Showdown - 2013 SRT Viper GTS vs. Modified 1997 Dodge Viper GTS

Showdown - 2013 SRT Viper GTS vs. Modified 1997 Dodge Viper GTS - CAR and DRIVER

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11 жыл бұрын

Contributing editor Basem Wasef takes to the racetrack to see how the 2013 SRT Viper GTS compares to a heavily modified 1997 Dodge Viper GTS on another episode of Car and Driver: Tested.
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@drill2.087 4 жыл бұрын

The Gen 2 doesn’t have any equal when it comes to looks though. Perfect from every angle.

@eduardonunez4377 4 жыл бұрын

AMEN.

@Boatfisherz1 3 жыл бұрын

Gen 1 and 2.

@jaydee6837 2 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTELY!

@CrazyDavy22 2 жыл бұрын

That’s funny, I think the 2nd generation is the worst looking.

@bi6921 2 жыл бұрын

well said, the Gen2 is my favorite as well. one of the rare instances where I wouldn't change a single thing looks wise. Just like the Mclaren F1.

@SSSSEYA 11 жыл бұрын

Thanks for all the kudos to those that still love the 97 GTS - we love her too! For anyone wondering why we'd pay to modify her, the mods were done over the course of the last decade and well before the Gen V was even a twinkle in SRT's eye. Thanks again to Dan Cragin at Specialty Performance Team and to Car & Driver for letting her show her stuff!

@vashsant 4 жыл бұрын

Nice build, definitely fun to build and test over time. Cheers.

@stephenhester7354 13 күн бұрын

Your car your choice - and you did a great job anyways!

@sharpemang 10 жыл бұрын

People need to stop calling the Viper a Muscle car. Muscle cars are suppose to be cheap big cars usually based on a sedan as a platform along with a big engine. The Viper, Corvette and Ford GT are not muscle cars. Just because it's American and fast doesn't make it a muscle car. Muscle cars are Challengers, Chargers, or Mustangs.

@sharpemang 9 жыл бұрын

Anthony Brymer The Camaro would be a pony car but not the Challenger. Challengers are not compact at all. Even the new Mustangs are't really considered to be "pony cars" anymore since they are getting so huge.

@joelseoane9844 9 жыл бұрын

you said sedan -.- original and traditional muscle cars are 2dr coupes that roar no matter wat! and yea low priced also! but tbh they are no way impressive! i love american cars..muscle but 8 ltr 460hp in 97 isnt impressive neither is 8 ltr v10 640hp in 2013! a 3.5 ltr (less then half) producing more then half amount of HP! and cheaper then muscle cars..IMPRESSIVE! 370z nismo, lexus isf sport, lexus lfa are just a few. they will beat this in straight but top speed..okkk bring out alpha 16 GTR m spec or audi r8 smaller engines more horsepower lower price..except the r8 lol but much worth it. so after all this id probably still go with a viper, charger hellcat and challenger hellcat believe it or not i would..the hellcat being man made..a production car..pretty impressive when mustang super snake is faster but not much and its just a machine

@sharpemang 9 жыл бұрын

Joel Seoane I see you're point. But I said usually "based" off a sedan platform. Not "a" sedan platform. One of the cars you mentioned are based on a sedan platform, hence it's weight problems, the Nissan 350Z and 370Z. So is the Audi TT if I remember correctly is based on the Volkswagen Jetta platform.

@Epotheros 9 жыл бұрын

Joel Seoane You are falling in to the HP/Liter trap which is a meaningless metric. A more important metric is the power to weight ratio of an engine. Though the Viper has a displacement of 8.4L, making 645 hp, it is still an OHV engine. Most super cars have DOHC engines which often gives them better HP/Liter ratio. The problem with DOHC engines though is that they are significantly larger and heavier than a OHV engine with the same displacement. Though a Viper's 8.4L V10 seems big, it's actually similar in volume and weight to a 4.0L to 5.0L DOHC V8. Another example is the old Corvette ZO6's 7.0L V8, that is also an OHV, and is physically smaller and lighter than the 3.5L V6 in a Toyota Camry.

