So can rugby players work in the NFL?

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Last week, one of European rugby's biggest stars and Welsh icon Louis Rees-Zammit announced he was leaving rugby behind to take on NFL. And so, we looked at the long, spotty history of rugby players and American Footballers who swapped sports, and whether the move can work for Mr. LRZ...
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@Duggy1702
@Duggy1702 3 ай бұрын
"like switching from Call of Duty to Halo" is an elite comparison 🤣
@LeMerch
@LeMerch 2 ай бұрын
I’ve never played either game so I’ve no clue what it means 😢
@99tdc
@99tdc 2 ай бұрын
@@LeMerch both first person shooting games but thats about where the similarities end
@camakaze1330
@camakaze1330 2 ай бұрын
Smug Formal
@p.i.9685
@p.i.9685 3 ай бұрын
I mean, this is top notch sports journalism.
@t3649
@t3649 3 ай бұрын
It’s just a fun video calm down
@Opo993
@Opo993 3 ай бұрын
It was sarcasm calm down@@t3649
@NDBGamingHD
@NDBGamingHD 3 ай бұрын
the amount of research and level of insight is far beyond that imo@@t3649
@danjwray
@danjwray 3 ай бұрын
He got the current year wrong. But other than that, sure.
@hector_5946
@hector_5946 3 ай бұрын
Practice squad for 2 years, then dropped. Will move to France and play 3-5 more years. Thank you Wales, it’s been real 😂😂😂
@2011hwalker
@2011hwalker 3 ай бұрын
This is exactly right, he will earn enough through a base nfl salary to live a good life plus a ton of endorsements and then he will cash it in in France.
@CelabWilliams-gb6rm
@CelabWilliams-gb6rm 3 ай бұрын
@@2011hwalker are they not paying their athletes anything in rugby? No way being a practice squad player in the nfl is better than being A starter where he’s from.
@willsonj
@willsonj 3 ай бұрын
@@CelabWilliams-gb6rmHe’ll earn less on the practice squad than he would in rugby, but not too much less. He’ll also save his body a lot of damage. If he makes it in the NFL he’ll earn a lot more.
@CelabWilliams-gb6rm
@CelabWilliams-gb6rm 3 ай бұрын
@@willsonj god I forget how much money in America we have for dumb shit like sports, meanwhile can’t even get decent healthcare for 50k usd in some cities
@wtrzs
@wtrzs 3 ай бұрын
@@CelabWilliams-gb6rmwhat cities can you not get decent healthcare w 50k? be serious 😂
@obriaind
@obriaind 3 ай бұрын
Playing rugby in the US, when new players showed up, the best ones never came from an America Football background; basketball players had the ball skills, baseball players had better positional awareness, hockey players were able to keep moving after a hit, and wrestlers didn’t need to be taught proper tackling or rucking techniques. There are massive differences between the sports, and the shape of the ball and goalposts are pretty superficial by comparison.
@Davis_T
@Davis_T 3 ай бұрын
This was my experience as well. American football linemen tended to transition better while running back/wide receiver converts in the backline tended to be black holes who wouldn't pass or ran away from support. Wrestlers were always the most valuable additions to our small club team in high school
@MjolnirMarks
@MjolnirMarks 3 ай бұрын
Top-notch perspective 👏🏻
@AndrewBartley
@AndrewBartley 3 ай бұрын
The ball isn’t even really the same shape. An American football is pointier, thinner and smaller. Designed to be thrown forward accurately I imagine? Rugby balls are larger more oval and designed to be passed with 2 hands.
@DouglasLyons-yg3lv
@DouglasLyons-yg3lv 2 ай бұрын
Where did you dream that up? The best rugby player the US has produced was Dan Lyle - VMI tight end.
@basedsigmalifter9482
@basedsigmalifter9482 Ай бұрын
Not from what I’ve seen.
@poparasan
@poparasan 3 ай бұрын
I have started American Football club (and federation) in Serbia, after playing Rugby for 6 years. Your commentary that they are very different sports is spot-on. I like to compare them like group tennis and volleyball. They look the similar, but they are hardly comparable. Today I play rugby in Portugal and plan to start American football club in my town. Both sports are very fun to play. Big love for this video!
@falkkiwiben
@falkkiwiben 3 ай бұрын
Da li ste igrali ragbi lig ili junion? Ja sam srbin rodom iz novozelandiji. Živela Srbija!
@_dtvr485
@_dtvr485 3 ай бұрын
video so good had to post twice
@MJPP090909
@MJPP090909 3 ай бұрын
Respect that LRZ is following a dream, but the probability of of making a success (= getting in a playing squad) of the attempt is realistically very, very low. I hope he understands that, and even more hope that he beats the odds and does succeed. I do feel sad for the game of rugby and for Wales (even as an England supporter) but that is no reason for anyone to point the finger and accuse him of abandoning either, he's his own man and is 100% entitled to do as he chooses.
@PaulWilliams-xz3mz
@PaulWilliams-xz3mz 2 ай бұрын
Well said, I'm gutted as a Wales rugby supporter but wish him all the best 👍
@SuperbikeShaun
@SuperbikeShaun 2 ай бұрын
He’s fast on a rugby field, but not for football. Got a peek at his numbers, 40 yard dash was 4.67, his first 10 yards splits were abysmal but once he started striding out he was speedy, but that is far too slow for an NFL skill position. They are working on explosion and reconditioning to hopefully get him off the line faster, as in rugby you are almost always in motion and never train for speed from a complete stand still. His 3 cone drill was horrid, a 7.7. NFL linemen run it in sub 7.5’s. These are things he has never trained for in his entire life, and it will likely take years to recondition his body to be able to perform them. American football and rugby are only similar on the surface, they require immensely different skills to be successful. I genuinely don’t think he’s going to make a game day roster, practice squad is unlikely in the very narrow window of time he has to train. If he plans to make an NFL roster as a skill player, he will likely have to stick with it for a couple years.
@Rafael-xt1nm
@Rafael-xt1nm 2 ай бұрын
@@SuperbikeShaun Where did you get his stats??
@SuperbikeShaun
@SuperbikeShaun 2 ай бұрын
@@Rafael-xt1nm I’m a former D1 receiver and a receiver coach with Kula Sports Performance. Brian is one of the advisors for the IPP and has all their times from Week 2. They are not published lol, especially not this early on in the program. These were just their baselines, gives teams insight into their potential at the end of the program.
@ronaldmistrot7480
@ronaldmistrot7480 Ай бұрын
Spoiler, he does succeed he was signed by the Kansas City Chiefs today
@championthewonderhorse9733
@championthewonderhorse9733 2 ай бұрын
Your analysis about the key differences are spot on. As a huge NFL fan for 40 years, the game has only superficial similarities to rugby. The games are so different at their core. As you identify, the NFL involves short bursts of action, which are set plays called from the sideline (generally) and require players to follow a set sequence which has been drilled in over years. Rugby is a much more fluid and open game. If you haven't spend high school and college being drilled in certain plays, it would be almost impossible for a pro from another sport to come in and just understand a WR route tree, for instance. The best route is via kicker or punter.
@vanman7805
@vanman7805 3 ай бұрын
Arguably one of the greatest South African rugby players ever, a true legend, Naas Botha, also tried his hand at NFL. He didn’t last a year.
@arnodk2852
@arnodk2852 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, he was with the Dallas Cowboys.
@user-nk9cw5md8l
@user-nk9cw5md8l 3 ай бұрын
Naas was the back up kicker for the cowboys incase their 1st choice broke down injured but he never did, Naas got no game time so ended up playing rugby for the local dallas harlequins club side and with him they won the national club rugby competition. Cliffy Brown who also played rugby for Natal, northern transvaal moved to the States the same year as Naas and he played for the New Orleans Saints as a kicker but also didn't last long however got more game time than Naas. The south African Gary Anderson did however make it as a kicker and spent 23 seasons there in NFL from 1982 until 2004. Currently Dieter Eiselen is the only south African playing in the NFL. 2 seasons with Chicago bears and 1 season with Houston Texans and he has a pro contract. He was however part of the US college football feeder program so had a number of years to get used to the game and learn it.
