When was this?

can you add team rescue too, please

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@@VisinskiRadoviBeograd at 1:13

Hey man - peace and love from Malta. Love that you commented - what did he do at 9:12? Looked like a friction krab being clipp’d.. Let me know what you think!

I was trained to first clip in to a intermediate point in the deviation with a long cowstail (this is normally either an alpine butterfly or a karabiner at mid point in the deviation slings), then pull yourself right in and clip in to the second intermediate point with your short link, This gives you your two points of connection and youare now ready to move the deviations one at a time. I hope that this helps.

Agreed, and also a question... Just a Lvl. 1 IRATA / SPRAT speaking here; but from my understanding, at any fall distance less than 30' or approx. 9 meters you "should" use a Duck (or brake device) on a dynamic cow's tail (lanyard, shortchain, what have you) just because the brake distance of the Duck (or device of your choosing) is going to be far less than the "arresting" distance of the lanyard attached to the ASAP. As the ASAP is a toothed device, immediate arrest occurs within 18(?) inches of fall. However...because there is a lanyard attached you now need at minimum an additional 6 ft (2 Meters) of distance or "slowing space" as your lanyard expands. Am I mistaken here?

Also, not trying at all to critique... just a question due to lack of understanding. Really appreciate the videos as they are highly informative and very useful as a RA Tech in the Petrochem industry! Please keep up the excellent work!!!!

@@46-Skadoo You have those numbers in the technical sheet of the ASAP. I'm using Singing Rock/Anthron Locker as a backup and I keep it always above my left hand. I never leave it at my knee level or something like that. I don't like the idea of flying down. Elongation of the rope is another thing, of course. But the device I always attend as high up as possible. That's my ASAP.

Hi Camille When you say the ropes “should” be in different karabiners, I got a a few questions - sorry I’m easy confused😁 1. Do they have to be, or is this your personal preference? 2. Do you think there is a consequence of the tensioned rope making contact with an untensioned backup line in this scenario? 3) I think I’ve been in over 40 training centres and they all rig deviation ropes with both ropes through the two karabiners - are they all doing it wrong? Thanks for clearing that up. I’m all confused!! 😩

@@adaptivo3692 any Tipes of corps in this world is more sensible to friction under tension. So in the cases he is showing, you have a Rope with your body weight which is moving. So with All the movement’s répétions it’s gonna cause dommage to the Rope under tension. So you separate them. Worst case scenario : imagine you’re screwed for any Reasons and somebody is climbing the back up Rope without adding a third rope. Then it’s gonna be even faster to add friction on those ropes. They mainly have à good channel otherwise.

Hey man - peace and love from Malta. Cool comment! Just a question - I delivered over 190 IRATA courses and never noticed any abrasion in deviation ropes rigged usually for 6-9 months. My good buddy he has delivered over 450 courses and he never noticed any either (I sent him an SMS last night.) I wonder if this is a “spurious” risk? I had to look that word up hahaha😁😁

@@adaptivo3692 it is probably because it was on a 10-20 meters hight , if you are doing So on a 50-60meters acces, then you will see the dommage. Especially if the angle is strong or you have différent rope diameters (which is often because you don’t always change your rope at once and your older ones are thicker)

@@adaptivo3692 test even on a 10meters High to bounce over a 1000 times with both guys on a différent rope but same carabiner and you will see.

Ok So tihs comes up alot. What if you are rescuing somone and they cut a rope? Do we now need 3 ponts of contact? It is double jeopardy.

i suppose all good here just don't do that in exam :D

Why? Does the video not explain why you don't have to do this in an assessment? In what senario do you have to clip into the deiviation? @@robertasjuscius1092 Other than people think that you have to, Think about why we are doing things in training. Don't just follow everyone else.

What if a distance more 1.5m from double deviation ?

@@gadavr if for arguments sake the deviation was greater than 1.5m (lets say for a rescue), a BFK at the end of the ropes would do to pull yourself across.