Blood trails are unpredictable 80 yards is easy.

@@Chriskelly19067 Sharp and efficient arrow flight That’s the mixture

Wood workers some times do this to wood chisels. It's called unicorning. I've tried it on some cheap chisels and it does make a huge difference in the durability of the edge.

Hey Mike, I'm pretty sure Iron Will are 32 degree angle. Good luck on your elk hunt.

@@bullet225ho yep, they are. I checked right after I saw this

Excited to try my iron will 125 sb on whitetail Oct 1st in Michigan

I would THINK, and I am not scientist, but the make of the metal and it's hardness would have an impact on the rotation damage. All things being equal. The tougher metal has less flex in it and therefore damages more,cuts more. Troy seemed to think 20-30 degrees. I know some people who like more, and I personally like inbetween, 25 degrees is more than enough for North American animals. I don't hunt Africa,thats a different ball game certainly.

For both comments. Of course! Personally thinking is just anecdotal. The trick is the single bevel edge is only one sided compare to a double bevel and requires PROPER TEMPER. That is a whole can of worms we are constantly improving.

Damn, you short draw guys have such a big advantage when it comes to high foc arrow builds. 😞

@@casanovafrankenstein8875 he's probly a 29" draw. That ain't short man

@@mikeguy9668 29" is a short draw length, to me. It's all relative. Maybe the OP is a younger person?? My draw length was 29" before. I didn't stop growing after high school tho...

@@casanovafrankenstein8875 I'm 30.5, but the average is 28. Anything over that is considered long in the industry. I get that you may think it's short, but on the scale it's not

@@mikeguy9668 I understand you think 29 is a long draw length, but it just isn't. Cope. Hell, 30.5 would be seen as short by some ppl(me included)and long by some others. It's all relative. And it's an absolute fact, running up the foc on a 28",29",30" arrow is easier than it is on a full length 32" arrow, while maintaining a reasonable T.A.W. I hope you short draw guys take full advantage of the F.O.C opportunities you have, if you so wish. Good luck out there little buddy! 🤞🦌👋✌️🦖

The opposing bevels on a double bevel broadhead cancel out the leverage that each side creates. A single bevel broadhead rotates as it passes through tissue (soft or hard), creating a spiral cutting path as it passes (a longer path than a straight path creates}, and when it passes through bone the torque from the rotation cracks the bone. A double bevel BH does not rotate, so when it hits bone it has to rely on the force derived from the bow to smash it way through the bone.

I was gonna say grizzly because you get six - or at least used to! Not really a low cost option now

@@RanchFairy I'll find a way to stock up on Grizzly's then. Even they are up to $12.00/pop. Yer a good dude, thanks...

When they reduce it from a Penal colony!!!

@@RanchFairy 🤣 hey!

​@@RanchFairyit was good enough for Ashby to come here...and do much of his study on broadhead lethality here...😊

Email Troy@ranchfairy.com

Do yourself a favor and watch his series on arrow tuning (extremely important!!). Get yourself familiar with that first and then look into his 3 blade over at Sirius Archery. Expensive yes but easy to sharpen/ reuse over and over again. Also check out magnus broadheads.

Your set up is fine with any broadhead. I reccomend a fixed blade broadhead. Make sure they fly well (tuned) good luck.

Adam Email me at troy@ranchfairy.com I will give you the fast track videos to tune and setup for monsters. Just say “I’m the guy on you tube with the Mathews 60#/29” draw” so I remember I get 1,000 messages a month right now! P.S. you want to get some Magnus black hornet 4 blade 125 broadheads now - the “ser razor” model. We’ll build around that

Your in good hands buddy hope you get a giant

Correct on shot placement No MATTER the shot angle - broadhead has to hit vitals. Three blades and blood trails I’ve covered numerous times on my channel There is (to date) no increased blood trial correlation for broadhead type Dr Ed’s Natal study does show arrow systems that allow penetrating the vital organs, at multiple shot angles, with the correct arrow SYSTEM, not just broadhead type.

I was just wondering the same thing. Like some knives have.

Perfect arrow flight with the point weight you want to shoot. FIRST Then masai and learn to sharpen curves.

On the list…..but the perpendicular leverage is that discussion. Now - long and low bevel (wide bevel face) probably a winner!!!

