Spin 167 - Drum Carder First Prototype

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Dreaming Robots

Dreaming Robots

7 ай бұрын

Help me by filling out this poll about your preferences for a drum carder. forms.gle/PnUa1ga8amQ1NDWs9

Пікірлер: 164
@jonathanberner5501
@jonathanberner5501 7 ай бұрын
So exciting! One thing I like about my Pat Green drum carder is that the bottom is mostly open, especially where the licker meets the drum. Even washed fleece drops a shocking about of dirt and debris as it goes through. Having a more open bottom allows all that to fall to the table so I can pick up the machine and clear it away. I’m not sure if that would work for you, but some way to clear the muck out of the bottom will be important
@sleepydrJ
@sleepydrJ 7 ай бұрын
Ditto- this looks like a great start and amazing price. My manual clemes&clemes was purchased as a well- maintained but rather old carder for $400. It sits on a raised set of feet to allow debris or dirt to fall through- clean fleece is still kind of dirty! I worry your handle looks a bit wimpy and might break off. Speed is not as important as ability to handle the occasionally large wad of fiber. I’m not clear on the details but mine has only one cloth. I think Clemes prioritizes stronger and sharper teeth vs different TPI choices. If you do choices, sell different drums that don’t have removable cloth. Recruit a lot of testers that do a variety of styles of carding including from fleece, not just blending top plus add-ins.
@Odontecete
@Odontecete 7 ай бұрын
My Strauch is open on the bottom too...makes a world of difference for clean up.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Since the bottom is sealled, my plan is the dirt would accumulate there. Then you'd just tip it up and the dirt would poar into the garbage. But I do think I need to do some testing. If I open up the bottom, I think I'd add a tray to catch the dirt.
@grayautumnday
@grayautumnday 6 ай бұрын
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I agree with the others - if there's an open space much deeper than the licker tray, a lot more falls out. Unless fiber is constantly brushed with a fixed packing brush... (often not ideal - I bought one for my first drum carder and ended up taking it off -- not only does it effectively prevent painting short fibers such as cashmere onto the drum for blending, but it can make batts far too compact, defeating much of the benefit of a lofty carded prep)... fiber will just pick chaff back up from the tray and reincorporate anything that does manage to fall out back into the batt. A deep open space starting no later than the edge of the licker tines (ideally just before) and extending all the way or near to all the way along the horizontal space under the main drum is a deal-breaker for me and a majority of other drum carder folx I've compared notes with online and off.
@ace0fswords068
@ace0fswords068 7 ай бұрын
This is amazing! I would be interested in a motor-free version. Also maybe a kit where we order the non 3D printable parts and print the rest ourselves
@cydnepidgeon7123
@cydnepidgeon7123 7 ай бұрын
Great idea! Since you asked... Definitely metal strips for joining the cloth, as they really need to hold up to the metal doffer. Also, the better motor; good quality is always the best option; look how many had to replace their nano motors. 90 tpi would be great, and I like the manual handle, it's handy for doffing off. Speed-wise, slower is better, it gives you more control and is gentler on the fibers, and definitely wire cloth for the likker-in. For many years you have done innovative spinning tools that were the cheapest, then followed by better upgrades, I guess expecting your followers to continually upgrade, which really defeats the purpose of low-cost tools. This time, please go for the best quality possible; it will still be cheaper than anything else on the market, and everyone will love you even more for a great quality drum carder.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
I appricate the feedback, but your view of things is a little off. First off I could easily build a drum carder that would cost over $2K so I don't think you really want best parts. You just want me to make compromises a little higher up the price range than the lower options I mentioned. Secondly your understanding of my me going with lower cost items and then going to more expensive items is wrong most of the time. I figure out how things can be done better and more often than not that actually lowers the prices. While my products have gone up in price that is largely driven by increasing component prices (especially electronics over the past 4 years and if I had not changed my products at all the prices would likely have still gone up by the same amount). Some examples of things that are less expensive, but better. When I upgraded the motor on the EEW Nano 1.1 from the EEW Nano 1.0, the 1.1 motor was less expensive (EEW Nano 2 motor is about the same price). When I improved the hooks on the EEW Nano 1.1 those again were less expensive. The circuit boards on the EEW Nano 2.0 are much less expensive and much better than the EEW Nano 1.x circuit boards. There are some parts like moving from the brushed EEW 5.2 motors to the brushless EEW 6.0 motors that were more expensive. As with many things in life, it's actually complicated. My products will get better over time, but that is mostly because I figure out better ways to do things. If I just stopped when things got good enough then I don't think I'd be pushing fiber tools forward like I do. I don't push people to buy products when they are happy with their version, but I do like releasing better products and will continue doing that. If this drum carder does well, there will likely be a new version several years after it's release with a bunch of improvements. That's just how I do things.
@cydnepidgeon7123
@cydnepidgeon7123 7 ай бұрын
I didn't mean to get your back up, really. I was just making the case that better quality, ( ie, a more powerful, quieter motor,) would be preferable to a lesser one. Higher quality is never regretted.
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
@@cydnepidgeon7123 the point is that there needs to be a compromise between cost and quality. High quality might not be regretted by those who can afford it, but going top-of-the-range means that far too many spinners are priced out of the market. The whole point of this poll is to see what is important to the userbase as a whole so he can balance the features that most people want with the price that most can afford, but the answer absolutely won't be 'best quality everything', as that would result in a $2000 carder that few people actually buy.
@grayautumnday
@grayautumnday 7 ай бұрын
@@vampyyyexactly. If I could afford a used Patrick Green/new Brother Supercard, I would. I consider DreamingRobots products absolutely the opposite of "cheap" (low quality) but LOVE that Maurice always aims for products that are *affordable* for low-income folx like myself!
