Spider-Man 4 - Why it could NEVER work
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Күн бұрынSpider-Man 4 was the cancelled sequel to the Sam Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, but would it have saved the franchise?
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The fictional character Spider-Man, a comic book superhero created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko and featured in Marvel Comics publications, has currently appeared in ten live-action films since his inception, not including fan made shorts and guest appearances in other Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) films. Spider-Man is the alter-ego of Peter Parker, a talented young freelance photographer and aspiring scientist imbued with superhuman abilities after being bitten by a radioactive/genetically-altered spider.
The first live-action film based on Spider-Man was the unauthorized short Spider-Man by Donald F. Glut in 1969. This was followed by Spider-Man, an American made-for-television film that premiered on the CBS network in 1977. It starred Nicholas Hammond and was intended as a backdoor pilot for what became a weekly episodic TV series.
The rights to further films featuring the character were purchased in 1985, and moved through various production companies and studios before being secured by Sony Pictures Entertainment (Columbia Pictures) for $10 million (plus 5% of any movies' gross revenue and half the revenue from consumer products),[1] who hired Sam Raimi to direct Spider-Man (2002), Spider-Man 2 (2004), and Spider-Man 3 (2007) starring Tobey Maguire. The first two films were met with positive reviews from critics, while the third film received a more mixed response.
In 2010, Sony announced that the franchise would be rebooted. Marc Webb was hired to direct, with Andrew Garfield starring, and The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) was released to positive reviews. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) saw mixed reviews.
In February 2015, Disney, Marvel Studios and Sony announced a deal to share the Spider-Man film rights, leading to a new iteration of Spider-Man being introduced and integrated into the MCU. The deal allows Sony to distribute and have final creative control over MCU films where Spider-Man is the main character, while Disney distributes the ones where he is not. Tom Holland portrays this younger version of Spider-Man, appearing in Captain America: Civil War (2016), Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), Avengers: Infinity War (2018) and Avengers: Endgame (2019), as well as the sequel to Homecoming, Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019). All of Spider-Man's MCU appearances have received positive reviews thus far.
Plans for an animated Spider-Man film were officially announced by Sony in April 2015. Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018) combines Sony Pictures Imageworks' computer animation pipeline with traditional hand-drawn comic book techniques, inspired by the work of Miles Morales's co-creator Sara Pichelli. Completing the animation required up to 140 animators, the largest crew ever used by Sony Pictures Animation for a film. Into the Spider-Verse received universal acclaim, winning the Academy Award for Best Animated Feature and becoming the highest-rated film in the Spider-Man franchise, surpassing Spider-Man 2.
Raimi's trilogy grossed $2.5 billion worldwide on a $597 million budget, while Webb's films grossed over $1.4 billion on a $480 million budget. Spider-Man's MCU films (Homecoming and Far From Home) have grossed over $1.9 billion on a $335 million budget and Into the Spider-Verse grossed $375 million on a $90 million budget. The Spider-Man films have grossed over $6.3 billion collectively at the global box office. This includes Far From Home, which became the first film to gross over $1 billion worldwide as well as Sony Pictures' highest-grossing film ever.
@s.storumus8620 4 жыл бұрын
“Why Spiderman 4 could never work” Me cries: “no... please... don’t say that”
@cosmofilms4990 4 жыл бұрын
We already have Spiderman 4 it's called Spiderman The Rent Pursuit
@omarnaytroo2864 4 жыл бұрын
Cosmo Films is there a spider man 4 ?
@roman9013 4 жыл бұрын
"Pizza time"
@dvssbfthswrgvsfvadgqrqgr4237 4 жыл бұрын
@@cosmofilms4990 oh ok
@dvssbfthswrgvsfvadgqrqgr4237 4 жыл бұрын
@July Rijoberroa you can press names
@diamond_dogs 4 жыл бұрын
Raimi knew nothing in Spider-Man 4 could surpass the genius of "go make me some cookies with nuts in them"
@Jplp5643 4 жыл бұрын
There’s such a rich variety of cookies, peanut butter, mint, chocolate chip. But Sam Raimi had him consciously choose the cookies with nuts in them, almost to signify that Peter had gone nuts. Raimi really is a brilliant filmmaker.
@motocomo5303 4 жыл бұрын
or PiZzA TimE
@lityfity4197 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jplp5643 bruh dunk
@Lucasio1209 2 жыл бұрын
Dunkey moment
@abnermoreno7928 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@BSJINTHEHOUSE420 4 жыл бұрын
“Spider-Man 4 - Why it could NEVER work” Doctor Strange: Into The Multiverse of Madness: I missed the part where that’s my problem.
@Anarchnid 4 жыл бұрын
And also Morbius.
