thank you for revealing the imperial dogs.

I am a big Stormcloak supporter but now I feel the Empire has to be the real winner in the Civil War

Says the blood sucking vampire.

And this is the hinted to be Lamae Bal post events of Greymoor living in skyrim to keep an eye on the Dark Heart who says that.

@@madisonsosa21 I understand where the Stormcloaks are coming from, but even with some questionable choices that the Empire makes (Maven Blackbriar becoming a Jarl for example), I have to support them overall.

​@@madisonsosa21 there are no winners in the Skyrim Civil War aside from the Thalmor who expertly played both sides.

Caligula would be like, "You took it too far."

kek, basicly as if slanesh said, "well that's a bit too wild for me" lmao

That's why Sheogorath is the one haunting them. Sanguine prefers the smaller taverns of the holds.

Rakdos from Ravnica would just smiled and clapped.

Based.

Long as the butter is fresh, we're good

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger bruh i don't think that's butter

I dont get it why wouldnt you put butter on bread

@@everythingsalright1121 its not butter

"Drink for the Dirty! Food for the Monkey!"

And the gift of damn near going insane 😂 but we all have fun along the way, that’s what matters

@@Saber23, all knowledge comes with a price

Real history is even better tbh

This is a seeker of hermaeus mora baiting you with the allure of knowledge. Don’t fall for it

Knowledge that is completely useless unless you’re a writer at Bethesda or making an Elder Scrolls tabletop campaign

Michael Kirkbride's an amazing author, but he is absolutely bat shit insane

Stuff like that is one reason why I love Kirkbride's work lol

Wait until you hear about Vivek!

Kirkbride is the loremaster we need

Sounds like real life myths

The problem is that Cyrodiil keeps stealing High Rock's lore for some reason, it's really weird.

King Hrol had that hillock in his “load order”

@@gregoryhayes7569 High Rock has gotten so much material about it that the other provinces have to take from it to cover their shortages.

_"Then Todd watched The Fellowship of the Ring and mistakes were made."_ -Michael Kirkbride

The real take away from this video is that the Elder Scrolls lore was great and unique until Todd Howard watched The Fellowship of the Ring and decided to turn Oblivion into a generic sanitized rip-off of Lord of the Rings

He is a very good narrator you can tell he’s put time and effort into perfecting that

Drew's influence

@@grandmasteryoda6717 definitely

I used to like it, but now I find it a little too dramatic. Even without Drew, I wish they still did the podcast or some kind of casual discussion so I could hear them speak in their natural voices.

​@@owenziegler307 I don't mind like the dude is narrating a video about a game not making a guide on math so he can put a bit more effort into how he speaks

Yep that's what I was thinking it sounds "out there" now but it's tame to a lot of real life ancient mythologies and customs bahahaha

Ergot, ayahuasca, mushrooms, peyote, san pedro, etc Our ancestors did love their hallucinogens

There's actually an RPG setting called Glorantha that has similarly bonkers lore. It was a big influence on TES.

We are all mudcum.

​@@gregoryhayes7569Boy! Finally someone that also knows about Glorantha.

Kirkbride: "Weird? What do you mean? That's just an average Tuesday night."

@@theprinceofinadequatelighting that man was like one bad exam result on his ancient religions classes shy of a college student breakdown with sleep deprivation and LSD when he wrote the mythology he added in and by the gods it's glorious. Also he, and I shit you not, named Nerevar Mora "Anti-Satan". No, I'm serious. If you take the translations he gave for the elnofex we have from him? it breaks down into "Not-Light-Cast/Speak Knowledge", where the "speak/cast" word is specifically for spells, aka herma-mora, forbidden knowledge. Dude named his Chimer Jesus "I'm not the Lightbringer" and then threw his reincarnation in a second coming story where he kills the dunmer anti-Christ.

​@@theprinceofinadequatelightingi want whatever Kirkbride was smoking

@@platinumchromee3191just cigarettes, then

😡🤢🤮

Indeed, the fertility of the land is of paramount importance.