@jillcostello2101
@jillcostello2101 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see a manual mini version- Some would say "well just hand-card" but so many of us have arthritis or declining hand strength, we can't card for very long at all, or spin up huge batts and then use the yarn quickly anyway: a little small less expensive version with no motor but "easy turn" would fill a need.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Maybe someday, but right now I want to focus on a single version that isn't a mini size.
@kitchencountercrafter
@kitchencountercrafter 7 ай бұрын
I'd like to have a handle that either fold down, or easily removes while using the electric function. I'll watch for more updates.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
I'm already planning to do something like that.
@plume8143
@plume8143 2 ай бұрын
That’s what I was to mention. My floor loom as a handle that I can remove and I really find it useful, so nothing can get stock or hurt by the handle when not in use.
7 ай бұрын
Definitely use extra pulleys and do not cross the drive band. I have a wooden version carder with the cross and it’s terrible to use. After an hour it starts grabbing on itself and causes the drum to slip. Manual handle is great but please make it easily detachable for the motorized use. ( don’t want it spinning around as could be a hazzard) Also clearance from bottom of handle to table top must be at least 3” otherwise users end up bashing their knuckles. I had my expensive, hand driven, wooden drum carder mounted on 3” legs to overcome this. Definitely go for brushless motor and if it’s possible to add a timer with an LED to let user know when getting close to max time so can order new motor- great. Mid range carding cloth you are using is great for most uses. Perhaps if you could post a video of it in use and in particular taking the batt off the drum - I’m concerned that the back might be too high. I often find I’m pulling the batt downward at the back to get it off more cleanly. It might be an issue cleaning the drum between color or fiber type changes. A longer version of the feed in tray could make it easier for user too. I’ve often thought I’d like more room in this area on both my other 2 carders. Love what you are doing and keep it up. In my experience your customer support has been stellar! Thank you
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
Yes everything here agree!
@candyquilt
@candyquilt 7 ай бұрын
I have arthritis so that the handle crank would be usable but the other thing you were talking about would be impossible for me to use.
@bishoppess9637
@bishoppess9637 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, the crank like the side of a sewing machine? No thanks. I have enough hand/arm problems already.
@kathleendanley8508
@kathleendanley8508 2 ай бұрын
Sorry you weren’t in Maryland, unfortunately I missed the whole show and was totally unable to help Susan M. I love your desire to make fiber arts more accessible to all! I would say stay with 72 pin cloth unless the other is found to be so much better. I would also say the better motor, I now i myself would struggle to change a motor. Electric at this approximate price point is so hard to believe. I wonder about the wear and tear on the crossed drive band. I’m so excited for the 6.1 wheel and can’t wait until i can afford one! Good luck and God Bless!!
@kps59
@kps59 7 ай бұрын
1. Love the design! 2. For me the brushed motor would be sufficient. 1000 hours is quite a lot and replacing it is pretty simple and cheap. If that drops the price I’d prefer that. 3. I’d personally prefer a 90TPI since I mostly work with fine fibers like alpaca. 4. Love the handle as an option but it would be nice if it was easy to remove if space isn’t available. Also, love the fact that the handle doesn’t stick beyond the bottom of the carder and not forces the placement at the edge of the table. 5. Adjustable speed is absolutely awesome! I wouldn’t see a big a case for adjusting the ratio, especially if it increases the price or complexity. 6. Totally agree with other commenters that the bar that attaches the cloth to the big drum should be metal. I use a porcupine quill to remove my batts but metal is just more sturdy keeping the cloth stable and safe. 7. I would be perfectly fine assembling the carder upon receipt. Maybe offer some assembled for additional cost for folks that can afford it? 8. The packer brush needs to have a mount that’s able to really put some pressure on the batt to create thicker batts. 9. Love the fact that the drive belts are open. It’s such a pain when fibers start wrapping around the axles and you can’t get to them easily like with the Baby Brother. Cleaning takes longer than carding for that one. 10. Would be awesome to have width adjustable fiber guides on the intake to allow creation of different widths of batts. 11. If possible it would be nice to have some guides to make adjustments to the gap between the two drums easier so the left side is always the same as the right. 12. Maybe make the motor an add-on to allow for minimum entry price for folks that just need a carder even if it’s manual first?
@suelamb5334
@suelamb5334 7 ай бұрын
Fabulous list! I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said!
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback. I am relying on the form for most of this so hopefully you filled that out. However, I am planning to update the handle to be removable in the next version. It was already on my todo list.
@kps59
@kps59 7 ай бұрын
@@DreamingRobotsBlogI just did. Thank you for all the great help you’ve been giving us non-pros! I would have never been able to afford an e wheel and the EEW6 literally changed my life!
@melaniegudgel1
@melaniegudgel1 7 ай бұрын
Oh Maurice! How exciting! You’re a genius! I’m looking forward to having my first drum carder!
@rjsams001
@rjsams001 7 ай бұрын
OMG--Maurice, you are always creating things I want!! I don't need another drum carder, but still...
@mindyswartz8627
@mindyswartz8627 7 ай бұрын
As someone who cards for a living, the cloth quality is more important than tpi. I've worked on 6 or 7 brands and a variety of tpi. The Clemes only comes in 72 but does finer fibers beautifully. It might be worth looking at quality of cloth vs variety of density. The strauch licker in really is the best, they're spikes vs. teeth. I worry about the plastic handle breaking. The plastic strip where you use the doffer is likely going to be destroyed quickly. One of the cheaper brands I own is fine for blending top, but when used on fleeces, even a slightly compacted tip on a lock will make it jam and throw the drive band. It's really hard to get an idea of how this will stand up to use without seeing it be used. I'm probably not the ideal market for this because I do high volume, but I still am interested in something inexpensive for sampling since my main carders are massive.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Thanks. This is some great feedback and I'm thinking about every one of these points for the next prototype. Some like the licker cloth and handle were already things I planned on updating in the next version.
