Sinn 104 I St Sa Review - Great watch or over-hyped?

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Sinn 104 I St Sa Review - Great watch or over-hyped?

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Bruce Williams

Күн бұрын

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@richards4492 5 жыл бұрын

My Sinn 104 with white face has become my go to. Love it. At the end of the day we should pay for what sparks emotion in us, not for some perceived value in a name brand, or in some vain attempt to impress. I have more expensive timepieces but nothing hits the mark better for me.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Yes! Buy what you love and don't care what others think. Very much agree

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree. I just picked up the White Dial incomeing tomorrow...CANT WAIT!!

@LondonLex 5 жыл бұрын

I bought my black face as I just totally fell in love with it...it’s gorgeous...seeing it for the first time made me say “wow” out loud (when I was on my own!!!!) 🤭

@benohanlon 5 жыл бұрын

I want that white dial with Arabic numerals... it's driving me mad.

@r0nkh0815 3 жыл бұрын

Selitta and ETA movements are interchangeable and almost identical. A statement like ETA is way better than Selitta is nonsense.

@thepatientcollector3769 5 жыл бұрын

This watch made me sell all my others because I wouldn't wear them anymore. The Sinn 104 turned me into a one-watch-guy! I wore this while while skydiving, diving, swimming in the ocean, exploring the jungle, chilling at lake Baikal at -30C... It's a bit scratched up now but I would never sell it! For me, it's the perfect every-day-watch...

@thepatientcollector3769 5 жыл бұрын

And it's robust! I dropped it twice on concrete ground, still keeps ticking like nothing happened.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Dude that is AWESOME

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

Pretty cool man. Even wore it diving?

@thepatientcollector3769 5 жыл бұрын

@@jasonriccoboni5931 Yes sir, Great Barrier Reef in February 2018

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

@@thepatientcollector3769 That’s friggin cool. I always did look at the 104 as a hybrid. Aesthetics of a pilot with the size, screw down crown and water resistance of a diver. IMO, I think I’m going to love this watch.

@KleinAB 5 жыл бұрын

You can find them almost-new for ~1000USD. I've been wearing mine for a year now on a NATO (it is a strap monster) and have no complaints. I'm a pilot and it gets banged around the cockpit quit a bit and it still looks brand new, great lume, and keeps excellent time (within 5 seconds a day). This watch reminds me of a good pair jeans - wear it with a tshirt to do yard work, jump on your motorcycle for a ride, throw on a blazer and go out for drinks. The 104 isn't flashy but "watch people" will definitely notice it. Would definitely buy again!

@shipmate3577 4 жыл бұрын

I'm curious if you use the watch in the cockpit... and what do you fly?

@KleinAB 3 жыл бұрын

@Boost , honestly I have to swedge my left arm down between the seat and center console which are both metal to adjust the seat. Easy to scratch up the bezel because it rubs.

@OneTalaw 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve own the 104 (for the past few years), it is practically a perfect watch, only real letdown is the movement, as this watch wants to be constantly worn, if not it will dramatically loose time, however it is very versatile and I have worn on many holidays (on various nato style straps) as my only watch and it proved to be an exceptional timepiece.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome to hear long term owner perspective

@8AP1 5 жыл бұрын

Definitely needs a lot of movement to keep the mainspring fully wound. I have to take give it a few swirls morning and night (on top of wearing it all day) to keep it in the upper end of power reserve.

@paul.huppert 5 жыл бұрын

Having owned the 104 for 3 years now, i wondered if it was just my watch being so in need for movement.. But i definitely agree with you, worn it nearly every day since I've owned it, very versatile indeed!

@wikster6630 2 жыл бұрын

Looking at reviews for this model 3 years later in 2022. Is it worth purchasing for around 1,720 USD now based on long term ownership? I was looking into the 556 line when I came across this model with an anthracite dial and my focus changed. Lol! Beautiful watch! Thanks for any info and enjoy new additions to the collection! Eric

@hislifeinyou 5 жыл бұрын

One thing to add is that its a chronometer grade selita. Sure does make a difference, even if its not COSC certified

@panorama4526 3 жыл бұрын

No, it doesn‘t...

@joseph_432 3 жыл бұрын

No sir. Top grade.

@johnn5738 3 жыл бұрын

Top grade is the same exact parts and construction as chronometer grade it just isn't certified by cosc.

