Thank you P.S. ..my main trap gun is a Browning Bt-99 with adjustable comb and a Graco gracoil with a kick-ezz

I shoot a Fabarm Elos Trap 30" multi choke, non adjustable comb stock on sporting and as a game gun, has matt black barrels and action. Love it great gun, safe to shoot this rubbish steel shot we have to use through it.

I shoot mk3800 trap at sporting 32" barrels and sporting butt pad Fixed choke bored to 1/2 and 1/2

I shoot a old Winchester 8500 trap for sporting nice gun

I shoot one for sporting clays . Because it’s all I have right now. What would you suggest for my purchase to sporting clays

Always use a skeet gun!

Bună ziua cît costă o armă brownig 525 la mâna a doua și cum pot intra in posesia ei?

Trap gun is better for the actual shooting, you just have to get accustomed to lugging the extra weight around the whole course. 🙂

Y not have one gun to do the lot farmer’s gun as if .we all have a gun we go to?i don’t have rabbits bashing gun and then pigeon gun I use same gun on clays aya side by side

Just wondered what benefits there is with a step up or adjustable rib and why people use them

That is cool

If it sits over the rib it shoots high , trap gun

Great vid mate! Personally I use a Zoli Kronos w TSK stock. 76cm barrel Might be more a Trap gun than a Sporting gun? But it works fine for me competing in both

My lad is 10 uses a kofs game twenty bore it's everything 😂😂

hello iam an indian trap shooter and i am looking forward to import my first trap gun so please tell me the best trap gun that i can import under 4000 euro

Comparing MK38 Trap vs Sporter would have been much more useful rather than comparing to a totally different gun. If you want tight chokes like 3/4 or full then you do not need to bore them out as that is what they come out of the factory with! If you want more open chokes that is when you would have them bored out!

I shot everything with a Trap gun. Skeet, Parcours Trap. Only Trap gun from Miroku ❤

I shoot a trap at sport - because i got a good offer ;)

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Good video and worthwhile breakdown of the differences. Not sure that watching you shoot 20 clays adds anything. I normally f/f that bit

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Why compare 2 totally different guns when you could’ve compared a trap v sporter MK38?

Should you shoot a sporting gun at trap.

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