Single Point of Failure: The (Fictional) Day Google Forgot To Check Passwords

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Tom Scott

Tom Scott

10 жыл бұрын

tomscott.com - @tomscott - I spin a (fictional) tale of the day that Google accidentally opened everything. Performed at GeekyConf, with thanks to Betsy Weber and Natalie Downe on camera.

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@ColeRees
@ColeRees 4 жыл бұрын
“Facebook became the most trusted site” boy did that one age beautifully
@c3po_bby796
@c3po_bby796 4 жыл бұрын
definitely
@theajayyy
@theajayyy 4 жыл бұрын
They've never been seen as a trusted site. That's the joke
@vedvod
@vedvod 4 жыл бұрын
I see your point, but that must have been partially untrue for people to be highly surprised by the leak
@theajayyy
@theajayyy 4 жыл бұрын
@@vedvod have you seen Zuckerberg's quote about people being stupid giving him their personal data? Data leaks are the least of their problems.
@maruftim
@maruftim 4 жыл бұрын
That's funniest joke I laughed at hahahah
@Ken.-
@Ken.- 7 жыл бұрын
"Google's Trusted Five" Marvel is already buying the rights.
@YonatanAvhar
@YonatanAvhar 4 жыл бұрын
*Avengers theme intensifies*
@jamiee7367
@jamiee7367 4 жыл бұрын
*Kazoo Avengers theme intensifies*
@snoopyguy21
@snoopyguy21 4 жыл бұрын
Too late. Disney already did and claimed copyright.
@lalalalexie
@lalalalexie 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Ken M get back to us soon buddy
@ryan1696
@ryan1696 4 жыл бұрын
@@snoopyguy21 Disney owns Marvel
@thestateofalaska
@thestateofalaska 8 жыл бұрын
"Everyone has that one single point of failure" Like that semicolon on line 463
@dreadwing93
@dreadwing93 8 жыл бұрын
**shudders**
@hecko-yes
@hecko-yes 8 жыл бұрын
Can't remember.
@brucebaker810
@brucebaker810 8 жыл бұрын
+ToCzegoSzukasz But if the semi colon weren't there...you WOULD remember. Ooooooohh...scaaaaaary.
@ShiftyMcGoggles
@ShiftyMcGoggles 8 жыл бұрын
+ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ or the Greek question-mark on line 6.
@LoganDark4357
@LoganDark4357 8 жыл бұрын
+Coty0010 When you accidently tapped the Caps Lock key instead of A on line 2 and didn't notice it until you were done making that 53-line rewrite.
@Rycluse
@Rycluse 3 жыл бұрын
The mundanity of Tom's sci-fi is always what I find most gripping. Like with the Earworm story, people ultimately just want to get back to their lives.
@ChrisPoindexter98
@ChrisPoindexter98 Жыл бұрын
It's incredible, how it's intense enough to warrant concern, yet generally turns out neutral or positive in its consequences and seems...just barely plausible. Granted, his "Ganymede 2030" talk and the "copyrighted memory/personality" conceptuals he did are a touch hard to set in stone or conceivably believe can happen, but they're not *that* implausible, and this one is strangely realistic.
@Stratelier
@Stratelier 4 жыл бұрын
"Forgot" is such an innocent, optimistic term ... like saying you "forgot" to lock the door on your way out, when what you did was _remove the door from its hinges._
@frozenheartedgiant8330
@frozenheartedgiant8330 2 жыл бұрын
Take my like good sir, you made me laugh
@thomasslone1964
@thomasslone1964 7 ай бұрын
fancy guy _using italics on KZfaq_
@hibblebins
@hibblebins 7 ай бұрын
@@frozenheartedgiant8330 XD u2
@dogemaaaaaan
@dogemaaaaaan 7 ай бұрын
Nice
@0akshadow
@0akshadow 5 ай бұрын
This feels like a line which could actually have been in the video
@chessanator3692
@chessanator3692 8 жыл бұрын
You missed the chance to name the three groups "Defenders, Detectives, Destroyers" for the alliteration.
@Crick1952
@Crick1952 8 жыл бұрын
Alliteration is always awesome
@joshuabrown2125
@joshuabrown2125 8 жыл бұрын
+Ryan Gilbert assonance is vowel sounds, alliteration consonants
@enoughofyourkoicarp
@enoughofyourkoicarp 7 жыл бұрын
Tripple Ds are just too big. ;)
@DlcEnergy
@DlcEnergy 6 жыл бұрын
:DDD :DDB *_double butted_*
@of3natlas507
@of3natlas507 6 жыл бұрын
Crick1952 Alliterations are always awesome
@MegaChickenfish
@MegaChickenfish 4 жыл бұрын
Me: Well it's not like this fictional scenario has e- Tom Scott: *It already happened with Dropbox.*
@talongreenlee7704
@talongreenlee7704 4 жыл бұрын
It’ll happen again if quantum computers ever happen
@Luk3Stein
@Luk3Stein 3 жыл бұрын
@@talongreenlee7704 Elaborate?
@talongreenlee7704
@talongreenlee7704 3 жыл бұрын
Shubham Pawar all computer security is based on how hard it is to guess really really big numbers and quantum computers are really really good at doing just that. A powerful enough quantum computer can break any encryption almost instantly.
@silience4095
@silience4095 3 жыл бұрын
@@talongreenlee7704 Which is why quantum cryptography is being developed.
@talongreenlee7704
@talongreenlee7704 3 жыл бұрын
Xelphonential how does that work?
@mika2666
@mika2666 8 жыл бұрын
*reads the video is fictional* *halfway through thinks its not* *flips shit inside his head* *thinks again* *realises that it's fictional*
@brucebaker810
@brucebaker810 8 жыл бұрын
+Mikat Tech at Google pushes his chair back. Goes to play foosball, having averted yet another Customer Realization Cascade.