@robertallen5210 2 жыл бұрын

Very good review and I appreciate the fact that the question is being raised and commented on about the value proposition. It would be good to better understand what specifically are the limiting factors of the Sellita movement relative to the ETA. What in actuality would one experience from a negative perspective with the Sellita movement? Greater inaccuracy? Higher degree of wear over time? Increased service costs? What are the actual tangible negatives? Might be good to have a review that focuses on that aspect as it would be very informative. Thanks for the review of this watch as I'm considering one.

@aaronschen9896 5 жыл бұрын

$1330 on strap in the US now. I love mine. It is so versatile and does everything well. I dont mind the SW but i dont really get why it is on display. I think a nice solid caseback with perhaps a bit of decoration suits it better

@roippi3985 5 жыл бұрын

IMO the price point is a lot more compelling on Sinn’s offerings with proprietary tech (tegimented steel, dehumidifying tech, etc). Also in the 856/7 range they get amazing performance out of the 2893, I have one that runs at +1/day. The look might not be for everyone though. Cheers

@johnbradshaw5900 3 жыл бұрын

The Sinn 104 is a superb watch. As a brand Sinn do offer superb design and quality for prices which are very reasonable by the standard of good watches. To be clear you can get a perfectly good watch for a lot less than one of these, but if you do buy a Sinn 104 you are unlikely to feel short changed or regret it. With Sinn there is substance there and I do believe the quality and design justify the price. And that is certainly not a given for pricey watches.

@hanknova7771 5 жыл бұрын

Great choice with the mesh bracelet. I don't like the stock brown leather with that contrast stitching, it just doesn't go. The style is a bit blocky for me, but I love the cursive font "Automatik" on the dial.

@jackforgach1637 5 жыл бұрын

Love my 104, left out many key features about this watch. Domed Sapphire crystal, AR coating both sides. Sapphire crystal on the display back AR coated one side. Count down bezel ( which i find more useful then my divers bezel,as I don't scuba dive). The fact that Sinn has made a Pilots watch water resistant to 20 bar. Ill take these features over having an ETA 2824-2. I do however like the bracelet in the video.

@viktorreiter8811 6 ай бұрын

why do you find the countdown bezel more useful? i don't have one (yet) but i just don't understand it. it can basically be used only when you have a 60 minutes period to time. substracting minutes when i want to simply cook an egg sounds pretty impractial to me.

@jackforgach1637 6 ай бұрын

@@viktorreiter8811 I use it all of the time for tracking time. It seems impractical but I assure you the bezel on a diver is even more impractical. I use it when I put a load of laundry in, when I’m cooking something in the oven. My Zinn has been my most reliable watch. Although it’s due for service as it’s losing some time.

@theturtlesmasher 5 жыл бұрын

Although I only own cheap watches, I certainly don't think this watch is "over-hyped". It's a great watch with a distinct, simple, and classy look to it. When you see it, you know what it is. People below have mentioned other brands like Steinart and Oris. Those are similar quality for less money but I just like this watch better and wouldn't mind paying a little extra to have it.

@craftingmat5425 2 жыл бұрын

2 years late to the party :-) Just wanted to comment on the Oris... I dont think they are of same quality. I hear a lot from Oris movement issues (and I am not talking about jumping hands). I think the Sinn is the better, more reliable pick, the Oris has a bit more "Style", not sure what exactly it is...

@hgr.7857 Жыл бұрын

I concur. Sinn in general, and the 104 in particular, is a secret handshake of sorts for watch geeks. Game recognize game 👀

@johnholkham2420 2 жыл бұрын

Solid reliable watch, you either love or hate style of 104. The 104 is fitted with the Top grade movement which is improved version of Sellita 220 . This means the £150 movement becomes more like £275 movement with better spec. There are several articles where watch makers speak very highly of this Top grade and how it can be very well regulated.

@Trex100 5 жыл бұрын

Funny, for me the countdown bezel is one of my favorite features.

@joseph_432 3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully you know why the sallita is utilized. Also maybe in another video you can provide practical evidence and technical reasoning why the ETA is “better”.

@shipmate3577 4 жыл бұрын

104 is a pretty watch, but everyone's 104 I have seen in person is a scratch magnet. The aluminum bezel requires a ceramic upgrade... it's 2020 for Bismarck's sake!

@RollsRoyceSilverSpur 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not fond of mesh bracelet but for this particular watch it doesn't look shabby at all . I like the way Sinn implements the script character in Day / Date and other watches as well. . It's edgy not roundish which I like a lot .My only gripe would be lack of ceramic bezel regardless in this price point .

