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I thought the old lore was that the victory star destroyer went into service at the end of the clone wars and the imperial class came like 10 years later. Poor victory never gets any love

In the BB S1 Tech says Omega is a modified clone. In conversation between Lama su and tarkin its said there's 5 experimental clones people assumed echo was one of them but he's a "reg"

Disney still wants to keep writers on a fairly tight leash, and not let them go wild adding to the canon things that would possibly have to be countermanded later, which makes a lot of the things written by people without permission pretty dull. And ironically in the end that kind of tight leash policy still means that Disney will have to spend more time retconning things for fear of them getting out of hand, but all the retcons will be about very boring and minor things.

When I took on a Star Destroyer with my A-Wing in 1993's X-Wing I took out those little domes to drop their shields. I had no idea they were contested in the lore.

I always liked the idea that the Imperator/Imperial-I was a Clone Wars design. It made the whole timeline feel more connected and organic, and it just made sense that the Republic would be researching and developing bigger and more powerful warship designs during the war with the CIS. No war in modern history irl has relied on the exact same tools, ships, and technologies from start to finish. Especially when one of those tools is as monumentally deficient in its primary role as the Venator-class Star Destroyer is. There is ALWAYS development going on, and there are ALWAYS new weapon systems and such being introduced mid-war. And very frequently those systems which are brand new and state-of-the-art at the end of the last war end up being the basic standard issue by the time the next war comes around. In that way, the Imperator being around in limited service as a new advanced warship by the time of Revenge of the Sith gives the Republic/Empire's naval technology a feeling of realistic progression.

Never made sense for the republic to call their ship Imperator or Imperial, it also makes sense that Empire has slightly different design philosophy than the Republic.

I don’t get how people thought that they could say a GIRL clone was unmodified.

Back in the West End Games days, the Imperial was definitely a post-Clone Wars design, based on the wartime Victory-class. Even the Victory-II class was developed too late to see action in the war, but was used as a stopgap until the Imperials were ready for action. This was all before the Venator was invented, of course, and we got the first round of WU reshuffle because of the prequels.

Omega has always been asserted as enhanced in some fashion, however she's genetically unmodified. That specifically being her genotype is essentially derived from Jango Fett's own genetic material. As to how she's enhanced - potentially an advanced empath.

I hope we get to see the Imperial Star Destroyer make its first chronological appearance in the Bad Batch series finale.

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The backstory for Beru is from the Padme book trilogy if I remember correctly

I remember that the Imperator Class Star Destroyer was among the many ships that Palpatine had commissioned and stationed elsewhere in the Deep Core, and they joined the Battle of Coruscant later on as reinforcements for the Coruscant Defense Fleet.

Personally, I've always enjoyed the vehicle/location cross-section books.

Tbh saw this change coming long ago. We never saw the Imperator and idk it fits more as the face of the Empire, and I think the Victory fits better as a "transitional ship"

The Whitesun family being the Tatooine Underground Railway was on Wookiepedia but when I checked there wasn't a source for that in the article so its difficult to verify if it was an actual thing before or if someone's headcannon just got canonized.

The Essential Guide to Planets and Moon is forever burned into my memory from reading it over and over again as a kid in the ‘90s. And I still pull it off the shelf regularly because it gives me such a good nostalgia high.

In the book „Queen‘s hope“, there actually is another female clone trooper serving normally on the field with her brothers. It is also mentioned that Beru helped Sabée (I hope you write her name like that) with her mission to free the slaves.

I think they are being careful as to what they add in terms of lore that doesn't reflect with the tv show or movies and are trying not to go too off the board with it. Probably because they don't want the lore to be so necessary or intimidating for new fans that requires them to have read other material. Im not saying this is good or bad, its just a trend I noticed.

The weakest thing about these new books is that they don't go far enough with details. It's always the most basic bitch info (Kylo Ren has black boots, wow who knew?)

Beru Lars' backstory is derived from some novels, I believed.