@theowletblog
@theowletblog 6 жыл бұрын
Mikat same here. Got half way through and went to download a backup of my blog 😁
@adamschlinker972
@adamschlinker972 5 жыл бұрын
Yup. Hahah.
@Chris_Cross
@Chris_Cross 5 жыл бұрын
So it didn't actually happen?
@lucifer2b666
@lucifer2b666 4 жыл бұрын
@@Chris_Cross Is this real or not?
@iambensummers
@iambensummers 8 жыл бұрын
Obviously it's fictional because Kim Kardashian's tweet has proper grammar.
@3ktone685
@3ktone685 7 жыл бұрын
This is just waaaaaaayyyyyy to good....
@BRACEY12345
@BRACEY12345 6 жыл бұрын
*Yeah, you need some proper grammar lessons too.
@AlexanderKG
@AlexanderKG 6 жыл бұрын
BRACEY12345 Punctuation is what he needs, not grammar.
@AguaFluorida
@AguaFluorida 6 жыл бұрын
Uku Sibul - The asterisk (*) denotes the response was a correction to a preceding comment. Is capitalisation a grammar issue, or something else? And discerning between to/too is arguably an issue of both grammar and spelling.
@Aric-ls7bf
@Aric-ls7bf 5 жыл бұрын
Uku Sibul He never said it was a grammar mistake, he simply corrected the sentence.
@janiscena3126
@janiscena3126 7 жыл бұрын
This must be made into a movie.
@prookarus
@prookarus 7 жыл бұрын
Totally!
@Calvinatorzcraft
@Calvinatorzcraft 7 жыл бұрын
Peteris Rudzitis the new episode of South Park kinda covered this
@EcasmbNoobje
@EcasmbNoobje 7 жыл бұрын
nah not really. it really really really fits a "black mirror" episode though.
@otocan
@otocan 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@TheKhopesh
@TheKhopesh 7 жыл бұрын
Which one?
@larynxaustrene3073
@larynxaustrene3073 8 жыл бұрын
She got caught at the airport, Her flight got delayed the airport ran google systems. Just the best ending ever!
@StevenPersonal
@StevenPersonal 7 жыл бұрын
irony overdose
@georgesamazingman
@georgesamazingman 7 жыл бұрын
Spoiler alert ffs
@giantmetaldog9153
@giantmetaldog9153 7 жыл бұрын
george hine don't read the comments before the video
@rubixsolvezzz_4346
@rubixsolvezzz_4346 6 жыл бұрын
Lynx_ it's not real ex dee
@BigDylan66
@BigDylan66 6 жыл бұрын
I read this comment just as Tom said it
@Z3Cubing
@Z3Cubing 8 жыл бұрын
I love how he added (fictional) to the title. xD
@sagiksp4979
@sagiksp4979 8 жыл бұрын
+legoboyz3! Didn't expect to see you here
@TheSuperDerp
@TheSuperDerp 6 жыл бұрын
That's what they want you to think.
@oakentravis
@oakentravis 6 жыл бұрын
Didn't think you'd be here.
@Chris_Cross
@Chris_Cross 5 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. Why?
@jeim376
@jeim376 5 жыл бұрын
I mean, if aliens...
@FireSiku
@FireSiku 8 жыл бұрын
KZfaq recommended this video on April's Fools. Pretty convenient.
@Luke-lw9dg
@Luke-lw9dg 5 жыл бұрын
FireSiku Again, 3 years on!
@Teegii4
@Teegii4 4 жыл бұрын
Yep
@senatorarmstrong689
@senatorarmstrong689 3 жыл бұрын
4 years
@casinthetardisin221b2
@casinthetardisin221b2 Жыл бұрын
6 now
@RealationGames
@RealationGames 10 жыл бұрын
So detailed story that I actually thought this was true and wondered how could I have missed those news...
@davidpox
@davidpox 10 жыл бұрын
Yup! I thought it was real and I was like "Huh? did I sleep through that day or something?" but then I read the description :p
@hellterminator
@hellterminator 9 жыл бұрын
It took me a while to figure out, too. I mean I did once completely miss the hockey world championship (as in I had no idea whatsoever that it was happening until 2 days after it had ended) but IT news of this magnitude? I think I would have noticed.
@DanAtuch_Archives
@DanAtuch_Archives 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@mike70377
@mike70377 Жыл бұрын
@@hellterminator didn't even know there was a world hockey championship. Used to play in school though, hated playing on the turf, scraping knees
@Imolos
@Imolos Жыл бұрын
Same
@tommysandal6930
@tommysandal6930 9 жыл бұрын
THIS. Is a prime example of why you should always read descriptions before watching a video. LOL
@francobuzzetti9424
@francobuzzetti9424 9 жыл бұрын
10:20 mins on,, and i read the comments and the description , i was worried.. and surpriced..
@metafis2490
@metafis2490 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, although it is a bit of click bait to not say its fiction in the title.
@GhostInTheShell29
@GhostInTheShell29 9 жыл бұрын
The first time I watched this, I didn't realize it was fictional. I already told several people about this.. Great.. now I gotta tell them it was fictional. Sounded so plausible.
@saeidz.a1280
@saeidz.a1280 9 жыл бұрын
And I was wondering why I've never heard of this.
9 жыл бұрын
GhostInTheShell29 Me too, only after searching the web for corroboration and not finding anything except the text of this video I noticed that it was fictional.
@Chowder77654
@Chowder77654 8 жыл бұрын
It's like the purge, only online.
@brombrombromley
@brombrombromley 7 жыл бұрын
The purge works
@Zaman730
@Zaman730 7 жыл бұрын
BurntToast it would work
@jei5768
@jei5768 7 жыл бұрын
BurntToast It just works dude
@brombrombromley
@brombrombromley 7 жыл бұрын
As they say _the purge works_
@brombrombromley
@brombrombromley 7 жыл бұрын
Precisely
@lemapp
@lemapp 7 жыл бұрын
Back in the early Internet days, I worked at a company doing a presentation to a group of future major companies. An engineer at a remote site, was told to wipe a machine. He executed the command that raced through all of its directories including linkages to main servers. The presentation began to disappear. Unfortunately this also affected the hundreds of sites we hosts around the world. This type of 'simple' failures happens more often than you realize. It's not always reported.