@Ecksterphono 5 жыл бұрын

Good historical legacy behind ETA. I have a lot of Schild movements in old Girard Perregaux watches. The precursors ( Urs Schild and Josef Girard) or founders of ETA

@micksumo 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 104 with a selita and a 104 with an ETA. The selita significantly outperforms the ETA in terms of time keeping

@khronokraze 5 жыл бұрын

I really do like the 104's, and I really like the new blue dial version. But, when it comes to the cost with a bracelet, and you're going to want to get it on the bracelet since you really can't buy one later by itself, you're looking close to $1700.. from WatchBuys which is I think the only authorized retailer for Sinn and a lot of other German watches. And, on the 2nd hand market, I'll say they hold their value quite good.. often selling pretty close to new retail price from what I last looked. As such.. IDK,?.. there's a lot of other watches I could get for less, about as much or pay more towards something better before I could commit to buying a 104.. so close, but when I look at other available options, I'm not jumping at the nearest opportunity to buy one and probably would rather get something else at this time in my watch collecting journey.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I feel similarly man

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

Ive had my eye on the piece for quite some time now and finally just purchased. Used market, on bracelet, you are looking at the $1150-$1250 price range and on strap, roughly $900-$1000, on both accounts in mint condition.

@earthenjadis8199 5 жыл бұрын

Consider buying from Iguana Sell UK. that's where I got my Sinn 104 on an h-link bracelet. They are asking 1060 pounds which is about $1,365 USD. They are based in Spain but shipped to me in Australia, by-passing the sole Sinn dealer in my country that is trying to charge $1,580 USD for the same piece. I didn't have an issue with customs charges either but do your homework. Iguana Sell says they take care of the import fees and also offer free shipping.

@cardinalj 5 жыл бұрын

I have had a few Sinn watches. A 103, 104, 556, and UX EZM2B. The only one I have held on to is the UX it is a true beast of a tool watch....the others not so much.

@shipmate3577 4 жыл бұрын

I've owned two Sinn watches, U1 and 556. I was incredibly disappointed with the 556... felt like a $300 watch. The U1 was great, but sold it after owning it 2 years... it was just a little too big and way too heavy as my taste in watches matured. It did love the U1's lego-style hands... very unique. I would wear the Sinn U1 into luxury watch stores, partly because I used it to test the dealer/salesman's watch knowledge, and would often get comments about it and talk about Sinn. I own/owned Rolex, Omega, Sinn, Seiko, Fortis, Squale... in the end I've learned to only buy watches I'm willing to pay a $500 service charge for every 5-10 years.

@garyo4456 4 жыл бұрын

Ok....dollar for dollar, which watch would you select over the Sinn 104??

@TeensierPython 3 жыл бұрын

Probably a Grand Seiko.

@matthewhill3996 4 жыл бұрын

I’d like to hear some names from you of all the other watches in the $1,000-1,500 dollar range that isn’t using Selita. I know damasko used ETA, but I can’t think of many/any others using ETA in that price range. Oris is selita. Not sure about TAG, Longines and some others. Christopher ward used selita. I don’t know any brands outside of Damasko in that $700-$2,000 range using ETA to be honest. I also believe the Sinn 104 uses the top grade selita movement rather than just elabore

@brians2733 3 жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure Baume & Mercier uses ETA movements. I got a Classima chronograph several years ago with the Valjoux 7750 and it only cost me $1100 if I remember correctly.

@danield6815 3 жыл бұрын

Longines use eta !!!

@Trex100 5 жыл бұрын

The aesthetic of this watch is unique. It has a very masculine "precision instrument" look about it. The polished case gives it some sparkle, which in my opinion lends the watch a measure of pizazz. It is not cheap, true, but for people who fall for its looks, it is hard to find anything that matches it. One either "sees" this or not.

@marcocastagnetti7086 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Bruce, it would be nice for watch enthusiasts to know ultimately weather there is a difference between the two but I don't think we'll ever come to a conclusion, anyway it was nice to see someone had the courage to throw that out there you really did throw the gaulent down for debate.

@Fragmat1 3 жыл бұрын

This one actually made me sell my speedmaster a year ago. The speedy barely got any wrist time while i had this at the same time.

@christianrussell9900 5 жыл бұрын

I bought mine new for $1,050 a couple years ago. Good value at that price.

@purplefabian 3 жыл бұрын

They increased in price

@JamesandRibble 5 жыл бұрын

Weren't Swatch / ETA stopping movement sales to third party companies outside swatch group?