@sleepydrJ
@sleepydrJ 7 ай бұрын
You used better language for all the same comments I made!! I’m not a pro and not high volume- but all your concerns apply to me- and I’m probably the exact target market for this item. I don’t have experience with other carders but I can tell that the cloth on my old/used Clemes carder is still superior to the other brands.
@rjsams001
@rjsams001 7 ай бұрын
Use the better motor. 72 is okay, don't go coarser. If someone wants to do finer fiber, they can run it more times.
@deejcarter2003
@deejcarter2003 7 ай бұрын
Running finer fiber through 72tpi several times will create nepps. I’ve tried it.
@tayloradair743
@tayloradair743 7 ай бұрын
*raptor screeching ensues* I am so excited for this
@jenniferdennis5558
@jenniferdennis5558 7 ай бұрын
This looks great! I doubt the motor needs to go that fast, but I'm assuming it can handle the resistance of uncarded fibre. I think you'd want to offer a higher TPI for the carding cloth. I'd personally want something finer for merino and fine wools. All in all, you're offering a great value for a very reasonable price point. Looking forward to seeing progress.
@brittfox9038
@brittfox9038 7 ай бұрын
I agree, slower speed but more.... torque? Some fibers can be difficult no matter how thin you apply them to the licker.
@myroslavajacklitsch6039
@myroslavajacklitsch6039 7 ай бұрын
Wow, Looking forward for this litle beauty! You are a treasure Mr.Maurice is a treasure!!!
@LisaMyEclecticLife
@LisaMyEclecticLife 7 ай бұрын
I love this, I have a manual powered one and love it, but if I use it much it makes my shoulder hurt, so I would love an affordable electric one. the $300 price point would make it where I could afford to buy it. I have never seen an electric one that I could buy. I am super excited about this.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
LOVE IT! 🎉 I have some notes… 1. I like a LOT of pressure on that brush that pushes down on the swift - so make it strip-proof, VERY stiff and able to be ratcheted down HARD. That strip is critical. Otherwise users have to do it manually (I use one of those “mushroom” shaped veggie brushes). On my strauch I have to really ratchet mine down 2. Make the main motor go quite a bit slower with a log pot like on a volume pot on a guitar so you get finer control at the slower speeds and as you ramp up - the swift drum doesn’t need to go nearly that fast (no use case) 3. 72 TPI is fine if I can only pick one, but if I can have two I’ll take 72/90 4. Idk if this would be easier/better but if it’s not TOO much more $ but if it would be easier to swap out swift DRUMS with the different cloth rather than switching out the cloth on the drum, is that maybe a better option? Or is that already what you’re proposing? 5. Magnets rule! 6. Ratios do matter depending on what kind of fiber you’re working with, but not sure if it matters enough to justify having separate motors. More important to have fine, smooth control (that log pot I mentioned earlier) and not have it go too high a speed (wasted functionality). I think the only way to know about having separate motors FOR SURE is to have experienced carders test different units (I raise Romney and Shetland sheep and volunteer for wool carding testing!) 👋 7. The drum speed is WAY WAY WAY too fast! Like 3x faster than any useful speed and maybe more. I can’t emphasize enough how much more testing this will need to get this right if you want the motor to be usable 8. Any exposed moving parts need to be easy to access, oil & clean, bc they’ll be dust- and fiber-magnets (and have covers - magnets!- if possible) 9. Consider making it 11.5" wide. I believe the Strauch 405BA is the carder to beat ($895 MSRP www.strauchfiber.com/products/carders/finest.php) 10. Finally, SO AWESOME! SO EXCITING! Can’t wait!
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
Maurice, pls forgive my overly blunt feedback 👆🏼I’m hopeless at tacting - I blame the autism. I don’t mean to be rude. I’m a huge fan! I have all your records squeeeee! 😅
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
the 'change out drums' vs 'change out cloth' is one of the options being voted on... did you see the google form linked in the description? maurice is clearly reading feedback here too, but voting in the form likely helps keep it all in one place. (fwiw I think your feedback was useful and not at all tactless)
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
@@vampyyyI didn’t see the form, no! Thanks for lmk! I’ll go find it! Thank you for your kind words ❤
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
@@vampyyyfound it! Added my notes to the form - thank you so much! 🎉
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback. I don't understand #1. Are you referring to the nylon brush that pushes fiber into the swift? It would be held in place with thum screws or something like that. However the brissles I'm using wouldn't bet that strong so I'm not expecting this to push really hard. I haven't seen any carders that do that and think you might be overpacking the drum if you're doing something like that. Maybe I'm miss understanding though so feel free to educate me here.
@JaneConnorEmbellisher
@JaneConnorEmbellisher 7 ай бұрын
As a newby to processing fibre, I would like a combination electric/manual drum carder. I would probably start out manually cranking to get the feel for the process then work into the electric setting. I have the EEW 6 and the motor is great and it would simplify your inventory and our ordering. I would like an initial drum and optional drums with different cloths available. Switching our the drum would be easier and quicker than switching out the cloth. I definitely think a metal strip where the batt is released would be best.