@xishootstuffx 8 жыл бұрын

+Joel Seoane I still don't understand why everyone is obsessed with horsepower. There is much more to the story. Yes the Gen1 made "only" 400 HP, but it was also 465 ft/lb of torque at a very low RPM. So while the little 3.5 has to wind up to 6000 RPM to hit peak power, the V10 brings it right off idle. Between my turbo Lexus and the Viper - both producing roughly the same HP, and similar 1/4 mile times, the Viper is much more fun - at the expense of gas mileage. Not that I care...

@eldo59 10 жыл бұрын

I still want the 1996 GTS. Those stripes made it look soooo cool as a kid.

@costasmandylor7252 11 жыл бұрын

When you see the "old" viper it still looks magnificent.

@std882 Жыл бұрын

It's the best looking of all.

@albertoramirez5977 6 жыл бұрын

New one looks wayyyyyy to much like a corvette in the front, The old one is one of the most beautiful cars ever made!

@InTheZoneAXC 10 жыл бұрын

I wish they showed the laps. I'd like to see if it was more driver error with the GTS or if it was in fact "slower"...

@bliglum 11 жыл бұрын

I agree. I couldn't believe how much better the old viper looked than the new one in the thumbnail!

@ojdajuiceman6139 11 жыл бұрын

The new one looks more advanced and sleek. It is the ultimate definition of a Viper in 2013

@adamsjoberrg 10 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna own a 1st gen Viper one day! Looks so good, and are so brutal....

@MonteOlsen 11 жыл бұрын

Another great installment in the series. Thank you.

@schoolboy6633 3 жыл бұрын

I can understand how so many guys can say they love the Gen. II looks so better but when they made the Gen. V's they came back to look like the earlier Gen II's. I have Both & IF you ever drove a Gen. V you'd NEVER go back to a Gen. II

@joshlawrence4512 5 жыл бұрын

That 97 GTS if my favorite newer car... that thing is gorgeous and so fun to drive a second gen

@2007suprasport 8 жыл бұрын

Wow! 2 sec faster. ..impressive. I still would take the old one

@colereed1997 4 жыл бұрын

I want the old one I want to learn how to actually drive

@Spartansrule118 4 жыл бұрын

D. Alex Hutchinson why did you get rid of it?

@davidpineda645 4 жыл бұрын

Inwould take the old one, sell it get a e46 m3 and a 997 porsche 911, get a old land cruiser and a cool sports wagon

@MrClintz28 11 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid would love to see more old vs new comparisons like this.

@thisisfaka 4 жыл бұрын

The srt is great but that 1997 gts.. i fell in love with that one since day one ❤️❤️

@7THxSIGN 11 жыл бұрын

You just can't duplicate the raw driving experience the GEN II GTS produced. They didn't even go all out with the GEN II when it came to the lap around the track and yet it still managed to hold only a 2 second difference in lap time with the 2013 GTS. That imo deserves some respect. -99 GTS ACR owner

@V10ViperSRT 11 жыл бұрын

Great vid! It's nice to see some Viper love.

@aidencoker6719 11 жыл бұрын

I think I would take the new Viper over the 97' but I still love the older one though. There is always something awesome watching an older car romp on new ones though. My personal favorite viper to this day is the 2010 ACR. Just gorgeous.

@weejitwill 11 жыл бұрын

I love how Dodge had the best styling in 1996. They came out with a sport package that looked better than anything else at the time, way ahead of the competition, even while the corvette still looked like a box with corners. Within 4 years of the Viper being introduced, it had unique styling that hasnt needed a makeover.

@spazemonkey 11 жыл бұрын

love this old vs new comparison you guys should do the new stingray vs the old stingray

@ssoffshore5111 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Underground Racing TT 96 blue and white Viper GTS... Twin 78mm turbos and just about every mod you can imagine. It ran 7.76 @ 186 about a decade ago, with the 6sp and IRS. While I have retired it from track duty, it's still putting almost everything on the street to shame. These cars are timeless.

@cesarhidalgo23 11 жыл бұрын

Awesome video again, good job and thanks, although you should have had a drag race!!!

@vittershins5430 11 жыл бұрын

The cockpit noise when he was in the old one actually vibrated my desk, lol!