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

They were allowed to taper it down and it would be re-assessed in the future. They are still required to produce a certain number for sale outside the Swatch group every year

@situation_zero 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Bruce, see if you can get your hands on a 556A. Beautiful simple dial. H-link bracelet. That is a piece that deserves some consideration. Cheers.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I've borrowed the 556i but agree the a version on h link is my pick. I tried to get sinn to make a blue and anthracite sunburst versions. Ones with applied markers or tegimenting. Even sent them photoshop mock ups. Rob at watchbuys blew it off last year. Now they are releasing the same colors on the 104 and going full tegimenting on the satinized 856 lol

@davedaher7754 4 жыл бұрын

Oris Diver 65 has the same movement. Given they are in the same price point, to me that makes the movement choice easier to swallow.

@ripcityryderz4800 5 жыл бұрын

I think if you were to make a video comparing sellita and eta movements would be an awesome video especially if you could get watchmakers to chime in on the topic. It Would be helpful to let people know what they are buying just because things are similair they are not the same.

@stritheor 4 жыл бұрын

The main problem with the Sinn 104 is there are so many great variants, it's hard to choose which one.

@eljayr4669 5 жыл бұрын

My Oris Aquis gains 6 seconds a day. My Sinn St 104 also gains 6 seconds a day. Both have Sellita movements. I am happy with the Aquis but not so much with the Sinn. I think the Aquis is a better looking watch and accuracy isn’t a problem with that watch as it never gets worn more than two days at a time. I like accuracy which is why I wear a Rolex. I wear the Sinn as well as the Rolex because the Rolex doesn’t have a date. The Sinn is a nice watch but I don’t use it as a timepiece, just a day/date reference.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

If I owned one, I would take it to my watchmaker and pay for the multi-position regulation, and maybe some upgrades. I, like you have been spoiled by excellent accuracy from the likes of Rolex, Omega, and Breitling.

@8AP1 5 жыл бұрын

The Oris is an elabore grade, the Sinn is a top grade, which is the same as the chronometer minus the multi-position timing adjustments. My 104 gains 8 seconds per month when worn daily...it's crazy accurate. However, once the mainspring gets to half power reserve, it's between +4 to +5 SPD.

@craigcooperxyz 5 жыл бұрын

You wear two watches?

@eljayr4669 5 жыл бұрын

Craig Cooper I know it’s sad but I’m afraid it’s true

@MarttiSuomivuori 2 жыл бұрын

ETA vs. Selllita: Swatch in 2019 decided not to sell ETA movements to manufacturers outside its partnerships. Sellita has been in the business for 70 years and provided ETA with components and refined their raw movements. Both ETA and Sellita provide their movements with various specifications, for instance, how they are regulated. This is a more significant issue than the question about ETA or Sellita.

@garyingram5707 4 жыл бұрын

Who makes that bracelet? I need one.

@amritdhaliwal3413 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta admit, you really kill it with the intros. Great review, keep up the good work!

@jefferyneu3915 5 жыл бұрын

I love those bi-directional bezels with detents. I actually think I would be comfortable using that as a dive watch. The detents seem secure enough to me to prevent unintentional movements of the bezel. Nice review Bruce!

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Yes this bezel is not moving on its own!

@mclaughlinja1995 2 жыл бұрын

I have this on the Sinn H-link with black dial and Arabic numerals - it’s an awesome watch, incredibly legible and meticulous build quality.

@ThatKiddmg 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Bruce! Could you please do an updated video on strap and bracelet opinions? That mesh looks great, I’d love to learn more about it and see other options!

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

It's a polished 20mm mesh from the German brand 'staib' they are pricey but are really great quality. I have to send this 104 back today but I would buy one for the right price in the future

@roamy3605 5 жыл бұрын

I hear what you are saying about this Sinn 104. I think at $1,100-$1,200 this would be a tough watch to beat. At $1,500 + it's getting into another price category such as Tudor. But what dive/aviation style watch is better in the $1,400- $1,600 price range? It's really a hard category to buy in. Lots of great watches $700-$1,000 and then again in the $2,000-$2,500 price category.

@Lee_K_5555 5 жыл бұрын

Laco has several dive/aviation style watches (Mojave, Amazonia, Atlantik, Himalaya) in the $1100 range and all have ETA 2824-2s in them. Also, Damasko (DA42, DA44) at the $1400 price point. Again, ETA movements. I think Bruce is very on-point to question the use of a Sellita at the price point that Sinn is asking. Christopher Ward uses the SW-200 and variants for watches that cost 60% of what the Sinn does.