@partyfiesta1557
@partyfiesta1557 7 ай бұрын
The ratios don’t matter to me but the motor surely does! As for the TPI I’d love it to be higher than 72. The 300 bucks price point is amazing. Especially for a motorized drum carder. I only own a narrow drum carder but I’d purchase yours in a heartbeat. Loving the multicolored parts. Unassembled would be just fine! I’d use the electric more often than the manual. I love unexposed pulleys so there’s no fiber trapped in the machine
@kps59
@kps59 7 ай бұрын
I can only fully agree on all of this! How exciting!
@DebraKeberle
@DebraKeberle 7 ай бұрын
Love the idea of handle or motor. Also I would not want to change the carding cloth, better to have the option to order second drum. Open bottom for easy clean up as mention earlier is important to me. Great work Maurice!
@randomchannel-k7g
@randomchannel-k7g 2 ай бұрын
This is so exciting! I'd love a drum carder but can't justify the price of most on the market for my hobby operations.
@leciashronce6483
@leciashronce6483 2 ай бұрын
Yea please!!!! This is a fantastic addition to your product line. I am local in Massachusetts and LOVE to Beta test a model for you!
@lgassin
@lgassin 5 ай бұрын
I am SO excited about this! I especially love that it will likely be both electric and manual, and that there will be options for changing the TPI of the cloth.
@scmarinemom24
@scmarinemom24 7 ай бұрын
I'm so excited for this to come out!
@dawanariley4183
@dawanariley4183 7 ай бұрын
The plastic peace hold the carding cloth will break due to using Doppler stick to take fiber off I have a classic and they use wood and it cracks. (Need steal or aluminum) Best person to talk to Susan at Susan fiber shop. She knows what we need in a carder
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
I will switch to metal if it's needed, but the plastic there is pretty strong. It goes all the way to the center of the drum and I plan to use reinforced glass nylon. If I need to do a metal strip I will, but testing will help. I have already talked to Susan about this some and will be talking more when I have a prototype worth her testing.
@Cumbriman
@Cumbriman 7 ай бұрын
Im so excited for this to come out. Drum carders are another one of those pieces of equipment that seem to have an unjustifiably extortionate price tag for what they actually consist of. An ashford electric carder here in the UK costs around £2400 which is around $3000, I could get a decent second hand car for that lol
@jewelsbyjudith7970
@jewelsbyjudith7970 7 ай бұрын
Awesome. A drum carder now. I love your inventions and the way you consider the needs and opinions of those who will be using the wonderful items you create.
@kkrenken895
@kkrenken895 19 күн бұрын
Looks amazing!
@Sonika377
@Sonika377 20 күн бұрын
❤ great project ....love it !
@lespelotesderika
@lespelotesderika 7 ай бұрын
Your carder is incredible! The things that I can answer is that I would like a 90 TPI cloth. I would use it most with the motor and the current motor is ok, and unassembled would be fine. 😊
@SpringTheFiberEnthusiast
@SpringTheFiberEnthusiast 7 ай бұрын
I love the set up as is !
@jackireed-perry453
@jackireed-perry453 9 күн бұрын
WHAAAAAT!? I have been looking for a used one but never mind. THIS!
@sadiesstudio9329
@sadiesstudio9329 6 ай бұрын
Love the idea. I’m new to spinning and finding hand carding painful on arthritic hands would love a carder. I need both hand crank and motor which doesn’t need to be so fast. Being able to change from 72 to higher number is a great idea. I look forward to your final carder. Gail
@erinbalella5250
@erinbalella5250 7 ай бұрын
So exited! I can’t wait for this product. I will absolutely purchase one.
@peterivkovich2314
@peterivkovich2314 7 ай бұрын
from Gerry - If I had my druthers, I would want a larger width because the large ones are so expensive.
@Quilteremily
@Quilteremily 7 ай бұрын
same. I like making big batts
@siarlpotatoshoe
@siarlpotatoshoe 7 ай бұрын
i am so excited about this idea!
@MsSusanB
@MsSusanB 7 ай бұрын
I would buy this with the current motor 😀
@CatFiberChaos
@CatFiberChaos 7 ай бұрын
So excited!!!!!
@julieknitsandspins
@julieknitsandspins 7 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏 yay!!!!! Love it!!! I’m in ✅✅✅
@kirstyjuniper5328
@kirstyjuniper5328 7 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness!! I need this so bad. Please please please make it available to the UK. I have the EEW6 and I’ve been wanting a carder for ages
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
It will be available to the UK! Maurice ships here from his store in the US, and the Threshing Barn also stock his products, I'm sure they will be happy to stock this if there is enough interest.
@blairart
@blairart Ай бұрын
Good job I loves experiment with drum carder I made with mine
@priscillathornton6356
@priscillathornton6356 7 ай бұрын
The bottom should be open so debris can drop thru.-Most carders are also open in the back so it's easier to get the carded fiber off. Fine to course carding cloth options would be great. And I like the idea of being able to change the cloth myself. The motor needs to be stronger than what's on the EEW 6. The licker-in should slide back and forth, that is, closer and farther away from the drum to handle different types of wool. The carder doesn't need to turn that fast, it would be dangerous in fact. Leave the handle. I've been spinning and carding wool since the '70s.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
I am going to do some testing with this. Since the bottom is completely sealed it might make it easier to dump out the dirt than to clean it up off the table. Another option on my list of things to check is a sliding drawer to catch this dirt, but that adds another piece I'd need to mold.
@priscillathornton6356
@priscillathornton6356 7 ай бұрын
The problem with a closed bottom is that the VM gets swept up by the carded wool as it is spun around the drum. cleaning the table is easier. Also the carded needs to be clamped to the table somehow, especially necessary when using the handle.
@bishoppess9637
@bishoppess9637 7 ай бұрын
@@DreamingRobotsBlog Sliding drawer and open back please. easier to clean and get stuff out of / off of.