@fin-ed6oj
@fin-ed6oj 3 ай бұрын
Video essays are by far my favourite type of video that you do. The best uploads on your channel are still ye olde La Rochelle, Leinster, Ospreys & which French team are going to turn up videos
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
As an aside, the most successful cross sport transfers to the NFL are (and it isn't even close) from Aussie Rules Football. They are all punters of course
@SB-uo9to
@SB-uo9to 3 ай бұрын
Interestingly this pathway LRZ is following only just opened to punters/kickers this year. All the Aussie’s in the nfl came through colleges before they went pro. Few Irish lads gone through as kickers this year and they’ll have a much better chance of making a roster than any of the others I would say
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
@@SB-uo9to Yes, college football has had an epidemic of 26 year old ex-Aussie Rules 'students' for several years!
@iowadrummer7
@iowadrummer7 2 ай бұрын
You forgetting Bo and Prime or am I just being pedantic?
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 2 ай бұрын
@@iowadrummer7 I'm pedantic for sure, and maybe should have excluded cross sports players with a background in both sports - Deion and Bo played football and baseball as kids and in college, and both were drafted in football and baseball (Deion twice by MLB) so weren't transplants. I suppose the other comment would be that Deion and Bo were once in a generation talents, whereas there are a higher number of Aussie rules players making the NFL
@iowadrummer7
@iowadrummer7 2 ай бұрын
@@davidmorrey1739 Interestingly enough there are a lot of US transplants TO Aussie Rules. Mason Cox being quite a famous example. The AFL scouts basketball players specifically if my memory serves at a combine in LA I believe?
@ohth8047
@ohth8047 3 ай бұрын
Haha knew you'd relish the opportunity to savage Jarryd Hayne. Richly deserved. From the Aussie perspective the one omission here is the actually very successful pipeline from massive boot afl player to NFL punter. That's been so successful that it's legitimately transformed punting tactics in the NFL
@arkadye
@arkadye 3 ай бұрын
Having barely got two minutes into the video: I've always felt the switch between the two is probably really difficult. Rugby is more strategic, with an emphasis on long-term plans and American football more tactical, with an emphasis on short-term play-by-play plans. Rugby is normally free flowing and moves integrated into already flowing play while American football has carefully pre-planned plays with time to call plays before executing it. (Although they both, I think, reward precision of execution similarly.) I do think the levels of athleticism is higher in American football, largely down to more money and a bigger, more centralised player base rather than any fundamental difference in the sports. I also reckon American football rewards sprint-performance over endurance while rugby goes the other way. As for the hits: American football does encourage bigger hits with less regulation on them and the armour really encouraging tacklers to go in more aggressively. That said, an American football match does have far fewer hits (in numbers) than rugby, where lots of tackles are made. In American football hustling players out of bounds or pushing them over is hugely more common, to offset the big hit numbers. I don't like "my sport is better than yours" dialogue (except in the context good natured and friendly piss-taking) but the differences between the two codes are - in practical terms and athletic demands - are very different. I will be curious to see how LRZ does. I think he'll have a good idea of what he's letting himself in for, though.
@matthewdobson100
@matthewdobson100 3 ай бұрын
I feel your analysis is flawed. How is rugby more strategic, what are the "long term plans" that they implement that NFL teams with 3000+ play pre-determined playbooks based on years of a coach/es developing their system and style of play don't? Every play has very specfic roles for each player (and in play variations) and if any of them don't perform theirs then the play probably doesn't work. They're both tactical and both have a distinct strategy at their heart. One is relentlessley more detailed than the other and requires huge amounts more learning to understand the playbook before ever stepping on the field. Top college players, who've played under huge pressure in front of crowds that most rugby (and football come to that) players could only dream of, who've played the game since they were kids, fail to adapt and learn the NFL systems. It's not about learning the rules or specific skill set to play, that's possible over time. To suceed he will have to understand the game to the point where when he goes on the field he knows every play including not just his role but all of his teamates as well and can reliably make the same in game reads that they do. The Guardian had a very good article last week about the difficulties of making the switch.
@cg_2k72
@cg_2k72 3 ай бұрын
@@matthewdobson100it’s more strategic for the coaching staff most definitely. But the players are just following instructions given to them, whereas in Rugby, the players are making adjustments all the time. So while NFL may be more mentally taxing up front, Rugby has more in-game decisions being made, with the addition of greater fatigue and independent game management.
@GJRolo
@GJRolo 3 ай бұрын
@@matthewdobson100 an NFL team will have 3000+ plays based on the first play, rugby may not have that many for the first play but they need something for the second play, and a plan for the third play off the potential positions of the second, and a fourth play play based off the potential positions of the third, the same for the fifth, sixth, seventh etc. How far you work out a set of plays will depend on how you train but you can be 12 phases/plays in and need to have a plan thought out
@lmarislmarislmaris4271
@lmarislmarislmaris4271 3 ай бұрын
I think the reverse is true: rugby players are more athletic. It takes far less fitness to play in 5-6 second bursts with most players moving no more than 5-10 metres.
@lmarislmarislmaris4271
@lmarislmarislmaris4271 3 ай бұрын
@@matthewdobson100 NFL players don’t generally have a plan B once the ball is snapped. Each player has a specific role for that 5 seconds of play, and if that fails, they stop play, and the next play is sent in from the coaching staff. That is the biggest difference: coaches control every second of play as it happens, and if you play offense, you don’t work on defensive skills, so half of that playbook is of no concern to most players.
@aztechuhs
@aztechuhs 3 ай бұрын
I know its League instead of Rugby but there is a reason why Jordan Mailata is thus far the only guy from either code to make the switch to the NFL (Nate Ebner was "only" a special teams gunner. A very good special teams gunner, but still "just" a gunner. This video kinda makes it seem like he was an integral part of their squad.): You can't teach 6'8"/2.03m tall, 360lbs/166kgs. He's massive even by NFL standards. He also spent 3 years on the practice squad due to various injuries. This allowed him to focus almost entirely on developing his skillset by learning from some of the best minds in the game. He was born with natural physical gifts that most humans don't posses. LRZ looks to be incredibly fast, especially for his size, but there are tons of guys that come out of college every year that are big, fast, and strong. Many of them don't do anything of note in the NFL (if they even make it) because they lack football IQ. He has his work cut out for him so I wish him all the best!
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree with everything you have said. Mailata is 6-8, 365lb and can move. He is physically a top 0.1% amongst NFL tackles. Will LRZ be the same kind of athletic standout? I'm seeing news stories that he hit 24mph in a game. If that is right, then he is fast enough to be dangerous.
@aztechuhs
@aztechuhs 3 ай бұрын
@@davidmorrey1739 Yeah, LRZ's top speed is intriguing, even if it was done without the additional ~12-15lbs of padding/helmet. I will say though, football places a much higher emphasis on explosive speed off the line/breaks instead of pure top-end speed. I've seen a lot of comparisons between LRZ and Tyreek Hill's top speed. The issue with this comparison is that Tyreek isn't one of the best WRs in the NFL simply because he's really fast at his top speed (it certainly helps though). He's incredibly explosive off the line/out of his breaks and is really good at running the entire route tree. His blazing run-away speed is just the icing on top. If LRZ can be explosive, and not just fast, he'll have a much better chance at making noise in the NFL. It also helps that he is still 22 years old, about the age most rookies are when they are drafted into the NFL. He certainly has chance!
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
@@aztechuhs Yes, top WRs win on gaining separation, and Hill is amazing at that. Someone like Davante Adams hasn't got the same speed but is also fantastic at winning the route in the first few steps. Rugby wingers know quite a bit about beating a man lined up from them, but doing it from a standing start, potentially with the defender initiating contact on the first step, is a different thing. Not to mention the WRs first job is to read the defense and run to the right spot, and if he doesn't make the same read as the QB then he won't be getting the ball.
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
@@aztechuhs I reckon it is quite telling to think about the opposite scenario. DK Metcalf is bigger, stronger and (possibly) faster than LRZ, but has never played a competitive rugby game in his life. If he discovered a Welsh grandparent tomorrow do we think there is any chance at all that Gatland would be picking him for the Six Nations?