@roamy3605 5 жыл бұрын

@@Lee_K_5555 Yes, I see your point about about this Sinn if you believe the ETA is a better movement than the Sellita. Sinn uses or has used the ETA in their less expensive 556 for a long time so I would assume Sinn has the belief that the Sellita is on par with ETA. I have no proof one way or the other. I know of and have heard watchmakers on KZfaq give an opinion for and against the Sellita compared to the ETA's.

@justvettn 4 жыл бұрын

I just cant get over the painted aluminum bezel insert at this price point, it kinda makes the watch look cheap

@kjart 5 жыл бұрын

Great looking watch, though I wish it was available without day/date. I think the handset, indices and writing on the face are all perfect, and would work just that much better without those complications. Basically need a 104 + 556 hybrid.

@hgr.7857 Жыл бұрын

The 105 has the same overall look (case, indices & hands - I think the hands are the same) but with a date-only complication at the 6 o'clock position for a simpler, gloriously symmetrical look.

@Crackers2549 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with your assesment on the movement and exactly why I purchased an Oris Aquis on the fantastic leather band and it's very unique clasp, ceramic bezel, applied indices etc. Also has a Sellita movement but I got it for a far better price and I do agree the Sinn for me is overpriced for what you get... Excellent review, enjoyed it...

@shawnlavigne9069 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with your opinion on eta vs sellita. It feels like sinn is pulling a fast one on its customers.

@CrepitusRex 5 жыл бұрын

Great review. I can't justify the cost due to their choice of movement. $900.00 maybe. $1500.00 no way.

@jigd0471 5 жыл бұрын

You should consider reviewing the Certina DS PH 200M it uses the Swatch Groups Powermatic 80 movement

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I'll see if I can find one someone is willing to loan

@ronstecher4345 Жыл бұрын

At $1,500 it’s one of the best watches on the market. Fit and finish rivals Breitling at 20% of the cost.

@ElijsDima 5 жыл бұрын

Tbh I agree with you Rob... Sellita isn't as good as an eta, on the basic movements. (Based on personal handling of eta2824 and sellita sw200 & 210-equipped watches and how the movement-operation - like winding, time setting etc. tended to feel). Cannot say much about the STP 1-11 alternative yet.

@omegaknight01 3 жыл бұрын

Sinn 104 combines the two most popular watches in the world, diving and pilot. Congratulations !!! 👍

@jeeperspeepers8323 5 жыл бұрын

My Sinn 556A has gained a total of 4 seconds since Christmas morning. It's the best timekeeper I have ever owned. The 556 still has a ETA2824-2 movement, at least for now. That's the reason I chose the 556 over the 104 with the Selitta movement. The instruction booklet lists the movement in each individual watch. Have the Watchbuys salesperson read it to you over the phone. Watchbuys.com is the only retailer that sells new Sinn watches. They're great people working for a great company. But, whatever watch you wear, with whatever movement it uses, enjoy every second of it.

@JensWeyrich 11 ай бұрын

ETA does sell its Movements only at Members of the Swatch-Group, afaik. Sinn would use ETA, if only they were allowed to buy ETA. My 857 from 2011 does have an ETA Movement. Younger 857s have the Selitta. It´s not Sinn´s fault.

@thekeystonekid8687 5 жыл бұрын

I've always wanted either a Sinn 556 or a 104, but I recently bought a Nodus Contrail 39 and it's like a more visually interesting Sinn 556. I absolutely love it and it saved me a lot of $ in the long run. I still lust after a Sinn U1 though.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

U1s are awesome, Chris let me borrow his last year too

@robertbrangan9617 5 жыл бұрын

I used to think the 104 was the best watch at this price point until I bought the new Oris Aquis. I also think Sinn QC has taken a bit of a dive in recent years.

@michaeltihon3485 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video as always ! Definetely considering a Sinn in my collection. Probably the 103 though. Your bracelet seems very well finished. Could you share a link to the seller ? Is it the one from Gekota ?

@nohandle176 2 жыл бұрын

Your watchmaker is wrong about an ETA 2824 being better than a Sellita SW200. Hopefully you know this now since 3 years have passed.

@EverydayWatchGuy 5 жыл бұрын

I just picked up a Sinn 104 (white dial) last week and was surprised by how well the SW-220 movement keeps time. Annicdodaly it has only lost 1sec per day. Also love the dimensions of the watch, but wish it came on a stock mesh bracelet like in your review.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I hear the fine link and the h link bracelets are really solid from Sinn. Congrats on yours 1 sec per day is awesome!

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

Me too...mine arrives tomorrow, can’t wait.