Fav has gotta be the classic WEG sourcebooks, they are still informing books, shows, and films today.

Kind of sucks that the victory class star destroyer wasn't canonized

Thanks for the video

I'm pretty sure Omega being referred to as an unmodified clone is supposed to be in reference to her lifespan not being cut in half

They might just be sensor globes. Executor was under heavy fire and it could be like . "Sensor dome explodes" Officer was like : Oh s*** what was that? Looked at console and thought "Oh they endeed penetrated our shield" and told it to admiral.

I mean The passage could easily still indicate that the imperial class star destroyer was a think BEFORE the fall of the republic just mostly prototypes. The idea being that the Empires decloration began an emboldened focus on militarisation. another huge STEP akin to the start of the clonewars. Like it could just be that the Imperitor became like THE FOCUS of production to create the NEW fleet and replace the old 'republic' fleet

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You could interpet the Imperial Officer's remarks in RoTJ, (if they are sensor bulbs), that they lost system communication between the shield levels and the bridge. That might explain his statement. It could also be they were shields for the bridge, but they do present a very obvious target and sensors/scanners are often in the highest point for maximum coverage. I always assumed Imperial SD shields were located on the ventral dome-like feature.

what game is that your flying the Tie Inty around in? Ive seen you play that in other videos with Star Fox ships...

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I feel like there's still room to say the pre ISD Imperiator prototypes could have been deployed during the end of the clone wars, still room for the VSD as well, the early model AT-AT would also fit nicely into old lore with there being prototypes deployed during the clone wars era (I like again how awakening the rebellion gives both models as diffrent variants, the early model being more anti infentry/ light armor and the late model being more anti armor focused to reflect the changes in rebel hardware and tactics as time passes)

I agree, this is still miles away from the Essential Guides. And it's not from lack of material, in the comics alone there are lots of new ship variants (like the Mon Cal cruisers) or interesting weapon designs

I dislike this change. I like the Imperator as a secret prototype that helps meld the old Republic and new Empire together and help it flow from one to the other like with Clone Phase 2 armor leading to Stormtrooper armor with the TK trooper armor being in the middle.

Look up a Doppler radar and it becomes clear where the inspiration for the geodesic sensor domes originated…

Actually, there have been references to other books in reference books, they just haven't been too substantial when it comes to visual references. One book that did have some great book references was On the Front Lines, which had pictures and details of battles from both the movies and the books, and added some new lore to boot! I know a lot of this from Wookieepedia, but I'd love to get my hands on that book!

I have a question could you possibly make a video in the future on where to start when studying Star Wars lore and how to go about it because i just found out how cool the lore is and need some guidance

My favorite was the Thrawn Trilogy sourcebook. Loved the Zahn novels and the sourcebook fleshed them out.

I'm pretty sure in Rogue One they explicitly show fighters attacking those domes after someone says they need to take down the shields on the ISD's over Scariff. Also I liked the ISD's being designed and built during the Clone Wars. It was a great way of showing the militarization of the Republic and clear influence from Palpatine. Like it felt like preparation by Palpatine to preemptively prepare for the shift to the Empire, they could immediately start pumping out ISD's to lock down the Galaxy in just a few years.

Saturday night party game: Take a shoot every time he says "example".

Loved the Essential Guide to Warfare but also to date me a bit loved the CD Rom's they had Behind the Magic. They did two of them a standalone covering the Original Trilogy and the other covered Ep I. If it was an essential guide back in the day it was in my library.

i know its a video game but in rogue squadron 2 (i think its two) they very expliclty tell you in a mission that the balls are shield generators on a star destroyer and to go destroy them.

Interesting lore tidbits! Sorry this isn't on topic for the video, but what polygonal fighter game is being played as background footage around 4:10 and 6:45 of the video?

What is that awesome looking starfighter game in the background starting at 4:11 It looks really cool and I want to play it.