@O12port799
@O12port799 3 ай бұрын
Key thing is, being just a special teamer, Nate Ebner has made $12 million career earnings. Equivalent to 43 years of LRZ’s current salary, it’s a no brainer if he can pull it off. Practice squad is $216k, active roster is $750k, for context LRZ currently makes £220k. I’d say LRZ’s best case scenario is being a punt returner or special teams gunner, both of which he has relevant experience in and can command $1 million+ a year if done well, a massive pay rise. Is it going to happen? Probably not. But still think he’s smart to try.
@milochapman5804
@milochapman5804 3 ай бұрын
I think pretending Wade wasn’t a top level player when he tried to play NFL is a little bit harsh. Considering he is the top scorer in the Prem, all time.
@Toofy2932
@Toofy2932 3 ай бұрын
Was just going to say calling chrisitan wade a 'deep cut' is a bit much, he played for the Lions
@t3649
@t3649 3 ай бұрын
He was a top level club player but never a top level test player
@milochapman5804
@milochapman5804 3 ай бұрын
@@t3649 True, but acting as if someone who went on a Lions tour was a semi-retired nobody just to prove a point is a little insincere.
@jonathanhenly99
@jonathanhenly99 3 ай бұрын
That was partly down to the fact he was hardly ever getting selected for the national side and so played far more club rugby. He wasn't on the same level as top international players. LRZ is.
@cameronstorey1983
@cameronstorey1983 3 ай бұрын
As a wasps fan geniunely shocked at squidges wade slander on his day one of the most electric wingers in the european rugby only reason he never got capped as much as he should have by england is simply timing issues at times when it looked like he was gonna get an england call up an injury pick up then jones came in and just point blank refused to acknowledge anyone who didnt play for saracens or Leicester
@london_to_the_bay
@london_to_the_bay 3 ай бұрын
Great vid as always.. interesting to hear the football/soccer connection.. Latham still one of my all time favourites
@DMurphyApple
@DMurphyApple 3 ай бұрын
Great job breaking this down! I played football and joined a friends side for a rugby match when they were short handed. It is SO different. For him, he will propably play offense, but I dont see how that works out. Technique for a receiver at that level is so nuanced and for a rugby player (assuming, dont have experience) a NFL playbook will be very close to impossible to handle. The complexity and detail of it combined with learning the techique behind it from the ground up is an unfathomable challenge. And if he doesnt play receiver, what does he do? Propably too tall for running back. Return Specialist maybe, but why would you switch sport for that? If he can get onto a roster in that role he might get time to develop, thats the only way I see this working out for him.
@simonkelly3173
@simonkelly3173 3 ай бұрын
In Ireland, we see that point about the continuity of a sport being more important for making a successful rugby convert pretty often; a lot of players (Tomás O'Leary, Darren Sweetnam, etc.) have backgrounds in high-level hurling or Gaelic football, even forwards like John Hayes. A fair few Gaelic footballers try to enter the NFL through the same international pathway too.
@Luic1987
@Luic1987 2 ай бұрын
I'd add that aussie rules is more adaptable for top gaelic footballers however over nfl
@scottmeehan2422
@scottmeehan2422 Ай бұрын
​@@Luic1987they used have matchs between a all ireland team and a all Australia team and used a set of rules made up from rules of gaelic football and aussie rules.
@Luic1987
@Luic1987 Ай бұрын
@@scottmeehan2422 yeh it's a shame the intl rules series have gone into the doldrums, I've always enjoyed them when they are on.
@Davis_T
@Davis_T 3 ай бұрын
His best natural position in my opinion after punt returner would be wide receiver where his height and speed would be useful. LRZ's adaptation to new American football specific skills (running routes, breaking jams, run blocking, etc.) remains the biggest factor in how successful this experiment will be.
@OrangeDrink74
@OrangeDrink74 3 ай бұрын
Best way for him to make a roster will be on Special Teams. I actually think he'd be more likely to excel as a gunner on punts more than a returner. He's fast and he can tackle. WR is going to be such a difficult conversion though I think if he's to have a position outside special teams it should be Safety he trains for. I thik he would struggle mightily at WR or CB, both of which he certainly has the speed, quickness and size to play. His problem starting as a 22 year old with a window of 2 or 3 years tops to make it is those positions play a significant amount of every snap not facing the action and having to make very quick adjustments when the ball is already in the air. That's a nightmarish proposition for him in my book. Now Safeties predominantly face the QB throughout the snap. That's a lot easier for a noob to adjust to. But it's still difficult to understand the alignments, what the offense is trying to do, read through their disguises and have the athletic ability to then make the play. Now Safeties have traditionally been big hitters. Which LRZ is not, but the game is changing, Safeties in particular are falling foul of suspensions for heavy hits. Helmet to helmets, etc. They need ti to be tackling more like Rugby players. More wrap up, less big hitting. That's a skill LRZ can bring that will actuallly be an advantage over a lot of guys playing that position right now.
@nexxogen
@nexxogen 3 ай бұрын
Superficially, this seems logical, but the problem with the WR position is (and take it from someone who has played and coached it) is that the most important part of it is running your route correctly, getting open in space and catching the ball. What you do after catching the ball is secondary. And what Rees-Zammit seems to excel at is running with the ball. This skill can successfully translate to American football, but running routes, shaking the defender off to get open and catch a bullet pass in traffic is a skill that doesn't exist in rugby and he'd have to learn it from scratch. I have no doubt that he will be able to do it decently, but the question is will he be able to do it as well or better than people who have been doing it since elementary school, against tough competition. The answer is most likely "no". On the other hand, he's not really built to be a running back and I do agree with the previous comment that he probably has the highest chance on special teams. But he probably will not be regularly outrunning anyone since in the NFL everyone playing at a skill position is essentially a high level sprinter.
@OrangeDrink74
@OrangeDrink74 3 ай бұрын
@@nexxogen He could be regularly outrunning people. If the speed he's been tracked at is accurate, 24mph top speed. Granted that's without pads/helmet but DK Metcalf topped the "Top Speed" charts in the NFL last year at 22.23mph. Tyreek Hill's top speed was 22.01mph. That's a big gap in LZR's favour. If it's accurate.
@georgyjohnson9195
@georgyjohnson9195 3 ай бұрын
@@OrangeDrink74LRZ is fast but no way near that fast. America produce some of the fastest people in the world Tyreek Hill ran 100m in 10.19 in 2012!
@OrangeDrink74
@OrangeDrink74 3 ай бұрын
@@georgyjohnson9195 yeah, I'm not convinced of the accuracy or comparability either, but that is a recorded top speed for Louis Rees-Zammit, 24mph. Which is supposedly a full 1mph faster that Tyreek Hill's fastest ever recorded top speed. And a full 2mph faster than Hill's fastest in 2023. Rees-Zammit ran 100m in 2022 in 10.44 though. Hill's 10.19 was with a +1.8m/s tail wind. Rees-Zammit's was indoors so no wind assistance. Be very interested to see what LRZ does in a 40 yard dash under combine conditions. It more likely happens at a Pro Day setting. Even Jordan Malaita didn't get a combine invite.
@beauabbott7154
@beauabbott7154 3 ай бұрын
i’m an american and my favorite sport has been rugby for 10 years, LRZ will do absolutely nothing in american football.
@giantschnauzer4875
@giantschnauzer4875 3 ай бұрын
I bloody hope so too. Wales need him back ASAP, no jac morgan either this year 😢
@truthbeforeopinions941
@truthbeforeopinions941 3 ай бұрын
And your reasoning? Rather than given your personal vitriol for anything Wales, please share as to why you think such! He is 6’3 and very athletic, he Physically can more than make it. Whether he can adapt to the environment and everything that for with it is another thing. He will definitely be a WR if he does make a Roster.
@sitiveniweleilakeba7359
@sitiveniweleilakeba7359 3 ай бұрын
The learning curve is actually insane and talent pool for Americans who've been playing this since kids is huge. One example is jarryd hayne, got onto the squad with physical talent alone but cracked when he had to learn another playbook his second year.
@aidansmith266
@aidansmith266 3 ай бұрын
@@truthbeforeopinions941Nobody is questioning his physical talent. Part of the issue is that he’s not a special physical talent in comparison to NFL wide receivers, and he’s never played the sport before. That’s a huge uphill battle for him.