@swanhtet1 5 жыл бұрын

Nice video and watch. Show us the wrist shot with mesh.

@peter914 6 ай бұрын

Is the strap from Sinn or not..i did not quite get that. If no Sinn - where can I get it! Awesome watch + review!

@vrask7134 5 жыл бұрын

Seems like I may be happy with the SBDC053 in lieu of the White 104... Will still check it out in March in OC.

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

Very different watches. I owned the 051 and currently own the 053 as well. I sold the 051 and am in the process of selling the 053. I decided to sell both of these timepeices for the Sinn 104. I jumped the gun a little and ordered the 104 already, it will be delivered tomorrow. I think I will be much happier with the 104 over the SBDC’s.

@vrask7134 5 жыл бұрын

@@jasonriccoboni5931 keep me posted. I liked the idea of having both but waiting to see it in person and see if it was worth the cost...

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

@@vrask7134 Will do. Member over at WUS?

@vrask7134 5 жыл бұрын

@@jasonriccoboni5931 WUS?

@jasonriccoboni5931 5 жыл бұрын

@@vrask7134 WatchUSeek...big watch forum.

@d3xmeister 5 жыл бұрын

I agree, also from my humble experience with both, I found Selita a bit less ,,stable,, than the ETA. I did not have reliability issues, but on accuracy the ETA watches I have (mostly Hamilton) are just more stable in time keeping, as in less prone to drifts from positioning or other factors like shock and temperature. I like the Sinn, they are very good quality, but to be honest at that pricepoint I see many things I don’t like: Selita movement, painted screws, no antimagnetic resistance, etc.

@swright5690 4 жыл бұрын

Good call on the mesh. Makes it an ideal watch for travel. Dressy enough for dinner and wear it in the pool/sea/ocean without worry.

@Wvk5zc 4 жыл бұрын

It's a decent watch. Imo, it's a confused identity with full polished case. Is it trying to be tool watch or dress watch? Could have been much better with satin finish

@looplop 2 жыл бұрын

love your Videos! Sinn is never overhyped but underestimated imo!

@faisalingalong 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Bruce, great review as usual. I caught your review of the white dial Damasko (from 2015!) and wondered how this compared to that watch? Can you even remember?! Cheers.

@chawenhalo0089 5 жыл бұрын

From what I had read I thought I'd love Sinn watches but IMHO most of their tech is hype and makes little sense other than marketing. The designs are pretty 1990 too. The movements defo are huge letdown at those prices. Shame becsuse some of the innovations are quite cool. I'd love to see the UX2 with a better design and a indestructible high end quartz movement.

@KnifeWatch 4 жыл бұрын

I think you overlooked all of the technological advancements made within this watch. The 200m water resistance and best in class low pressure resistance make this arguably the most versatile watch at $1200 even after five years. The captive bezel is overlooked by almost everyone who reviews this watch as well which means your bezel literally cannot be knocked or bumped into an accidental rotation. Think about the sinn 104 in white, which is a dress watch, dive watch, flight watch and sports watch all in one. What watch under $1500 does that?

@triples4good 5 жыл бұрын

I agree. Its a great watch but not the best and maybe just a little over hyped. I got mine a couple of years ago and it was definitely a better value. At 1500.00+, there might be a few other watches I would consider first. Great video Bruce. BTW, off topic I know, but what are your feelings on the reissue of Omega Cal 321? Cheers.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve. I am really glad Omega is resurrecting it. I'm excited to see how they tie it in to the 50th anniversary of the landing this year. Though I'm worried it will be a limited run that will end up way out of my price range haha

@triples4good 5 жыл бұрын

@@BruceWilliams I agree. My pockets are definitely not deep enough for that LE Moonwatch. I'm hoping they use it in the production model too.

@r00ski_ 5 жыл бұрын

Got mine pre owned with the h-link bracelet, a very decent quality nato, box, papers and all and with shipping for slightly over $1k. Can’t complain, at that price point it’s hard to beat

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

That is a solid price you did well

@r00ski_ 5 жыл бұрын

Took me a while track it at that price, but it’s doable if one is patient and determined enough. I highly recommend giving it a go if the design language speaks to you because the quality is there. I’m having fun with mine, that’s for sure 🙂

@danielefontanini2013 5 жыл бұрын

According to my most recent knowledge, Swatch has cut ETA movement supplies significantly for non-Swatch group brands. This is the reason why Sinn and many other brands use Sellita instead of ETA. Had they the opportunity to equip all of their watches with ETA, they most certainly would. However I believe Sellita is the closest thing to ETA quality when it comes to mass produced Swiss movements.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I think your right, it is probably the next best thing. I doubt we will ever see ETA as a swatch exclusive though. The 556 uses the 2824 top grade which is great