Dibella worshippers not beating the degenerate allegations.

Y'know, maybe the Daedra aren't so bad after all...

It's more that he's just saying what he's made of when he sat upon the Ruby Throne.

the real elder scrolls are the lines of code

​@@jansonshrock2859just like the Matrix

History class at school would be a nightmare :(

@@debbiegilmour6171 I think there are examples of that in game... Mage college maybe? I know there are contradictory history books we find that are all considered true.

The elder scrolls are just the excuse for Bethesda's lazy writing, lore sanitizing and ugly retcons.

Monkey Monks!

You forgot doom guy Demi god

Thank you so much!!

@@FudgeMuppetilove u

It really helps me better conceptualize the history

@@alexinfinite7142 yeah I get that Makes me wish elder scrolls actually cared about the progression and technological advancement for armor Seems they already have plate armor basically at the start of time which makes some sense, aedra walked the world they’d probably already have the most advanced armor possible

Nedes*

@@muramasasedge5443 no I “need” you to say something that adds to the conversation

There are truly some great world building minds out there Elder scrolls team and Tolkien for example

Gaimen toppled the empire

Read up on lovecraft's work if modern myth interests you

I mean... not to deflate your enthusiasm for Kirkbride's lore, but so much of it is borrowed from Eastern/Near Eastern mythology. Read up on the Epic of Gilgamesh and Tiamat and Babylonian pantheon; the mixture of epic adventure and salacious sexual themes are reminiscent of Kirkbride's mythology. I think this is why he's tried to inject some more wackiness into the mythology in his meta-commentary, like Pelinal being a cyborg/construct, precisely because his background for TES lore is pretty mundane compared to ancient mythology.

@therexbellator well yeah, most writing is inspired and readapted from other sources. The Lion King is basically hamlet with cats, but its still a modern masterpiece

I only wish I had seen this video before playing VIGILANT, would have put a lot of things into perspective for that first playthrough.

Maybe because they are all hard at work building the game for free for people like you…..

Personally, I agree haha, but that's partly on purpose. On Cyrodiil, we have been trying to keep many things under wrap in order to prevent promising anything we weren't ready to show off. So, the fact that this collaboration happened should indeed show that, yeah. These are a rare occurence, though, so hopefully it keeps that effect for when we do more in the future ;) Love Fudge Muppet, and happy to collab with them on this. Videos like this make it worth it.

⁠​⁠@@ArgornashI think the commenter didn’t imagine his words would be read by someone who was actually involved. Was probably a flippant remark, we all appreciate what you guys do. Great response and good points made btw

Lmao, OOF

@@Argornashworth the wait, still no good video games in 2023. Put in some OT! 😂

Or the apeman was either a paranoid schizophrenic who hallucinated the vision or a narcissist that made it all up to take power. So basically, just like all real life prophets.

Molag Bal is VERY fond of dominating Empires (to the point he's out of lore stated to *be in Talos' head* and in-lore he's backed Vivec, even though what ALMSIVI did to Nerevar should usually be in Boethiah and Mephala's realms). I'd say Vigilant is probably guessing right on this one, and it's at least true in MK's C0DA (the fancy word for people's personal TES headcanon that we're all encouraged to have and share).

The most plausible option is Lorkhan (Shor/Shazaar etc). Remember that he led the Wandering Ehlnofey against Aurial and the Old Ehlnofey in the Ehlnofey Wars. If any deity hated elves to the point where they would help create an anti-elven genocidal Order, it would be him.

gonna be like 2045 lol

@@Zepimo123 stil before TES VI

@@Linkinpurk for real lmao

"You know whats wrong with Cyrodiil these days? Everyones obsessed with SEX!!!" - Jon Bottle-Blonde.

whats BS ?

There's a new mod called _The Old Ways - Nordic Religion_ on the SSE Nexus if you're interested. Seems well done, in my opinion.