@donnaperrin6060
@donnaperrin6060 7 ай бұрын
This is Amazing So exciting. I agree slower is better but thats my preference I'm sure there are different preferences for different folks
@kps59
@kps59 26 күн бұрын
How is it coming along? I’m waiting with bated breath for any news about this beauty. 🤩
@pockythief4253
@pockythief4253 7 ай бұрын
This is definitely something I would invest in.
@gailexline8049
@gailexline8049 7 ай бұрын
Oh my, an affordable drum carder. How exciting. I will definitely be willing to purchase this! I have never owned a DC so I cannot offer feedback other than 72 TPI sounds good but a lot of peeps like 90. Looking forward to it's release.
@user-jw8mc3jf7j
@user-jw8mc3jf7j 7 ай бұрын
Well, I would have to see it actually in use to evaluate it properly. To me, there's a reason they are made of wood and metal, and you should be able to clamp it down if using the handle. I don't think that handle would hold up at all. Crossed bands tend to slip. Use the better motors, and 72 cloth is fine. Need a metal strip where you use the differ. Again, try fleece on it and that will tell you a lot. Love my Nanos and winder!
@runtsgal
@runtsgal 7 ай бұрын
Hi. It looks great and the price sounds amazing. I would rather have the longer lasting brushless motor. I like the handle as a back up. 2 ratios would be a nice option. A way to clamp the side to a table would also be appreciated as I often make rolags and a carder lifting up while I draft is not fun. One last thing, you were holding the packer brush at the back but will it be possible to have it easily fixed in place while in use and removable when done? I wouldn’t like to have to reach across the drums to hold it while feeding fibre into the front. Oh and I’m fine with the 72tpi cloth as I already have a manual with a fine cloth and would like something capable of handling locks of other fleeces like Jacob and suffolk (slightly coarser).
@robkasey
@robkasey Ай бұрын
I agree that I would love a carder with the option to buy different TPI drums. I have a giant electric with 120 TPI thay I got for processing alpaca, but that’s about all it does well so it sits idle the majority of times.
@theolivesparrow
@theolivesparrow 7 ай бұрын
I would be very concerned about a plastic handle breaking off -- plastic dries out over time and becomes more brittle. I think a tiny drum carder for needle felters to mix colours is something the market needs -- for any big drum carder, I would choose wood and metal over plastic. (I love all your order products) -- also it's possible to get used and even new wooden drum carders for around US$345 -- so it would have to be cheaper than that.
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
but this will be motorised. it's not possible to get any motorised carder anywhere near that cheaply
@seanhorton3811
@seanhorton3811 7 ай бұрын
The crossing of the belt to change rotation direction will cause friction and heat in the belt. If the rotational speed is kept low enough and the material of the belt can handle that heat, the KISS design is a workable idea. Have seen it attempted for other applications and unfortunately, belt slippage and/or eventual premature failure was the result. If the belts are cheap enough and easy to replace, they could be considered “consumables” to keep purchase price cost down. As you mentioned, idler pulleys to change rotation is one fix, just make sure you have a means to tension the belt as the belt can stretch with use. Twin adjustable motors gives maximum flexibility of drum speeds but at increased cost.
@MattVelic
@MattVelic 7 ай бұрын
I have never carded fiber before, but for the handle, have you thought about one that can be popped on and off as an option? Removable for storage and when relying on the motor, but the option to quickly attach if/when needing to crank?
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Yes, that is something I plan to do in the next version.
@Cumbriman
@Cumbriman 7 ай бұрын
That's what I was thinking too
@bie_fh
@bie_fh 6 ай бұрын
it looks great! i definetly think that the more expensive motor is worth it, and i think that having it as a combination electric and manual carder might be good so people have options, just maybe make the handle detatchable if it isnt allready! also, i dont know i dont know if you thought about it when designing the drums or not, but its really good that they dont have any high walls etc. next to them, as it makes them way easier to clean!
@pixgeekphotography
@pixgeekphotography 7 ай бұрын
I would love to see a brush or something too to help it out.. something like 90 tooth… is there a way to have a swapabke drum one with a 72 tooth too? Def do the pulleys!!!!! I am so excited for these developemnts
@grayautumnday
@grayautumnday 7 ай бұрын
The strauch "sawblade" licker-ins were INCREDIBLY effective for a wide range of cloths. The death of Mike at Heavenly Handspinning, who I think licensed the design from Otto Strauch, was a huge loss to the progress of fiber art tools.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
YES THAT LIKKER! This is the one I’m talking about, Maurice! Those teeth are the secret sauce that makes the strauch carders so amazing! They’re 🔑
@TheFrostman100
@TheFrostman100 7 ай бұрын
This is awesome. Similar to others I wouldn't mind seeing what a motorless version would cost. Could you maybe change the hand crank/gears to increase the rotation speed when being hand cranked? Im looking forward to update videos!
@Odontecete
@Odontecete 7 ай бұрын
ratios don't matter to me either. Poll completed and this is exciting!