@BrandonLove1 4 жыл бұрын

it doesn't have the heritage or the ETA movement.. that's a so what for me. I have blue dial 104 on strap and it's a 10! Stunning to look at and keeps +3 sec/day. Youd be very hard pressed to get anything close at 1300.. paying $5-7k for a watch with bigger name but lesser specs doesn't make sense to me. Unless it's an OP, that is

@mattiasgustafsson6053 2 жыл бұрын

I think the 104 with the grey dial looks great. What would be your choice between a grey 104 and the SPB143? Thanks for a really good channel. 👍

@thisispw 3 жыл бұрын

If it doesn't live up to the hype why do so many people buy them, keep them and often sell their others? Just get one and see.

@uncimark 2 жыл бұрын

How do you folks think the 104 holds up in 2022? Love the look of this but interested if anyone has some alternatives to recommend?

@camerontait9132 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bruce, I value your opinion on this piece. I’ve wanted one for a few years and watched the price go up and up. I’m starting to think Sinn is pricing itself out of the market with this one.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I feel like that trend will continue and before long they will be asking 2k for this watch

@powerforward1955 5 жыл бұрын

Hey Bruce, thx for your honesty. I will hear some flack for this question but here goes: What’s your opinion on one of the premium Steinhart Divers vs the Sinn 104? I’m especially thinking about what the watches offer in quality vs the cost differential. Thx. Be well.

@MountainStandardTime 5 жыл бұрын

It should at least have a ceramic bezel at that price point. I'd recommend a pre-owned Oris Aquis Date before a Sinn 104.

@Super3xtr4 5 жыл бұрын

Speed Masters professional cost more then 5k and has no ceramic bezel

@soundknight 4 жыл бұрын

I can get an Orient chronometer calibre for this price. I can also get the SW200-1 chronometer for less in the Formex' essence. But dang, that is a good looking watch.

@AdamHarro 5 жыл бұрын

You should not listen to that watch maker. This movement which is modified by Sinn runs for me on my 104 at +1s per day which is extremely hard to do and I have never had an ETA 2824 do this. Many others have also noted its accuracy and resistance to shock/drops.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

You can get a selitta dialed in fine. Same with ETA. Generally though ETA has much better qc and history. My watchmaker is great, and more honest than most

@shaneweightman 5 жыл бұрын

Agree 100 percent , I prefer other brand diver watches at this price point cheers Shane uk 🇬🇧

@deepakmirchandani1291 5 жыл бұрын

The brown strap looks awesome and I prefer it to the Mianese strap. Does the strap come with the quick release spring bar? I love the double action bezel. That's not seen on too many models. I know you like the ETA / Selitta movements but what do you think of the NH Movements or of the Miyota 9 series Movements? These are from Seiko / Citizen and in my experience, they are solid workhorses, keep great time and overall fantastic mechanisms. At US$1500, you're right - it's too expensive (at least for me).

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

No quick release on this one. I have had good experiences with Seiko and Citizen's movement brands :)

@happy_burger 5 жыл бұрын

Given that ETA movements are not easy to source, you would have that knock on most watches out there ;) Personally I'm not a fan of the full polish and lug shape but otherwise it is a good watch. Great? Yeah. Best in price range? No

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

They may not be easy to source at high volume but I don't think Sinn is selling that many globally. One of their better selling models the 556 is ETA

@alexvanzandt239 5 жыл бұрын

New limited green 104 has an upgraded ETA

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I ordered one in April. Still waiting on it to ship

@VersedNJ 4 жыл бұрын

I just bought a special Sinn 104, $1380 plus tax $1471.43, love the watch, and will keep out of the Selita vs. ETA. I'd get either nor either will be a deal breaker, if it came down to it Bruce ETA. Again not a wathmaker. But love the watch. Oddly my less expensive Stowa Antea does come with ETA. I hope top get it this week but when I called they were closed till Friday for the Holidays. Fine. One positive is I bought AD, and read good things about the company. Yes, there's better and there are far worse.

@dmv3373 5 жыл бұрын

looks great on the mesh!!!

@speedzero7478 5 жыл бұрын

Whats going on with ETA? Are they really doing so much restriction of sales as I've heard? What choice do some of these watch makers have if ETA won't sell them the volume of movements requested but to go with Selita? Just curious. Cheers.

