Simple Workshop, Shed or Garage Lights

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Proper DIY

Proper DIY

9 ай бұрын

Using modern day LED strip fittings make adding lights to your workshop or shed easy. Lights (5' 45w IP65 LED battern lights) and junction boxes from Screwfix.
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@generallyhelpfulsoftware646
@generallyhelpfulsoftware646 9 ай бұрын
Maybe you could put in a couple solar panels to keep your battery topped off. Probably easier than bring in power from the house.
@jamesantill5065
@jamesantill5065 9 ай бұрын
Be an interesting project video for the rest of us too.
@johnchincotta1qwdb15
@johnchincotta1qwdb15 9 ай бұрын
Very constructive and informative video as usual
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 9 ай бұрын
The ecoflow can be supplied with a small solar panel that will easily charge this occasional load. Even a smaller unit might be adequate for this use.
@generallyhelpfulsoftware646
@generallyhelpfulsoftware646 9 ай бұрын
It’s possible he’ll have cordless lawn care equipment that he’ll want to charge. So maybe take that into consideration when sizing the system.
@billybull7419
@billybull7419 8 ай бұрын
Na too expensive and inefficient
@TheLemartes
@TheLemartes 9 ай бұрын
I am glad I am not the only one using my hand and fingers as spacers 😃
@NikNakGB
@NikNakGB 9 ай бұрын
I think I'd of shopped around for some clear perspex to keep the natural light, you can get it corrugated too
@SteveSeadog
@SteveSeadog 9 ай бұрын
This was exactly the prompt I needed to illuminate my garage effectively. I've been in the dark for way too long. 😃
@mrspudly1
@mrspudly1 9 ай бұрын
One of those classic examples of where you inherit someone else's problem. Great video
@mikeZL3XD7029
@mikeZL3XD7029 9 ай бұрын
Brilliant work, Stuart, glad I subscribed. As an electrician, LED fittings are the simplest, cheapest way to add a LOT of light to a workshop. I've lost count of the number of fluorescent fittings I've torn out of sheds in the last few years. One other thing, LED fittings aren't affected by vibration from power tools, like the pins on flouro's are either. Top marks.
@philipford3921
@philipford3921 9 ай бұрын
I could watch this channel all day. And sometimes do. Another great video.
@robgullen
@robgullen 9 ай бұрын
I have those lights in my workshop . . . feels like I'm in an operating theatre!!
@stuartandrews4344
@stuartandrews4344 9 ай бұрын
Also have same lights,can't fault them, but I wear glasses & have had to change to non Reactions pair otherwise they go dark.
@twincamtim
@twincamtim 9 ай бұрын
You've knocked it out the park again, brilliant! 😎
@twincamtim
@twincamtim 9 ай бұрын
@@mc1703 IMHO this DIY channel provides the best DIY videos available - no bs, good fun, excellent content and topical stuff.
@christianwithers7335
@christianwithers7335 9 ай бұрын
Love this channel too, and you Tim 😋love everything🤗
@philipwilliams8114
@philipwilliams8114 9 ай бұрын
Amusing soundtrack when erecting the tower. Another enjoyable video. Cheers
@843thebear
@843thebear 9 ай бұрын
Great work. The sheeting you put up might be better overlapped on the outside to stop rain running in-between the overlaps, but those lights look fab, might get one for my shed. Also interested in your portable power unit, could do with one of those for when we have powercuts.
@andypaddon8531
@andypaddon8531 9 ай бұрын
put some silicon in the join outside. No one will see it and it'll last years if not in direct sunlight.
@Mike_5
@Mike_5 9 ай бұрын
Aerial Cables are a good quick fix to outside buildings (Suspended by a Catenary Wire from high on the supplying house) but this is also a winner of a solution
@peterconnolly2724
@peterconnolly2724 9 ай бұрын
With all those goodies in the shed, you should consider some sort of alarm system also. Solar powered cameras are pretty cheap compared to the equipment you have.
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 9 ай бұрын
Well done but here in the Netherlands, Belgium etc, the cable must be put inside a "hit proof" pipe ( mostly grey or yellow PVC pipe is used). I have the outside waved plates on the outside of the structure. Regards from the Ardennes.