That was part of the Imperialization of Skyrim that also was a factor in the civil war. The traditionalist nords were also disappointed. They forsake their beliefs for a dying Empire that could no longer afford to care about it's people. Cutting out Talos was just the last straw that made them see it that way. And it made them ashamed that they let it get so far that the Empire saw it as acceptable to dictate what the nords can and can't worship. So I imagine they feel so strongly about reclaiming his worship because that represents a major step to returning to what their culture should be. The Thalmor actually fucked up because them getting Talos worship banned strengthened not only the nord's desire to worship Talos but most likely all of the old nordic pantheon in the long run. That domino falls no matter who wins the war. Stormcloak win means they're free to reestablish the old pantheon and probably put Talos as the chief deity both to honor his role in their independence and as a message to the Thalmor: this god of man is strongest because man is strongest so don't try your shit again. And if the Imperials win then the Stormcloaks are martyrs for Talos worship and the rift between Skyrim and Cyrodiil deepening. Talos gets more worship both ways.

@@brahmas1685 You are aware that Talos is not a Nord deity, right?

@@brahmas1685 Eh, not really. It's a retcon Bethesda purposefully made. The Nords in TESV aren't fighting for their own religion - they're fighting to keep an Imperial god. What you're explaining is essentially fan fiction made to explain away Bethesda's change. An acceptable and plausible fan fiction, but fan fiction nonetheless. All the evidence I've seen for it is stuff like "but bandits use the old gods' names" which is leftover from early development where Beth was actually planning on using the Nords' own totemic religion. I guess they just didn't want to write out and expand another pantheon when they had the Nine Divines everyone was already familiar with. Edit: just want to make this clear: this is a theory, a plausible one, and one that makes a lot of people happy with the change, and that's cool. I just don't like people talking about stuff like this as if it were fact, especially without giving sources, because there's a _lot_ of misinfo about these games based on theories and misremembering and exaggeration, etc.

@@TristenSarelvun Well, the names of Talos and/or Tiber Septim were eventually tied up with Ysmir Wulfharth, an ancient warlord and semi-mythical figure of the ancient Atmorans. You can call this an "Imperial god" because his legend slightly overlaps with the ambitions of the Third Empire (Septim), but he is a deeply Nordic hero. His conflation is likely due to Imperial propaganda, but it has been around for so long that Nords like Jarl Balgruuf, for example, confidently believes in the Talos/Wulfharth/Dragonborn identity or interchangeability. When asked, _"What's it mean to be Dragonborn?"_ he may reply, _"Wulfharth was Dragonborn. Talos, too - the founder of the Empire, back in the good old days."_ This is further supported by Arngeir, who states the title "Ysmir", the "Dragon of the North" is traditionally given to Dragonborn who come to High Hrothgar. All of this is to say that "Imperialization" has been around far longer in Skyrim than we're led to believe based on what it's like to live as a Nord in the Fourth Era. Anything truly "Nordic" actually needs to be equated with the Atmorans. But of course, it can also be argued that the early Nedes (proto-Imperials) originated from Atmora.

Your mom looks so great.

Ayleids are a favorite part of the Lore for me

@Thalmor Agent Your mom is personally my favorite part of the lore.

​@@jeffdroogWell your mum is ayleid lore

@@hazeltree7738 And proud of it!

Sadly the persons who were mostly responsible for the well thought out cosmology and metaphysics in the ES series are no longer part of the team. At least mostly.

I have a weird feeling this is Beyond Skyrim... Fudge seems to have more access to Cyrodill than we do, as the video specifically about Beyond Skyrim seems to suggest. We can only go to Bruma atm, but he has footage from all over the gold coast and colovia.

@@Mephilis78 I'm aware of this 😉

Even the concept of mantling in the elder scrolls, where a divine being creates a mortal avatar of themself on nirn, or gifts their authority and power to a mortal being, making them 100% mortal and 100% diety. It's a very abrahamic judeo-christian concept when you think about it

@@jansonshrock2859 Actually, it's an ancient pagan concept. Christianity simply modified certain aspects.

