It's like the reverse of last year's models where america got completely shafted on the new mini-LED, it was only available in 85 inches here and I asked the same question: What were they thinking

Management at Sony's TV division are incompetent. Have been for many years.

Calling it odd is far too kind. The decision to shunt 65 is the dumbest ever…no small sizes in Europe ??!! Of course it make perfect sense…😢😢

Sony's gonna Sony.

Europeans don't buy large TV's. Most stick with 42 to 48 inches.

Yes plz. I need a second LG OLED haha

Nope. Bravia 9 flagship in 85" is only $5,499 retail. That's a grand less than their flagship OLED 77" I bought in Feb 2020.

At launch, the 75-inch model will be £4499, while the 85-inch version will be £4999. While undeniably a lot of money, it's worth noting that the 77-inch A95L QD-OLED was £5999

Hopefully X95L prices will drop 😎

They already released the price dude, its cheaper than last year's Qd oled models. I guess its the flagship tv price to performance but not the most expensive tv they make

Advanced laser diode for data centers is a remarkable breakthrough.Sony is very under rated

Their tech was so advance in the 2000's, it's too expensive for the market. AFAIR, they were the first to develop OLED Displays yet they weren't the one who mass marketed them.

I luv Sony !!!

​@@CeruleanmonsterWorld first OLED years before KG Sony Bravia XEL-01 2007

Well, they are still limited by the MediaTek SOC

Vincent didn't take the photos or videos. It was Vinnie.

HDTV Test is on OUR side. Vinnie Da Reviewer don't care about no stinkin' signs!

Don’t be a hypocrite I bet the women in your family pull out their phones constantly

I have a collection of photos of signs saying "no photos", from around the world

@@whophd I saw a pic of a frustrated someone surrounded by wheels of cheddar for sale, with a sign saying no photos. I really hope whoever took the pic said "say cheese!"

Agreed, this is the ultimate test. As an OLED owner, it’s hard to imagine going back to subtitles on LEDs

IKR? My Z9D does a pretty good job if you sit in the right chair and tilt it correctly. I expect even better now but get disappointed when I go window shopping mostly.

@@E_Rice I have the Sony OLED A8G and subtitles are distracting. The white subtitles are so bright, especially in dark scenes it's quite distracting/irritating to the eyes.

it's not a challenge to handle subtitles well for modern miniLEDs, even Samsung could do it. The challenge is handling subtitles well WITHOUT crushing shadow details which Samsungs tend to fall short

@@IndigoVikingTV you change the subtitles to grey or some other dull colour, problem solved

to get blind... great!

@@bojanlikic3652 Not sure why people are still ignorant about brightness in 2024. Its for HDR highlights, the sun, a flash light etc its not for the entire screen.

​@@bojanlikic3652don't go outside, it's too bright. Will hurt your eyes.

I guess he meant 225 percent more and overall 325% vs 100%

@@indrajeetv8878 No, the Sony document he showed said 325% more.

Exactly this

That would contradict their roadmap.

@@Simplyveej the roadmap to what? Affordable micro-LED, lol.

@@E_Rice they dropped major clues through the announcement that they don’t think OLED is flagship material anymore. At least Sony.

Sony has shifted to this mini-led prototype as their flagship tv tech. I predict the 2025 MasterSeries will be 8K Bravia Z mini-led.

This is exactly what I want to see

Sony Pictures will release 4000 nits remastered bluray for that exact purpose. Disney and HBO will charge you with a new 4000 nits HDR tier for new remastered 9 starwars saga and the Snyder cut. Japanese Sony attacks (South) Korean LG & Samsung at atomic level. OLED can't reach 4000 nits by physical properties.

@@JohnWilliams-gy5yc did you reply to the wrong thread lol

@@cainification I hope the Sony scheme would be flopped too. However OLED can't never reach 4000 nits with today technology while microLED can. We will see when the new remastered content is released.