@MartynSmith
@MartynSmith 9 ай бұрын
I think it would be a good idea to put a small hole in the bottom of your junction box. It's not sealed so it may let little bits of water in and damp air so you may get condensation inside. Over time it will fill up with water
@MrBuyerman
@MrBuyerman 9 ай бұрын
Didn't he say they were waterproof boxes, though? Putting a hole in seems to defeat the purpose
@MartynSmith
@MartynSmith 9 ай бұрын
@@MrBuyerman It does seem to defeat the purpose I agree but that's the problem - to make things waterproof you need gel to cover it. Any water that gets in will not get out. I've had an outside plug fill with water
@neilbridgeman7768
@neilbridgeman7768 9 ай бұрын
@@MrBuyermanthey are waterproof but not the way he installed them.
@christianwithers7335
@christianwithers7335 9 ай бұрын
No. I would correct any problem if and when they occur. Don't cut into them immediately. That shed looks dry and has great ventilation 🤗
@norfolkhall
@norfolkhall 9 ай бұрын
You can tell he doesn't run many cables ! Would have been better if the cables entered the junction box from the bottom. drip loops ?
@sween187
@sween187 9 ай бұрын
In your unique situation you could have fixed the sheets to the outside going down past the gap this way you'd create an air gap, intentional of course 😉.
@terrytopliss9506
@terrytopliss9506 9 ай бұрын
More progress with the outbuildings Stuart, good to see. Thanks for the video.👍👍
@valborchardt3596
@valborchardt3596 9 ай бұрын
Finally getting that sorted. Well done Stuart
@robertwillis4061
@robertwillis4061 9 ай бұрын
I would have put a bead of sealant on the Corrugated Iron. Your panel is inside the outer, so any rain will get in. A sealant bead on the outside will stop water ingress.
@HollowMan972
@HollowMan972 9 ай бұрын
I've thoroughly enjoyed and learned so much watching you. Thank you for the great content!
@garulusglandarius6126
@garulusglandarius6126 9 ай бұрын
Love the lights, I’m going to use them on my new shed project. Excellent as always Stuart, thank you 👍
@dannybaker2763
@dannybaker2763 9 ай бұрын
Great video, including the nice throwback to you and Keith working together, and something I'd like to see more of.😊 The lights are brilliant, 45 watts, cheap to run, and more importantly, provide plenty of light.
@Petertronic
@Petertronic 9 ай бұрын
Just waiting for the electricians to start yelling about using conduit 😆 Great job. Fitted a similar light in my kitchen and it's excellent.
@jamesantill5065
@jamesantill5065 9 ай бұрын
Im not even a sparks and I'd have suggested trunking.
@richardpawlowski4540
@richardpawlowski4540 9 ай бұрын
At least put up fire rated clips
@neilbridgeman7768
@neilbridgeman7768 9 ай бұрын
@@richardpawlowski4540why?
@richardpawlowski4540
@richardpawlowski4540 9 ай бұрын
Owing to a fireman dying some years back after being entangled in cables that came down after the plastic clips melted it is now mandatory that all fixed surface wiring is supported by fire-rated clips. That applies to plastic conduit and also inside plastic trunking.
@GenerateLance
@GenerateLance 9 ай бұрын
Naaaa we will just wait for the call-outs and live off the remedial works. Carry on! 😂
@clivewalker5465
@clivewalker5465 9 ай бұрын
Although most of my DIY is done , I always look forward to your Projects . Did you remember to remove the 13 amp fuse , and replace with a 3 amp ? Must look after your wellbeing . That Camping Battery is Ideal , and I had no idea that they existed .
@xharassnatox
@xharassnatox 8 ай бұрын
Can I ask why you'd change the fuse? To account for the multiple lights?
@jonchalk3855
@jonchalk3855 2 ай бұрын
The LED lights you added, is a great improvement over the fluorescent ones. Lightweight and bright for less energy. Great work. I am interested in knowing the brand and model of the scaffolding. As you said, for occasional use, it is good. I can also use it as a computer desk.