@hansmichaelfanunal2545 4 жыл бұрын
BSJ IN YO HOUSE how is dr strange 2 related to this?
@iandavis4213 4 жыл бұрын
Hans Michael Fanunal going off the name alone, he’s going to travel the multiverse, that and Sam Raimi is directing it so.............🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@Anarchnid 4 жыл бұрын
Sam Raimi might be directing it.
@hansmichaelfanunal2545 4 жыл бұрын
Ian Davis so are you saying they are going to make Spider-Man 4 now?
@Alcatraz-pf2te 4 жыл бұрын
‘You serious?’ - J. Jonah Jameson
@vanguard7551 4 жыл бұрын
What do I pay you for standing there?
@SpiderMan-ek4sg 3 жыл бұрын
"Hey JJ could you pay me in advance ?"
@KristubeYT 3 жыл бұрын
*WHEEZE* *LAUGH*
@cyatram 4 жыл бұрын
I once had a dream where Spider-Man 4 was released, and I was going to see it in theaters. Then I woke up. *cries*
@maxthedoge6927 2 жыл бұрын
les cri 😭
@CobraJayOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
It's because the rain drops kept falling on his head..
@CucumberKane 4 жыл бұрын
And just like the guy who's feet are to big for his bed
@legend2745 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing seems to fit, those, rain drops keep falling on my head they keep fallin
@CucumberKane 4 жыл бұрын
@@legend2745 So I just did me some talking to the sun
@CucumberKane 4 жыл бұрын
@Kimmy Boy Sleeping on the job Those, Raindrops are falling on my head they keep falling
@topboy3269 4 жыл бұрын
Ya’ll playin with lyrics😂😂😂😂😂
@j-zhirngaming9550 4 жыл бұрын
Would spiderman 4 live up to the original spiderman trilogy literally next scene OH BOY YEAH
@viciousbane569 4 жыл бұрын
Creative Gaming yeah I saw that
@mr.person4050 4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna write that comment.
@rasel5781 4 жыл бұрын
No way man.
@darkknightofgames4884 4 жыл бұрын
I think if they just gave Tobey Maguire's Spidey a cameo in Doctor Strange: into the multiverse of madness, it would confirm that there is a spider verse in the MCU. Also it would let fans of the Raimi trilogy know how Pete ended up after Spiderman 3.
@Phobiaversity 4 жыл бұрын
Dark knight of games Good!
@knightghost1782 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah we deserve some sort of closure for Tobey's Spider-man.
@blueaero3284 4 жыл бұрын
That might lead into a live action Spider-Verse they’ve been thinking of doing
@BowieIsAfraid 4 жыл бұрын
ShadowGamer AX How does Phase 4 correlate to politics being shoved in them. Unless you count studio interference but there hasn’t been any. Or at least that we know of.
@trevorphilips9065 4 жыл бұрын
@@BowieIsAfraid I mean why do they need a female director for Captain Marvel just find a good one who cares about a stick or a hole
@yaboyaang5639 4 жыл бұрын
Channel Pup: “Why Spider-Man 4 could never work” Me: “The real crime would be not to finish what we started”
@elpepdud2466 4 жыл бұрын
*On the set of Doctor Strange 2 when Kevin Feige sees Tobey Maguire* Kevin: Shut it off, Raimi! Shut it off! I'm in charge here! It's my money! Raimi: You can't stop it... it's self - sustaining now
@Yael_ch19 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin: I’m in charge here! It’s my money!
@JohnDoe-tm9wz 4 жыл бұрын
Spiderman 4: AVENGE ME!!!
@JohnDoe-tm9wz 4 жыл бұрын
@Alejandro Feo Cecin *Glass shatters GOBLIN ARMOR...ON*
@Speeda-Guy 4 жыл бұрын
Do do do do do(green goblin theme)
@awaissasghar2295 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, if you let Sam Raimi do what he wants it would work.
@oog2370 4 жыл бұрын
If Venom wasn't in 3 Raimi could have made another great film. Venom is most peoples fav spiderman villain (mine too) but if it means not having Venom and having more Raimi films I know what I'm taking
@aidanlim8047 4 жыл бұрын
@@oog2370 raimi was forced to add venom in the movie coz of sony, raimi didnt like venom in the first place so ahahaha
@oog2370 4 жыл бұрын
@@aidanlim8047 I know. Whats your point?
@KristubeYT 3 жыл бұрын
@@oog2370 shouldve have been on like spiderman 6 so we can have venom and carnage
@Paul_atreides623 3 жыл бұрын
@@aidanlim8047 he had no interest and knowledge about him
@spicyboi3464 4 жыл бұрын
They should've just make a spinoff for Mr.Aziz
@TheHorns1996 4 жыл бұрын
Everyone would flip out, though.