@ReV14VeR 11 жыл бұрын

The old viper's design was timeless.

@isoooalrock 5 жыл бұрын

Old one is the iconic viper we know

@iant720 10 жыл бұрын

I love the old one because many people cant't drive it, its to deadly, scary, and un tamed... I want it. Same problem with the newer Lambo's, to refined... I want a car that will try its hardest to kill me! I want to tame the beast!

@GETUPANDGO 6 жыл бұрын

Ha, agreed!

@edwinheredia3735 5 жыл бұрын

The TVR is for you then

@94jrose 11 жыл бұрын

Liked the video keep it up!

@wiibaron 10 жыл бұрын

That BLUE is the best color on the 2nd gens. The 1st gen was probably the RED. The 3rd gen was maybe BLACK with the silver stripes. The new one, to me looks best in WHITE...

@CadillaccJ 10 жыл бұрын

nah, that new matte grey color that just came out looks way better. (saw it in person at the LA autoshow)

@iant720 10 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Alerte Yeah saw the same Matte grey with Black Chrome rims at detroits, aww screw it I want Lime Green!

@MySaviorservant 10 жыл бұрын

gimme that orange on the srt10. oooooo

@TheDadFatha 11 жыл бұрын

I love to see these two race its beautiful.

@PunChris_92 9 жыл бұрын

1997 > 2013

@Humance 7 жыл бұрын

the old one looks much better!

@DiscoR53 11 жыл бұрын

Man I love the Streets of Willow Springs, fun track to drive.

@MechWarrior324 11 жыл бұрын

I agree, it will forever be a classic. (I love Shelby Cobras too! Haha) Another car that hasn't gotten old is the McLaren F1, which was discontinued in 1998, but looks like it could easily be a modern-day sports car, AND it performs better than most of today's cars as well.

@CO_EVO_8 11 жыл бұрын

i love both, but I've gotten to go for a ride in a stock 97 Viper GTS ans it was absolutely amazing.

@kylenorriszimmerman 11 жыл бұрын

dude, my uncle has one of those! it is freaking awsome!!

@XennialGuy 11 жыл бұрын

I own a 98' GTS and have seen the new one up close. It's a tough choice in person. But the curves of the old one can't be beat and the raw low end torque is still amazing, even in stock form.

@MechWarrior324 11 жыл бұрын

Wow! I didn't know it got that hot in New York! Haha It's about 95-100 around here in Arkansas, and it hasn't rained in days, so there are miles of dried up fields. :P I haven't driven my Mustang much since I just got it, and I've been working on it quite a bit. But I love that fact that it's a convertible, that it has custom red leather seats, and it has a 5.0 V8. :) I researched your Camaro by the way, and it looks equally awesome as well! :)

@kickwagon 11 жыл бұрын

Watching this video makes me want a '97 GTS even more.

@bradleytruesdll 11 жыл бұрын

I think this video is freakin awesome

@xjmg007 11 жыл бұрын

Can you please do something like for the 01-04 C5 Z06 Vs a new C6 Z06 please? I think it would be extremely interesting. The C5 Z06 is extremely affordable to the average gear head. Thanks and keep up the awesome work.

@thereglis 11 жыл бұрын

Love it or hate it. The new body style resembles the old. But on closer look every inch is brand new and imo looks great. Great job engineering and design team.

@filipsspil 11 жыл бұрын

it would be cool if they put the new vipers rear on the old one, love those lights on it :D

@jonienglish3231 3 жыл бұрын

what is LAP Time with NEW C8 Corvette ? or OLDER c7 Corvette Close or out of the BALL PARK ?

@matthewtrent2019 7 жыл бұрын

2nd gen vipers are the sexiest cars ever.

@g00dl00kinb0i 11 жыл бұрын

Haha, Viper is on my list too but it's pretty high up on it since childhood. I just started fulfilling the list with my first car on my list: '02 Camaro SS :) Still a long road to get the GTS or 512 Testarossa as I got couple more cars to go!