@mrporridge2304
@mrporridge2304 9 ай бұрын
A question we all face. Sometimes occasionally, sometimes frequently... straight to actual straight or straight to what's already there! 😂 Great vid again Stuart thank you, good luck. 👍
@davidtamasauskas2439
@davidtamasauskas2439 9 ай бұрын
Great video 😊 We did similar for our garage as we don’t have permanent power to it yet, the led strips give off a really good amount of light!
@somewhereelse3813
@somewhereelse3813 9 ай бұрын
Great stuff again. Great subjects, very well presented, subtle humour and if your lucky enough to have Patreon, great extra stuff
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 9 ай бұрын
like your solution. And I agree with the portable grinder
@johnwalsh6844
@johnwalsh6844 9 ай бұрын
It looks great. Nice job.
@XL-5117
@XL-5117 9 ай бұрын
Haha, nothing goes right in diy!! You sound like me, I’m always on a rant whenever I’m doing what I think is a simple job which turns out to be more complicated than I thought. You give me hope that it’s not just me, as you’re definitely more skilled at diy 😂
@andyc972
@andyc972 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Stuart, for another practical and entertaining DIY project, I built a shed last year to hold just the same sort of stuff - it takes up lot of space and doesn't belong in the workshop ! Still waiting in anticipation for the Deere reveal !
@scepticchristian
@scepticchristian 2 күн бұрын
Very helpful, thanks.
@jeremysargent5037
@jeremysargent5037 9 ай бұрын
I do enjoy some of this stuff even though I don't have a half acre paddock. At least I can store my garden stuff in my garage, that I'd like to fix up using your plaster board workshop video. These videos give us the confidence to have a go at plenty of stuff that we'd otherwise be put off without having a good DIY mentor. Great videos.
@ianpearse4480
@ianpearse4480 9 ай бұрын
Uncertainty is the only certainty other than the taxes thingy. Great work. Loved the solutions. I might have rehung all of it, oh, no I would have done it your way. I am way to lazy for that much work. LOL.
@vernonhope3551
@vernonhope3551 9 ай бұрын
At a later date you may want to consider replacing a couple of the wiggly tin roofing panels with clear ones. You'd be amazed how much light they let in.
@markgammie4627
@markgammie4627 9 ай бұрын
Some years ago a neighbour of mine showed me a way to fit square sheets on a skewed shed roof without having to trim any and is a worth mentioning here. It would work in this situation provided the difference is not too great which it didn't appear to be. In this case you can/could/would screw the top level, then working from the lowest end of the bottom sheet align the corrugations and secure the bottom of the top sheet. Working along towards the higher end of the bottom sheet, keep aligning and securing the sheet bowing the iron out as you go. Then go back and push the iron flat and secure it in the middle. The corrugations compress take up the slack. On a roof you can pin sheets 2 or 3 sheets together if required and take up 75-100mm as was the case on my roof. Much harder to describe with words than to do! Thanks for the entertainment Stuart & a shout out to Turk if you're there.
@user-jh8no1zb9e
@user-jh8no1zb9e 9 ай бұрын
i think you need to make a video
@andypaddon8531
@andypaddon8531 9 ай бұрын
Good film - love the discussion about getting the corregated sheet lined up - I would possibly seal it around outside with some silicon - although that may be over the top????? Possible to put solar or a mini-wind turbine and some batteries for a local power source for lights and a basic alarm????
@MSGaddicts
@MSGaddicts 9 ай бұрын
I've got exactly the same tower scaffold. Used it at its highest capacity and used its outriggers. Was cheaper to buy that and install the gutters in front of the house than to hire someone to fit the gutters.
@lewisbrown51
@lewisbrown51 9 ай бұрын
Can I ask how much the tower is and where you can buy it? Thanks
@mungoh42
@mungoh42 9 ай бұрын
@@lewisbrown51Isn't the vendor name shown at the start-ish of the video? Google that.
@lewisbrown51
@lewisbrown51 9 ай бұрын
@@mungoh42thanks I hadn't noticed so I'll need to still find that.... Still think it's helpful if you just post the link
@ccrjason
@ccrjason 9 ай бұрын
How did you avoid the urge to take the wonky sheeting off and put it up level? 😂
@andrewwilson3663
@andrewwilson3663 9 ай бұрын
Nice little project and 13a plug powered avoids wiring regs for DIYers. Looks like a lovely home for a wasp (rat / mouse) nest, have you thought about an insect and vermin proof closure for the wall / roof junction? They will find a way in and the vermin will trash your valuable stuff!