@gingercat5996 4 жыл бұрын
And Mr Ditkovitch, it could've been a trilogy: Mr Ditkovitch: Landlord forever Mr Ditkovitch 2: Rise of the rent Mr Ditkovitch 3: Revenge of the damn door
@RbkARI 4 жыл бұрын
And one for Mr. Ditkovich
@masterkenobi2119 4 жыл бұрын
GOoooo
@steventylerrocks8382 4 жыл бұрын
How about a spinoff dealing with the lives of the supporting cast of the Raimi trilogy. It could be from their perspectives, and we could see how Spider-Man's presence affects their lives. There was a comic book called "Spider-Man's Tangled Web, which had a similar premise, and made Spider-Man a minor character.
@metal2875 4 жыл бұрын
Bruce Campbell as Mysterio would be a hit.
@DJWingoYT 4 жыл бұрын
i feel like spider-man 3 was a good ending because harry realized that they're friends and their friendship will never stop so he sacrificed himself so he doesn't be like his father , peter stopped his hate and forgave sandman, mj and peter get their happy ending
@jamesrichards2720 4 жыл бұрын
Harry died.
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesrichards2720 as a hero...not like his father.
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@DJWingoYT 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesrichards2720 ik
@JohnSmith-jh6ey 4 жыл бұрын
A happy ending would have been seeing their wedding
@tobeymmemes4111 4 жыл бұрын
“No. Please don’t say that.”
@Walkingdeadfan240 4 жыл бұрын
Me: Remember Spider-man 4? The film you tried to ruin just like the 3rd one? Sony: What does it matter to you anyway? Me: EVERYTHING!!
@daplayer1098 4 жыл бұрын
Nahhh for me the 3rd one was a good one... Not the best offcourse but still.
@redwaldcuthberting7195 4 жыл бұрын
@@daplayer1098 3rd as in third noth thirth.
@arjunmamidala1138 4 жыл бұрын
daplayer10 yea same I still liked it
@StanIsSwag 4 жыл бұрын
Edbound ayyy
@borisjohnson5744 3 жыл бұрын
The 3rd one wasn't ruined. It was a masterpiece.
@yeetboi0069 4 жыл бұрын
channel pup: “Spider-Man 4 could never work” everyone: “no please, please don’t say that“
@thepermanentshockedface9177 4 жыл бұрын
Give tobey a cameo in Dr strange, see how's fans react and let's move forward from there.
@jorrox9311 4 жыл бұрын
No tobey Maguire spiderman should be in the movie no a cameo
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
Boy do i got some news for you
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
But it's pretty old at this point so what am i even saying it's not news
@oopartsw911 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve had an idea for Spider-Man 4: It’s been 3-4 years. A montage showing Spider-Man saving people and fighting criminals are mingled with Peter and MJ marrying and moving into a place together. Peter struggles to be a good husband but after the death of Aunt May, he loses himself in Spider-Man, trying to get the pain to go numb, therefore neglecting MJ. WhenPeter gets everything he wants, he can’t be happy because of a major loss. Peter must face what it is a man must do and become in order to be the man his wife needs him to be. After defeating his villain which would somehow tie into the story, it ends with MJ announcing she’s pregnant. Spider-Man 5: Peter starts to learn to be a father as MJ tires of not pursuing her career. She gets to finally complete her dream, leaving Peter alone with their baby. Several wacky incidents occur with him trying to be Spider-Man while babysitting before he’s taken by the villain of the story. MJ is also stolen from him and in a confrontation with the villain, MJ sacrifices herself to let Peter save their child. Spider-Man 6: Basically, God of War 4 mixed with the end of Logan.
@Shevtress 4 жыл бұрын
TheGamingHispanic21 We don’t talk about that comic.
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
Ok let's keep it to 4 doesn't sound too bad .
@Jeezet 4 жыл бұрын
"Spider-Man 3 was a dead end." Me: "Okay just wallcrawl."
@acecashman1237 4 жыл бұрын
14:54 well, Doctor Strange also existed in the Raimiverse, Jameson made a reference to him when deciding someone's (don't remember) name, then said Doctor Strange but quickly noted that it was already taken
@Yael_ch19 2 жыл бұрын
He was deciding what to name Octavius, one of them being doctor strange and then ending up with Doctor Octopus
@giorgimamalashvili4220 4 жыл бұрын
Actually there IS Spider-man 4... The Rent Saga by Spidercide.
@gob18 4 жыл бұрын
Wheres my money!
