People read too many shooting magazines, blogs etc and believe the marketing hype - "you have to have the latest superdooper gun with carbon-fibre everything and a shock absorber in the stock, extended chokes at a £100 each" Rather than buying a reasonable quality gun, new or second hand, that fits them and spending the rest of their money on cartridges and having fun !

SGC has been approved, will be down to botley within the next few weeks when it arrives to pick up my first gun

“Suckle.... I’m a biter” Possibly the greatest repartee of TGS thus far, love it!

Great vid. Ive always said chokes are in your mind to a degree. Lovely old 800 miroku. I have the trap version. They have a very distinctive sound when you close them.

Good vid. I have a first-year edition 12 ga. Rem. 11-48 that sports on of those "De-Lux" vented Poly-Chokes. The thing is in really good shape and shoots well. Important thing to remember on those is to keep the recoil spring well-lubed.

Whats the old skeet gun used is it a miroku 800. They all look similar the old nikkos and mirokus

Great video, a shotkam would be perfect to go along with videos like these. Might even give novices like me some subtle tips!

What were the two guns used? Could you do a comparison/differences apart from chokes.

Ammunition type can make a noticeable difference in how a gun patterns. Knowing how various ammo patterns in your gun can be very useful, especially if you have to use a choke that is not ideal for the application.

Can u make a video on the effect of eye dominant on shooting? And on one eye shooting or two eyes opened shooting? Thank you

I honestly think theres a lot of ponce in shooting around the gun, ultimately a shotgun is a very simple device with two barrels, in terms of function theres near no difference between a cheap & expensive gun.

learning your gun is the key.

Skeet's always been hopeless every time I've visited there, just so windy!

Cheers mate, great vid as always!

Interesting video with a very good looking clay ground. 💥💥

love the landscape.

Great video. Love to see trap gun versus field gun.

My club! Great video guys wish I had been there!

A shooting journalist friend of mine once gave me some after-market chokes for my Beretta, IC & Skeet, so I patterned them with every make of cartridge that I could find. The differences in patterning of the different makes of cartridge were huge, with some fibre wads being equally (and surprisingly) as tight as plastic wads. There is much sense in what you both say. Very enjoyable film only let down by barely being able to see the clays break.

It would be nice if you guys had a Shotcam ... I can't really tell when one is being hit or missed.

I used to shoot with a guy in the 80s game shooting Norfolk and north Wales he used a Winchester 101 skeet gun and Winchester winner 8s at everything he was a bloody good shot and he could hold his own with anyone. I took my lad to Dumfries about 9 years ago game shooting he had a beretta 680 skeet gun he was 13 we drew a peg next to a conservationist 😉 my lad was folding pheasants up behind him using black gold 7's he even got the shot of the day on a partridge.What does he shoot now ? mk38 sporterised trap gun, wish I had never sold that beretta tho it was a great all round gun.

My Greener GP is bloody hilarious when it comes to clays. My daughters 20 bore semi-auto is good fun too. I don't care if I miss a few; it's all a good mickey taking laugh!!

“If you are on it, you are on it” Wise words. Really liked this video guys. I’m a biter btw lol. Good shooting and I like the range rashings given out lol End of the day just getting out and shooting your tool is %99 of it. Cheers !!

A trap gun is less useful. Ive shot 25 straight in trap and skeet with 24",26", 28" and 30" barrels. The better your technique the more a long barrel becomes cumbersome. 24" is just too short too shoot well with consistently. 28" and up just takes more time to get on target and or switch targets vs 26". The longer barrel does make the follow through after the shot a little easier. The more practice you get the less that mattress. 28" is great when learning to shoot. These days I use a 26" Benelli. My opinion is based on bird hunting. Things may be different if you interest is serious clay shooting.

A buddy of mine just bought an electric thrower that runs off his truck battery. I brought my 8.5” single and my brother-in-law brought his 18.5” tactical-cool double and my buddy brought his 3 shot 16” pump. We all laughed our fool heads off and stole each other’s clays. Way more fun then a stuffy right gun for right sport nonsense. Don’t get me wrong proper shooting is super fun too but I’ve never had so much fun as that day. I’m really excited about my next trip up north to the farm to do it all again.

For all the shooting vids you all make, pony up for the clays that show up on video.

I am using a Browning Citori for hunting as well as skeet and trap. If I don't hit while hunting it is usually my own fault. Same with skeet and trap, but there I usually hit 27-30 out of 30. I can't even tell you which chokes I use in the top or bottom barrel. Have never changed them. Comes all down to practice I guess

What size shot were you using?

Nice club 😎What length barrels were in these two guns ?

Johnny, could you say how effective it is to use a shotgun with a 71cm barrel for sporting?

2:39 Im not gonna go on to my knees... cuz Im not being paid 50 quid for it. 🤣😂

Hahahaha. Suckel..... I’m a biter... As always great video. I shoot skeet and trap with a 30”S/S so yea for sure you can use any gun on any range. It all about enjoying yourself!