@xsboost25psi 11 жыл бұрын

This guy's a genius!! I was thinking of getting a bad ass car in the near future and adding some mods but I think I'll follow his line of reasoning and save my money for 16 years in anticipation of something faster and more advanced. Wait a second . . . I may just keep saving twice that long and wait 32 years for something EVEN BETTER!

@MrStlover99 11 жыл бұрын

16 years old and looks like a 2013. timeless beauty

@Aznfromtx 11 жыл бұрын

1:47 "curvy old guy" LOL

@FrenchValleyAirport 11 жыл бұрын

my god they're both amazing. i know every single one of you would take any one.

@abovetheclouds7699 10 жыл бұрын

Both awesome!

@COBHC8890 8 жыл бұрын

The GTSR sticker on the back threw me off! I was like ??? that's not a GTSR lol Id take a 2nd gen viper any day!!!

@pezzonovante888 7 жыл бұрын

The old ones (GTS and RT/10) are still by far the best looking imo. The new one is okay too though. And "only 450 horsepower"? In that car with no TC, SC, ABS, etc. that was and is a shitload of power.

@95blckfirebird1 11 жыл бұрын

OMG I love Car and Driver. Way better than MotorTrend! I wish I could be driven in the new SRT. This was an awesome video.

@mambaracing 10 жыл бұрын

Any color looks good on the Viper.... 100% BADASS!

@Patmclean232 4 жыл бұрын

I really hate what they’ve done with the nose on the new ones! The gen 1 was my fav! It was the perfect blend of modern super car, and old school roadster, loud mean race car influence that Carroll Shelby put into it. If you look at the old ac cobra next to the viper you can see where the roots come from!

@90sIbizaDanceParty 9 жыл бұрын

I love both, but you can't beat the 90's, grew up on the 90's vipers had all the model cars

@Pokemonguy16RS 11 жыл бұрын

whats up lui!! the real luimarco.

@InTheZone85 5 жыл бұрын

btw the top speed on this gen 2 is closer to 200 than 185, there's another vid here of a top speed test by a gts recently.

@Novafro 11 жыл бұрын

I recognize that. Which is why I made a different comment saying they should compare to the SRT-10 ACR since that car is very well balanced.

@adamrobledo3996 6 жыл бұрын

I would not change a thing on that GTS. Maybe stock wheels but those wheels fit that car well.

@xVIPER94x 11 жыл бұрын

It seems near impossible to find an original Dodge Viper GTS stock these days...

@IgnacioGarciaNJR 10 жыл бұрын

They are both beautiful

@xixstrik3xix 9 жыл бұрын

Man I love that car ever since I was 3 and I saw a blue 2001 GTS Viper in person. Such an awesome car and the greatest part is the 97 Viper is going for less than 50k now so getting one is a real possibility

@90sIbizaDanceParty 9 жыл бұрын

for me it was the '99

@xixstrik3xix 9 жыл бұрын

90sIbizaDanceParty yea I saw that viper when I was 4 grew on my from there

@IsiahHD 11 жыл бұрын

i LOVE the new Viper with racing stripes!

@dirk0389 11 жыл бұрын

It's the same block they used in the 1989 concept. 23 years ago that was a TON. Especially for being naturally aspirated.

@traindawg21 5 жыл бұрын

That 97 GTS-R still looks awesome

@g00dl00kinb0i 11 жыл бұрын

Funny, I used to work for Cablevision contractor and owned a 98 Astro cargo van, got nothing but parking tickets with that. Since I drive this Camaro even New York State Troopers don't pull me over when I'm speeding for some reason, I was expecting the opposite :)

@ravenphantom4248 10 жыл бұрын

My All Time Favorite Car Yall already know is the Dodge Viper GTS hands down the best Dam Sports Muscle Car in the World

@zero00-100 10 жыл бұрын

V10

@Stinger427NGX 11 жыл бұрын

16 years old. pretty damn good for its time

@willowsprings1192 9 жыл бұрын

Viper vs. Viper on our track? Forget snakes on a plane...

@runningmole 9 жыл бұрын

Such monsters on that puny little track.

@bryanpablo12 11 жыл бұрын

I love this review better that motor trend!

@rombierto 11 жыл бұрын

Which part is Elise?