@antoninoverder6435 4 жыл бұрын
I watched that series.that was so good
@astropictures4396 2 жыл бұрын
NWH SPOILERS Peter did say that he and Mary Jane made it work so...
@Coolyes379 2 жыл бұрын
Spider man 3 was like a big finale peter meets his true uncles killer then harry dies. Spider man 4 would be dumb
@leonardogutierrezgonzalez7018 2 жыл бұрын
Also tobey is in no shape to continue, TASM 3 could be good tho
@thehomie492 11 ай бұрын
Naah could be cool Sam Raimi knows Spider-Man too well to fck it up
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
No it wouldn't , Raimi the goat made these great movies and if he thinks he can do another one then he can do another one simple as that .
@bioresidentskg5025 4 жыл бұрын
**Spider-Man 4 could never work.** **High Mountain Studios:** You wanna say that again mate?
@ChannelPup 4 жыл бұрын
Those guys are maniacs taking on such a task but I admire the heck out of them for it and I’m always game for a little fan film movie magic.
@RealFanOfSteel 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChannelPup if you've seen the fan film Mario Warfare, it'll be most likely be along those lines or something more. (In a production sense)
@uncanalcualquieraknuckles1853 4 жыл бұрын
That's why it got cancelled, Raimi wanted it to be BETTER than SPIDERMAN 2 but he couldn't
@Rosay_Fitness 4 жыл бұрын
Un canal cualquiera & knuckles he couldn’t due to the studio wanting to jam in venom ,so it gave him stress,he didn’t want venom so he as much as he wanted to love and care for the project,his love for it was yanked by the studio Sadly,I believe if he did what he really wanted to do he would have made it happen
@WildYT 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly they need to make an animated continuation show of the raimi trilogy taking place a year or two after spidey 3
@jumpman2346 4 жыл бұрын
fr
@CcatVideogames 2 жыл бұрын
Thats actually a great idea
@maddenboseroy4074 2 жыл бұрын
I think something we forget - and I've only heard it - is that Raimi was pushed by Sony to include Venom in Spider-Man 3 (if only because it made sense, given that Spider Man's other two arch-foes already appeared).
@gamemediafan1714 2 жыл бұрын
I'm about 90% sure that one of the scripts made for Spiderman 4 ended up being reworked into TASM 1. The proof comes from the fact that James Vanderbilt, who is credited as one of the screenwriters and as the person behind the story, wrote a script for Spiderman 4, which was one of the many different scripts written by different writers. I think that when TASM 1 was made, Sony decided to just take one of the many scirpt written for Spiferman 4 and have it rewritten into a new Spiderman reboot.
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
Being honest, i'm happy for not having this film, i mean, the three seal the Peter, Harry and MJ film arc.
@logannottheonefrommarvel9917 4 жыл бұрын
Andres Anguiano Zuñiga it would've been the Batman and Robin equivalent to Spider-Man movies
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
@@logannottheonefrommarvel9917 i don't think so...to the Batman films, Robin could exist in the arc...the problem of Batman and Robin is not why, is how is made.
@trevorphilips9065 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I'm glad too it ended great not perfect but great.
@jumpman2346 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I wanted to see rhino thoooo
@brucewayne8252 2 жыл бұрын
At first I thoght MJ and Peter's personalities were different and that they were just in an emotionally immature fluffy relationship . Byt actually MJ loves Peter because he understands her and he likes her personality , unlike Flash , Harry , and John Jameson who only liked her for her looks and wanted to impress her . She always wanted someone to give her real love that her family couldn't give her . Plus , the trilogy really shows you the toxic instability of pre-marriage relationships , it's not just MJ .
@sondxrrr 4 жыл бұрын
I remember when everyone thought carnage was gonna be in the movie
@anthonygarcia8749 4 жыл бұрын
This is why I love Sam Raimi. One of the many reasons is because rather than just making spider-man 4 just to do it and make a sequel. He decided to step away from it when he couldn't get the script together and come up with the right story. He didn't rush the movie to try to top himself so to speak. So as much as it pains me to say I'm glad we didn't get Spider-Man 4 if he didn't have the right story to tell with these characters.
@suarezguy 4 жыл бұрын
One of the very few filmmakers to walk away from a big hit and payday, to care more about whether the story would be good, worthwhile.