@juliaredman8379
@juliaredman8379 7 ай бұрын
Very excited to see you're designing a drum carder!! To be honest this is the first time I am hearing that adjusting ratios of the drum speeds, or distance between drums, can have a significant effect. Can you go into that a bit more in a future video? I'm fascinated in the idea, though, because I work with a large range of fibers and depending on what you have to say about this for efficiency or quality of results, I'd probably be inclined to go toward fully electronic controls of independent speeds. Use of the large wheel to turn on an electric, like a sewing machine, sounds like a good idea, more safe than a crank flying along to catch on things. Carding cloth might be a thing to pick one or two like you said to start, and expand later if there is enough interest. My carder (Strauch Petite) has what looks like little blades on the licker-in drum, and a fine cloth. I can do a variety of things with it, though nothing even vaguely textured. Also if the fiber isn't fully teased or is otherwise the least bit resistant to coming apart, it will get hung up between the two drums, making having the unit clamped to the table, or held down with the hand, important, as well as cranking a challenge. I don't know how much a factor that is with other kinds of drum carders but no matter how well I prep my fiber this is a common problem with the one I have and it drives me nuts.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
It is not something I actually have experience with, but I'm getting help from many different carding experts and this is something that came up many times. If it's a feature that I include, then I'd be sure to go into depth explaining the benefits. The short version is for basic carding there isn't much benfit, but when blending fibers having different ratios can help you reduce the passes you need to do.
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
Being able to change the ratio means you can get efficient carding without breakage. Want an art batt without too much blending? go for a low ratio. Want a really smooth batt with lots of blending? a higher ratio will mean you can do it in 2-3 passes rather than 5-6. Carding something really coarse and want it done quickly? no problem! Carding merino or something superfine and want to avoid nepps? You can do that too!
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
What @vampyyy said!
@bettinabluhm6132
@bettinabluhm6132 7 ай бұрын
Hey Marice, you're a genius. I am absolutely thrilled with your equipment. I've been spinning with the EEW 6 for years and am always happy with it. I come from Germany and would love to test the carder for you and give you suggestions for improvement if there are any. I would be very happy about our cooperation. Kind regards, Bettina
@annesullivan5771
@annesullivan5771 7 ай бұрын
I would love one. I would like one no motor, but be able to buy and add one later,
@nancymahala6754
@nancymahala6754 7 ай бұрын
I love the idea of having options on the different drums with different tpi. I have 2 hand crank carders and I love the Louet jr. it is a narrow carder with the gears or pulleys enclosed so fiber does not fall into it. Of course it would be easier to change out the drum if you have access to removing the pulley. I like the idea of a longer lasting motor. Having the option to card merino without causing neps is very exciting.
@suzanneosio7596
@suzanneosio7596 7 ай бұрын
Need to be able to clamp onto a table so it doesn’t move around. Lower back on the large drum.
@samheasmanwhite
@samheasmanwhite 7 ай бұрын
The motor speed reduction could be done most cheaply with just another belt drive stage, and if you have to add more wheels anyway then you might as well give it two reductions, since electronic speed variation isn't great at the low end unless you get a rather good controller. It would be nice to offer an option for more speeds on the licker too, you might be able to get away with only adding more pulleys to the swift rather than the licker which would save print volume. This might not be practical since I haven't personally done carding but a neat idea could be to have some sort of clutch that disengages the handle from the swift and allows you to turn the licker by hand while the swift is driven by the motor, allowing a more controlled feed while still being motorised. A one-way ratchet/clutch thing would work too.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Drive reduction options is something I already plan to look at for the next version. The licker being disengaged from the swift is probably best done by having two motors and then you could control each seperately. I think any mechanical clutch would be much more effort and possibly more expensive. Thanks for the great feedback.
@samheasmanwhite
@samheasmanwhite 7 ай бұрын
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I was thinking of something like just pulling the handle out into a second position. If you do use a second motor maybe having it loose enough that it can be stopped by hand would be nice, even if it's just by grabbing the pulley. In other powered feed mechanisms I much prefer controlling it directly by hand with a brake or clutch, rather than by a speed regulator knob.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
I’ve seen the different cloth you’re talking about for the licker cloth - one of my carders (Strauch) has that and I do think it’s superior and heavier duty as well - the tines are thicker - on mine they’re a very narrow pyramid shape and straight up and down. More like nails
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Yes, that is what I was trying to describe. Thanks for the feedback.
@elizabethabrunetta1539
@elizabethabrunetta1539 7 ай бұрын
Speed, I like the variable speed. I do art batts a lot, with finer materials, so I tend to work at a slower speed. I also prep the fibre going into the carder, so I try not to cause too much resistance, but I get the production need for a strong motor. For the drum cloth, I'd prefer preassembled drums I can switch out on the fly, I would be using it away from my working space a lot. Also, on a separate note, I like that when the handle hangs down, it doesn't get in the way of the seam, which I use to remove the fibre from the drum, with a doffer. I often see a metal plate there, with a sort of channel on the top, maybe a solution like that? It could join the fibres together securely, AND provide a place to slide the doffer along to remove the batt from the drum.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
AGREE!!!
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
there is a metal plate in the doffing gap already, as shown in the video, or did you specifically mean to add a groove to the plate in the doffing gap? In which case, yes, I agree, something to guide your doffer and stop it jumping off the metal is a great idea.
@SeriousFiber
@SeriousFiber 7 ай бұрын
Speed definitely needs to be variable
@elizabethabrunetta1539
@elizabethabrunetta1539 7 ай бұрын
@@vampyyy yes, a groove in the plate, to guide your doffer. I rent a lot of this stuff from guilds, so I've seen a lot of both commercial and handmade drum carders. the doffer guide is a nice touch.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Great suggestions. I'll add a groove for the doffer.
@erikagreenwell9892
@erikagreenwell9892 Ай бұрын
i know this is an older video. i'm super super interested in this!!!! do you have a kickstarter campaign? i got the 6.1 and i'm in love. did what i wanted. furthered my business. now i need a drum carder... my wrists are tired:)
@carlotapelotas7877
@carlotapelotas7877 7 ай бұрын
I WANT ONE
@howlingwind1937
@howlingwind1937 7 ай бұрын
72tpi is the standard size for carders, if course uf youre doing finer fibre youd want the carding clith to match. So maybe having one other size if carding clith as an option would be good, then theres a choice of the standard or the fine. It'd be good to see how it operates under stress with some fibre going through it over all though its a really good price as most carders are iver a $1000 and then the shipping in top which is hugely expensive getting things sent from the USA to Australia. Its very exciting though, ill be watching the progress of this carder. Cheers!