@isaacplaysbass8568
@isaacplaysbass8568 9 ай бұрын
Fab video, I really need to revisit my workshop lighting. Just looking the debris at when you were cutting the corrugated steel with the cut-off/slitting disc your grinder - you can make your cutting wheel last longer if you don't plunge the blade so deeply, and it's less likely to get caught/trapped and disintegrate if you take several shallower passes.
@shaunsmith690
@shaunsmith690 9 ай бұрын
A great job Stuart well done matey, some good light coming off them and only 45 watts.
@bighig88
@bighig88 9 ай бұрын
I've said it before when I saw your first two or three videos and I'll say it again the best DIY KZfaqr out there. I want to be you 😂
@Loosehead
@Loosehead 9 ай бұрын
Inspiring as usual, Stuart. I think I would have taken off the old corrugated sheets and re-levelled them, but, you do you, as they say. And put the sheets on the outside.
@michaelhogwood104
@michaelhogwood104 9 ай бұрын
Great stuff Stuart i love the channel 👍
@shaun30-3-mg9zs
@shaun30-3-mg9zs 9 ай бұрын
Nice work Stuart, Those LED strip lights do throw out a good light 45watt also cheap to run , I'm thinking of changing mine in my workshop and garage, I've got 10 to replace. great video mate ,take care see you on the next one👍
@awantamta
@awantamta 9 ай бұрын
Great job as usual
@nightowl356
@nightowl356 9 ай бұрын
nice project! I would've used one of those translucent plastic sheets with the same wave shape like corrugated iron, don't know what they're called and if you have them in the UK, but some sunlight for just grabbing something quick would be easier than using the electric light everytime
@ThomasJoe..
@ThomasJoe.. 9 ай бұрын
But that costs money, the metal was already there so less costs
@nightowl356
@nightowl356 9 ай бұрын
@@ThomasJoe.. you're right, forgot that they were already there
@WoodworkJourney
@WoodworkJourney 9 ай бұрын
Nice job! 👍
@jackjonson2696
@jackjonson2696 9 ай бұрын
Enjoyed video thanks.
@therealdojj
@therealdojj 9 ай бұрын
Got the same lights in my garage Fitment is so so easy I was surprised it was just clipping it in and away you go
@train4905
@train4905 3 ай бұрын
Exellent job😊
@craigbaxter4842
@craigbaxter4842 9 ай бұрын
Another great video, really informative👍👍
@markhutton6824
@markhutton6824 9 ай бұрын
BTW have that same DeWalt angle grinder and it is a beast and has been shared around several neighbours to grind or cut... they bought or replaced blades. Better a tool be used by many than sit in a box doing nothing!
@ICanSeeClearlyNow
@ICanSeeClearlyNow 9 ай бұрын
Good job as usual. I might have been tempted to move all the sheets to the outside of the timbers, but that might be more effort than it is worth. What next paint it white inside to help with light? I did it on an old garage, what a difference.
@99037149
@99037149 9 ай бұрын
Credit to you I would demolished the whole thing and started again!
@colinwood1337
@colinwood1337 9 ай бұрын
Yeah but not everyone can afford that approach nor would want to because recycling is very satisfying where it’s practical to do so
@bill8784
@bill8784 9 ай бұрын
Nice video. Thank you.
@Splits-man
@Splits-man 9 ай бұрын
There’s a lot of nice kit in there Stuart. Can you extend your wireless alarm to have a detector in there for peace of mind?
@robertboughton11
@robertboughton11 9 ай бұрын
Very Bright.