@tobybartels8426
@tobybartels8426 4 жыл бұрын
rm -rf /
@huangjunwei7211
@huangjunwei7211 4 жыл бұрын
sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /*
@kvolikkorozkov
@kvolikkorozkov 3 жыл бұрын
drop database sure is such a powerful sentence
@KF-zb6gi
@KF-zb6gi 2 жыл бұрын
@@tobybartels8426 such terrifying spell
@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI
@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI Жыл бұрын
Someone got fired that day.
@mickeleh
@mickeleh 10 жыл бұрын
A marvelous comical geeky horror fiction with just enough points of specificity and verisimilitude to keep you awake at night.
@The7wc
@The7wc 10 жыл бұрын
"Geeky horror fiction" is the best phrase I can think of to describe it, mostly because of how shockingly feasible it is.
@Sumanitu
@Sumanitu 4 жыл бұрын
5 year old comment I know, but thanks anyway for a new word of the day for me! Surprising too, considering the connotation of the word, that it isn't in the V for Vendetta monologue.
@gesit7120
@gesit7120 3 жыл бұрын
The worst thing is, I remembered the talk a few months later after seeing it and didn't remember this was a fictional story. I told many people about this, like it really happened, well everyone was shocked but believed it.
@riverw4721
@riverw4721 6 жыл бұрын
Tom, if you wrote a novel about this, I would buy it immediately. You had me thrilled for the entire fifteen minutes.
@tomburris8380
@tomburris8380 7 жыл бұрын
At about 6 minutes in, I got convinced to change my password to a random hash. So I open a new tab, and click on my gmail, then click the 'account' button. After the loading wheel spun 30 times, I got an error: "502. That’s an error. The server encountered a temporary error and could not complete your request." And I got very afraid this video wasn't hypothetical.
@icedragon769
@icedragon769 7 жыл бұрын
1: changing your password doesn't help this attack scenario 2: random passwords are bad passwords unless they are also long and have caps, numbers, and special characters, in which case they are not rememberable. If you want to be secure, you need a password manager.
@feisty-trog-12345
@feisty-trog-12345 7 жыл бұрын
May I ask what this vulnerability is?
@feisty-trog-12345
@feisty-trog-12345 7 жыл бұрын
***** That problem is pretty trivial actually. The application itself can only check for updates on its own, not download them, so the worst that could happen on that side would be that a user thinks he needs an update when he doesn't. The website also uses HTTP, which means that a MitM attack could send the user a malicious file, which can be checked against by looking at the certificate. I don't really think it's a security issue when you're just a bit careful. Sidenote: I just love how Softpedia makes it sound like KeePass could update itself or that KeeFarce can just unlock any file. Really great journalism.
@feisty-trog-12345
@feisty-trog-12345 7 жыл бұрын
The specific article is actually not relevant, a simple google search shows more than enough results (including the note on the official website). You're right, even though and especially since you use a password manager, you still have to be wary of malware. Just goes to show that you should always be careful with your passwords and the security of your PC. I'm quite curious how much actual spyware there is for client side password managers. You'd think that the cross section between the people who constantly get their PC infected and the users of password managers is rather small, but there might also be a false sense of security there which leads to more carefree behaviour. I do think that your file is more secure, as long as the editor you're using doesn't write unencrypted backups or something terrible like that. However I personally prefer my password manager, since it's better suited to handle large amounts of accounts as well as giving me the ability to more easily find weaknesses in my pseudonymity. The tradeoff between convenience and security is worth it to me.
@josgeerink9434
@josgeerink9434 7 жыл бұрын
+Politiekman ben je Nederlands?
@weesalikesmilktea4829
@weesalikesmilktea4829 5 жыл бұрын
"OH GOB I ACCIDENTALLY FILMED VERTICALLY" "Oh gob oh gob oh gob OKAY STAY CALM *WHAT DO WE DO"* "uh, uh, LETS PUT THE SLIDES NEXT TO IT " "phew, nice save" "thanks dude"
@GibusWearingMann
@GibusWearingMann 4 жыл бұрын
To be honest it is a remarkably smart way to film and format a presentation for the Internet.
@lucasbrehm4323
@lucasbrehm4323 4 жыл бұрын
Oh gob
@no1mayorofsimpleton
@no1mayorofsimpleton 4 жыл бұрын
Oh gob
@anythingbutmyrealname
@anythingbutmyrealname 4 жыл бұрын
Oh gob
@kuylardev
@kuylardev 4 жыл бұрын
oh gob
@TristanBomber
@TristanBomber 9 жыл бұрын
For fucks sake, can nobody see the (Fictional) in the title?
@TomScottGo
@TomScottGo 9 жыл бұрын
TristanBomb That's because I only added the (Fictional) a couple of weeks ago, after people didn't notice the (Fictional) in the description!
@TristanBomber
@TristanBomber 9 жыл бұрын
***** Ah, that makes sense.
@mav6771
@mav6771 8 жыл бұрын
***** I was wondering why I didn't remember this xD
@creeperslayer505
@creeperslayer505 8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Scott Change the title back so we can continue trolling people
@CoacoBudder
@CoacoBudder 7 жыл бұрын
+Tom Scott We must prepare 17 sacrifices a day to feed the holy Google.
@hecko-yes
@hecko-yes 7 жыл бұрын
Imagine the blame tech support all around the world would unfairly get. "HELLO MY GOOGLE ISN'T WORKING PLEASE FIX IT" "Sir, we can't do anything abo" "I DON'T CARE I'M LOSING 50000 DOLLARS AN HOUR I NEED THIS FIXED NOW"
@Spoonable
@Spoonable 4 жыл бұрын
Sobsz hold on I recognise your username.
