Some of you missed the point, this isnt a review (check out our Review for the Review, a solid 7/10), this a spoilers discussion in which we do nitpick the film and spoil various twists. Also I agree Mysterio is well done for his on screen version, I said as much he's accurate, OJ and Alex didnt like him - I did. However that doesnt change that his backstory is very close to Vultures, why did they have to do that? Why not make him an illusionist having nothing to do with Tony. Everything is related to Tony and id like for Spiderman to move past that (after this film, since Tony's death needs to be dealt with). More importantly when seen as a whole Mysterio's plan doesnt make much sense in the long run and could never have succeeded, if someone can explain how it could have, and how it wasnt dumb if just any amount of army showed up, please let me know. Our opinion is that the film is at its best with the MJ and Vacation aspects, and alright visually and with its action in Mysterio but not so much as Mysterio as a Strong Character himself. Thats mostly our opinion.

I’ll cut to the chase: Who else didn't expect JK Simmons to come back as J. Jonah Jameson?

I think they pulled off mysterio very well. The reason why they showed the multiverse theory in the trailer is because, just like everyone in the movie, we fell for it. “ After the blip people will believe anything.”

In my opinion Jake Gylenhaal was phenominal as Mysterio

"You mean you killed off real heroes so that you could pretend to be one?!" - Mr. Incredible, 2004

Who the hell loved that mysterio illusion scene because that shit had my jaw dropped on the floor it was so fucking incredible who else loved that scene?

The scenes of Mysterio using his illusions on Spider-man were absolutely fantastic, and JK coming back was a great moment

Vulture's motivation was never to get revenge on Tony Stark, his motivations was to make money to provide for his family. He was pissed that Tony Stark stopped his salvaging operation but when he realised that he could make profit by making stuff themselves and selling it on the black market that's what he did. After that he did went after Stark tech a lot but that's simply because that's the best gear there is. At some point he said something like 'People like Stark, they dont care about us, we eat their scraps...' That sounded more like a rant from someone of the middle class working his ass off while he feel that the upper class is fucking him over rather than a personnal vendetta against Tony. Mysterio however had a motivation to steal Stark tech because he was the engineer behind the drone simulation thing and Tony stole it, gave it the name barf and then fired him, he says it in the exposition scene. He had a chance to become famous and rich with this breakthrough but Stark fucked him. After that he used the super hero personna to get the people's attention et be famous because in the world of the MCU, superheroes are super popular (no wonder). Eneway, though the two villains seem similar in their motivations, they're not the same.

This video: I can't believe they made Mysterio like Mysterio

I ADORED the illusion sequences. A couple of the best in the MCU

Shout out to the zombie Tony Stark cameo. Closest thing we'll get to Marvel Zombies.

Sooooo you hated Mysterio for being almost exactly like Mysterio in the comics? Ok..

Well, Iron Man's villains are people whom the Stark family screwed over. Spiderman is just picking up the baton. First film's villain is Howard Stark's business partner. Second film is Howard Stark's lab partner. Third film is Tony snubbing a potential business partner. Age of Ultron, Tony screwing himself over. Homecoming, Tony screwing over a blue collared family man. Far From Home, Stark Industries screwing employees over. It's like poetry it rhymes.

I actually liked Mysterio's origin with the MCU. It was a real nice call back and connections to previous MCU movies.

I think mysterio was well done, I mean i saw the twist coming. But that didn't detract from the movie

There is a multiverse, they said it a couple of times in Doctor Strange

comics : skrulls are the bad guys movie : psyche! skrulls are the good guys fans : WTF is this! we want what's in the comics comics : mysterio is the bad guy movie : mysterio IS the bad guy fans : WTF!!!!!! why is this the same in the comics! I wish they did something different with him and not like in the comics!! shame. 😧😧😧

I never thought i would see in my life Spider Man trapped in a genjutsu

The illusion sequences were so reminiscent of the 90s cartoon and I loooooooved that!!!!!!!!

Just watched it for the first time today. I’m a die hard marvel cinematic fan and I waited to watch this alone in my home without knowing anything about mysterio. Gotta say in my position, it was such a cool movie.

Mysterio was the same as Vulture? I don’t see Mysterio using alien tech to help support his family.

Honestly, who else could have played J. Jonah Jameson besides J.K. Simmons?

Personally i enjoyed Mysterio in this movie. It's pretty much the 90s animated version on the big screen and that ain't a bad thing imo

You guys missed it he didn’t lose his spider sense he was learning how to use it and at the end he was finally able to use it to his full potential

Why do people say “there’s no multiverse” just because Mysterio was lying? The multiverse has been confirmed since Dr. Strange’s movie.