@reddevil3453
@reddevil3453 9 ай бұрын
I used 2 of those exact lights in my new 8 x 12 storage shed- perfect and bright, and of course low wattage compared to the old fluorecent tubes . one thing about your storage shed, i assume that you will now likely get nesting birds turning up next spring, i guess thats for a future video content
@keiths-teeth
@keiths-teeth 9 ай бұрын
Racking/shelves for your boxes, at 5ft to not sacrifice floor space
@geraldfitzgibbon7428
@geraldfitzgibbon7428 9 ай бұрын
Stuart iv 2 thos strip lights. Ther great.its nice clear white bright light. Wher can i get 1 thos towers. It b handy for me to keep the top of my hedge trimed. Rather than up an down a ladder
@colingoode3702
@colingoode3702 9 ай бұрын
I used some similar LED strip lights in my loft & garage. A much better whiter light than the old fluorescent tubes. You're right about DIY never running smoothly. I've just finished automating my garden lights & water feature pumps by fitting some in-line wifi switches which I can set timers on & control via an App. I had a hell time syncing them up to my house Wifi internet because they kept losing the signal every 5mins or so. In the end I ditched the Wifi control & went with BlueTooth control instead (luckily both options were available on the switches). I also fitted manual Kinetic switches in parallel as well for backup because I don't trust Apps. Call me old fashioned but I do struggle with some of this new tech. Keep them coming Stuart.....
@jmal555
@jmal555 9 ай бұрын
For Wifi, you probably would need to only use 2.4GHz only (not mesh) and assign a static IP. That usually solves my dropout issues with IoT.
@colingoode3702
@colingoode3702 9 ай бұрын
@@jmal555 You lost me already
@JL-rx6hl
@JL-rx6hl 27 күн бұрын
you could have used t&e between lights and flex from the plug to the first junc box. and .75mm would have been sufficient
@darrenpaulgreen
@darrenpaulgreen 9 ай бұрын
Nice job. Where’s the Tower from Stuart? Been looking for something similar….
@SpectrumGeeks
@SpectrumGeeks 9 ай бұрын
Great video Stuart, would you mind sharing where you got the lightweight scaffold from please, I am looking for something similar. Thanks in advance.
@brianknowles7130
@brianknowles7130 9 ай бұрын
Good vid. thks. [ you try telling your Mrs. that DIY is not a five minute job ..lol ]
@ianbeesley840
@ianbeesley840 21 күн бұрын
Hi, great, easy to follow video, as usual. Where did you get the LED fittings from? I'm looking for just such a solution for my shed. Keep up the good work & advice.
@markirish7599
@markirish7599 9 ай бұрын
Proper job 👍
@simonsharkey7017
@simonsharkey7017 9 ай бұрын
Stuart any chance of doing a episode on installing an outside tap connecting it under the sink i did but now i have the flexi pipe coming from the tap and plastic coming from the mains i cannot use the self tapping fittings please thanks
@clivewoolley4492
@clivewoolley4492 9 ай бұрын
I can see that the corrugated sheeting from the bottom is overlapping the one above on each one which the rain will come into the building so there for you should take all off and start from the bottom.
@andypaddon8531
@andypaddon8531 9 ай бұрын
or put some silicon in the join outside. No one will see it and it'll last years if not in direct sunlight.
@ejimbru
@ejimbru 9 ай бұрын
With the overlap so high on the wall and the ample overhang of the roof there is slim chances that there will be rain entering the join. With the wind speeds required to get rain in at that angle I think the roof and sides will come off so the overlap is the least of his worries 😂
@martinhunt6004
@martinhunt6004 9 ай бұрын
A great job well done Stuart! Are you going to use any sealant?
@elminster8149
@elminster8149 9 ай бұрын
Might be better with a low voltage system and lights. Connect them up to a 12v battery and charge with a couple of solar panels. Will be easier than running armoured from the house.
@MS-yy2dh
@MS-yy2dh 9 ай бұрын
Nice ride on mower! I have a somewhat cheaper secondhand Simplicity.
@HayzeeHayes
@HayzeeHayes 9 ай бұрын
Stu I'm not one to adding jobs to your list.....however....it would be useful to make your single entrance door into a double door?
@tonywatson1412
@tonywatson1412 9 ай бұрын
Someone commented on the grommets degrading...they won't, not indoors anyway...ive used them under the eaves of houses ...years later .. no probs
@AJellySnakeRebel
@AJellySnakeRebel 9 ай бұрын
Sorry what cabling did you use? I'm looking to copy this in my garage. Thanks.