*Sybille Stentor:* _"Because even if we can't openly worship him, Talos the god was once Tiber Septim the man, and this is his Empire. And Torygg wasn't ready to let it fall apart."_

​@@badluck5647me: how compelling now face the wall vampire

It is literally the same Empire.

Which is kind of ironic, given that the Septim Empire wasn't even that great either.

​@@LordMortanius they had a lineage of magic emperors Uriel VII saved the continent 3 times by sending the right person to the right place Could be much worst

Hardly anything Indian about Cyrodiil, and this is coming from an Indian such as myself. If your looking for a race with inspiration from India, look no further than the Khajiit.

​@@SorcererKing94 I'd say Kajight are closer to Egyptians in my opinion.

@@oi1043 That would be the Nords, with their Dragon Cult, megalithic ruins and burial customs. Play ESO, Khajiit are straight up influenced by South Asian culture and architecture.

@@oi1043 The Khajiiti architecture is very similar to that typically seen in India and south Asian countries.

@@SorcererKing94 The confussion comes from the fact that Cyrodiil did had Asian influence, but it wasn't indian: As presented by the 1st PGE, Cyrodiil was a warm, in some instances even tropical, highly urbanized region with extensive rice paddies and a still noticeable akaviri (and thus east-asian) influence. In that text the Empire is described as an strange hybrid between roman/hellenic nations and a east-asian civilization, specially those that lived in the Niben. The "weird lore" of Cyrodiil, say, Alessia, Pelinal, Moriheaus and the related wars were based on this take. Later on however the jungle was NOPED out of existence and Cyrodiil presented as an straight medieval, a bit romanesque realm, and this still dominates the presentation during Skyrim.

To quote Seth, consume the cum cabbage.

Given that MK basically raided the Septuagint (and the oral torah stuff) for the Chimer/Dunmer, you're probably bang-on. Everything I've found so far that involved MK writing lore for used: Islamic (dwemer), Jewish (Chimer/Dunmer), Roman, Greek, and Egyptian motifs, though I haven't specifically delved into the Reman mythos he contributed to. Did catch the Redguards using barely changed Miyamoto Musashi's Book of Five Rings for their Book of Circles, though, so I'm expecting to spot zen buddhism that matches proto-Kendo Zen Buddhism philosophy and Shinto beliefs there.

I was scrolling down the com section to find this info, about who made the music, thank you !!

Abominations?

do you know that it was against their own will?

I thought they were a kind of sphinxmoth, don't those fit the pattern?

@@neoqwertySphinx Moths look similar pattern wise. But they would be more closley related to Hummingbird Moths than Silk Moths. They like the Hummingbird Moth fall under the "Skipper Moth/Butterfly classification". Verses Silk Moths are considered true moths. They all do produce a type of "silk" when making their cocoons/chrysalis. But Silk Moths are known for their production of high quality and quantity silk.

Cigan

When the Nords think you're too racist, you best listen

Best bet is shattering into their separate provinces on good terms so the thalmor can't use internal strive as easily. Being a huge, single political entity made up of dissimilar regions with their own unique needs and cultures is a major weakness when you lack the influence and resources to properly unite them. Especially when you have an enemy that's skilled in espionage. You get an empire tearing itself apart for the enemy before the war even starts. That's harder to do when each of the nations that make up the whole govern themselves but cooperate towards a common goal.

Wrong, Siding with the Stormcloaks COMPLETELY REMOVES THALMOR FROM SKYRIM. MEANING, Hammerfell and Skyrim being independent province with 0 Thalmore presence. And, with a Thu'um Army under Ulfric, The nords can free Morrowind and then start shreding everything all the way to Summset Islands.

​@@SuperSky9 yeah the Graybeards aren't teaching anyone without a Dragon soul after what Ulfric did Also free Morrowind from what ? There's barely Dunmer there this days

@@SuperSky9 Bro you've literally got that all wrong. There won't be a thu'um army because it takes too long to master for anyone that isn't a dragonborn. Ulfric trained for years and barely knows any shouts. Also Skyrim's manpower gets heavily depleted by the civil war, so they're not staging any offensives in the near future and possibly even longer if Skyrim destabilizes as it's prone to at this point.