@benhaslam8728
@benhaslam8728 3 ай бұрын
​@@aidansmith266 plenty of competent receivers are much smaller than LRZ. I know that there's more to it than size but he's got all the physicals
@briancarey9689
@briancarey9689 3 ай бұрын
hearing squidge say my favorite team and bane of my existence new york jets has made my day
@robertpurves3195
@robertpurves3195 3 ай бұрын
Great analysis Squidge, well done!
@amronnog
@amronnog 3 ай бұрын
Played both football and rugby as a linebacker and flanker, figured they'd be pretty similar, turns out they're not even remotely similar. The physicality was different, the mentality was different, but it was nice to be able to run with the ball on the outside like I was a wide receiver :)
@dannygiannascoli
@dannygiannascoli 2 ай бұрын
Paul Lasike is a class man! And powerful ball carrier. Loved playing with him
@mhillirl
@mhillirl 3 ай бұрын
This is a brilliant and thoughtful piece.
@ako8357
@ako8357 3 ай бұрын
Not jazzed about it but I wish him the best! Thanks for the vid and congrats on the new office ^^
@jakesmith2582
@jakesmith2582 3 ай бұрын
As a lover of both sports I have to say this is a magnificently researched video, really does all involved justice
@dylanhill8886
@dylanhill8886 3 ай бұрын
Not an expert but have experience playing both sports at a high level (university) the core philosophy of the sports is radically different and I have seen transitions both ways fail miserably. This isn't a knock on either athletic ability but a realization of the fundamental differences in the way each sport is played. And nfl player would athletically be capable of playing club rugby but would struggle with the soft skills like positioning and running support. Rugby players conversely have so many reactions built into finding space and creating passing opportunities that while uber athletic fundamentally don't work on the American football field. Conversely while rugby players can perform the tackle part of the game well the defensive schemes are so radically different that play defense for a rugby player is playing blind. There is no blocking in rugby and I have scene hard hitting rugby defenders miss read a blocking scheme because in rugby reactions teach you to ignore those in front of the ball. Reverse is also true for American football players and their instincts. I would be a millionaire if I got a dollar everytime a American football first center tried to "beast mode" for extra meters and lost the ball because he left his forwards behind. Both sports are extremely athletic but this is like saying I'm good at chess so im also going to be good at another strategy based game. Quite frankly the best transition from an American sport to rugby I have ever seen is a power forward from basket ball to an 8th man. Don't have any experience from rugby to basket ball but I assume it could go the other way.
@gregcable3250
@gregcable3250 3 ай бұрын
Can't go from rugby to basketball which is a very very high skill game--takes years to learn how to handle the ball, dribble, pass, shoot, develop a basketball IQ. Am surprised anyone went the other way, too.
@kurupt7154
@kurupt7154 3 ай бұрын
Probably the most common sense take on this video! There are too many “these guys are tougher” “my sport is harder” takes which just make no sense!! There is nothing in the physical side of things that players wouldn’t be able to adjust to! (I have seen some American football converts struggle with the mentality of going into contact without pads) but that can be over come! It comes down to different skills and different learned behaviours like you said!
@bellingdog
@bellingdog 2 ай бұрын
Manfred Moore comes to mind, he is the only player to ever score a touchdown in the US and a try in Australia at the top level in each code (Rugby League in Australia). He was a Superbowl player but only played 4 games of Rugby League before being relegated to reserve grade and then opting to head back to the NFL. He was a special teams player.
@NicoJRoos
@NicoJRoos 3 ай бұрын
Is there nothing you cannot break down and explain excellently? Man, as always, great video.
@jackvaughan102
@jackvaughan102 3 ай бұрын
Never ever ever thought I'd see a clip of a football game at Fitton Field at Holy Cross featured in a Squidge video...Up the Cross!
@justinoswald8825
@justinoswald8825 3 ай бұрын
First! (Of the long string of South Africans who'll bring up that Naas Botha was in the Dallas Cowboys squad in the mid-80s as a kicker but never got game time cause he never got a hang of kicking an American football. Did lead the Dallas Harlequins rugby team to a national title while he was there, though.)
@devongarvie6261
@devongarvie6261 3 ай бұрын
Beat me to it 😅
@user-nk9cw5md8l
@user-nk9cw5md8l 3 ай бұрын
Same applied to Cliffy Brown a rugby winger/ fullback who was a team mate of Naas Botha for Northern Transvaal and he also played rugby for Natal in the 80's He went to the NFL the same year as Naas and was part of the New Orleans Titans roster as a kicker but only played a handful of pre season games. Gary Anderson was the only successful south African to make a long career in the NFL. He was a kicker for 23 seasons there right through the 80's and 90's up until the early 2000's. Currently there is a south African with an American accent named Dieter Eiselen who is into his 3rd or 4th year on a pro roster. He was with the Chicago bears now with a team in Houston. Big lad at 145kg but he learnt the game through playing it at college over there.
@louismaloney6611
@louismaloney6611 3 ай бұрын
In early 80's Naas Botha played NFL in america
@frederickpetzer-moore4883
@frederickpetzer-moore4883 3 ай бұрын
Went to a trail for Dallas Cowboys..did not play
@aldobonaso3481
@aldobonaso3481 3 ай бұрын
ja he tried out for the Dallas Cowboys, but ended up playing a season for an American rugby team instead, if memory serves me correctly.
@louismaloney6611
@louismaloney6611 3 ай бұрын
@@aldobonaso3481 Heard Naas talked about it last year around world cup time. I understood from hiim talking about it he played as kicker for a season or 2 then came back to SA. The rugby he played there was with SA team touring Americas. Not official SA tour.
@user-nk9cw5md8l
@user-nk9cw5md8l 3 ай бұрын
@aldobonaso3481 yes he played club rugby for the dallas harlequins and under Naas they won the national club rugby championship that year. He was actually the backup kicker fir the cowboys after the 1st choice kicker but never got game time so he switched back to being actively involved in rugby. Another South African rugby player Cliffy Brown who played wing for Natal and Northern Transvaal had a similar journey in NFL to Naas, even the same year, and played as a kicker for New Orleans Saints, got more actual playing opportunity than Naas but also didn't stick around. The only South African to make it big as a kicker there was Gary Anderson, a non rugby player, at least not a big name in SA anyway, he was more into soccer and was on a soccer scholarship in America when he transitioned over to American football, played 2 seasons of college football as a kicker then got drafted to the NFL where he spent 23 seasons as a kicker. Played from 1982 until about 2004/2005.
@user-nk9cw5md8l
@user-nk9cw5md8l 3 ай бұрын
@louismaloney6611 naas played rugby for the dallas harlequins club side for a season and they won the national club rugby champs that season under Naas. Was either the same year or the year after he trialled for the cowboys in NFL. He was backup kicker for the cowboys but never got any game time as 1st choice kicker played every game. Cliffy Brown the ex Natal and northern transvaal wing also went to America in 1983 as a kicker and made the New Orleans NFL team as a kicker, but like Naas didn't get much game time. Gary Anderson is the only south African to make it big there as a kicker, 23 seasons in total, as 1st choice. He however had the advantage of going there to college after school in SA and played college football.
@abdulrastagar
@abdulrastagar 2 ай бұрын
Nice summary. Well done
@robertdavies2867
@robertdavies2867 3 ай бұрын
He’s definitely a good enough athlete. Skill positions are just so hard to get into having not grown up living football. The decisions on how to run a route, where to stop etc need to be instinctual. Hopefully be can get in as a deep threat where they keep it simple but he’s gonna have to work so hard to catch up. The rugby players who would have the best shot at making it are guys like Skelton who are just MASSIVE. You can’t teach that size and if you look at the guys the IPP took they are all big linemen which tells you everything you need to know.
@monsieurwolf6122
@monsieurwolf6122 3 ай бұрын
Always thought Skelton was the twin of Mailata. Locks I think translate really well to offensive tackles due to length and having to be decently athletic. I think it's hard for skill guys since lateral speed is so much more important than running in a straight line since you rarely get the chance in the NFL if playing running back.