@MrBazH 3 жыл бұрын

Good point completely missed in this review. Sinn can only use whatever is available to them.

@alanl2550 5 жыл бұрын

Superb watch!

@dimitriskekos 5 жыл бұрын

Sinn 104 or Oris aquis they have sellita. which is better ??

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Sinn. They use a higher grade selitta. Oris for the most part is base model.

@vrudy6 5 жыл бұрын

You can’t beat the over engineered cases of the Sinns, but only a 38 hour power reserve- that’s a big deal for me. Especially now days that many brands are bumping up the reserve to 50+ hours at that price point. The Sumo, half the price and now with the 6r35 and 70 hours.

@Teromi 5 жыл бұрын

Good job pointing out ETA clones are not made exactly like ETAs they cut costs!

@watchcollectingstrategy 5 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review Bruce! My biggest negative about the 104 is the display back. It completely ruined the tooly vibe this watch was going for. However, I found an extremely underrated alternative which is the Sinn EZM3f. In my opinion the EZM is everything the 104 should be, no display back, less polishing and more legible. Also funny thing is that my watchmaker also told me the exact same thing about ETA as he was ranting about overhyped time only inhouse movements.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

I would love to see an EZM in person

@shipmate3577 4 жыл бұрын

Great watch design, but is plague issues/flaws that will eat at you... which is why this watch is flipped so often. 1.) The crown sticks out too far... leading it to bite/dent the back of your hand. 2.) The aluminum bezel isn't ceramic, leading it to scratch very easily. 3.) The movement is below par for a modern $1,000+ watch; 38 hour power reserve is well below average of 42+ hours, feels grainy when winding and builds doubt, accuracy range of the standard SW200-1 is a horrible +/-12 sec/day up to +/- 30 sec/day (that worse than Miyota 9015 movement of +/-10 seconds per day up to +/- 30 seconds per day).

@toinfinity6213 3 жыл бұрын

Could you suggest an alternative then?

@hgr.7857 Жыл бұрын

Your nuts - nuts! - if you think 38 hr power reserve is radically different enough from 42 hr power reserve to put this watch in a different pricing tier or that Sinn is somehow shortchanging customers. If you are wearing the beloved bauble daily, as I'd expect one would if spending that much, the extra 4 hrs of power reserve is a moot point in that it would be sufficiently powered anyway. And the accuracy... Most owners report an accuracy (if worn consistently) of about + 3 spd, so again, swing and a miss. 'It feels grainy' to wind? That seems subjective, but if worn, would also be a non-issue; I have my doubts about that statement anyway. I will give you the point, though, concerning the *choice* by Sinn to stick with an aluminum bezel insert, though. When the watch was concieved that may have been great, but now, in 2023, every AliX clomages comes with a ceramic bezel insert for as low as 80-100 USD. Sinn could step the 104's game up in that regard

@matijapuskar6167 5 жыл бұрын

I love sinn, but the 104 and 556 are overrated in my opinion. Good finishing, design and quality, but they don't offer anything that makes them stand out from the crowd, especially compared to other models in the uper 2-3k range in sinn. In my opinion you get much more of value with a damasko da47 which is similarly priced.

@BruceWilliams 5 жыл бұрын

Damasko are the bomb

@cardinalj 5 жыл бұрын

Love Damasko also....I have a DA36 . Not a fan of the bracelet from damasko. Uncomfortable and clasp is a pain in the rear.

@johnkennedy9078 2 жыл бұрын

Do you know if you bought the satin or polished mesh bracelet? I love it dude, i like how thick it is. Do you have and issues with your clasp? I'd prefer the one you have unless there are reasons to get the push clasp

@volkerleiste6191 4 жыл бұрын

ETA movements you can get on 3 different quality levels. "Normal" "Advanced" "Chronometer" This you have to bare in mind, if you compsre the Sinn 104 with SW200 movement with ETA versions. The SW200 is not at level "chronometer". But the Sinn 104 is a good mechanical watch for daily use. If you compare ist with the old Tudor Submariner from the 1980s, the Tudor is superior...

@dexterdegeaut8625 3 жыл бұрын

Your watchmaker is wrong.

@richardbosh4522 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Question guys and gals I see alot of people saying great things about Sinn watches Is it true that they use cheap Chinese movements? and mediocre swiss made movement ? how's the quality and craftsmanship? how does this compare to a tag heuer aquaracer or a longines hydroconquest or tissot Seastar? and hows the resale value? how long have you had yours ? how to hear from you guys Thank you