OLED level? No matter what you do LCD can never achieve OLED’s level 🤷🏻‍♂️

Micro LED TVs years away from budget users that are LG fanboys 😂

​@@ElGruesoMicro LED is natural successor to Mini LED and OLED better than both

@@RobertK1993 why brining Micro LED here? Micro LED still got years to go for it to bring down the cost. It is extremely expensive to fabricate since it’s self-illuminating panel similar to OLED but none organic.

@@RobertK1993 Micro LED is the successor of OLED not Mini-LED… Mini-LED is just a backlight LCD panel.

In fact, Sony has very advanced technology in regards to backlight scanning/strobing. On X95L you can have 120Hz backlight scanning with almost no brightness loss and it has the best motion compared to any Oled I've ever owned, almost crt-like (including a90j and a95k which didn't even allow 120Hz bfi, but only 60Hz with too much flicker and brightness loss). Motion on X95L is truly that good, I am confident Bravia 9 will be amazing.

OLED/QD OLED should be standard display by late 2020s as Micro LED is next premium TV display tech 😂

@@FabriG-yd5ftX95L greater than any OLED you owned? Lol you probably own some old ass OLED, have you even seen A95L and G3-4 in action? X95L is more where close to real OLEDs.

The A95L will likely win again.

@@michaelbeckerman7532 It will not compete in a 2024 TV shootout as was it was released in 2023

​@@michaelbeckerman7532Yeah G4 just G3 with few tweaks same with S95D

ya the 7 series seems to be a great price/performance king

@@mgaming7 Nah, i would avoid it, because it has probably same bad viewing angles like X90L. Bravia 9 is the way to go imo.

I don't see how. The G4 is still better.

@@Da-iken Of course the Bravia 9 is much better. But if you look at Bravia 7 as a person that would be buying an X90L. The Bravia 7 doesn't cost much more than what X90L did but is a massive improvement. It's better than X95L in many ways because of color volume and so on. The Bravia 7 will be a great "mid range/budget" alternative. Bravia 9 is just even a lot better. It's a leap for their miniLED.

@@calisfinestdemon1703 I wouldn't be too sure about that. I bet the G4 wins in some things. But Bravia 9 wins in other areas. Also if a person don't sit in a totally dark room and only watch OLED demos, lol. They would quickly see there is little difference and Bravia 9 wins especially in color. It will spank the G4 in color volume by a mile. But I like the G4 too. It's my back up choice.

Too bad A95L looks 100% better than X95L…

@@ElGrueso but its an OLED with inevitable burn-in issue so it's automatically 200% worse

@@TheAETHER22 post 2020 OLED panels doesn’t need to worry about burn-in unless you are watching severe static images for ridiculous amount of time and 0% blooming and real control HDR unlike LED’s crap HDR which makes it 300% better. There are several Rting video about this issue.

@@ElGrueso burn in will never go away with organic materials. They'll try to delay it with bigger blue leds or pixel shift but never eliminate it. And yes I want to be playing static images if I want to since I paid for my TV

@@TheAETHER22 sure watch your static image pictures, and news with your LED and I will be watching my movies, video games and tv shows with OLED 👍

55" TVs are slowly shifting towards the economy/value end of the TV market. In a few years, I'd expect that manufacturers will cease offering 55" models in their premium lineup. I wouldn't even be surprised if 55" panels are consigned to bargain bin off-brand models within our lifetime.

@@Uncle_Fred Within our lifetime? Kind of a long window, eh? I expect friggin holograms in my living room by then!

as a TV or Monitor. was thinking of using it for monitor

@@mgaming7 I have a small living room, so I use it as a TV with an Apple TV 4K and Panasonic DP-UB9000 4K blu-ray player. I’m yet to purchase a soundbar.

Same, and I also agree it should be next year. Until they do the shootout 2024, A95L is still officially the best TV out since it came out so late only 6 months ago.

Nah. S95d is superior ​@@cainification

@@jacobpaul3429 Samsung?? lmao sure bub, you definitely in the minority on that one. The flagship Samsung TVs do look fantastic, such vibrate colors, it really is amazing. But it just looks so unnatural to me, the color accuracy cannot be matched.