The original Essential Guide to Ships and Vessels, I can't count the number of times I read that book from cover to cover

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One thing I think could work is the fact that in the canon Build the Millennium Falcon Magazine, the imperator has a a slightly different ship than the imperial I. I believe the main difference is that the imperator had different containment cells like the ones seen in Attack of the Clones. I think that this difference is interesting and points out that although the imperator and Imperial I were slightly different, they were still practically the same and the changes were minimal enough to be called the same thing, but large enough for them to still be different. I also think the containment cells are interesting since it hunts to palpatine secretly preparing for order 66 by having his ships able to contain Jedi and this could potentially help kickstart the inquisitorious. With the fall of most Jedi and the Tarkin doctrine it makes sense that they would work to change the ship to adapt.

Damn man i loved the Imperator prototype for the Imperial I

I had the "Star Wars Original Trilogy" Plug & Play game as a kid (the one shaped like the Millennium Falcon), and in the "Red Leader" game, you had to destroy the geodesic shield bulbs before you could destroy the Star Destroyer.

Doesn't the High Republic era go right up to The Phantom Menace? So the Pelta doesn't need to be THAT old. It has a similar bridge to the Consular-class cruiser seen in the opening of TPM, too.

It still says it's a Clone Wars design In the origional legends there was a single prototype Imperator that then showed up at Coruscant so it doesnt contradict anything

I think what they meant by "Work immediately begins on the warship that will embody this bold new era" is that they're working on developing it, rather than working on creating it as most would assumed, but its still very interesting to see the new changes in lore within the sourcebook 🤷

Oooh, that thing about Beru is straight from some common headcanons for fanfic, someone at disney is reading Fialleril on AO3.

They existed before that blurb, Palpatine liked the experimental ship and then blurb happened. Logical room for both

As someone who played a Verpine slicer in the old WEG D6 system 20-25 years ago, I am ALWAYS happy for more Verpine love

What game footage was that being used in the video? Where everything was all pixely lookin'?

While I might not agree with al the changes, I can agree with the changes made to the things on the ISD's bridge. They have ALWAYS looked like sensors to me and who ever chose to call them shield emitters has never once seen what a ground radar installation in the high arctic looks like. (Hint, they look EXACTLY like the domes on the ISD.)

Though not from a reference book I thought that the first Star Destroyer that would be closest to the ones we see from Ep 4 and forward was the Victory-class, which I thought was designed to be the first replacement for the Venator-class cruisers from the Clone Wars. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but it works well in my mind.

Beru got lore? I never heard anything about her before! That's new to me.

Per Star Wars Timelines which came out a few months ago, the Imperator-class and Imperial I-class are two separate ships. The Imperator is the CW base version and the Imperial I-class is a slight redesign of it

You could probably title every future Star Wars video “some of you are not going to like this more change” and consistently be correct

When I was 12 I was in a book store and had to choose between the Plagueis novel or the Essential Guide to Warfare. I chose the guide and man was that the right choice. I have read that book cover to cover like 3 times.

The picture at 3:06 reminds me of actor Martin Landau but the actor in the movie not so much. I've never heard of this character to now. I just looked him up online. Didn't notice him in the movie.

I like the look of the game being played at the end with the interceptor. What is it?

What game were you playing? Looks really fun

I'm hoping Omega doesn't turn out to be another Force Sensitive.

Is that gameplay from Sky Rogue? I picked it up ages ago on sale, didn't know there was Star Wars stuff for it, mods I assume?

I like the change for the Imperial-I. Makes more sense as one of the immediate Imperial successor ships, plus it always felt like a bit of a weird naming choice for the Republic to make, even late into the war. But I will agree with a general dissapointment with canon lorebooks. Really feels like the LSG is trying to leash the secondary material from expanding too far out of known eras. Which I *guess* is a cleaner way to expand without eventual contradictions and retcons, but it ends up making a lot of things feel safer than they should be. Haven't found a canon reference book that hit the same as the Legends Essential Guide to Warfare or the Book of Sith.