Cheers Mate!

So I’m still learning to shoot shotguns and most of the guys at the trap club have a different gun for each discipline. Well I’ve only shot Trap two months with my 725 Sporting and I’m averaging 22-24, and my 11yr old using the same gun is 17-20 ( which the gun is to big for him, but he likes it ). So while I “want” a few different guns for the different shotgun sports, I don’t think it’s necessary unless a person was completing in major events. I need to find a O/U for boy so I can get my gun back and we can shoot together at the same time.

I was just curious how common Remington, Winchester, or Ruger shotguns were on that side of the pond. While trap,skeet, & sporting clays remain popular here in America they don't have the levels of participation they had 50 years ago.

Whether it’s Skeet or Trap a smooth swinging gun, crisp triggers and correct patterns is the gun that will give you an edge. These guns more often than not are very expensive. The other determining factor is quality. A serious Trap or Skeet shooter will put 6000 rounds of practice and another 5000 rounds of tournament rounds through their gun. Cheaper guns cannot and will not withstand this punishment.

Cool.

Gentlemen, What were you shooting? What did / do they cost?cheers

Blimey, we got a name for a gun for every job. Anyone else remember when a gun was a gun?

It's been a long time since I shot skeet at a real field, God I miss it.

I've shot Skeet using full choke. Love the way it absolutely vaporizes the bird! Also shot Trap Doubles with my Citori Skeet. Both barrels choked "Skeet 1". Just got to get on them quick! Now I just use Modified for everything!!

I find it a bit amusing you were complaining about the wind while shooting Skeet, with a 12 gauge. Here in the States we call a windy day 410 weather. Because some of us will go out in a heavy wind and shoot 410. Actually my primary practice caliber is the 410. It's the least expensive caliber to reload, the recoil won't build a flinch, and it forces you to shoot with more precision. As a result when I step up to a larger caliber the hit rate goes up.

Try keeping your head on the gun and following through with your head down on the stock rather than snap shooting stopping and throwing the gun down off your shoulder. As far as trap vs skeet gun, use equal chokes in both guns and try again. Also refine your definition of a trap gun and a skeet gun. Vintage or historic? Modern variants of both for the top of the games are basically the same guns with different rib/poi adjustments. A vintage trap doubles gun makes a decent modern skeet gun once the choke issue is addressed though still falls short of the current top of the sport firearms. Bottom line If your POI is understood and your leads spot on with a 12 gauge the trap chokes won’t impact your skeet score. You just have to be spot on with your leads and elevation. Not to mention technique ala head on the stock and follow through.

Always known there is a lot of bull talked about chokes! Nice one John.

Shooting sporting with full choke is super badass.

Jon, what gun is that you're shooting?

mossberg 930 for clay allday for me

Trouble is with a Baikal it can be difficult to find the right place to point to hit the target !!!.🤣🤣🤣.

Why not just get a different set of chokes for each discipline that's what I do

In conclusion it is the shooter not the gun who is responsible for hitting the target. Training is key, the more you shoot the more you hit ;)

As they say around here, it's the Indian not the arrow!

can you make a podcast

Anyone can help me? Is it OK to shoot clay pigeons on Sunday or is the use of guns a flat out no no on a sunday? I can't seem to find much info on this other than its not ok to shoot game on a sunday

And that's why Mr Teague sold his business!

Why does every youtuber think they are Michael Bey.?

you didn't say what the difference is.

"Born at adequate height"..... Purely a subjective statement....... I prefer genetically superior as a tall person myself. ;)

I couldn't understand a word you guys said

You guys need a shot cam desperately be for you do any more filming

No usable information here !

Sorry Jon, don't need the music.

Why does the most of the videos show people using double barrel O/U or S/S in all these games? Why not use a semi-automatic or a pump gun? Most of the pumps or semi-auto are lighter than most double barrel guns but remove the plug and they hold several more shells. Most of the bird hunters I have ever talked to use a Rem 1100 or 870 most of the time (with plug left in the gun). Taking everything from Dove to Turkey I just don't see why restrict yourself to a double barrel. If they are better, what makes them better , please explain it. Don't just say they are better. Explain why they are better.

cant see the clays worth shit. would make it 100 times better if the clays were visible in these videos

Frustrating to watch. Camera guy, go to manual focus, zoom up a tiny bit and set the focal range to where the clays are flying. As viewers we came to see clays break and analyze the patterns as well as the shooters lead or lack of lead. Find a way to be raised and behind the shooters and they can be blurred in the foreground but the target's flight crystal clear. Thank you.

this could have been a better video

I can't understand sht they are saying

This was almost a good video but it’s too lame with the edits and the music. It reminds me of a reality tv show.

Never take advice on guns from a non American.

Useless, sorry.