Or it be replaced by A95M in late 2024

Those are some astonishing mental gymnastics. It depends on how it is phrased. Your math is bonkers.

@Reallynotnick: We were shown an internal presentation deck (which was more technical than the press release) that said there are up to 3x as many local dimming zones.

@@Lock2002ful If you remember math from school, "more" means addition. "as" means multiplication.

@@aquaneon8012 My mother tongue isn’t English, so I don’t remember something I haven’t learned. I majored in math though and am always amazed by what some people are writing online when it comes to math. So wrong, yet so sure they’re right.

@@hdtvtest thanks for confirming!

x95L is/was purchasable from Hi-Fi stores, not department stores

Same. I was waiting for that. Disappointed it’s not available.

That be OLED size 100 inch is LCD

​@@tedshepCa you afford 6000

@@RobertK1993 I can. It would sting a bit, but my last TV was purchased 16 years ago. So I’m willing to spend a pretty good amount if it will last that long.

Greta's "How dare you?!"

It's like they know nothing about the European market

Makes LG decision easier if I were in the market for an upgrade.

a95l? Even so i dont have a ton of hope. I havent seen a95k price budge much even after the a95l release

Ikr

Facts I game on an LG mini qned it's good, but I might want to upgrade in a couple of years

Agreed loving using my LG 42' oled as monitor

@@UsernameInvalid48 You have a 42 foot monitor? Damn

@@rustler08 I think no one but muricas understand this " ' " and " " " . It is time to start using metric for TV size.

42 inch 4K is useless since you can't tell difference between 1080p and 4K

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You're not allowed to think that way. The OLED inquisition will come and knock at your door. Oh look there is already one here "Noobmaster". LOL...

OLED fanbois will do everything to justify the thousands more they paid just to get the tiny 10% more blacks.. only to have a display that literally deteriorates and dies.

Yeah i do not think i will upgrade from my a80j.

@@eternalbeing3339I got a 77” A80J with the glossy screen. I think I’m good for another year. The A80J is still a dog with a bite .

I wait for samsung qn95d. Is last flag ship in 55 inch in europe

The processing war is having a shake up. The new LG's are really coming out swinging this year. Not sure on sizes but the new G4 might end up the processing champ.

@@bearclaw5115 but G4 is oled. I think is avalaible at 55 inch but their miniled flag ship QNED90T start at 65 :/

​@@bearclaw5115They way you say coming out swing sounds like a LG fanboy😂

It won't compete with OLED or QD-OLED.

The “What Hi-Fi” reviewer claims in his observations that blooming is virtually nonexistent and that the black levels are near the S95C.

​@@PSYCHOV3N0MA95M QD OLED likely by unveiled in September

​​@RobertK1993 A95M? I thought sony wont be making QD-OLEDs anymore

How many stars would you really miss out on though? Would you even notice without a side by side comparison?

@KAL-589 Vincent did a video a few years ago where he showed the difference in that movie and it was a hell of a lot, probably the majority of them.

​@KAL-589 It can be pretty noticeable. I noticed it on my QN90A. I'm sure the Sony will be better but it will also introduce more blooming. I was previously an LED fan when OLEDs were struggling to hit 700 nits for HDR highlights, but now that QD-OLED is hitting 1200-1700 nits depending on which model you buy, it's QD-OLED for me until micro LED actually becomes feasible. Recently got a 77" S90C and it's like I'm properly seeing HDR for the first time

You can point to problems on both OLED and LCD when you put a reference monitor between them. Everyone has to decide what strengths of the TV they value the most because they both come with compromises

And Oled is still struggling on large area and long duration brightness. Reducing the impact of those scenes.

It was overrated

The Bravia9 will be better than anything the Z series could offer...this is the biggest jump in LED tech since the invención of local diming

For all intents and purposes the Z-series is stupid. 8K in general is stupid at present (thought it won't always be). The X95L out performed the Z9K

@@randallsmith2521 No its not I can game in 8k.