Joe is right, if they changed mysterio drastically, comic book fans would hate it so much, you can't satisfy casual fans and hardcore fans. The fact we even got a mysterio as the main villain and not a joke villain is a feat of itself. I think they honored the character and picked an amazing actor to play the role.

So let me get this straight.... The reason you guys felt that Mysterio was a weak villain... Is because he's too much like the comics? Dafuq? And already you lost me with your review with comparison to vulture. Toomes(vulture) did NOT become a villain to get revenge on Tony Stark. Yes he was pissed Tony took over damage control essentially putting him out of a job, but he went into the weapons business to help his family. And I thought it was already stated that for this version of spiderman, the spidersense was something that he had to develop, he didn't just know how to use it. And of course we saw Mysterio coming, he's Mysterio!!! He's a lying manipulative scumbag

You misunderstood the 'Peter-tingle' thing - in previous MCU movies he only experienced it a few times, and reacted to that feeling (oh man, look at my hair standing up) before looking around for the oncoming danger. At the start of this movie he has already realised that it works as some sort of danger sense, but he still isn't very used to it and hardly feels anything for lesser dangers (like a slow-moving banana compared to, say a bullet) - hence he doesn't even have a name for it yet. Once he fully starts trusting this sense as a Spider-sense, like he does at the end, he's just that much better at anticipating danger and being able to ignore the illusions. Also I don't see anyone saying much that Mysterio isn't dead (Not the person playing him, though that's also possible) - in the MCU now, 'Mysterio' is an entire team of people. The heroes don't even know about this team, so someone else (the box of scraps guy) can take up the mantle, use holograms to make him look like the original and just go on with their plan. I foresee this as a long-running threat, even teaming up with other villains or providing them with tech a la Hydra for at least one or two more movies

In the comics he lost his spider sense because its tailored to his Emotions. And it was hard for him to fine tune it and get a grip on it.

imagine getting a mostly faithful adaptation of mysterio from the comics and still complaining that it was... a faithful adaptation....?

I bet $20 that if they did mysterio like mandarin alex would have hated it more because it didn’t stay true to the comics

What I thought was stupid was Spiderman giving Edith to Mysterio. Like he barely knew Mysterio and just handed it to him. It would have made sense to give it to Happy or literally any other avenger e.g. War Machine...

Far from home is easily my 3rd Favorite. 1) Spider-Man 2 2) Into the Spider-Verse 3) Far from Home If Spider-Man PS4 was a movie it would trump everything though

Mysterio was fucking awesome and way better than Vulture, I couldn't disagree with you guys more, haha

WTF is Alex talking about, not satisfy with misterio. Adaptation from the comic not good enough? What do peoole want now in days? The movie was fun for what it is smh

Jake Gyllenhaal is one of those dudes. One minute he is a nerdy scientist from October sky another he is the cameraman from the Nightcrawler. he can do both very well. he is a great actor.

Dude I was so shocked to see J. K. Simmons as J. Jona jameson once again I hope that he will return in future movies

The end credit scene with nick fury is setting up SWORD, in the comics its basically the space version of SHIELD

How could they have written mysterio better but stay faithful?? His complaint seems to vague without a solution. The movie gave a good motivation and gave a good explanation of how he works. This is one of those movies where the villain will always be alive because it's not just one guy

A little late but a good heads-up ;) 1) The character played by Zendaya is not Mary Jane, is Michelle Jones 2) There is a multiverse in the MCU, mentioned by The Ancient One in Doctor Strange movie

Star Wars: bad because it subverted our expectation. Far from home: bad because it's what we expected.

I feel like this is the only negative view on Mystereo's portrayal.

I think the director knew Mysterio being a villian would be predictable, it's the way it became a twist that's interesting.

Comic book readers when a character is “bad”: it’s not faithful to the comics Also comic book readers when a character is “bad”: it’s too similar to the comics. It gets pretty fucking annoying when all people care about is how much a movie resembles its original sources

Just because you can see something coming doesn't make it bad. It just means you know the source material, and you've seen a lot of movies.

Love you guys but i cant agree. Mysterio was done significantly well. It was both a faithfull recreation and a perfect tie in in the mcu

So you’re angry that they did what the comics did?

I knew you wouldn’t like the movie when I saw it had 90%+ on Rotten Tomatoes.

When I see Green Goblin in a trailer, he better not have a Green suit and ride a glider because that is WAAY too predictable!!!😡😡

This was the most accurate portrayal of Mysterio as possible. If you didn’t like him in this movie than you probably just don’t like the character at all 🤷‍♂️

You want the villain not to be the villain? So you must hate the Dark Night! The movie was great. I loved Mystrio's illusions. It reminded me of Doctor Strange trip into multiverse and it was amazing!