@AlicjaDee
@AlicjaDee 4 жыл бұрын
I used to work in tech support for a while and that's actually what some people told me
@paulweaver5624
@paulweaver5624 4 жыл бұрын
"Maybe you should have been paying me 50000 dollars an hour then"
@pandaqwanda
@pandaqwanda 7 ай бұрын
do i know you
@hecko-yes
@hecko-yes 7 ай бұрын
@@pandaqwanda sona a
@Pantsmode
@Pantsmode 4 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: do not put "return: true;" on top of any code.
@codinghub3759
@codinghub3759 3 жыл бұрын
What if, I want to make a boolean function. And it will have to take some time to code it. Visual Studio will keep saying it, and so I just add it. Though sometimes, I do forget to remove it, and wonder why the false statement isn't working.
@TheGodlikeBlock
@TheGodlikeBlock 3 жыл бұрын
Coding Hub i always have "functions that would return a bool but i wanna write them later" always default to false ^^
@ghosty918
@ghosty918 3 жыл бұрын
What you should do is set a "Dev_Variable1" as true and a "Dev_Variable2" as False. Whenever you want to do that boolean stuff you throw a reference to the Dev variables. Before you commit, delete the Dev Variables and see what throws errors.
@vojtechstrnad1
@vojtechstrnad1 3 жыл бұрын
Your IDE/linter should warn you of the dead code, and you should have automated tests that would detect that your code isn't running correctly.
@1p2k-223
@1p2k-223 3 жыл бұрын
What if the return: true; was for "If the user was logged OUT"?
@antler4979
@antler4979 8 жыл бұрын
Single Point of Failure: The (Real) Day KZfaqrs Forgot To Check Video Descriptions
@the.abhiram.r
@the.abhiram.r 6 жыл бұрын
Antler ourmine are back (read the description)
@SillyTheWhen
@SillyTheWhen Жыл бұрын
Why is the way Tom says “as their phones quietly erase themselves” so iconic
@ReddStrider
@ReddStrider 8 ай бұрын
Oh hi
@egot1stical
@egot1stical 7 жыл бұрын
One account. All of Google. ☺
@plumeater1
@plumeater1 7 жыл бұрын
Only if you know the username?
@1973Washu
@1973Washu 7 жыл бұрын
A screen name can differ significantly from a username and that is at least something.
@fdagpigj
@fdagpigj 7 жыл бұрын
but the part after /user/ in your yt channel's URL (if you have a pre-googleplus account) is sufficient for logging in, is it not?
@tiagodarkpeasant
@tiagodarkpeasant 6 жыл бұрын
or the email, so if you ever sent a email to me, i can login in your account, them go to your blizzard account , reset the password and erase all your characters, it is even easier to erase your yout tube account
@spencermitchell5951
@spencermitchell5951 6 жыл бұрын
All of Google. One account.
@Borjigin.
@Borjigin. 9 жыл бұрын
DEAR LORD. I WATCHED 13 MINUTES OF THIS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT IT WAS FICTIONAL. It's only good fortune that made me look at the description before telling someone / everyone, or Googling (funny enough) to try to figure out why the hell I hadn't heard about this. You really should have included something at the beginning of the video. Really. Extremely irresponsible.
@NathanTAK
@NathanTAK 9 жыл бұрын
Or in the title
9 жыл бұрын
Nathan T This.
@Fabelaz
@Fabelaz 9 жыл бұрын
Why? Watching all this not knowing that's fictional was quite amazing for me :D
@legendariersgaming
@legendariersgaming 9 жыл бұрын
Dmitry Dronov Why? Because I ended up telling people about it and now they all think that Google screwed up and all this crazy stuff happened and they didn't hear about it. Only AFTER that did I realize it was fictional.
@Fabelaz
@Fabelaz 9 жыл бұрын
***** lol
@ctyoung16
@ctyoung16 9 жыл бұрын
I didn't read the description and I totally had a War of the Worlds moment just now...
@BobfromSydney
@BobfromSydney 5 жыл бұрын
Tom Scott just channelled Tom Clancy for 13 minutes.
@jaykay4137
@jaykay4137 8 жыл бұрын
This is why I use [undisclosed email service] instead of Google as my primary email service. Nobody uses [undisclosed email service], so nobody would bother attacking [undisclosed email service].
@jaykay4137
@jaykay4137 7 жыл бұрын
I can neither confirm nor deny this.
@gonetea4081
@gonetea4081 7 жыл бұрын
I use one that technically no longer exsists
@PumpkinHeadJim
@PumpkinHeadJim 7 жыл бұрын
sigaint
@PixelPickaxe
@PixelPickaxe 7 жыл бұрын
Vivaldi mail?
@peardude8979
@peardude8979 7 жыл бұрын
Hotmail?
@deathsheir2035
@deathsheir2035 9 жыл бұрын
you sir, are very good at telling stories. If it wasn't for me liking to read descriptions, to see what sources you used, I would have never known this was fictional. I also wouldn't have done much of anything even if this was true.
@natevonhartleben2737
@natevonhartleben2737 9 жыл бұрын
***** idk, they were careless before, there was a program from google offering 5k for any bugs found in software, and there was a command left in the code from the early days of KZfaq, which would allow for the removal of any video, or all videos at once, and that was found not too long ago, by a guy who luckily was nice enough to reveal it to google rather than the rest of the world. That, my friend, is carelessness lol.
@natevonhartleben2737
@natevonhartleben2737 9 жыл бұрын
***** What is the gain by killing people? Terrorists see it as a benefit because it scares people, if people see it as for the greater good, whatever their motive, they do it. You sir, seem to be a believer that 9/11 was an inside job, because you can't see past monetary motive. It was performed because they thought they were doing something for the greater good. No one benefited from it... why can't you understand that? I'm taking cs50 classes, so I'm still new to coding, but I have an understanding, and coding has very little to do with your argument, that they have a "database" which again, is entirely speculation on at which point did they obtain this backup. I understand your argument, it is just wrong lol, put simply.