@samguitarguy
@samguitarguy 3 ай бұрын
Dunno mate, Christian wade was pretty lethal for wasps. Not far behind LRZ in hype. Just England’s play style meant they wanted wingers with a more diverse skill set like Jack Nowell and Elliot Daly over a speed merchant
@maldarkangel
@maldarkangel 3 ай бұрын
and got demolished by a wade like winger in the world cup :(
@dylandunne2675
@dylandunne2675 3 ай бұрын
Great content as always. Thanks for not crapping on (American) football.
@jacqueschouette7474
@jacqueschouette7474 3 ай бұрын
Paul Lasike played both rugby and gridiron football when he was at BYU. In the fall, he played running back on the BYU football team and in the spring, he played on the BYU rugby team as center. When he was asked which was harder, he said rugby because you have to play both sides of the ball (defense and offense) and you don't have time to rest after each play. He mentioned on a number of occasions that even after playing an entire football season, he would still not be in shape for rugby season.
@macgraham4810
@macgraham4810 25 күн бұрын
Very interesting stuff.please keep this thread going
@saucyisawesome
@saucyisawesome 24 күн бұрын
I’m from Kansas City and I wish him well. Special teams or RB will be the best position for him and that’s me being generous with RB. That’s a very tough position when it comes to blocking. You have to be able to read the defense and know where the blitz are coming from. You’ll have different size grown men whether they’re small and quick or big and strong coming after the QB and you have to be there not miss a block or you’ll have a short career. I saw a post about being a WR but that’s a highly skilled position. You had to have been playing that role since high school or earlier. I really want him to succeed. I can’t wait for this season. Let’s go LRZ!
@evertog
@evertog 3 ай бұрын
Great analysis, in-depth and an interesting comparison with football that I hadn't thought of before. I wish LRZ luck, and I think he'll need it. I think his hype is because he's fast and because he's a big fish in a small pond in Wales. If he was English he might be just another Radwan, and he wouldn't start for a lot of other countries' national teams. Frankly Jarryd Hayne and Christian Wade are more talented runners (he would have had heaps of caps had he been Welsh), as is Valentine Holmes. If they couldn't make it, I doubt LRZ could.
@carlomercorio1250
@carlomercorio1250 26 күн бұрын
In 1983, Springbok great Naas Botha tried out for the Dallas Cowboys as a kicker as did Natal player Cliff Brown at New Orleans Saints - both played preseason games but were cut from the roster. Colin Scotts played lock for Australian Schools in 1982 before learning the American game at University of Hawaii. He had a season with the then St Louis Cardinals; big lad at 1.98m and 120kg
@Lastclerk3
@Lastclerk3 Ай бұрын
Rees-Zammit just signed with the Kansas City Chiefs. For those who aren’t familiar with the NFL they’re currently the cream of the crop. Ultimately weather he works out probably depends on his ability to catch, but with the best player in the NFL it’s probably the best situation he could be put in for success
@extrojan22
@extrojan22 Ай бұрын
Correct, his hands will determine his success. He could be a good linebacker if he can read routes which is easier said than done
@StriderDSC
@StriderDSC 3 ай бұрын
One big factor that will determine whether LRZ is a success or not is the organization that he goes to. Several teams in the NFL have had great success with finding natural athletes (meaning non-American football players) who they can teach fundamentals to and hope to grow them into the sport over a few years. One major stumbling block is that the NFL itself puts limits on team activities and how much coaches can work with players in a practice setting that's not in-season, so that will impact his ability to develop outside of training camp. Once camp starts, the dynamics change very quickly from rapid development to see who is worth sticking around, to preparing for the season which is why so many converts end up on practice squads because they need more time and reps. Tom Brady has a great interview about this and how the NFL harms itself from having players master fundamentals outside of camp. If LRZ has a basic understanding of fundamentals, he might get a faster start. Good luck to him.
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 25 күн бұрын
Well he's been signed to one of the greatest living minds in the sport of American Football. The Pep Guardiola of the sport, if you will. If anyone is going to be able to find a clever way to use LRZ it's Andy Reid.
@connorbeuy3691
@connorbeuy3691 3 ай бұрын
I do think it will be an uphill battle for LRZ to make a roster but I do think he has the skills to make it. My initial thoughts are that he should choose a position and hone in on it from day 1 as there’s a ton that goes into each position. My best guess is as a KR/PR and secondary position being WR. If he impresses NFL scouts and GMs he might end up being drafted really late on (much like Jordan Mailata). But that’s a big if. Good luck to him and his camp tho.
@gezzarandom
@gezzarandom 3 ай бұрын
It’ll be fascinating to see how he gets on.
@lewisanderson4173
@lewisanderson4173 2 ай бұрын
Great video and a very accurate analysis, as a fan of both sports I couldn't of put it better myself. LRZ is taking a huge gamble and based on the track record of previous players that have converted, I do have a slight fear that he's chucking his rugby career down the drain. However if anyone can make it big in the NFL from rugby, it's him. He's still a young player that already has knowledge of the game (despite never actually having playing experience), but it's all going to depend on what franchise he ends up at and how much of a chance the franchise want to make with him. I can see him being back on the rugby pitch within the next decade if he's successful (and I personally think he'd make a great wide receiver), but if he ends up being another bit part in the practice squad like most other rugby to NFL converts, he's going to be on his way to France in about 2 to 3 years if he knows his worth. For his sake I really hope the gamble pays off and if anything I really hope he ends up with a franchise that wants to take a gamble on him too. With the right coaching staff, he could be nurtured into a potentially big asset into an offensive roster
@Tykozuro
@Tykozuro 3 ай бұрын
From my limited experience in both sports, they are extremely different in the nuances. You need to catch up with lingo, the formations, the differences in PoV, keep your head on swivel, blocking techniques, cut tackles/blocks, safely tucking the ball and that's before you can find a specialist position. Plus you are compete against people who've played all their lives and still find it hard to find a roster spot. I wish him all the best because he will have to start from scratch
@eddieaguirre605
@eddieaguirre605 3 ай бұрын
This channel needs 1m subs
@aidansmith266
@aidansmith266 3 ай бұрын
Haloti Ngata is another player who grew up playing Rugby and became a football player later on. Vita Vea of the Buccaneers is Taulupe Faletau’s cousin, and has talked about growing up as a rugby player as well.
@juwankane5150
@juwankane5150 3 ай бұрын
These guys are legit mountain men freaks. They play Nose Tackle which is 6ft 4+ and 150kg+ You can’t teach that size and power and they’re both Pro-Bowl talents (Ngata is a 5 time All-Pro). Louis is not in that category unfortunately for him. He’s fast but probably no quicker than the average Wide Reveiver or Cornerback. Going to be a hard transition.
@aidansmith266
@aidansmith266 3 ай бұрын
@@juwankane5150I very much agree. The skills needed to learn defensive tackle are also far less significant than a skill position if you’ve already mastered the “be big and incredibly athletic” part.
@buzzbartholomew3714
@buzzbartholomew3714 3 ай бұрын
He was born in California & played high school football as well as rugby before playing college football.
@spoketechnology5460
@spoketechnology5460 2 ай бұрын
this was your best squarespace placement yet
@benjdelphi
@benjdelphi 3 ай бұрын
Best analogy I have heard is that Rugby and American Football are like English and Japanese, yes they are both languages but that is about where the overlap ends. And while plenty of people speak both languages very few people end up being published authors in both languages. Toughness and Physicality are present in both, but the goals, flow, strategy of the game are nearly diametrically oppossed. Short Tactictal Play vs. Endurance Long Term Strategic Thinking. Someone will be able to do both, but I doubt too successfully.
@stamper810
@stamper810 3 ай бұрын
Murica is a big country with many more athletes. I think he'll be a smaller fish in a much bigger pond so may not stand out enough in the combine or training to get drafted. Also, some may question NFL player IQs but those playbooks can be long and complex to a newbie.