​@@timtaylor9298near future is a relative term, with different degrees of relativity between man and mer. No matter which side wins, they can reasonably expect to repopulate within a man's generation or two. Problem for the Thalmor is that one man's generation is a fifth of a mer's generation, with the birthrate to match. I'm still a little mad that they wrote out all the unique magics the Nords possessed other than the Thu'um pre-Skyrim, though.

If memory serves doesn't it also add a chance for spell absorption? That could play into making it appear to regenerate faster despite the nerf to base regeneration.

Their Hames are fundamentally broken,despite having released skyrim in like 6 different iterations,they're all fundamentally broken piles of shit.

You posted this 10 minutes after a 40 minute video was posted.

@@TheSorrydod so?

Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil

Same here, I have over 1500 hours and I haven't even read most of the books, I really need to but I always get distracted with the world itself lol. I find new things even to this day either threw playing or watching videos like this.

Same, i have 2200 hours on skyrim alone and i still dont know most of this

Yes, you can see them in our release of Bruma actually!

@@Argornash Oh! I have Bruma! I haven't been playing for a while, but I think I need to go back now! 😀💜

You forgot about the Emperor, who on his death bed outlawed death, and the Daedra who visits him inside his long decayed brain... not weird at all... :)

Most definitely. I first played the game when it came out 11/11/11, got stuck on a bug on both Parthurnax not dying and the esburn door which killed my runs back then. Despite all of that, not finishing and not playing for years, I never stop thinking about this game, and how good it is. I recently bought the game on my steam deck, I been away too long, I needed to re experience it. Now I'm deep into my playthrough, loving every damn moment of it, experiencing amazing mods for the first time, and just basking in the greatness that is this game. All games should strive to be like this. Delivers a experience like no other, and satisfies me in nearly every way. Sure it has its flaws, but what it does right, and it does so much right, overshadows those flaws. Elder Scrolls 6 if it can take everything about Skyrim to the next level cranked up to 11, it will deliver on surpassing this game and cementing it's place as the new greatest game ever made

@@gensteps923 I think if ES6 incorporates the best parts of ES4 and ES5 it will go down as one of if not the greatest rpg ever

@@ismailalom8936 agreed I can't wait to see what they do with it. Have high hopes and expectations but if anyone can deliver it's the elder scrolls team. And if at all nothing else, the amazing talented fan base who creates Mods will fill in any gaps that Bethesda leaves out. I know I've heard the criticisms that Bethesda let's their fans finish their games blah blah blah It never really mattered to me, they do their job they bring the game to fruition, modders only improve, add to, and enhance it, and I don't see anything wrong with that. It's due to the combined efforts of Both Bethesda and the modders, that makes their games go above and beyond.

@@gensteps923 Finally, someone who understands the importance of both the Bethesda team and the modders. Bethesda makes the base game and the tools and features that come along with it. Then the modders improve it beyond imagining and we have the pleasure to enjoy the result. It's practically a team effort. Not some tribalistic competition most people make it out to be.

This feels like a bot comment

Wdym

High Elves yes. Thalmor, no.

@@madisonsosa21 Someone said Thalmor??

@@madisonsosa21 I think that the thalmor have just as much reason as the companions did to do what they did. They're both groups of racist assholes who murdered a bunch of innocent people for their narrow-minded traditionalist views.

Other the Psijic Order, there isn't much representation of Thalmor opposition in TESV

ive been playing since the hay day of oblivion. It still confusing, seriously what other game has a background lore this deep. its as deep as many real cultures. we need a college course.

​@@jhm5497that's because one of the older lore writers got his college degree in Comparative Religion and Theology.

I mean, the Ayleids had literal gas chambers, so...

It might be an exaggeration,but they did enslave the Nedes and rape their slaves

No.

@@SuperSky9 Yes.

@@Choom89 No. Cyridill already looks like a province of a crazy modder who installs every mod on the trending list that is not Bikini Armor or Lore Friendly.