The Skulls knows the coded message is because the Skulls gets all the memories of who they copied. It's from Captain Marvel.

The first thing I thought when I did see the fake "vacation" Fury had at the end was "Tahiti... Is a magical place"

I dunno if i've ever disagreed with all 3 of you at once. Odd. It wasn't hard to see what was coming, but I reaaaally didn't care. Loved it.

I think you guys are just nitpicking, the film was enjoyable start to finish. It was a well paced film with spectacular fight scenes, good dialogue and great characters.

“There is no multiverse” Endgame: “Am I a fucking joke to you?”

I figured he lost his spider sense because of what happened in endgame.

Wait, so your biggest problem with Mysterio was that he was like the comic book version of his character? Makes alot of sense....

I respectfully disagree heavy with you guys on this one.

Mysterio to Peter and MJ: "..and I would have gotten away with it too.. if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

What I love is that he pops out of a moving bus and then lands back in the hole...even though the bus is moving

The part with the ACDC music was awesome honestly. And JK Simmons, of course. Perfection.

The multi verse does exist! It was confirmed in Dr Strange so that doesn’t matter to me

I think the version of Mysterio we got is probably the scariest one I've seen. With misinformation easier to spread in our modern age and advanced tech making it easier to keep up false appearances really made me shiver for a moment. As for the spider sense issue. It looks like it's heavily implied that it was hampered through his grieve over the loss of ironman.

I don’t want him to be the next Iron Man. I want him to be the first Spider-Man. And I wish that they explored that plot line in the film.

Why are we looking for a problem? Mysterio was mysterio lol oh no!

Jesus you guys are so cynical. Biggest complaint: Mysterio was portrayed as Mysterio!

This was really enjoyable movie. Specially the fight scene between Mysterio and Spiderman, the tricks Mysterio has up his sleeve really did make him feel like a strong opponent even when we all knew he had no special powers, only illusions.

So someone tell me if I'm wrong or if this was an error in the movie. When Peter gave the glasses to Beck he had to confirm the transferring of EADITH's uses to Beck. Well at the end when Peter takes the glasses off of Beck he just takes them and starts using them. Wouldn't Beck have had to confirm with EADITH the switch back to Peter or are we just assuming that Peter was given unlimited use to EADITH and didn't need to be reconfirmed as a user regardless of who else is authorized to use her at the time?

I didn't watch this movie but hearing JK Simmons is JJJ again is probably the greatest thing I've ever heard of

10:50 WHAT?! In what world is mysterio a weak villain? He's part of the sinister six. Also it's condiment king, not man.

Mysterio was potrayed exacyly the way Mysterio was in the comics Yes, we all saw the plot twist coming, because we alredy know this is howMysterio operates, he's an egomaniac who wants to be potrayed as the hero but always fails in the end because he's very short sighted, and in that scense, they nailed it (even the fish bowl head!) He still got positive changes form the source material, they gave a more "realistic" explanation to his ilusions (in the comics he just used an hallucinogen gas that never really epxlains how he can contorl the ilusions) plus, his ilusions can't really harm anyone in the comics, yet here in the movie they found a way to make them be threathening as the drones beneath the ilusion are the ones causing the damage, like REAL damage. Sorry guys, you may have dilsiked Mysterio but to me he was perfeclty potrayed and he was exactly everything I was expecting & looking for Mysterio in the big screen. I rispect your opinion but if I'm being honets, it looked like you were just nitpicking very silly & stupid details for the sake of nitpicking)

They should have done a thing where beck calls a iron man suit and makes himself look like Tony so peter has to fight him and sort of break his connection/ mourning of Tony.

The whole MCU is meant to pander to the more casual audience, most who don’t know much of anything about these characters. I know the comics so I saw the Mysterio twist coming, but someone who isn’t well versed in the comics would probably see this as an intriguing twist. I personally thought this was a well-executed adaptation of an interesting villain, even if it was very similar to the Vulture ark

The first review I disagree on with you guys. I thought the film was awesome

Movie Villain is not as accurate as the Comic Books version: Hate it Movie Villain is accurate as Comic Book version: Still hate it ...Make up your minds already lol

they do know that most audience doesn't know who Mysterio is..

Let me guess, joe loved it, OJ thought it was okay and Alex hated it

Couldn’t disagree more, loved this movie! Super excited for S.W.O.R.D

As far as I know (before watching the movie) Spider Sense doesn't work on those he considers allies that he trusts such as friends, family and colleges. Once he knew Mysterio was his enemy it worked again. As you said, however, they didn't explain that fact in the movie.