@jamesbrawn2411
@jamesbrawn2411 3 ай бұрын
The natural fit for LRZ will be on special teams. Most likely as a gunner on punt coverage teams where he can pin his ears back and sprint down the field to get after the returner. This is probably the most convertible skill he possesses as it is similar to a traditional kick chase in rugby. He will certainly get a look at KR. It gives him the most time and space to hit top gear and to use his skills as a runner. He won’t get looks on the defensive side. He would not have the experience and skills to play CB (for example, backpedaling and opening the hips to follow a receiver). On offense, his build isn’t suited to running back, plus he probably wouldn’t be able to pass block with any competence. WR is an option as he could conceivably learn the route tree. But could he adapt to receiving bullet passes? Also could he learn the nuances of sneaking up the seam, sitting down when the CB is in zone coverage? I do gently wonder if he could get looks at punter? He does have a decent boot on him, and many Aussie rules players have made successful punters. One thing that does stand in his stead is practise squad rules have changed in the past few seasons. As opposed to being on the practise squad all year and being permanently elevated to the active roster, you can be temporarily elevated 4x per season. If injuries pop up on the team, he could be activated for a few games just to see how he performs.
@juwankane5150
@juwankane5150 3 ай бұрын
This is the most likely scenario. Everyone has become excited about seeing a rugby player torching the NFL and they just don’t get it. He’d be a good gunner, but is that even what he wants to do? I’d presume he wants to be a Wide Receiver. There’s a lot of playbook to learn with that, route trees, blocking for run plays, getting off man press against the most physical guys he will have ever played against. It’s a tall task. Special teams or bust I’d put money on, but I would be pleased to see him prove us wrong.
@PaulSarries
@PaulSarries 3 ай бұрын
@@juwankane5150 The most physical guys he will have ever played against? Really? You don't rate elite, international, test level rugby players very highly then?
@juwankane5150
@juwankane5150 3 ай бұрын
@@PaulSarries Different kind of physicality. NFL players probably can’t hang for 80 minutes straight but Rugby players will find the short bursts in the NFL more physical on a per play basis for sure.
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
Great video. Personal view, he won't make it because his instinctive reactions to events will be a tenth of a second behind his opponents. I grew up playing rugby, discovered American Football at 18 and then played that for 10 years - only late on could I describe my on field reactions as unconscious / instant. It takes years to get there. Would love LRZ to prove me wrong!
@shinywarm6906
@shinywarm6906 3 ай бұрын
exactly. Its only after playing for years that you get that "instinct". Typically along the lines of the instantaneous understanding, "In these kind of set-ups, a gap opens between first and second blockers, so thats where I need to head" or "that space looks tempting, but it's usually a trap"
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
@@shinywarm6906 Yes, even if LRZ is the superior athlete (and it won't be by a big margin if he is), then that small gap in reaction speed will be a killer.
@jordlang97
@jordlang97 3 ай бұрын
would you say that having to be reactive is more on the defensive side, where as attacking is more drilled?
@paulcasey4282
@paulcasey4282 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t compare you with LRZ though. LRZ is a world class athlete and one of the best in the world. He’s already has to show a fantastic ability to improve to be one of the best in the world. I apologise if I am speaking to Bryan Habana here but if you aren’t Bryan Habana, you come across as rather arrogant.
@davidmorrey1739
@davidmorrey1739 3 ай бұрын
@@jordlang97 Rather than offense Vs defense I'd say it was more a case that some positions demand more complex processing of opposition reads than others. Unfortunately the positions LRZ has the physical tools for (WR, Safety) are at the high end of that read and react spectrum. The best positions for pure athletes (ie without high levels of game intelligence) in my opinion are DE, CB and kick returner.
@pedromayers3268
@pedromayers3268 3 ай бұрын
Channel legend Psalm Wooching!!
@aidansmith266
@aidansmith266 3 ай бұрын
He was a very fun player at Washington.
@jacobfamily4544
@jacobfamily4544 3 ай бұрын
2:42 - Also, the 80s saw a lot of internal problems in the NFL and a ratings problem. It was when the super halftime show was introduced, and a number of other "entertainment factors" were either introduced or pushed more to bring in more casual fans. The 80s is why American football saw its 2nd big boom in the 90s & 00s (the first being the couple of decades following WWII). American football is nearly unrecognisable today compared to its counterpart in the 1940s or 1950s. Its more of a show than a competition, especially in the Goodell era. And they're always looking for ways to add or change the rules to make it more entertainment-friendly and less competition-friendly. Rugby on the other hand has more or less remained more similar to its older counterparts considering the changes that have occurred in its history. Its still very much a game.
@samphelps856
@samphelps856 3 ай бұрын
Thank you
@SUPERhodri1
@SUPERhodri1 3 ай бұрын
Love the Tshirt Squidge 🖤
@julianwilson6219
@julianwilson6219 2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget the Legend Gary Hein! Played Grid Iron and Rugby for Cal Berkeley, played for the USA in the first 2 world cups and then went to 2 15’s world cups and made 29 caps for the USA sevens team.
@dylankotze2722
@dylankotze2722 3 ай бұрын
Naas Botha was a placekicker for the dallas cowboys for one year in 1983. He would rank as one of SA's best 10's ever. PS..love the breakdown of the difference between the two sports
@buzzbartholomew3714
@buzzbartholomew3714 3 ай бұрын
He wasn't. Tried out. Kicked very well in preseason but didn't make the roster. They ready had Raphael Septien. All - Pro kicker.
@OrangeDrink74
@OrangeDrink74 3 ай бұрын
It's going to be interesting to see how he does in NFL Combine like drills. Malaita got drafted (very rare for International Players) largely because, well, he's extremely large with movement you don't often see in guys that size. Hell you don't often see guys that size unless they need to lose 40lbs of flab. LRZ has alleged high end speed that would eclipse the fastest guys currently in the league. If he comes in and can run a 40 yard dash in 4.3s at 6'3" and 200lbs and do well in the agility drills as well, he has a shot at someone drafting him in the late rounds purely on athletic ability for Special Teams. If he can excel at Special Teams, he has a shot at the roster. Teams do carry Specialists at Special Teams who rarely if ever see snaps on Offense or Defense, my own team, the Pittsburgh Steelers have two of them. Neither is a returner. Milles Killebrew and Myles Boykin. Killebrew is a Safety, but it took 4 injuries for him to see snaps. Boykin is the last WR on the depth chart, one of the best gunners in the NFL and gets all his offensive snaps when we're going to run the ball because he's our best blocker at WR. Those guys will have long careers just for Special Teams. They've peaked as position players, they're bottom of the roster as position players. LRZ would have a shot as a career special teamer (if he can excel) to develop in a position on top.
@peterdavies5990
@peterdavies5990 3 ай бұрын
On a different, but related note, the legendary Waisele Serevi made a success in the NFL on the coaching staff of the Seattle Seahawks, where he taught the how to tackle properly.
@GRB-tj6uj
@GRB-tj6uj 3 ай бұрын
Did they hire him specifically for that? Because that would be extremely funny; hiring one of the most skilled players with ball in hand ever to train defence
@StefanWB
@StefanWB 2 ай бұрын
I do remember reading that the Seahawks were one of the first teams to try and focus on teaching rugby tackling to their players, and they had great success with it. Leading with the shoulder, keeping your head up, and wrapping at the waist/legs is less instinctive when you've got all that armour on, but concussions and head injuries have been a huge deal in all levels of the sport over the past decade-plus, and new rules penalise players who lead with the helmet because it's so much more dangerous. High schools across the nation have been cutting their football programs not because the kids don't love football, but because the parents are scared of their kids suffering a life-changing neck/spine/brain injury, and the long-term studies and resulting lawsuits related to CTE and concussions has made the insurance rates that schools are on the hook for prohibitively expensive. Teaching rugby tackling is therefore a very good thing for coaches at youth levels to do, and once you have a generation of players who were brought up learning how to tackle this way, you'll start to see it more at the college level and then at the pro level.
@liammartin6636
@liammartin6636 3 ай бұрын
There was a guy on my college rugby team who used to be quarterback on the football team. For one reason or another, he left the team and joined the rugby club instead and was fantastic. A lot of the guys on my current club team grew up playing football and they're all great rugby players now. It's very easy to switch sports and be good, but this is at an amateur level. Even if you're among the best in the world at one sport, switching to a new one and trying to play with the best of the best isn't easy.