@deathsheir2035
@deathsheir2035 9 жыл бұрын
Nate Von Hartleben 1. If KZfaq didn't have a backup database, then every video that is taken down (let's say copyright claim) would be incapable of being restored (copyright claim challenged and succeeded). Yet they are capable of restoring videos, therefore they have a backup database. You saying "that they have a "database" which again, is entirely speculation on at which point did they obtain this backup," is completely ignorant. 2. I agree that coding and having a backup doesn't go hand-in-hand. You don't need a backup, but you would be stupid not to have one. 3. I do agree that monetary value isn't the sole reason. That still doesn't excuse you jumping straight to 9/11. You simply needed to mention other motivations upon which people can act upon. ***** 4. Other motivations people can act upon: A. To cause panic B. Just to prove that they can (whether to self or to friends) C. Try and get people off the computers and into the real world (though that would require the shutting down of more than just a single website) D. Other (that isn't listed and I haven't thought of) E. All of the above rolled into a nice little package. I find this conversation interesting, because it went somewhere I didn't mean for it to go. But now it's getting tiresome. Can you please stop the discussion?
@natevonhartleben2737
@natevonhartleben2737 9 жыл бұрын
You could have the access to the videos removed rather than removing the videos altogether, nullifying the need for a backup. And i think my statement was misunderstood, I meant that we didn't know at which point a backup system would have been implemented, although it probably would've been implemented when the value of the company was seen as significant, meaning before that point, there was a point of significant value the company had, and also that line of code allowing for it's deletion also existed. To explain my jump to 9/11, it was a simple reference to make, easily the most recognizable act of terrorism in at least American history. With this comment I say my last piece, and will respectfully close my argument.
@patentlypaul1832
@patentlypaul1832 7 жыл бұрын
Death's Heir /)
@vsolyomi
@vsolyomi 2 жыл бұрын
"It takes more than a single point of failure to change the world..." I'd say exactly three - a bat, a civet and a human wanting an exotic snack
@SharpAssKnittingNeedles
@SharpAssKnittingNeedles 2 жыл бұрын
"And thus a pandemic was born...."
@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme
@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme 2 жыл бұрын
@@SharpAssKnittingNeedles 23*
@ElectricPandemic
@ElectricPandemic 10 жыл бұрын
I had a horrific moment watching this of thinking "Why don't I remember this happening!? Surely this is something that would stick in my mind!" before I realised it was fiction. You had me scared there, Tom!
@PhazonSouffle
@PhazonSouffle 9 жыл бұрын
I for one can't wait for the Internet apocalypse.
@Woodside235
@Woodside235 9 жыл бұрын
PhazonSouffle See you down an Arizona bay.
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 8 жыл бұрын
+Woodside I'm already here, it's unusually cold right now for some reason.
@realscapegoat592
@realscapegoat592 9 жыл бұрын
I would be a Self-Burner, I would destroy my own account so nobody stole my information
@kito4525
@kito4525 6 жыл бұрын
Backup and delete
@supercool1312
@supercool1312 5 жыл бұрын
realscapegoat so a defender
@Multibe150
@Multibe150 5 жыл бұрын
@@kito4525 Google has already done the backup for you (Both in this scenario and in real life), so this is the smartest plan in a situation like this.
@sirrivet9557
@sirrivet9557 4 жыл бұрын
Ahaha my accounts have nothing on them but shitposts. And I have zero personal information
@Leekodot15
@Leekodot15 2 жыл бұрын
@@sirrivet9557 ALL your accounts? Keyword: ALL. If you leave a single account with personal info, then you're toast.
@henmasman
@henmasman 7 жыл бұрын
THIS WOULD MAKE AN GREAT MOVIE
@sprytt
@sprytt 7 жыл бұрын
An great movie. An great move?! AN GREAT MOVIE?!?
@siquod
@siquod 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, if you write in all caps, the indefinite article is obviously always AN, otherwise it would sound stupid when read/screamed out. Don't tell me you didn't know this basic rule⸮
@verdatum
@verdatum 6 жыл бұрын
How the hell would you shoot it?? A bunch of people, staring at there phones, going "Oh no! Oh NO! OH NO!!" for two hours?? Good novel, sure. But I can think of hundreds of ways this would make a horrible movie.
@noahjames9457
@noahjames9457 6 жыл бұрын
Henry Lange This would make an even better book.
@zhgt8853
@zhgt8853 5 жыл бұрын
Henry Lange welp they makin it into a movie m8
@bahazbz
@bahazbz 4 жыл бұрын
I literally just now realized Tom Scott wears the same red T-shirt in almost every appearance.
@youtubecommenter-on9kd
@youtubecommenter-on9kd 6 жыл бұрын
I notice a significant lack of DOS impacts - there would be an essentially astronomical increase in traffic, when EVERYONE with an internet connection would be logging on to EVERYTHING - reading about the news or watching videos on it; determining which of their accounts was linked to gmail and which (thankfully) weren't; and trying to fill the defender, detective or burner roles you presented --- and that's not even including those intentionally increasing (manually or via scripts that may already be waiting to take advantage of something like this happened) the impact of their intentionally disruptive DDOS schemes.
@OnlyKaerius
@OnlyKaerius 2 жыл бұрын
This is the only scenario in which DDOS is actually a defender mechanism.
@dzaima
@dzaima 2 жыл бұрын
Well, by now there has been at least one major outage for both Google and Facebook, and neither had *too* much of an effect on other sites. Sure, the scenario in the video would be worse, but not too much worse I'd guess.
@TheDavidLiou
@TheDavidLiou 9 жыл бұрын
Time to write a new novel dude :P
@justinhu8
@justinhu8 8 жыл бұрын
+Liou David I would read that.