If you read the Ashby studies, their testing shows that 3 blades (I think those in the testing were double bevel) tend to get stuck in bone more than any other type of head, for whatever reason. I don’t think making it single bevel would hurt, especially for soft tissue, but a 3 blade is not ideal for bone. Believe it or not, even 4, 5, and 6 blade heads are better for bone. I think it has to do with the geometry, a wedging effect.

The best for bone is a 2 blade by far, of course, but I see the value in cutting more tissue as well.

"Throughout the study, not a single large bone-split has been observed with ANY double-bevel broadhead." Dr. Ed Ashby

The twist comes mechanically from the broad head as it starts to penetrate the spin or rotation of the arrow I don’t think will give a flywheel affect, maybe some trough flesh an tissue but on impact of bone I would think it’s mechanics. I may be wrong though.

@@matthewserkert4401 I’m still talking about bevel on one side…..just TWO bevels on one side.

@@danielduroy3517 I’m still talking about bevel on one side…..just TWO bevels on one side.

@@chrismartin5166 Well, dual bevels on one side of the blades, is a different animal. As Heath Gamache posted an hour ago, Innovative Outdoorsman KZfaq channel has addressed this issue. I'm sorry I didn't understand your post. You did mention "Like a knife," and most knives are double beveled (a bevel on each side of the blade), as well as most knives (but not all) have dual bevels on a side..

I’ve actually asked them to send me some of them

Awesome, hopefully they come through. I'm in Southern Iowa hunting whitetail with them this season. Long time dream of mine to get on a trip to harvest a hog with my bow so I decided to start messing with heavier fixed setups.

@@braxtonwallace8458 And we will sharpen them - correct?

@@RanchFairy currently going through all your videos haha so I'll be trying my best and if I don't get the results I want I have some friends that can do it!

A lower bevel - say a 20 degree vs 30 will rotate less BUT have more leverage against the tissue or bone because the blade face is larger. Like a longer pry bar Remember - to rotate it needs to move forward. So the more efficient FORWARD moving head (longer for its width) will rotate more easily. Plus it’s a longer cutting surface - no one talks about that - literally a 3” long cutting edge or a 1.5” cutting edge. Meat and tendons and vitals stay “on” the blade longer if the head is longer. Allowing higher level cuts or blade damage to say half the blade (bone impact) the other half is longer Breaking things never kills anything. Cutting things does - fact I don’t know any with unmatched bevels

@@RanchFairy I appreciate the reply, and review is always good, but I understood all that info already (and heartily agree.) I'm famous for asking weird questions, so I'm used to it. I may have to draw a few pictures, but lok at ypur second paragraph. That's exactly what I'm talking about, so let me come at it from what you wrote. In a broadhead with two different blade (not bevel) angles along the cutting edge, what you have is partly an easy-cutting AND a less easy-cutting portion. The bevelled edge is thereby presented differently to the meat by the two angles: as both a slice and a chop. The two will try to turn at different rates, but can't because they are attached to each other.

@@RanchFairy I'm thinking king of unmatched blade angles, rather than unmatched bevels. Like on the Helix which has an acute leading blade angle with a more obtuse angle trailing, or a couple of the short Alien heads from Australia with an obtuse leading angle.

When someone slits their wrist, they use a razor...harder for medical to stop the bleeding.

I get what you are saying but I think it's kinda apples to oranges. If you cut your finger or whatever you can just apply pressure and yes it will clot right up. If you cut your lungs they won't just clot up. Also supposedly, duĺl blades could push vessles or tissue out of the way or kinda gum up instead of just slicing it. A sharp blade is more likely to pass through cause less energy is required to get through, but a pass through on a dull blade would be damaging as well.

i try that sight 2 times. last year and missed two deer but i put it on two weeks before the season so it was my fault. then i put on the day after the season and try to shoot it until june every other day if weather ok for 4 months and one 3d target i could not get pass 30 yards. i will have been happy to shoot 40 yards with out missing. 20yard was on 30 was 75%, and 40 was 50%. i gave it up i like it a lot i wish it work for me. good luck one thing you can sell them easy

No Sharp wins

I see no advantages I HAVEN’T tested that so let’s be fair on that - but neither has the company claiming all the “magic” results!!! The latter is more common. “Magic” claims are easy. Just say it’s magic!!! 😂

The lower angle 25 or so has more lateral force, perpendicular to the shot line, due to the large surface area. YOU DO NOT want massive amounts of rotation from a steep bevel. We've seen bevels approaching 40 degrees cause deflections.