@IronAvenger2k05 2 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion: Spider-Man 3 is better than 1
@Smee319 4 жыл бұрын
Great video but I wanted to respond to a point you made earlier in the video. Spider-man 4 WAS intended to be a finale to the Raimi films. In the Amazing Spider-man blu ray documentaries, screenwriter James Vanderbilt said that he was tasked with making Spider-man 4 a finale to the series. Also, in interviews since its cancellation, Sam Raimi has said he was only doing SM4 to try to end his run on a stronger note. As for 5 & 6, there was a blurb in the original reports in 2009 that these could also act as a reboot to the franchise, and Raimi said that the reboot was being developed simultaneously with Spider-man 4 as a back up. Vanderbilt's draft of Spidey 4 was so big the rumor became that it would be used for 4 and 5 which would shoot back to back. As other writers came on board it became a one-movie focus. When "5 & 6" were announced with Vanderbilt writing, it was revealed that Raimi hadn't liked all of Vanderbilt's ideas, but Sony did.
@gustavogoikoetxea4524 4 жыл бұрын
The third movie wasn’t even that bad
@WanderingLoner1 4 жыл бұрын
"Not that bad"?? Bro, I liked that movie.
@Stormtrooper-li1je 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@anthonygarcia8749 4 жыл бұрын
Love the movie to this day
@trevorphilips9065 4 жыл бұрын
Now dig on this
@wayne909 4 жыл бұрын
Not as good as the first two but still a really good film in its own right. It's a bummer people dog on it so much
@efrainjunior2409 4 жыл бұрын
2008-2010: Spider-Man 4 was supposed to released on May 6, 2011, but Sony cancelled it on January 11, 2010. 2020: Sam Raimi has officially directing Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
@dericjames2018 4 жыл бұрын
Spider-Man 4 would have been successful and it was supposed to come out 4 years after Spider-Man 3.
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
All what you say have no sense.
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
@Srikanth Ramprasad yep.
@Skittles1987 4 жыл бұрын
I remember being excited for Spider-Man 4 back then when I was little and then I searched up Spider-Man 4 on KZfaq and remember seeing Spider-Man 4 cancelled videos
@Shevtress 4 жыл бұрын
Deric James Can’t just assume it would have been successful.
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
@@ShevtressYes he can , cuz the other ones were and Sam was directing this one too , he left because it wasn't working when the shooting was about to start , so it never came out to be unsuccessful .
@lennykiss-digitalartist2597 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see what this version of Spider-Man is doing now. If he is happy or unhappy. Also it would be interesting if he is married or has kids or whatever. I wanna see him today.
@cornhq 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the raimi movies when I rewatch them, but they are definitely a product of their time. They are extremely cheesy but in a good way.
@kevinhernandez09515 4 жыл бұрын
I think that the Sam Raimi Trilogy is the best case scenario. And yes seeing more movies of him would either grow into a pain to see or see the 2nd redemption of Peter Parker/Spider-Man. Let's say this. After the events of the third film with it's sad conclusion of Harry dying for his best friend as well as the downfall of Peter and MJ's relationship, now Peter has to learn to be a better friend or person towards the people he wants to continue on with, that being MJ and Aunt May. Of course he has to move one but also appreciate the small moments that he has with MJ and actually listen to her and treat her like a person. I think that after using Gwen Stacy we could let her live and just let her not wanting to do anything with Peter for a while (if ever). But having Felicia Hardy being like his rebound only for him to be treated like he did with MJ. Felicia only falling for the idea of being with Spidey and not Parker, could be the medicine he needed to see or acknowledge that he was treating MJ as a goal or object, rather than person herself, and Mysterio (rather than the vulture) could perfectly take advantage of this knowledge through Felicia. With maybe the final shot being MJ and Peter sharing time together with just a bit of hope of them working things out (but that would also mean maybe less quirky lines from when these two are together as that was the dream, and now they're both in reality) Sort of remanencing some key points of Spider-Man 2 . But that's just my ideal
@kylerezzarday9280 4 жыл бұрын
Tobey McGuire is 5'8'' so I'm not sure how he would have looked tall in the MCU???
@johnnyvargas1301 4 жыл бұрын
Kyle Rezzarday who cares he can be a adult Spider-Man
@Luna-bj3hb 3 жыл бұрын
Tom 5.7 tobey 5.9 Andrew 5.11
@Luna-bj3hb 3 жыл бұрын
@Joey Style yea he’s 5.9 he’s alright Spider-Man height
@Luna-bj3hb 3 жыл бұрын
You don’t reply Kyle your gay
@kylerezzarday9280 3 жыл бұрын
@@Luna-bj3hb *you’re
@sleepy9102 3 жыл бұрын
Dude this analysis was phenomenal. You definitely need to make more movie analysis these were so well thought out and pushed my appreciation for these movies even further.
@ivansedigo7301 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in MCU universe... Tobey Peter Parker: Well... I won't give up. It took a while, but... we made it work.