@DonMorte2
@DonMorte2 9 ай бұрын
I fitted 4 of these in my standard sized, one car garage... Two would have been overkill 😎
@DracosTube
@DracosTube 9 ай бұрын
Any chance you could provide a link to the one-man access tower you got? it's pretty nifty
@hubby-tubadventures01
@hubby-tubadventures01 8 ай бұрын
Now my autumn project. Thanks for sharing the video. My workshop is 12 x 18. How many of those strip lights would i need? TIA (subbed too)
@seancrowe3353
@seancrowe3353 6 ай бұрын
Great video. Do you have a link for the lights?
@robjones2011
@robjones2011 9 ай бұрын
Great video. Do you have a link for the tower? Tried searching previous videos and couldn't find it unfortunately.
@aeroncook
@aeroncook 4 ай бұрын
Great video! Can you send me a link to where you got the lights from please? And the power station :)
@samr7372
@samr7372 9 ай бұрын
Hi. Could I ask, how long your battery pack would power your lights for? Thanks Sam.
@therealdonchelios
@therealdonchelios 2 ай бұрын
Hi mate. Do you have a link for the wago connectors? I'd like to know which ones you bought for this specific wire. Also any issues with the lights since? How hard would it be to uninstall the lights?
@steve11211
@steve11211 9 ай бұрын
Bit rough but not to bad for DIY, consideration should be given for premature collapse, some allround band or metal cable clips would be a good idea.
@neilbridgeman7768
@neilbridgeman7768 9 ай бұрын
I don’t think premature collapse counts in this instance but yes, very rough.
@steve11211
@steve11211 9 ай бұрын
@@neilbridgeman7768 I did consider this as its a wooden structure however plastic clips would melt before the wooden structure gave up, so fire fighters might need to go in to battle a blaze and the clips could fail impeding their exit so yes I think it would count and that was my NAPIT assessors logic on a similar situation.
@steveanderson3942
@steveanderson3942 9 ай бұрын
Where did you get the scaffolding tower?
@MAAZAD
@MAAZAD 6 ай бұрын
I need advice mate. How do I bend copper pipe used for toilet cistern that’s already point upwards to pointing downwards.
@FlashPan73
@FlashPan73 9 ай бұрын
I'd still be tempted to cable tie the lights strips to the beam.
@DC-dp3hk
@DC-dp3hk 9 ай бұрын
Should the sheets not be overlapped the other way round to make it more weather proof?
@jcoul1sc
@jcoul1sc 9 ай бұрын
Use your phone light meter to measure. Also I would mount on chains to give brighter light on the working plane about 1m of the ground
@aperson1181
@aperson1181 8 ай бұрын
Could you please suggest how to wire shop/ceiling Fluorescent Lights into an ordinary outlet?
@PKalsiArt
@PKalsiArt 4 ай бұрын
I'm looking to do this in my garage but with 2 LED battens. Do you have any detailed instructions on how to connect everything?
@hungryhoraceuk8435
@hungryhoraceuk8435 5 ай бұрын
Thinking of doing my loft out and wondered which light fitting you chose - was it the 4LITE ADVANTAGE TWIN 5FT LED IP65 BATTEN ?? and are you satisfied with them to date? Many thanks
@nocode1603
@nocode1603 9 ай бұрын
Fair play if you don't think things go right in diy try being a spark trust me things don't always go straight forward for us either... empty a van full of tools to fit a socket etc😂you used what you had at hand to get the job done I'd call that a win..👏👍
@mathiasjacobsen3355
@mathiasjacobsen3355 9 ай бұрын
Would not be nessecary with junction bosex, provided it was possible t to feed a cable to each end on led batten light fixtures
@johnmorris7899
@johnmorris7899 9 ай бұрын
Schneider no longer make the 7 entry junction box that's what Ive been using at work and I've had to source a decent alternative
@MrChunkymunky1988
@MrChunkymunky1988 9 ай бұрын
Where abouts did you purchase the light strips from? I have just moved into a new house and the loft is pretty big and very dark so im thinking of putting something like that up there to light up all the dark corners so i dont fall through the ceiling 😂
@markhutton6824
@markhutton6824 9 ай бұрын
Sorry but what were the junction boxes you ordered from Screwfix as I have shed and loft projects that need empty but resistant boxes.. all I can find are boxes with connectors built in.
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