@tristanmills4948
@tristanmills4948 3 ай бұрын
He'd be a good kick returner, but I think that element of the game is less important with so many rule changes to try and lessen the danger. Wide receiver is the next place. If he can develop the catching skills and learn the routes he may have a small chance of getting off the practice squad. Of course, he can at least teach them how to tackle ;)
@zandman3737
@zandman3737 3 ай бұрын
as a chiefs fan, he could practice catching for a day or two and probably be our wr2
@Luic1987
@Luic1987 2 ай бұрын
Like the 'for NFL fans' disclaimer for explaining Rugby League. But should have been on the screen half a second longer, took me 3 attempts to pause on it correctly. Not hating RL like both sports, but explaining it like Canadian football in Canada but for Australia with regards to their preferred Rugby worked well as a very broad stroke.
@coffeehouse44
@coffeehouse44 2 ай бұрын
You seemed to have missed the four AFL punters from Australia currently playing in the NFL. One was a punter in last weekend Superbowl.
@jf_knows_nothing
@jf_knows_nothing 3 ай бұрын
Sports are very similar but wildly different. Not sure it’ll work out but that would be really cool.
@matthewdobson100
@matthewdobson100 3 ай бұрын
The International Player Performance Pathway is just another part of NFL marketing. It's not a real attempt to get overseas players into their league. If it was they'd be coming over and looking at 18-19 year olds in the acadamies and offering them scholarships into US college systems to learn the game that way (there probably are people on scholarships playing the game this way you just don't hear about them until they're in the NFL). All they want is the odd high profile guy from another sport/country so that newspaper/internet/social media talks about the NFL when they wouldn't otherwise and it exposes the sport a little bit more. Ultimatley the success of the IPPP as far as the NFL are concerned is how many website hits, addtional viewers, overseas TV rights increases, etc it generates. LRZ will make a practice squad because there is no real risk to a team to put him on one and there will be pressure from the league to keep the IPPP relevant and the interest flowing.
@matthewdobson100
@matthewdobson100 3 ай бұрын
My prediction is he'll be back in rugby in 3 years just in time for the next world cup with Wales.
@qjnmh
@qjnmh 3 ай бұрын
This I think is very perceptive and very right.
@loganleroy8622
@loganleroy8622 25 күн бұрын
@@matthewdobson100 Most NFL careers are only for 3 years anyway. If he lasts that long it'll be a huge achievement.
@poeticalvision
@poeticalvision Ай бұрын
I respect the gamble. The thing is, if you DO manage to find a spot on an NFL team and even be good enough to call yourself a star, the amount of money you would make absolutely dwarfs that of Rugby (no offense, America is just a larger market and the money flowing in sponsorships and contracts is crazy for the top guys)
@stephencave187
@stephencave187 3 ай бұрын
I love watching Zammit on the rugby pitch, an exciting young player. He needs bucket loads of luck to make it in the NFL. Those football guys are the best of the best of the best in their profession. Even loads of 1st round picks don't make it to game time. 32 teams of 50+ players = about 1600. In a country of what...800 million people? That is some odds man.
@danielgavin7285
@danielgavin7285 3 ай бұрын
Both are great sports, the throwing aspect of American Football really adds another dynamic and it makes it fun. The idea that everyone can score makes Rugby more universal and fun. We gotta make an in between sport
@PaulSarries
@PaulSarries 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, no. American football is interesting but the fluidity and the wonderful chaos of rugby union is far superior imo.
@johnlang1781
@johnlang1781 2 ай бұрын
I’m an American with no rugby knowledge but this is pretty fascinating. I’m really curious what LRZ will play in the NFL, as his body type best fits the mold of a receiver, but so much technique is required for the position. But you can’t teach speed so he’ll have a great shot regardless
@rohp1283
@rohp1283 3 ай бұрын
Hey bro, you missed out Naas Botha, who played for the Dallas Cowboys and successfully made it back to SA rugby, after many believed he should not have been given a second chance.
@aidansmith266
@aidansmith266 3 ай бұрын
In fairness, he tried out but did not make it, and ended up playing a season for a local rugby club instead.
@buzzbartholomew3714
@buzzbartholomew3714 3 ай бұрын
Yeah he didn't make it on to the Cowboys' roster. They already had Raphael Septien- an all-pro kicker. SA Rugby offered him the Springbok captaincy if he returned.
@godzamoongus
@godzamoongus 3 ай бұрын
I'm still trying to work out what position he's gonna play. Obviously punt returner is an option but they don't always return the ball. Wide Reciever is possible but thats a very different skillset to Rugby. My money is either Safety/Cornerback on the defence, or Running Back on the offense. Either way, I'm intrigued
@godzamoongus
@godzamoongus 3 ай бұрын
Either way, I would 100% take him at my Bengals
@aidanmcguire313
@aidanmcguire313 Ай бұрын
Good work squidge and the hairier brother!
@matthewbazeley2984
@matthewbazeley2984 3 ай бұрын
Everyone saying the NFL is too complex for LRZ, yet I won the Superbowl on Madden when I was 11. It can't be that hard.
@RossKempOnYourMum01
@RossKempOnYourMum01 3 ай бұрын
Most of the players are fairly anonymous outside the quarterbacks and selected based on their athletic attributes - which is they all have the same phenotype. Positions like tunning bsck are almost dosposable now
@pseudophotog
@pseudophotog 3 ай бұрын
A key question - perhaps for another video - is what position Rees-Zoomit would play, given the extreme specialisation of NFL, where the mulitple attack/defence skillset of a rugby player carries no value? Is he big enough for a tight end, or explosive enough for a running back? I don't think so. Punt return is the most obvious, but hardly mainstream, and he would still be competing against running back types with greater fast twitch explosive manoeuvrability. The catching-jumping skill set for a wide receiver is very different from a winger/finsher in rugby - could he learn that? NFL fans noted that Christian Wade ran away from his blockers rather than using them. This type of tactical adaptation is is also hard. I would sincerely love him to make it but I suspect that a compact and explosive Cheslin Colby/ Jason Robinson-type player might be better suited to NFL.
@LisztyLiszt
@LisztyLiszt 3 ай бұрын
I liked the comparison between football and rugby. Interesting points on intelligence, endurance, and attrition. Wouldn't be so sure about the conditioning. And even the smallest rugby player would be overweight at the top level of football.
@bryanellis459
@bryanellis459 3 ай бұрын
You also have Harry Mallinder ex of Northampton, and Daragh Leader ex of Connacht joining the program this year
@ambumadilonga5245
@ambumadilonga5245 3 ай бұрын
Sounds like this is big news in Wales (and Europe). Hope it works out for him
@bendigeidfranemmanueljones5694
@bendigeidfranemmanueljones5694 3 ай бұрын
It's big news in his head, where he is much more important than his country.
@lawofbob
@lawofbob 3 ай бұрын
It will be tough. It is just hard to tell if his rugby gameplay speed translates to NFL gameplay speed. It is like asking if a marathon runner could succeed at middle distance.
@ct1296
@ct1296 2 ай бұрын
Great analysis. People see an NFL running back brushing off full-bodied tackles and presume the games are comparable. In reality, the highlight-reel play you’re being shown that looks like it could’ve come from a Rugby breakaway is usually an anomaly. To me, the biggest difference is the rehearsal aspect of NFL plays, The rugby greats all have this innate feel for of the tempo of the game; in addition to being great athletes, they pick up on the ebb and flow of a constantly evolving gamestate and wait for the key moment to assert their dominance. It’s a constant state of mind they have to tap into over the course of 80 minutes. NFL plays are the opposite - you’re given your assignment for every play, and the difference between a player doing the bare minimum vs someone pulling off a game-changing play comes down to their reactions being a few milliseconds faster, or them covering a few inches of additional ground. Every comparable skill-position player in the NFL with a starting job can make the same kinds of plays as LRZ shows on his highlight reel. The difference is that they’re only required to show that explosivity in short bursts over the course of 3 hours. If he wants to set himself apart, it won’t be enough to just be an insane athlete - he’ll need to study the hell out of tape, and find a way to repurpose the unique kind of athleticism a career in Rugby has resulted in.