@moviehermit5631 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the development of Peter an M.J. was definitely thematically well developed. While it may have strayed from their usual comic relationship, the struggles of a relationship are every well done (and are even brought back in _Into the Spider-verse)._ Everyone wants the perfect relationship where we meet someone we like, feelings develop, and an easy happily ever after is followed. But the truth is that not all relationships are meant to walk off into the sunset. And that's a truth not often delved into with stories about relationships. Just look at Ross and Rachel from _Friends,_ Ross pined after Rachel throughout high school and Rachel never really noticed him at all. They eventually get into a relationship (with a rocky start) and it goes well. Until reality sets in and problems show up that bring to light their toxic nature. Ross is so protective of Rachel after having been the guy across the room for years that whenever she has independence or there's a handsome charismatic guy talking to her, he feels threatened that he will lose what he deems as "his". Which leads to the break, the drunk one-night-stand and the nuclear fallout of their relationship. And after they've each come to terms with the relationship, the toxic nature re-emerges. Whenever Ross begins to move on in a new relationship before Rachel, she suddenly feels the same love she once had for Ross once again. And then she attempts to sabotage that relationship, only for them to not feel any of that love for each other again. And then there's Ross who won't admit to his mistake, claiming the "we were on a break" argument as something that exonerates him of being so clingy to Rachel that when she had a life that didn't revolve around him, he proceeded to get drunk and have a one-night-stand with who amounted to a complete stranger. Yet somehow, in the end, they have a daughter and get back together in the end. While this shows that they each grew as individuals, it also presents the fantasy of a couple who endures any hardship because they will always love each other. And like Channel Pup said, Peter was only in love with the _idea_ of M.J., which is sadly, often what happens with relationships that start with a weak foundation. Peter may have encouraged her to pursue her acting career, but he didn't do much beyond that. Then suddenly he's ready to marry her even though they haven't even moved in together. He wanted that fantasy he's had since he was a kid to come true without even thinking about M.J.'s side of things. Their relationship being put on hold would actually be in line with the themes of Spider-man. Sometimes, the hero doesn't get the girl because the girl isn't someone to _get,_ and that allows for the hero to reflect and learn, and they might either get back together with their partner, or simply move on
@austinjohnsen4430 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is spot on. Even Nostalgic Critic who in the past has reminded everyone of how hokey and cheesy these movies are mentioned in his Spider Man 3 review how Peter and MJ’s relationship struggles were something the movies were hinting at based on how immature they are and MJ’s look of concern and dread at the end of 2.
@RisingBeast00 4 жыл бұрын
Spiderman 3 felt very conclusive.
@applepie1272 2 жыл бұрын
It could never work at this time But if Sony didn't cancel it, it could've been a revival to the franchise
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
No it's good Sony cancelled it . Raimi was not feeling any scripts when the shooting was about to start so he walked out . But it could definitely work if given the proper time , now Raimi wants to do it , some actors including Tobey are interested too , they should make #RaimiSpiderman4 . Let Raimi the goat handle it and he'll do it justice
@steventylerrocks8382 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know what to think. If Spider-Man 3 was a better movie, I don't think I would've demanded more, but I hate that the series ended on a whimper. It doesn't help that the last piece of media to come out of the Raimi universe was Spider-Man: Friend or Foe.
@AidanHill639 3 жыл бұрын
Friend or foe isn’t canon you know
@brosephin 4 жыл бұрын
carnage could've been introduced in spider-man 4 because dr. Connors never got rid of the black symbiote he had and could've experimented on it, creating carnage.
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah...but it really could hard to defeat Carnage without Venom.
@brosephin 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 yeah but sandman would've helped spidey
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
@@brosephin again the fans whould attack...they don't care about Sandman :(
@brosephin 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 sandman was my favorite character other than Peter in the trilogy tho :(
@andresanguianozuniga6798 4 жыл бұрын
@@brosephin for me, one of the best of the 3.
@zlch4021 2 жыл бұрын
Aw, they should have just done a Mr Ditkovitch solo film. That would be a MOVIE
@johnc2440 4 жыл бұрын
“That’s slander”
@pandafluffynut 4 жыл бұрын
So quick question, what happened at Sony during Spider-Man 3? Like the first 2 movies were exactly the film Sam Rami wanted to make, why was it when Spider-Man 3 was being made they got all controlly?
@wayne909 4 жыл бұрын
It's a common thing in hollywood, the more successful something is, the less control you have
@VarjoPira 3 жыл бұрын
Sony realized they had a gold mine in their hands, and wanted to sell more Venom toys. Creative interference. You think your director is so good he can handle all these prerequisites without ruining what made him great in the first place. No director is that good.