Same weight 3 blade is fine They better be sharp And better not be junk from wal mart And BTW - they don’t make better blood trials. Heavily studied by me and NO ONE else but broadhead manufacturing marketing CLAIMS And message board idiots in their basement So if that’s your wish - crap in one hand and wish in another See what fills up first!!!

@@RanchFairy ok so yes if I got ur 3 blade from Sirius I would have to have the same weight insert ur saying ? I can’t just put the 3 blade on and site it in

@@RanchFairy I’m just newer to all the heavier inserts ..heavier broadheads and I want to get into it more I’m just learning

@@mr.Mikeyboy That’s fine. My concern is jumping from 125 to 200 grain point and the arrow may not handle it. Fly crazy. For this year I’d stay with 125 and do “the process” next spring - buy a ranch fairy test kit and get to work

@@RanchFairy yessir sounds like a plan I’ll go back and check out website… Thank you for getting back to me!

You need 300 spine arrow 100 grain insert 125 grain point / broadhead and watch this on length kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e8qbqciWlc3Xm5s.html PS - ranch fairy store at Sirius archery for all your super awesome arrows!

It’s all energy and the ability of The arrow to remain intact at impact You’re going faster. It’s more critical See dragging deer you tube channel He did a whole series

Awesome thanks.

So far, Cutthroat Broadheads seem to be the most consistent, accurate and tough head I've used. I've run them into boards several times (accidently) and they still spin true. Still take an edge really well. Gonna hunt with them this fall.

Sorry I tried to send photos didn't work, but they are cold steel cheapshot bonesaw 125gr.

@@chrisbeyer3527 I’ve never heard of them

@@RanchFairy ok thanks for the info

Why? It’s not an animal Who cares about gel?

@@RanchFairy k

Maybe you should watch his old videos where all he does is shoot hogs with what hes talking about. Jesus man.

He's got a video on his 3 blade and why but long and short is they're easier to sharpen than single bevels and much more durable than most big names on the market. His way of making a transition broadhead to "shooting adult arrows" for those who don't want to put in the time a single bevel requires.

@@TO-7025 i saw the video. i was asking him, maybe me but the single is not that hard to sharping. i have not shot anything yet with my single blades this is why i was asking. i was wounder the single blades break through bones much better than 3 blades he has proven that many times. this is the reason i switch. now he is shooting 3 blades i was wounder why? i not question him i just was asking. is it because they are easy to trail blood i get that, is it they hold up better i get that, are they sharper i get that, or is it a money issue? i know they not selling the meathunters 315 anymore, i like to buy some. i like him i been follow him for few years i did alot of changes and he answer alot of questions i been having. i have read ashby study, i was hopping he will answer it even if it private. i not mad or hate the guy. i not setting him up i was wondering. is it blood trailing maybe this is something i need to think about before sinking $200 into blade again if they ever sell them again. if he want to massage me that fine also, i see he is answer questions but for some reason you feel to speak for him

I'll let Troy respond if he'd like to and in no way was I trying to speak for him so please don't take that the wrong way. From what I've gathered watching his videos, that seemed like an appropriate response to your question and was only attempting to help. I believe he's still advocating for us hunter's to shoot single bevel but his transition from flappers to single bevel is just that, a fixed 3 blade that's easier for the masses to use. Maybe he's just testing his 3 blade hence why he's been using it but again, not speaking for the man...

From what I remember...a 2 bevel is preferred, BUT there are 11 other things that matter also. A 3 blade is easier to sharpen & easier to tune. So like the other guy mentioned, RF was saying here is a good option for a heavy head for those hunters not willing to jump on the single bevel idea yet.