@JamesPrestonza
@JamesPrestonza 3 ай бұрын
Amazing video. One extremely minor detail: Did you say "renumerate" or "remunerate" at 2:26? Because I'm pretty sure it's meant to be "remunerate", a common mistake. 🤪
@Samizouza
@Samizouza 3 ай бұрын
Very bold from LRZ, best of luck to him
@GWills-ys6rd
@GWills-ys6rd 2 ай бұрын
Superb analysis, especially the observation that Zammo is arguably the most gifted prime rugby union player to switch to NFL. If I were him, I'd set a target to bank a minimum $15 million and then return to rugby union. This is feasible with a duration of 3 years in NFL. It's obviously a win-win in terms of his own personal sporting brand. The only risk to his plan is injury, but this is true for all sports at an elite level.
@davidadshade2927
@davidadshade2927 3 ай бұрын
Best fit for a rugby player is Tight end or punter, and LRZ is not 6'8"+. Oddly enough, I would say the RG Synman would have the best chance in the NFL.
@blackflamesolutions526
@blackflamesolutions526 3 ай бұрын
If LRZ tries out as a wide receiver he'll find catching a pass rather different to rugby. In American football the catching is more akin to fielding in the slips in cricket (as far as how hard the ball can be thrown - it can break fingers) and you have the issue that defenders can smash you as soon as the ball arrives. Key factors that will impress coaches will be his vertical jump and his short distance speed. 40 yard speed is not the same as 100m speed. Carlin Isles is faster than Usain Bolt over 40m, but Bolt runs the last 50m much faster. NFL 'speed' tends to be more about being incredibly rapid for short bursts as you rarely get to go that far. Also, violent changes of direction without slowing down are valued as are 'juke', 'cut' and 'spin' moves that you don't see too often in rugby to generate YAC (yards after completion). He'll also have to get used to the fact that the sort of tackles that get immediately carded in rugby are standard in NFL, for example the 'bowling ball' no wrap hit to the lower legs or general no-wrap shoulder hit to the chest or even head.
@lmarislmarislmaris4271
@lmarislmarislmaris4271 3 ай бұрын
There are 4 downs in gridiron, not 3. But on most 4th downs, the ball is usually kicked at goal posts or punted away. This is most likely what LMZ will be: punter or special teams (catcher of opposition punts).
@juwankane5150
@juwankane5150 3 ай бұрын
I doubt he’ll actually punt the ball. It’s highly specialised and he wasn’t even a regular kicker in Rugby Union. Edit: Not a kicker as in ‘in-play booting the ball 50 metres’, not place kicker. He can do it, but he’s not the player you’d choose to go for touch from 50 metres.
@lmarislmarislmaris4271
@lmarislmarislmaris4271 3 ай бұрын
@@juwankane5150 punting & place kicking are 2 different positions in the NFL. I don’t think he will be signed by any team though.
@juwankane5150
@juwankane5150 3 ай бұрын
@@lmarislmarislmaris4271 I know, I’m saying he doesn’t regularly punt the ball in the way a punter would. That’s not a skill he already has, it’s one he’d have to learn so it’s not transferable and very likely won’t be the position he tries for. He does up and unders, grabbers, chips etc really well for sure. He’s not booming kicks the same way a fly half would.
@adamdwyer776
@adamdwyer776 3 ай бұрын
Most realistic chance is a special teams specialist gunner on kicks and punts, as a wr how many routes can he run can he run them as well as a guy who’s been robotically running them for over a decade to the point that it’s in their dna. What does he know about run block concepts. In terms of rules outside of the massive rule book on how you’re allowed to tackle the qb the wr defender interaction is incredibly complicated. How good is this guy at catching a football at nfl velocity. On all these points he better be perfect because he’s going to work his ass off to make a practice squad and then prove himself as capable and if he makes a mistake or drops a pass he’s done because why bother with a project.
@GeorgePlaten
@GeorgePlaten 3 ай бұрын
Not sure about that theory at all. Very little crossover between rugby and soccer in Ireland. Although there's probably a bit of shared IQ between GAA games in back-play in rugby. BOD was a GAA player first though.
@nickcorbett6649
@nickcorbett6649 Ай бұрын
In Australia soccer was typically played but rugby players as juniors. I was one such example. I also played rugby with an Irish lad who was a very, very good football player.
@leeofdoom4452
@leeofdoom4452 3 ай бұрын
Having worked in pro rugby for years, and spending 6 months at an NfL teaam, the games demands are night and day. The best way i can explain it, is have you seen the tik tok videos of kids doing walking drills? Theyll hike the ball, walk off with a walking defender trying to block the pass. The best receivers will walk slower than the defender and still leave them for dead, receiving the ball AND humiliating the defender to fall, slip, lose sight etc... NFL players arent fit, they are incredibly powerfull and explosive in a few specific areas, a wide reciever is so much more explosive on the turn, weave, step, faint etc than LRZ could ever be. Wades movement abilities leant themselves to NFL so much better than LRZ does, especially as WR. The only chance LRZ has is at return, and his pace and ability to ride a hit could make him successful ish.
@aidanwatson3499
@aidanwatson3499 3 ай бұрын
I love rugby and American football and have followed both religiously for 15+ years. I can't see LRZ working out tbh. Christian Wade was too old, but at the peak of his powers he would have been perfect for the transition and he still didn't really get close to making it. My big question is what position can be play? He's too tall but not powerful enough to play running back, and most other positions are so intelligence based that his lack of experience will limit him massively. Wide receivers don't just run a prescribed route, they read and react to the defence and adjust accordingly, needing to be on completely the same wave path with their qb. My thinking is that his best opportunity would be as an H back, a kick returner, or a special teams player, all of which are less thrilling careers than what he would have had in rugby. That being said, if he runs a sub 4.4 40 yard dash I expect him to get picked up.
@B2YN
@B2YN 3 ай бұрын
What about Val Holmes? Australian and and State Of Origin representative, didn't go at the end of his career then came back to play very well for the Cowboys and QLD. I think he is more comparable than everyone mentioned in the video
@JaemanEdwards
@JaemanEdwards 3 ай бұрын
What a legend that Ebner was. Never heard of him.
@alunmorgan2352
@alunmorgan2352 3 ай бұрын
You don’t become great unless you take risks, you don’t achieve your goals if you stay in your comfort zone. I think he’s brave and the truth is none of us know if he’ll make it or not
@MikeyTiger37
@MikeyTiger37 3 ай бұрын
Im just fascinated to see what position he focuses on. I dont see hom as RB as hes a bit tall and not quite powerful enough for it. Possibly WR but that js super technical, abd will he learn fast enough to make an impact? Reckon he would do ok at Corner or Safety, but again super technical. I don't doubt his physical ability or his desire, but hes going to the place where those aren't rarities. Hope he does rugby proud.
@juwankane5150
@juwankane5150 3 ай бұрын
He’s most likely going to see game time through special teams, at least at first. Potentially as a returner but I think it’s more likely as a gunner, chasing down kickoffs and punts. It’s got the most transferable skills of running real fast and making a tackle. If he makes it onto the field in a real NFL game in an actual position that would be a wild success story. The NFL is the top 1% of athletes in North America and they’ve all been playing since they were kids. It will be a huge learning curve but at least he’s young, he’ll have time to experience it and return to rugby if it unfortunately doesn’t work out.
@zworm2
@zworm2 2 ай бұрын
I coached former college Football players and Lacrosse players to become a very successful College Rugby team. American Football is a game of inches, rugby flows continuously and inches rarely matter. A Football tackle is therefore a dead stop, rugby more of a judo throw. Lacrosse players adapted quickly. Football sometimes. Dislocated shoulder were an issue. Instinct is an important part of any game and this develops at a young age and is ingrained. I was invited to play college football but never did. Often wonder what would have resulted?
@royw-g3120
@royw-g3120 3 ай бұрын
Should easily make a roster on physical talent- can start off on special teams, open field tackling will be a doddle for him, as said learning the playbook will be the biggest challenge. However the NF L is continually de-emphasising the kick-off (most go for touchbacks) so it is much harder to make a team just as a returner. Not many guys like Brian Mitchell or Devin Hester having decade long careers now. LRZ could be a valuable Jack of all trades like Steve Tasker,
@osr4152
@osr4152 3 ай бұрын
Its really disappointing news for rugby but it's his life so good luck to him. He has the potential to be a once in a generation star for Wales. Imagine if Jonny Wilkinson had left the sport at a similar point in his career. He will be back, that's for sure, but will he develop to his potential.
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