@20mitchyitchy02
@20mitchyitchy02 8 жыл бұрын
I would love to read that
@brettefantomet
@brettefantomet 8 жыл бұрын
YES! i would SOOO read it
@memesmemesmemesmemesmemesm1654
@memesmemesmemesmemesmemesm1654 8 жыл бұрын
Idk how to read
@ryan-ltt
@ryan-ltt 8 жыл бұрын
Digital Fortress by Dan brown. instead of Google being hacked, it was the NSA
@ActuallyIsScorpion
@ActuallyIsScorpion 9 жыл бұрын
i absolutely thought it was real until i finished the video. tom scott you're brilliant.
@NotNite
@NotNite 8 жыл бұрын
If this really happened: 1. I would download ALL my files and try and secure my account from anything I couldn't protect. 2. Go into everyone's account.
@brucebaker810
@brucebaker810 8 жыл бұрын
+NiteDasher So defense against the offensive...but then be offensive. Nice. Actually, not.
@mrWade101
@mrWade101 8 жыл бұрын
+Teddy Frozevelt I don't use Gmail ;)
@HarmonicVector
@HarmonicVector 8 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha.
@mrWade101
@mrWade101 8 жыл бұрын
***** Idc about my youtube, and my google and I don't have a Gmail account, why would I?
@mrWade101
@mrWade101 8 жыл бұрын
***** sooooo?
@woodfur00
@woodfur00 7 жыл бұрын
Well damn. And I'd be the one person locked out of secure interaction because I didn't put my trust in Facebook.
@debesys6306
@debesys6306 7 жыл бұрын
Well, I have pretty much abandoned my gmail. I only use it for youtube comments. So uh, I probably wouldn't be effected too much; despite not using facebook. Ye...
@woodfur00
@woodfur00 7 жыл бұрын
Lilly S You know Google owns KZfaq, right?
@debesys6306
@debesys6306 7 жыл бұрын
woodfur00 Yes, but the worst anyone can do on my youtube is do hate comments or delete it.
@woodfur00
@woodfur00 7 жыл бұрын
Lilly S But would you have a secure way to communicate with people?
@debesys6306
@debesys6306 7 жыл бұрын
woodfur00 Text. Or Calling them. I don't really talk to people though unless I'm with them in person. Sometimes I don't even go on youtube, so I might not even notice xD
@SallyLePage
@SallyLePage 10 жыл бұрын
Really good video - very thought-provoking, and your storytelling is excellent. In fact, all your videos over the past year or so have been particularly good. I look forward to seeing more :)
@osdever
@osdever 3 жыл бұрын
Why do you dress like him
@TemphinFD
@TemphinFD 2 жыл бұрын
@@osdever LMAO
@almostcertainlynotapotato6528
@almostcertainlynotapotato6528 2 жыл бұрын
@@osdever Sally, Tom, Jay Foreman and all these people belong to the same circles. (why do you think they dress like him though?)
@nekolalia3389
@nekolalia3389 5 жыл бұрын
This is a GeekyConf presentation about a future. Not *the* future; just *a* future.
@juxtalightborne3253
@juxtalightborne3253 8 жыл бұрын
Dear hackers... I have a challenge for you...
@thewizard1152
@thewizard1152 8 жыл бұрын
it's been 2 months could you tell us already mate
@aceman0000099
@aceman0000099 8 жыл бұрын
hahahahahahahaha
@diamondengineering7507
@diamondengineering7507 7 жыл бұрын
Knock knock
@CanyonF
@CanyonF 7 жыл бұрын
Sure, they can totally just hack Google. That's defiantly doable
@CanyonF
@CanyonF 7 жыл бұрын
***** Fair enough
@DubsRoss
@DubsRoss 8 жыл бұрын
"The backup you haven't done in a while" Shit.... Now I have to find my external hard drive.
@markes4465
@markes4465 2 жыл бұрын
I find it amusing that KZfaq decided to recommend this video to me, a few days after I accidentally leaked my personal most secure password into a public repository to the main branch
@Valery0p5
@Valery0p5 2 жыл бұрын
When you suddenly wipe your BGP routing tables and deplatform yourself, all of your workers, technicians and engineers: Press F
@joblessalex
@joblessalex 7 жыл бұрын
Everything this guy does is interesting.
@Ruminations09
@Ruminations09 9 жыл бұрын
I recognize that this story is false, but one thing I'm really curious about is the "Trusted Five" part of the story. I googled "Google's trusted 5" as well as "Maria Christensen" and nothing related other than this very video showed up, but having only 5, or at least some small-ish number of coders as the only ones allowed to touch the core code sounds very believable, so I'm curious about how true it is.
@JH1010IsAwesome
@JH1010IsAwesome 8 жыл бұрын
Unless someone goes crazy or devotes a ridiculous amount of their life to ruining your company, it's a pretty safe way to run things.
@ceruchi2084
@ceruchi2084 4 жыл бұрын
In my organization we have the O5 Council, but if you figure out any of their actual identities you get given amnesia meds and fed to a giant superintelligent crocodile.
@williamwhitehouse8741
@williamwhitehouse8741 4 жыл бұрын
_scp 762 has escaped containment_
@SLUGGURATH
@SLUGGURATH 3 жыл бұрын
@@williamwhitehouse8741 how can scp 762 escape containment? its just an inanimate coffin
@vojtechstrnad1
@vojtechstrnad1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ceruchi2084 Why would they give the person amnesia meds if they're going to feed them to a crocodile anyway? Is it so that you can't tell the crocodile?
@ThatBiohazardGuy
@ThatBiohazardGuy 4 жыл бұрын
“Facebook became the most trusted site” that ages like fine milk.
@noizepusher7594
@noizepusher7594 11 ай бұрын
One underrated thing about this story is that the password glitch was intentional. Knowing Tom I would’ve thought that he would’ve made the source of the glitch a simple accident by a reckless executive but it is much more interesting that it was an intentional attack. This top CEO who was one of the “trusted five” who has access to Google’s code decides to let everything burn. Her manifesto is provocative and hopeful and perfect for the tone of the story.