@Mr.marvelous06 4 жыл бұрын
At the ending of SpiderMan 3,Mj said,"If there's something important,say it", and Peter said ,"Nothing". Actually there WAS. MR. DITKOVICH WAITING FOR HIS RENT SINCE SPIDERMAN 2. Will he get his rent in the fourth?
@trchbrr 4 жыл бұрын
IMO even though it was unintentional, MJ and Peter dancing was the perfect ending to the trilogy.
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
Why would you think it was unintentional 😂
@trchbrr 3 ай бұрын
@@humanman9920 Because there were plans to make a next one before it got canned
@FullArcher05 2 жыл бұрын
I was always under the impression that Peter and Mary Jane never made up after the movie since it seemed like their relationship couldn't work out the way they wanted it to. There's no exchange of dialogue between them that approaches an "I still love you.". They would've likely made up but parted ways.
@GameApologist 4 жыл бұрын
Very insightful look at the relationship between these two, my dude. Well said.
@reversalmushroom 2 жыл бұрын
I actually think a reconciliation between Peter and MJ would be quite easy because it was never really them doing what they did in the 1st place; Peter was corrupted by the symbiote, and MJ was blackmailed into leaving him, so I imagine they just have 1 conversation revealing both these things, and everything goes back to being hunky-dory.
@KeranKeranos 4 жыл бұрын
Am I not supposed to have what I want? What i need?
@Sergio-wm5du 3 жыл бұрын
*Sees title* Me: “Am I not supposed to have what I want”
@morgancarter5788 3 жыл бұрын
What I need. What am I supposed to do?
@TheBigRedMario 4 жыл бұрын
(Me seeing the comments filled with Raimi quotes) “I love democracy.”
@75JUNAKI 3 жыл бұрын
TheBigRedMario I love that you used a PT meme a Palpatine meme
@acecashman1237 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Sam Raimi's Spider-Man was prime Spider-Man in terms of built. Would've definitely been odd seeing him doing muscle poses with Thor and looking impressive while doing it lol
@Biotyn 4 жыл бұрын
You should talk about the spiderman 4 fan film Edit: whoops spoke to soon, sorry
@tonymata8070 4 жыл бұрын
I'm quite content with the trilogy, sure it stinks that we didn't get a 4th entry but I wouldn't want it to go like other films and shows that over do it. And honestly I've been enjoying the current iteration of Spidey and I can't wait for the third film.
@DFGHulkOfficial 4 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to see Jim Carry play Carnage
@wayne909 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe that would work for most but not for people like me that don't care for either of them lol
@CineScarborough 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I think three films works well anyway, because it follows the classical Hollywood three act structure. Hell, I'd be happy if we only got three Tom Holland Spider-Man films.
@j.moon98 4 жыл бұрын
I never realized how Peter, as you put it, was "head in the clouds" about being with MJ until I saw this video. Nice analysis.
@candicoated2001 4 жыл бұрын
That's a nice opinion, did your husband make it for you?
@allysanchez5630 Жыл бұрын
They wasted a chance to have Dylan Baker’s Connors become the lizard. They just gave that job to Rhys Ifans
@RonaldRayGunn 4 жыл бұрын
I would totally watch a Spider-Man 4
@maldon3659 4 жыл бұрын
What would've been more annoying about Spider-man 4 is there would've had ANOTHER love triangle especially with Black Cat there
@suarezguy 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that (and Black Cat possibly being Vulture's daughter) probably would have happened and been aggravating.
@redwaldcuthberting7195 4 жыл бұрын
Ms. Brant, get me a violin...
@RenegadeGunn 4 жыл бұрын
Never say Never because you'll never know when Sony might changed their minds about letting Sam direct the 4th Spider-Man
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
#RaimiSpiderman4 Sam wants to do it , Tobey and some other actors too let them cook
@aleksandrasdambrauskas2065 4 жыл бұрын
I wish they would of continued Spider-Man 3 was one of my favorite movies of all times
@90GIBChETHZ00eee 2 жыл бұрын
No Way, Homie. Peter still has a relationship with MJ but who knows how close...
@Heywoodjablome1964 2 жыл бұрын
Malkovich as vulture would’ve been so badass
@Hjallapenos 4 жыл бұрын
Been following High Mountain Studios for a while now and I'm glad you mentioned them :)
@Jose-se9pu 2 жыл бұрын
Kirsten Dusnt recently mentioned how tired she was about getting paid a fraction of what Tobey was getting, she already didnt want to be in Soiderman 3, so for 4, she was collecting a big juicy paycheck, and his character was being written off, with the movie ending with Peter and MJ divorcing, leaving the stage set for some sort of love triangle with Gwen (and we know how that story ends) and Felicia... At the end of the day, as much as I would have loved to see this movie, I think we got the perfect conclusion with Spiderman 3, Sam was running out of ideas, Tobey was getting tired of the character and getting too old to keep playing him, James Franco was out, Kirsten Dunst was on her way out...