@@user-oq6sc1qm4j while this is true, you'll notice that Sony does not prioritize gaming on its TVs. Gaming is an afterthought most of the time. Otherwise they would be doing things like TCL/Hisense with regards to VRR tech availability on 60Hz TVs and official support for FreeSync and G-Sync.

The G4 is the G3 with a slightly better processor, if you look closely at the picture and compare it to the G3 it looks a bit sharper. I fail to see why people are getting so excited as it if its some major innovation, if you want to see a leap compare the g2 to the g3.

I have both G3 and G4. The G3 went in the bedroom g4 in the living room. It's a much bigger difference in shadows, processing, motion and a bit brighter but I have to turn that down anyway. It's a huge upgrade IMO

​@user-oq6sc1qm4j doesn't it also have an improved MLA panel? In any case that's why we want the review, to tell us what the differences are.

@@varsas10 All I am saying is the G3 was a revolutionary tv and a massive leap over the G2. The G4 is just a slight tweak over the G3 and the tweaks are not very noticable unless you put both TVs side by side and look very closely.

@@user-oq6sc1qm4j I mean in that case I can do that with any modern OLED. I don't think if you had the A95L and before that the A8H and A90J you could tell the difference. I've had all three and if I didn't have them next to each other I would not know the difference because while I'm a stickler for the motion and being able to see shadows and processing not in any three of those TVs that I mentioned did I ever see a huge jump I saw a lot of the same small problems but they were all great and I would never know they were different and improvements unless I had all three next to each other

If the Bravia 7 is close to your x95L, and being in the US with smaller sizes, that will be my tv for a very long time.

Ur good l, most likely

Yeah, that is disappointing!

Doesn’t sound like North America is getting a 65” Bravia 9 either!!! WTF

@@user-hj6hi9ho2k Not as big an issue in the US. We're not poor. j/k

I have to disagree. If they can control the zones more precisely, the Mini LeD panel will greatly outperform OLED due to the massive brightness increases.

I just don't get the attraction. Why not hold onto your OLED and just wait for full uLED panels?

@connor040606 It doesn't matter how precise they are because zones are far bigger than pixels. Even the most precise of local dimming techniques still won't fully be able to compete with pixel level control. Each zone is still trying to manage a cluster of pixels. This will help them get bright sure, but I still don't see the need to strive to go beyond 1,500 nits or so. Filmmakers have had the ability to grade to those levels and higher for years and the majority of them still choose to grade HDR at 1000 nits or less

@@Uncle_Fred That's what I'm saying. I think OLED will still overall edge out this tech until we get something truly "new"

​@@connor040606Tell me you don't know how OLED works without telling me you don't know how OLED works. 🤣🤣🤣

You better jump between the multiverse, because Sony is not going to use QD-Oleds, outside of their current deals.

​@@MadLustEnvyThat's bullshit. There will be a QD-OLED flagship TV in 2025.

Not according to this video

Sadly unlikely as Sony don't want to be beholden to Samsung. And even Samsung seem uncertain as to whether QD OLED will be in their future.

@@PSYCHOV3N0M have you even been paying attention? Sony is stepping away from qd oleds. They're just selling last year's model this year and have moved back to mini led for flagships.

If you don't need latency of OLED for gaming or extreme qdoled viewing angles then get the Sony mini Led as overall you have more dynamic range with the sony As oleds don't accurately make black as many times they make slightly black totally black And would dim after 10 mins and has far lower bright range So overall real world dynamic range would be lower in oled But I'm still an OLED shill XD oleds are awesome but eh the ones they use on TV's are meh

If you haven't purchased a tv in while, don't sweat it. They will all beat your old one. Usually buying the best one of the year is a bad move unless your are the latest and greatest type. The second best tv in the second biggest size is typically a sweet spot. And spending less means you don't need to keep it as long so you will get an upgrade sooner that would smash the old flagship you overspent on.

No Mini LED not miraculous that be Micro LED

@cw205mi16: We were shown an internal presentation deck (which was more technical than the press release) that said there are up to 3x as many local dimming zones.