@madmanmortonyt4890
@madmanmortonyt4890 3 жыл бұрын
Tom Scott's alt history scenarios are always a treat
@ughhhhhhhhhhhjhh
@ughhhhhhhhhhhjhh 2 жыл бұрын
this aged like a fine wine
@d9zirable
@d9zirable 3 жыл бұрын
This was a warning message.
@Thoressau
@Thoressau 2 жыл бұрын
"Facebook became the most trusted site" that one is becoming like a fine wine
@kuroexmachina
@kuroexmachina 2 жыл бұрын
aged like fine milk
@kadmii
@kadmii 2 жыл бұрын
This seems strangely relevant now
@Aniruddha_godbole
@Aniruddha_godbole 2 жыл бұрын
Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram are globally down due to unknown reason 4 oct 2021 evening GMT
@Ahead144
@Ahead144 9 жыл бұрын
Actually thought this was real, until i read the description. But made me realise how much i have centered around one account. Thanks for opening my eyes
@johannstark8040
@johannstark8040 2 жыл бұрын
The anxiety this video gives me is telling me to throw my computer into a lake and go live in the woods forever
@xkcdstickfigure
@xkcdstickfigure 5 жыл бұрын
"Thank you very much, I've been Tom Scott, Enjoy the rest of the Show" Who you going to be next time?
@DonovanDMC
@DonovanDMC 4 жыл бұрын
"This too, shall pass" is a quote I've been using for years, love it.
@TheRealFlenuan
@TheRealFlenuan 9 жыл бұрын
It took me five minutes to realize this was fictional.
@ABaumstumpf
@ABaumstumpf 9 жыл бұрын
The Real Flenuan Yeah, when he said Facebook was used for trusted communication :D
@jothain
@jothain 9 жыл бұрын
The Real Flenuan I looked pretty much through whole thing wondering pretty much all the time "how the heck have I missed this thing?". Even tried to search for Christiansens current state until figured out that something is not quite right :)
@cameronwebster6866
@cameronwebster6866 9 жыл бұрын
The Real Flenuan it took me watching it for a second time to figure it out.
@TheRealFlenuan
@TheRealFlenuan 9 жыл бұрын
Cameron Webster Haha, damn…
@imslackingrightnow9765
@imslackingrightnow9765 6 жыл бұрын
Jeez Tom, you're so good at making fake things seem real that you should work for The Onion!
@noizepusher7594
@noizepusher7594 11 ай бұрын
I’d love it if he made nerdy onion stories, it would be great
@delfikpro7375
@delfikpro7375 2 жыл бұрын
Time for a yearly rewatch!
@ReyosBlackwood
@ReyosBlackwood 2 жыл бұрын
The single point of failure wasn't passwords and it wasn't google. It was facebook running everything through facebook and accidentally deleting their DNS entries.
@thatonecookie242
@thatonecookie242 Жыл бұрын
is this referring to a real event?
@NiklasVWWV
@NiklasVWWV Жыл бұрын
Also wondering
@ABT554
@ABT554 8 ай бұрын
Yes it is. There was a huge "outage" of all Facebook systems some time ago because there was a Problem with their DNS configuration. I remember it very fondly because I hate FB with all my heart and rejoice whenever something bad happens to them ^^@@thatonecookie242
@mangoscrub
@mangoscrub 3 жыл бұрын
Watching this just after the Google crash of 2020 makes this frighteningly more realistic
@antg1597
@antg1597 3 жыл бұрын
Same, friends are worrying if we should change our password immediately.
@floatingblaze8405
@floatingblaze8405 3 жыл бұрын
The single point of failure is the same: The Login API. Just instead of a massive breach of privacy, we got the most impactful DoS against google's whole infrastructure.
@albertjackinson
@albertjackinson 3 жыл бұрын
There was a crash? Why didn't I know?
@antg1597
@antg1597 3 жыл бұрын
@@albertjackinson just a few hours of outage on Dec 14, 2020. It wouldn't cause a glitch on your experience if not online that time
@pianopianist5709
@pianopianist5709 2 жыл бұрын
The time when Google and youtube were taken down for a few hours for updates? I'm actually surprised at how I don't know about it.
@Skazzy3YT
@Skazzy3YT 2 жыл бұрын
Facebook lmao
@umnikos
@umnikos 7 жыл бұрын
9:45 Just now I realised this is all FICTIONAL... damn it seemed so real to me...
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 8 жыл бұрын
Wow. That sent chills up my spine. Fantastic work, Tom!
@HenirHerrscher
@HenirHerrscher 3 жыл бұрын
Single Point of Failure: The Day (14/12/2020) Google Actually Shut Down For 30 Minutes
@tux1468
@tux1468 3 жыл бұрын
Good thing I slept through it.
@pianopianist5709
@pianopianist5709 2 жыл бұрын
How come I don't know anything about it? Can you please explain what happened?
@durchschnittlich
@durchschnittlich 8 жыл бұрын
I forgot so many times that it's only fictional
@mistaecco
@mistaecco 7 жыл бұрын
This is so fascinating, I've watched it dozens of times but still will a dozen more times I bet.
@richardtimmsdesign
@richardtimmsdesign 7 жыл бұрын
This needs to be a movie.
@luigigaminglp
@luigigaminglp 4 жыл бұрын
The video is 5 years old, and i already watched it at least time, yet here it is back in my youtube feed. And honestly, this video deserves this.
@ladymilliejean4166
@ladymilliejean4166 7 жыл бұрын
The Purge: Internet Edition
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 9 жыл бұрын
There are several reasons why this could never happen. (Disclosure: I was a Google SRE, most of this will be vague because it would otherwise contain some proprietary Google information.) 0) Google SREs. An entire group of engineers whose values intrinsically value reliability, stability and dependability. 1) Google doesn't run 24h oncalls for critical infrastructure. They run 12h oncalls between two sites at least 8 hours apart. 2) Google has an in-company "open source" design where any engineer can access nearly any source code. So, someone, somewhere, could roll this back. 3) Google corp uses two-factor authentication. No one could ever login far enough to remote wipe any coworker's phone. (Not that it matters, the oncall is awake anyways. cf. #1) 4) all Google engineers have a laptop setup and ready to get onto the corp network and work on code-securely-from anywhere in the internet. 5) Google has continuous tests running and, someone, somewhere, at Google is running a test against this. When it triggers, pager storm. The likelihood against this, even in the face of malicious intent, lasting for longer than 5 minutes is so many 9's that you might as well consider it 1.