@ethanco453 4 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you.
@honkahonka9975 4 жыл бұрын
This kind of mirrors the reason why I hate Toy Story 4 . ( plus I totally love Spiderman 3 , the only thing bothering me is the whole Harry-amnesia thing . He could’ve pretended to have amnesia and pull the strings from behind the scenes and it would’ve made him more diabolical)
@chemsomnia 4 жыл бұрын
I'm fine with it having been rebooted.
@shubo4478 4 жыл бұрын
Why Yoda??
@chemsomnia 4 жыл бұрын
@@shubo4478 Question me, do not.
@TheHorns1996 4 жыл бұрын
I would've let Raimi finish the story he told, then once he did, I would've given the rights to Marvel
@Mattucker67 4 жыл бұрын
I was assuming if there was a Spider-Man 4, It would have ended spinning off into a new series of movies about Peter's daughter taking on the Spidey mantle.
@mxcokoko 4 жыл бұрын
I would have been shocked if Sam Raini's Spiderman wouldn't have joined the MCU at some point if it kept going.
@wayne909 4 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't work. Raimi's Spider-Man has far too much heart and depth for the MCU
@mxcokoko 4 жыл бұрын
@@wayne909 Fair point, maybe he could have brought actual pain to the MCU
@masonwright7700 3 жыл бұрын
@@wayne909 stfu
@masonwright7700 3 жыл бұрын
@@mxcokoko stfu
@mxcokoko 3 жыл бұрын
@@masonwright7700 lmao
@dansoloskywalkerproduction4329 4 жыл бұрын
"Why Spider-Man for could never work" Me: it's outrageous it's unfair!
@75JUNAKI 3 жыл бұрын
Cyber Vader An Anakin quote/meme....... I love democracy
@Speeda-Guy 4 жыл бұрын
Spider-Man 4:Pizza Time Madness
@rayvonvelez3129 3 жыл бұрын
I think it wouldn't work cuz harry is dead. Harry is an important character in the trilogy. His character develops throughout all the films like Peter.
@memesgeek4797 2 жыл бұрын
Probably besides Aunt May he was the best written character.
@alexjackson4698 2 жыл бұрын
Also im glad that im not the only one that binge watches the fights from the sam raimi trilogy on KZfaq lmao
@kamil.p5134 4 жыл бұрын
"I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye"
@whiteoioeyes145 3 жыл бұрын
The director it self is saying he thinks about spiderman 4 every day and you think you know it would work or not? You dont know anything paul
@untipoquenadieconoce 2 жыл бұрын
Remember that dr. Connors had part of the symbiote? That probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere
@RMPJR2 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the hero size thing because Spider-Man was as buff as Captain America in the comics anyways. And Spider-Man wasn’t young for very long at all, including that he would’ve fit as a truly independent hero joining the Avengers team just like the comics in civil war, rather than this Tony Stark hand holder.
@alexman378 4 жыл бұрын
Maguire is the exact same height as Holland though...
@ericebjonesii1378 4 жыл бұрын
Alexander Angelus that’s what I was sayin!!!
@Masonicon 4 жыл бұрын
That's why Spiderman joins MCU
@KaleBennett 4 жыл бұрын
I think in a series, as long as the first isnt a perfect movie, any sequel should just aim to be better than the first with higher expectations for a series or era finale
@2kx62 2 жыл бұрын
I mean nothing impossible now “No way home” “Toby “ ”Andrew”
@spudsbuchlaw 2 жыл бұрын
I think if SM4 came out now, you couldn't really use the original script ideas. You'd have to have some form of time skip to justify the in universe soft reboot
@humanman9920 3 ай бұрын
" soft reboot " meaning what exactly ? Pretty sure there has been no reboot .
@tan_tama1354 3 жыл бұрын
Spider-Man 4 only can work if Sony remade Spider-Man 3. Set aside venom for SM4 and put only sandman and harry as the villain. Voila! That was what Sam Raimi wanted to do
@amazingspiderman677 4 жыл бұрын
Love your vids bro keep up the good work! Could you please talk about Jason Todd or the red hood in the DCEU? Zach Snyder said he was going to explore it but it never happend. What do you think about Jason being in the dceu?
@ShockwaveFPSStudios 4 жыл бұрын
Actually, the quote on quote deleted end credits scene is a blooper not a deleted scene. There I have to do my own Phil mason accent
@LeoSharaf 4 жыл бұрын
Peter’s arc is sad :( i always wanted closure for his ending. Maybe one day
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