@suelamb5334
@suelamb5334 7 ай бұрын
KPS59 just listed everything that I would say!
@liviaprisca_
@liviaprisca_ 7 ай бұрын
I'm very excited about this! I'd prefer the current motor. I'd be olay with it being disassembled and would use it more motorized. I'd love a 90 tpi cloth as well as the 72.
@margolehman5482
@margolehman5482 7 ай бұрын
What are the dimensions of the swift, both width and circumference? In other words, how large of a batt can you get off of it in inches?
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
It's about 8 inches by 22 inches
@kimtinky642
@kimtinky642 7 ай бұрын
Hello. For me, keep the motor as you have now, 10k hours I think you said. I like the 72pti cloth on both drum and licker too. When the motor is on, can you take the handle off ? The finishing brush at the top of the big drum, is there a way to screw It on so that you can flip it backwards and forwards for when you use it or not. I use my finishing brush all the time on my current hand turned drum carder, just lift it off for removing the batt, if there is a way to flip it backwards and forwards that would be great. Great product to come
@grayautumnday
@grayautumnday 7 ай бұрын
If you made it so the cloth tucked down into radial-parallel slots and had rectangular u-clips shaped like unbent staples (or barbed clips like those used to hold ace-wrap bandages) that crossed over the two folded "cloth" ends to hold them tight, that would better tension the cloth but also allow change in cloth. Or manufacture cloth "belts" that slide on/off the drum with clips that fold over and clamp onto the cloth belt edges and sell the belts already assembled.
@jdieselette
@jdieselette 7 ай бұрын
90dpi is much harder to find so definitely have that as one option
@nickolena
@nickolena 7 ай бұрын
😅 price keeping the cost down is important but i really like the two separate motors options thats very good brushless motor important , i like a corse cloth 46 tpi yes. buying separate drums to switch out. electric motor definitely , i love the strong motor on the duncan drum carder i have doubts that your motor will be strong enough for carding add ins like in art yarn batts
@leigholson9480
@leigholson9480 7 ай бұрын
I have a high tpi xl carder and wished I would have kept my 72 carder. My Clem's has a cross over belt and I have no problems with it except it's a very narrow one. I would love to have the ability to do manual or motor. Your best bet would be to get a couple to people who use a drum carder ,and give you real world pros and cons. Best of luck and yes keeping your price point lower will appeal to a wider customer base. 1000.00 for a carder is not attainable for most.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
Note the speed you were hand-turning was as fast as it would ever need to go (if the speed is more about torque/power that’s another story ofc), else you’ll tear the fibers. (Speed just isn’t the big helper here)
@deejcarter2003
@deejcarter2003 5 ай бұрын
Have you thought of having a cloth with longer teeth which will allow you to put more fiber on the carder.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 5 ай бұрын
This adds stress to the drum carder and reduces bat quality when you go past a point so as with most things there are tradeoffs. I am trying to go with a reasonable middle ground.
@nerfninja6
@nerfninja6 7 ай бұрын
As for the motor decision I'm of the opinion that it's always better to use a more durable option. It's a lot better for the environment and I'd rather spend a little more up front and have a longer-lasting item. saves money over time
@hollystone8240
@hollystone8240 7 ай бұрын
The drum carder looks awesome. I'd prefer to have a more easily adjustable (no tools needed) licker. I agree with the idea of ease of cleaning because it does generate a lot of debris underneath the drum. I don't know that I'd need different ratios of speed between the two drums and I also probably wouldn't want to change the carding cloth in between fibers. I like the idea of the more durable motor and would be willing to pay for it. I'm not sure I like the handle spinning around like that, could whack something. So maybe a round wheel to turn it would be OK. Or a way to remove it if not needed. But it would be good to be able to make small adjustments by hand so maybe the round wheel would work well. Lots of good ideas. It's an awesome item. Also, not sure it matters to me about the belt configuration. More durability is nice but they are easy to replace. So just the most effective configuration is good.
@lindavanbuskirk1346
@lindavanbuskirk1346 7 ай бұрын
I would prefer the motor over manual since i have carpal tunnel.
@BoomerKnows
@BoomerKnows 7 ай бұрын
I'll try and read more comments later. I've got a mini drum carder and eew6.0 and no experience with electric drum carder. For me a durable motor, easily accessable replacement parts, easy cleaning, durable, and abuseable for all sorts of users from beginners to advanced with multi purpose carding possible, even the option to get 72tpi and 90tpi and 120tpi for purchase points rather than ratios? The TPI is more important to fibre preparation than drum ratios?
@MotoMarta
@MotoMarta 7 ай бұрын
Do you have a rough idea of when this could possibly be available to buy?
@FireRoadFriends-mc2fb
@FireRoadFriends-mc2fb 7 ай бұрын
Sorry, I don't have that yet. It just isnt' far enough along.