@@hdtvtest Vincent. Isn't the math kind of weird when they say a 65" QN90C and 65" Bravia 9 has similar zone count. But the Bravia 9 supposed to have up to 3x as many zones as the X95L. We know the QN90C has 720 zones in 65". And the X95L 65" has 480 zones. 3x480= 1440 zones. That is double the QN90C. So either it has a lot less than 3x, barely even 2x or it's a QN95C at 1440 zones (actually is in 65") and they labeled it wrong. Something doesn't add up. Maybe the 65" has a lot less zones than the 85"? A 3x 85" Bravia 9 compared to 85" X95L would land around 2600 zones. Since it's up from 860 zones. In any case, it's more zones and we can see it. Just confusing.

I would also be interested in this

Yup. G4's the ticket in that size OLED this year.

I think the bravia 9 is doing dolby vision 4k 120hz

At least you can now buy 8k switcher boxes to resolve the problem. But yeah, lame chip implementation on their part.

Theyre full 48Gbps bandwith 2.1 hdmi ports on the sony ,unlike the competitors which claim they are all 2.1 ports without full 48 bandwidth

They addressed that question tonight on the Sony After Hours Support show and it's largely because the MediaTek processors still provide the absolute best image processing technology. If they were to move away from that SoC platform (to get more HDMI 2.1 ports), image processing would suffer as a result. They aren't willing to make that trade off.

@@michaelbeckerman7532 That's a trade-off that removes them as an option. What good is image quality if you can't connect your devices to it. Having to buy extra equipment for something that should be backed into the TV is unacceptable to me. I *really* want the micro LED TV (Not going back to OLED) but looks like I'm stuck with my dying TCL

@@AntonioCunningham I'll certainly grant you that MediaTek should have already resolved this issue two years ago, no question about it. Why they haven't done that yet is entirely on them though. However, most gamers that swear they need four HDMI 2.1 ports never even end up actually using more then two of them anyways. Plus, how hard is it to simply unplug one device and plug another one in if you have to? Why is that believed to be such a massive burden? If you would rather have four HDMI 2.1 ports than the best possible image processing, the part that actually determines how well your game-play goes...

Only if the can deal with the anti-reflective coating that washes out the blacks. Maybe there is a way to remove the coating.

Just like with the Frame, the matt finish on the S95D does impact the color presentation to a significant degree. If color accuracy matters at all, then Samsung TVs (in any model) are certainly not the TVs you would ever want to be looking at or recommending to anyone. Over boosted and over saturated colors on literally every single model they make. Only really acceptable if all you ever do is watch cartoons or play video games.

@@michaelbeckerman7532 I can tell you’re not an installer because if you were, you would realize that Samsung hasn’t discontinued the frame line. The reason they haven’t discontinued the frame line is because they sell a lot of those TV’s to wealthy people. And for some godforsaken reason that demographic likes those TVs. Also, when you say Samsung has horrible colors. You would be correct about their edge lit LED stuff but when it comes to QD-OLED panels, the Samsung panels can be calibrated to look exactly like the Sony panels because remember Sony buys their QD-OLED panels from Samsung. If you have a K-10-A and it’s the same panel, you can set them to look exactly the same on colors. All I’m saying is that I’m not going to recommend Sony mini LED TVs that are going to have some blooming issues ( no matter how minor )and other artifacting that inevitably will happen with many LED technology. Right now QD-OLD ( & W-OLED in the 80+ inch size )are the better technology, especially in the TAX bracket that I sell solutions in.