@@snapcrack55 i talk to troy many times over the last two years, i am not big carbon person matter fact i hate carbon arrows. after talking to him he got me to change my mind for the FOC. i have shot 3 blade all my hunting life, and i have shot heavy arrows in the 600g for the last 20 years. there was a lot i did not understand was happen to my arrows. the main reason i found out was because my FOC was around 15% now at 22% my arrows fly much better. i do know troy and i been follow him a while now and agree with most he says. ashby i have and listen to just about everything the guy said and wrote for the last two years. i agree with him also. i dont follow the trends when coming to archery it was nice to find people that agree with heavy arrows. chuck adams wrote about it 25 years ago, this when i went to heavy arrows. troy and ashby help me through question i been having for the last 15 years. the question i was asking why did he switch from a two blade to a three blade. i shooting a two blade but have not kill any deer last year to test it out. i hopping to hunt more this year and to give it a test. i dont know why this question is taboo. i dont care was just asking. my big fear was with a two blade is the blood trails. if this the reason why he switch maybe is something to think about. ashby says the blood trail is the same if not better. ashby had many people tracking for him so for him it was good. i sharping many 3 blades heads they are not easy, i bought a special stone to keep my old heads sharp. this single blade it a peace of cake like sharping a knife. matter fact my head is sharper then my knife. please if he dont want to answer it find, i just did not want to sink $200 on blades come to find out the blood trail sucks, if they every sell the meathunter again. i already bought a set of 315g i just want to buy a back up set.

If shooting single bevel Match helical and bevel

Let’s do it. Troy@ranchfairy.com - we can book it and start the ball rolling. You know who you should talk to Ed Ashby. He studied it Pre carbon arrows 27 years During the study carbon (and more FOC) came along And he broke or destroyed literally thousands of broadheads Most peoples main issue with this is it’s a 12 factor system. Not one thing. So yes and no. There are reasons to shoot a single bevel I can discuss along with physiology (cut quality) behind the edge bevel. But - they really shine when you run as many factors as you can PLUS a single bevel So - I’m in if you want to do this - it would be great

Physiologically That’s where they die

I wouldn't aim at the shoulder. Getting your heads to go through the ribs after the blades deployed seems like really bad pennetration to me. I'd aim at the crease tight to the shoulder or an inch behind, double lung. That said, I wouldn't hunt with an expandable anyway.

Grim reapers I have found are better than any other mechanical or fixed and I have never had them fail I have always gotten pass throughs only shooting 60 pounds! That’s even on their whitetail special 2 inch cut!

@@kalebmcdaniel9147 When “always” doesn’t happen I’ll be here !!!

Well I will be switching to either fixed or hybrid grim reapers but I haven’t decided yet. I saw a test in which the hybrid penetrated as far as fixed but I know fixed are way more durable.

Sharpen it and strop it

@@RanchFairy you don't think the bevel is too steep?

@@jarridcarter5001 Sharp wins

@@RanchFairy ill get em sharp enough to cut your breath so I suppose I'm winning!

Yes - I’ve learned a ton about steel tempering and how picky that can be. I say all the time in my videos and podcasts. “It’s how sharp it is when you pick up the arrow that matters (bloody preferred and of it hit a rock - that one is out) But on a pure Animal hit and say - dirt If the blades are chewed up and dull as a hammer / it’s time to wonder what that may cost you in the next animal.

@@RanchFairy I know steel, when it comes to knives. My Teacher is a metallurgist/ Damascus Bladesmith. I would be interested in broadheads made from Japanese and Swedish steals for cutting. For toughness....leaf spring steel is very good steel and there is plenty of it. Sharpens up good. drop forged broadheads from leaf spring steel would be real good!

That’s way easier

@@RanchFairy Keep it UP Troy!

Well buddy, you're wrong and you're right. If its a durable edge that penetrates and stays sharp and hits the vital organs....yes. BUT you are completely wrong about "all this twisting nonsense". Single bevels are a torque based fact that require forward motion to create rotational force. I ask you to go find a single bevel knife or broadhead and see if you can MAKE IT cut straight on a piece of meat or cheese. On bone hits the amount of damage that can be accomplished (to keep any old edge that's sharp, durable, etc.) MOVING FORWARD to the kill zone is pretty incredible. But alas, you have no experience in your comment.

@@RanchFairy I've hunted for years in Michigan's U.P. - bear, deer, small game. Simple bear broad heads worked fine on the end of cedar shafts. Ya don't need anything fancy.

I am continuously gaining an understanding of steel. ITS AMAZING how much detail there is in the heat treat. One single bevel prototype we tested the heat treat was off on "premium" steel. You're right. One set of heads did fine. The other showed some chatter when we were intentionally abusing it to see where the fail point was. The fail was heat treat. I am now smarter because of you and that is Hard to Do!!! Thanks!

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