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
I posted this on the form, but thought I'd add it here so others can see what I've said and agree/disagree in their replies: I love the removable feed tray. I'd also like a tray underneath to catch all the dust and other junk that falls out when you make batts rather than it getting all over the table! I prefer the handle you have there to some sort of round thing to turn for manual use, but I'd like it to be removable so you just shove it in when you're going to use it; having a handle turning at high speed with the motor seems dangerous. The speed you were running it at in the video is wayyyy too fast, but even so, I'd not want to be hit with the handle even at regular carding speed. For licker in cloth, i love the stuff on my Strauch, fibre almost never gets caught in it compared to carders with regular cloth there, I think I've sent you pics before, but if you want more, let me know. Your licker in also looks bigger than most I've seen, I'm not sure if there are any advantages of it having such a large diameter. Regarding drive, I don't care about a cross in the belt, but I very much care about different ratios, and given the difference between fixed ratios and completely adjustable is only $30, I'd prefer the latter. I would love there to be a cover over the drive belt so you can put it on the table and not have to worry about fibre accidentally getting trapped in the belts. For cloth I think a 15 minute changeover each time is too much to do on a regular basis, so I think entire different drums are the best option, but if they are able to be flat packed to save shipping space that would be a perfect compromise. The back seems to come up very high, is there a reason for this? My instinctive reaction is that more of the drum should be visible, but I'm not actually sure why, maybe if a fibre snags you have more space to deal with it if you can see more of the drum, but I don't actually think it makes much difference really, it's likely just that every other carder I've used is much more open at the back.
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
Great Feeback. For the extra tray, to catch fiber before it hits the table, I assume that is just something you'd add yourself and not something you want from me, or am I misunderstanding what you want? The higher back was put in for two reasons. If I want to do the helper pulleys to avoid the crossing of a drive belt (assuming only a single motor) then the back needs to be high. Also this was how I thought it would be best to attach the packer brush, but now that I've got this prototype I think I see a better way. If we don't need those helper pulleys I will bring the back down some because it will help me reduce the mold cost significantly. Seeing how things work out is why it's important to plan multiple prototypes.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
I have the strauch too and fully agree. One of the many things I love about mine.
@OvisAriesFarm
@OvisAriesFarm 7 ай бұрын
FWIW our strauchs have 5:1 swift:licker drum ratio, if that’s helpful
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
@@DreamingRobotsBlog I thought I replied but maybe i forgot to press the button? If I replied already, sorry! Ideally I'd like an extra tray built in so all the bits are caught until I remove it and dispose of them, it's not the end of the world to have to sweep the table after a carding session, but a tray would just keep things tidier. The only carder I'm aware of with one is the clemes and clemes elite crankless, if you look at a photo of it from the back you'll see a cutout for a handhold to pull a drawer out, which is where the bits get caught.
@vampyyy
@vampyyy 7 ай бұрын
@@OvisAriesFarm if you have to have a single ratio, then 5-6:1 is a good one. I'd really like to see multiples though for versatility, I use my carder for raw fleece (generally medium to as-fine-as-it-can-handle), blending ready-prepped fibres for beautiful smooth batts, and also for lumpy art batts, so being able to adjust the ratio to save myself needing to to extra passes in some cases, and to not damage the fibre in other cases, would be fantastic and make this carder more versatile than my current one.
@brittfox9038
@brittfox9038 7 ай бұрын
These are just my experiences and opinions... Simple is best. Being able to change ratios is interesting but I personally would never use it. A longer life motor would be preferred but then again, 1000 hours is actually a whole lot of carding. I've had my Classic Carder for 3 years and I am positive I've come no where neat that much use and I've even taken it to guild meetings. I wouldn't allow the motor to go too fast. If you go fast you get this weird shape to the grab on the fibers. They create loops that are then a pain to spin. I would want a handle, just for ease of use, to pull rolags off, etc... but maybe something that could be easily removed with one screw for people who don't want it. For me 72 TPI is the lowest I would go. Any coarser fiber I would prefer hand carders, 72 is a nice middle point. I wouldn't mind a higher TPI as a 2nd option, especially since the drum is switched easily instead of the cloth my Classic Carder can do this with out too much trouble. The cloth that's on this one looks like the kind I prefer. My main concern is the "plastic" gears might wear out quicker and need replacement so having that as an option would make a huge difference. Having to assemble and gap the carder isn't a problem so shipping in pieces is fine. Even though I have the largest Classic Carder I would totally buy this one because of it's portability.
@kristalburns3490
@kristalburns3490 7 ай бұрын
Have you run fiber through your prototype yet?
@DreamingRobotsBlog
@DreamingRobotsBlog 7 ай бұрын
No. I'm working on fixing a few things and doing another update before that.
@user-hw9hc1zc7x
@user-hw9hc1zc7x 7 ай бұрын
please please please use recycled plastic if you don't already.x.
@SuperMsUgly
@SuperMsUgly 3 ай бұрын
will you be selling this drumcarder stl ?
7 ай бұрын
Definitely use extra pulleys and do not cross the drive band. I have a wooden version carder with the cross and it’s terrible to use. After an hour it starts grabbing on itself and causes the drum to slip. Manual handle is great but please make it easily detachable for the motorized use. ( don’t want it spinning around as could be a hazzard) Also clearance from bottom of handle to table top must be at least 3” otherwise users end up bashing their knuckles. I had my expensive, hand driven, wooden drum carder mounted on 3” legs to overcome this. Definitely go for brushless motor and if it’s possible to add a timer with an LED to let user know when getting close to max time so can order new motor- great. Mid range carding cloth you are using is great for most uses. Perhaps if you could post a video of it in use and in particular taking the batt off the drum - I’m concerned that the back might be too high. I often find I’m pulling the batt downward at the back to get it off more cleanly. It might be an issue cleaning the drum between color or fiber type changes. A longer version of the feed in tray could make it easier for user too. I’ve often thought I’d like more room in this area on both my other 2 carders. Love what you are doing and keep it up. In my experience your customer support has been stellar! Thank you
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