@KpopNiDontStop 11 жыл бұрын

it would be a dream for me to own either.

@UluvDuddes 11 жыл бұрын

Is this at willowsprings?

@supercooled 11 жыл бұрын

That shift knob looks like the one on my G25 steering wheel.

@LLYoutube565 11 жыл бұрын

I love how he says, "97 is an old car."

@Mainiac1221 11 жыл бұрын

Ive been in a 900hp second gen viper, such an adrenalin rush

@37thorpe 11 жыл бұрын

There is a long road ahead of Dodge, I hope they listen to all the criticism and apply that to the next Viper. As long as they keep it up, I'm sure we'll see them in Grand-Am ripping it up with the ZR1 and GT500 (: good work Dodge. You made it new but not ridiculous! End of the day I say the new one, simply because it's a new beginning for a great car!

@MrEvilTag 10 жыл бұрын

You can pick up an older viper, mod the holy hell out of it, and run circles around a new viper with $100K to spare compared to the price of a new viper.

@ak_sprite 9 жыл бұрын

What??? The cheapest first generation viper I saw was going for 35k. How do you spare 100k when the viper isint even that expensive.

@MrEvilTag 9 жыл бұрын

Alik Kromin SRT vipers here are going for around $200K because dealer markups are insane. First and second gen vipers are only going for about $30K-$40K.

@ak_sprite 9 жыл бұрын

You can get them like on eBay for 90k.

@CallsignVega 9 жыл бұрын

Uh, this comparison was versus a well modded 2nd gen Viper and the new Viper still won handily.

@hesayad1055 9 жыл бұрын

you can literally do that with pretty much anything. dont compare modded and stock

@thybigballs 11 жыл бұрын

You got to drive both of these cars at their limits? I envy you. Btw, the Viper can hang with the best of them on a circuit. Hence, they're great at doing more than going straight.

@GIL37 11 жыл бұрын

Love the Vipers!!!

@m1ste2tea 11 жыл бұрын

god I love the 97 GTSr, such a good looking car

@ghe229 11 жыл бұрын

So... correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't that the standard 2013 Viper, and not the GTS?

@opivyh8su 10 жыл бұрын

pretty cool

@lim3lif3 11 жыл бұрын

Omg!!! It's beautiful!!!

@JaguarSoundBlaster 11 жыл бұрын

Those panel gaps.. oh gawd

@Twistead96 11 жыл бұрын

My favorite car has been the 1997 viper gts with the signature blue with white racing stripes

@kevinpazos9951 9 жыл бұрын

Man I remember when I was younger the viper randomly came out and it was the coolest thing ever cause it had the V10. I didn't know much about cars back then but I thought it was like the world's fastest car and that I'd never afford one. Now that I'm older and making a bit more money, getting a 98 or 2001 convertible viper is within my ball park. They're pretty cheap now. Some go for as low as 28,000 bucks. (Of course buy at your own risk a 28000 dollar viper) but still really cheap! (Which is a good thing) :)

@TheTexasViper 11 жыл бұрын

I love all the unrefined harshness of my customized Gen1

@77571981 10 жыл бұрын

Still like the old ones looks they just look goooooooood

@crotchrotgorewang 11 жыл бұрын

The narrator sounds like the boss on Office space... "Im gonna have to ask you to come in on saturday"

@lawrenceturlej4772 5 жыл бұрын

Should have done it with a gen 3/4 also. That would have been cool

@demongawl 11 жыл бұрын

I love American muscle! Got my '12 Mustang 5.0 which is a beast. After I get that paid off I want to pick up a Challenger SRT8 392, or really reach for either a '08 Z06, or a new StingRay(Sexiest car ever)

@g00dl00kinb0i 11 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, it does :[ Just this morning on the news they showed a reporter use a laser thermometer......in the shade the real temp. was 87*F, while in the sun yesterday's temperature was 114*F !!!!!, according to this device ! Crazy ! I'm glad I work for a local Union and don't have to pick up a job like in a regular "9to5", because this is too much, you're sweating before you even start your engine in the morning :o( Love to see a video of your car as well ! If you have any yet.............