@@businesstheotakuskitchen9000 I never said Samsung discontinued their Frame line and I'm well aware that they haven't. Also, if you spend anywhere from $2,000 to $5,000 on a new TV and then say, "Oh, it will look right once you spend an extra $375 to have it professionally calibrated" I would have to ask you why? Why is it the customer's job/responsibility to have to go in and fix the mistakes made by the manufacturer, right out of the box? Why can't Samsung just get their colors right straight out of the box to begin with? Well, we all know why, don't we? Because their marketing strategy is largely predicated on colors that "pop" and catch customers eye while they are in shopping the stores. The problem is that over-saturated, over-boosted color presentation is far from accurate, authentic or realistic. Once customers get those TVs home and realize how unnatural things look on them, they don't feel quite so good about their purchase decision. Yet, people keep right on falling for that exact same marketing trick, year after year, like lemmings being lead off a cliff. Sad.

2035-2040 ?

We're still 10-15 years away from them being available in 55-75 inch sizes at below $10,000.

We are very far from affordable MicroLED TVs!!

They're still in the future

If you're willing to spend 100K+ you can buy one... not even sure how much they cost. but seriously, wait another decade maybe. It's still too expensive to manufacture

You're coping, coping and seething. 🎶

Nah. They are still fielding two OLED's this year. I think that they are betting that for most people the new LED backlighting system will dazzle and look good enough to most. They keep the OLED's around for the purists but didn't put much effort into that part of the line up.

@@bearclaw5115 Good info to know, thanks for educating me :)

Yeah it's bigger

😂😂​@@karlhendrikse

@@karlhendrikse contrast in 85 in better than 75 and 65, 85 has better panel, FYI

Depends on the algorithm to negate that maybe they’ve had a break through!

I've only just switched to a QD-OLED monitor and while it's certainly better in dark scenes and the motion clarity is amazing, it's quite underwhelming in bright scenes compared to my FALD LCDs and the VRR gamma flicker is insanely distracting in some games.

​@@NexGenTekNo such thing as a breakthrough when local dimming zones are physically larger than each pixel. No LCD TV with any algorithm can compete with OLED when it comes to overall picture quality, contrast ratio, response time, etc. LCD only wins in brightness.

@@PSYCHOV3N0M Picture quality will be opinion based this year with the new TVs. This will be my second non oled. Contrast ratio sure. It doesn’t need infinite with 4000 nits. Response times are so low now it makes no difference unless you’re playing esports on a 75inch! The HDR will blow you away. My Z8H still has scenes that my oleds just can’t match.

Tell me you don't understand display strengths and weaknesses without telling me you don't understand display strengths and weaknesses. Nailed it.

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Making better tv's is what Sony should be doing.

@@bearclaw5115I thought the end goal was self-emissive technology? This is the same as polishing a turd.

QD Oled ofc. No matter how good Mini Led will be it has blooming which is disgusting.

Right? I enjoy my LG C1, but my 85"X95K miniLED is on another level with HDR and SDR.

Agreed. Though Panasonic ain't too far behind imo.

Not really, lg has caught up on the lg g3. Gradation as well.’ This aint 2017 anymore but good luck telling people that. Sony has mindshare.

@@rome8602 Arguably the new G4 has better processing than any Sony to date. I'm sure they will respond though!

My 85"X95K doesn't bloom any differently than my LG C1 does.

@@DrakonR Any LED has some bloom. The C1 has none. However, your perception might be correct. Watch your C1 in the dark and put on some white text over a black background. You will see some blooming. Guess what? It's in your eyes! To prove it, put your finger over the white text and you will see the 'blooming' is gone! This means that OLED's outperform our own eyes in contrast which is pretty nuts!

right.... smh great picture, but you get less for the price

I guess they're meaning to say the PS5 and your earc sound are the only reason you'd need an HDMI 2.1 port.

Again, that's MediaTek's fault, not Sony's. Sony sticks with the MediaTek SoC platform because it offers the best image processing for their XR processor technology. For now, Sony isn't willing to give up image processing ability/quality just to get two more HDMI 2.1 ports. Send your complaints on this over to the folks at MediaTek, not Sony.

Blame mediatek.

Yeah… they use what they can get from mediatech

You can solve the issue with an 8k (HDMI 2.1) switcher box now.

No, it's really not. Even the "hard core" gamers that buy TVs with four HDMI 2.1 ports almost never end up using all of them. They just want them so they can SAY they have them.