@magnum3.14
@magnum3.14 9 жыл бұрын
puellanivis at least point 3 was mentioned in the story. The fictional code change also ruled out two-factor authentification and other checks
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 9 жыл бұрын
danielcw Different code, different owners. One person cannot unilaterally remove both the password and two-factor authentication without at least one other person approving the checkin... which in this scenario would require two people with malicious intent. ... also, it wouldn't make sense to make this change when everyone is in the office, so we're talking about a person who is already in London/Dublin, and thus wouldn't need to take a plane flight to Europe. Which also means the two actors with malicious intent would have had to orchestrate their on-calls shifts to overlap. Honestly, with the inhouse knowledge, the best time to get this commit through would be end-of-day Friday... when SREs pretty much universally are going to lynch you for doing any sort of checkin... I realize that the idea is to contrive an example to say "what if..." but these sorts of "what if"s are the exact thing that SREs are tasked with preventing.
@flyaround312
@flyaround312 8 жыл бұрын
+puellanivis Because if you THINK your security is infallible and you can't come up with a way it could fail, then it's impossible for it to fail in some novel way no one considered or realized was possible, right?
@puellanivis
@puellanivis 8 жыл бұрын
+Privacy Lover It's not that I think their security is infallible. It's that the particularly "novel" way that Tom describes is not actually novel and couldn't happen at Google. So, to be clear, this is not some "novel way no one considered or realized"... sure there could be a different way that this specific scenario (Google stops checking password validity) could happen, but nothing he actually described is possible.
@GeoNeilUK
@GeoNeilUK 8 жыл бұрын
+puellanivis But he did say it was fictional and does he even _have_ inside knowledge at Google? Furthermore, he just used Google as an example of a company that wouldn't sue him. He could have picked Microsoft (which would have been entertaining him describing all those Windows 8 and Windows 10 PCs going doolally because the user's main account is linked to a Microsoft online account) Apple, Facebook, any system. It's why I find it hilarious that all these commenters are specifically talking about Google.
@evilparkin
@evilparkin 10 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff. This is the Tom Scott I'm subscribed for - interesting hypotheticals followed through in vivid detail. Great work! :)
@Roto255
@Roto255 10 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most interesting speeches I've seen in a while... I stumbled on this video after a tweet by a Mojang member (ironic, because I used my gmail to register for twitter) and it freaked me out, in a good way. I would love to see more vids like these!
@eldrago19
@eldrago19 5 жыл бұрын
"And logs out, which is ironic because logging out doesn't mean anything anymore" Tom Scott is wonderful.
@nedgeake4081
@nedgeake4081 2 жыл бұрын
Remarkably prescient, this. Not exactly what seems to have happened but still fun to watch as Facebook burns
@B1gBoyPants
@B1gBoyPants 3 жыл бұрын
I loved every moment of this. So glad KZfaq recommended it to me today- years later.
@watchletter
@watchletter Жыл бұрын
I often come back to his because the quote "the world doesnt get changed through a single point of failure" just stuck with me
@meribold
@meribold 3 жыл бұрын
Who's here after the Google outage?
@vojtechstrnad1
@vojtechstrnad1 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, so THAT'S why I just got this video in my recommended.
@eppssilon
@eppssilon 3 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a really good plot for anything: a game, a movie, a book, anything
@henrikwannheden7114
@henrikwannheden7114 10 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent talk about a very plausible What If scenario with enormous repercussions that truly would be impossible to foresee.
@remorsefulidiot4326
@remorsefulidiot4326 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when we had a data breach with an active attacker inside our network , everyone was freaking out and I literally went to the firewall and unplugged it from WAN
@clray123
@clray123 4 жыл бұрын
The code-to-production release process works like that in small screwy shops (Dropbox apparently being one of them), but in case of modifying widely used software, and especially security critical pieces of it, and especially where lotsa money is involved, there is a formal code review / signoff process that requires multiple persons to become involved before anything goes "live".
@v-vanilla5259
@v-vanilla5259 3 жыл бұрын
“The trusted five” *Scp vibes intensify*
@wenlock8069
@wenlock8069 3 жыл бұрын
The trusted 13 for the O-5 but yes
@heatherosullivanlewis5791
@heatherosullivanlewis5791 5 жыл бұрын
I've watched this so many times already, and I don't think I'll ever get sick of it
@andreabutitsruth
@andreabutitsruth 3 жыл бұрын
5:47- “In most cases, you have access to their full search history...” Writers, especially you crime novelists, this is your cue to have a panic attack.
@herohamp2
@herohamp2 8 жыл бұрын
We need more of these I loved it!
@KayleLang
@KayleLang 9 жыл бұрын
I was going "how the hell did I miss this story." I started googling and nothing but this video came up. Then I read the comments, which pointed me to the description. This is why I always check multiple sources and not immediately repost everything.
@glueee2621
@glueee2621 8 жыл бұрын
One of Tom's best talks, well done man.
@PrakritiSinha
@PrakritiSinha 10 жыл бұрын
This just became my favorite video on KZfaq. I can't thank you enough.
@HouseBricksDoor187
@HouseBricksDoor187 4 жыл бұрын
"4chan entered chat" "You have lost connection to the server"
@danr.5017
@danr.5017 7 жыл бұрын
Why hasn't Hollywood picked ths sup yet? This would be an amazing thriller.
@nmaurok
@nmaurok 8 жыл бұрын
I loved the ending! You are amazing and so are your videos. Cheer!
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