01:44 THAT'S AMAZING! What game is it?

Could always have the VSD as the bridge between venator and imperial class. VSD really missing out on any representation anywhere, so sad. Got a little working theory in my own head I'll put down, but I'm no encyclopaedia so I'll probably be missing info. At least in my head from what I know I like the idea that the victory was designed as a more durable frontline ship to help shield venators while they conducted carrier operations and long range fire. But the victory never really caught on because republic bureaucrats didn't want to pay for it and didn't understand proper space warfare or fleet composition (you tell me any bureaucrat senator wouldn't go "the venator is good enough"). Eventually Palpatine still had enough built that got used in combat to know the designs potential, but not enough to be well known like the Venator, making it a great stop gap while the VSD2 and ISD1 were designed using lessons from both the victory and venator.

evidently I need to check out sky rouge’s modding scene-

Out of curiosity: what game is the footage from at 4:06?

What is the game/flight sim shown at the end of the video?

The Aunt Beru stuff is from the Padme trilogy

What happened to the Victory class star destroyer that pre dated the Imperial class in West End Games Star Wars, that Zahn used for lore?

Please tell me what that tie interceptor game mid-way in the video is.

I have been reading Legends for decades, and never found that lore bit you are alluding to. It must really have been obscure.

hey does anyone know what the clip at 4:06 is a video of? i've never seen it before...

My favorite references books are the Incredible Cross-section books.

What game are you playing in the background of the video?

Favorite Star Wars reference book? Definitely the "Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels". Still have my old copy that's worn almost to the point of falling apart. I used it as references for my fan art quite a lot when I was a youngling.

Seeing Andor next to Obi Wan in the title "Dawn of the Rebellion" made me think Obi Wan does part time in aiding rebel missions while his main gig is to protect Luke from afar.

What's the game you were playing on the background?

considering george used the venetor at the end of rots, i feel like the imperial star destroyer or any closer variant than the venetor not existing yet was the idea

On a related note, can anyone who bought the book tell me if they gave an official name for the AK blaster rifles from Andor?

In Star Wars: TIE Fighter, targeting the shield generators on a Star Destroyer would highlight the bulbs

What's the game you're playing where you're flying a TIE Interceptor in a Star Fox SNES looking map?

As a Star Wars RPG fan, and GM, I tend to ignore all the Disney stuff... Legends has a cohesive timeline, spanning decades, with all sorts of interesting things going on. Disney SW is more like a collection of Grandpa Simpson's ramblings about his youth. No timeline, no coherency and not a lot of well written support stuff either.

The pelta is actually smart. Remove all that extraneous stuff like turrets, etc, replace the plating and pain with a standard high republic pallette and it looks a LOT like a high republic design. So bascially make it look factory new and it fits with the high republic design

I like the idea still that ISD Is are from the Clone Wars as it kind of makes sense that they were a late war development program that produced a hull form tailored to the "last war" with a focus on qualitatively dominating smaller capital ships and carrying swarm fighters as protection instead of being reliant in better much large strike fighters fof power projection. They just happened to look menancing and were a good jobs program so the Empire ran with it!

Man, all I know about those balls is that in old BF2 it took about a dozen bombing runs to pop one of those things, but you do get war hero for that match.

About the domes, they're analogues to those found on real-life warships. I think there's a confusion of cause and effect. We don't see deflector shield domes in any other context and that the bridge deflector shield was down was the reason the dome could be attacked and destroyed and hence alerted the crew that it was down. The Star Destroyer would be the only ship in Star Wars with an exposed shield projector in an exposed position and which is really easy to destroy.

Lore can change, but it's like putting a new suit on a corpse...

No outro music?

The lore about Beru and the chips was in Queen’s Hope

Can someone tell me what game is playing at 4:05 please?

The Beru stuff came from E.K. Johnston's recent Padmé book trilogy.

What's that game at the end of the video??