Did anyone else even start putting 2 and 2 together with the "target Brad" scene? I didn't even realize that was forshadowing... I have actually MADE theories about BARF and how it could reemerge, but I never even thought about Mysterio. I kinda feel dumb now.

Alex acts like he knows comics yet he’s clueless 😂😂😂

I've always been a massive Mysterio fan, and I LOVED him in this. I was worried he'd have actual powers and be from an alternate Earth (this is Sony after all) when seeing the trailers, but I was happy that they were quite faithful to the comics. and those classic comic-book Mysterio illusion scenes were AMAZING.

6:53 *Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness:* Say no more fam

I feel part of the message this film sends about being so tird to Iron Man is that, even though he's dead, his legacy lives on. Or as a certain Jedi once said, "No one's ever really gone."

You lost me at the very beginning, Adrian Toomes didn't work for Tony, sure he disliked Tony for taking over with damage control but both have way different motivations, Vulture is motivated by his family not by his hatred for Tony, Mysterio however is motivated by his hatred for Tony Stark

Mysterio was done really well so idk my guys, i dont know how mysterio could have been done better.

How was Spider man able to take control of the glasses at the end without Dude transferring control to Peter like they did earlier in the movie?

Well earth based station was SHIELD. Fury is out there creating the next phase of protection baby! SWORD!!!!

OH MY GOD, OJ is Spiderman?! I thought I was prepared for anything...but I could never have been prepared for that.

Did anyone notice the MK 1 Spider Armor suit when Peter was making his new suit

the twist was peter did not control the glasses in the end, they were keyed to mysterio, so it was poorly done but mysterio's death was an illusion, and when peter asked if it was real edith lied.

My only problem with the Mysterio is that I never found a clear motivation. I get that he is mad at Tony Stark, but what was he gonna do after he got the glasses, and became the so called hero he wants to be?

I vehemently disagree about Mysterio. He was PERFECT. He was exactly the way he should be and I really hope he's not actually dead.

Okay.... 3 minutes in and you already do not understand what's happening with his spider-sense. Aunt May or Peter never said he didn't have his spider-sense right now. He just doesn't fully developed it yet, which explains why Nick Fury can sneak up on him. And it's great growth of character that now he is able to fully utilize it after fighting Mysterio's illusions. This is an amazing plot point, in my opinion, and I'm sorry to say, you're an idiot for being angry at that. (edit) BTW, Jake Gyllenhaal was great as Mysterio. I loved the adaptation of the Vulture (with him being a scavenger and a suit design that's different than the Falcon) and Mysterio is on par, if not better.

3:31 sums it up the movie best “It looks really cool but it’s stupid”

Mysterio is hands down top 5 mcu villains. Jake Gyllenhaal gave an amazing performance. There was understandable motives for his character. It was a different villain also. His powers if you'd call it that weren't strength or anything like a lot of mcu villains.

Joe coming from somebody who is well informed of the Spider-Man comics I didn’t mind seeing the twist on film. It was very well done and entertaining I don’t know how else they could of done it now your point of him not having spider sense I contribute to him not wanting to be Spider-Man and being stressed out over the effects of infinity war/ endgame. Also he still doesn’t fully understand his powers in homecoming/civil war there are scenes where his spider sense is used but he doesn’t fully understand it. Now with this film he fully understands his powers and the third film will have a fully powered Spider-Man that is experienced and knows his powers. You can even look at the web swinging web shooting and flipping in this movie and it’s very well done and Spider-Man Comic book like in fact I think it’s the best since tasm 2/tasm swinging so I personally like the development of Spider-Man in this movie and is showing how he is becoming stronger and independent. I do have a big problem with the villain always being tied with iron man. I do wish the next villain is someone truly evil and just wants to kill Spider-Man because they hate Spider-Man other than just being a disgruntled person that hates iron man. This films actions scenes are great. The humor lands very well. The last fight scene is also great along with mysterio using all his powers to make him walk into train was great. So I think this film was very good as long as you don’t nitpick and just enjoy it. Jk Simmons was great and really makes u think if he gets to come back who else could return? Could they actually get tobey to return to be Spider-Man in a multiverse film? All this is hypothetical speaking of course but I would love to see a live action spider verse film with past Spider-Man’s & Spider-Man villains returning

I thought it was a solid 8/10. Enjoyed the hell out of it. The end credits were great too

So from my POV Beck in the film was just the figurehead. The true Mysterio was Beck's crew and I hope for Mysterio to make a comeback with those players behind the scenes manipulating perceptions and being the fully fledged Mysterio. After all they already spent so much effort steaming that cape.