FDNY? what mutual aide unit did the FDNY send? their Fire Marshalls?

@@jlover911 MERV Unit responded

Little late for that..

@@schmegle1 Good observations

@@schmegle1 He is deemed still missing just a little FYI

@@Kilrinstinct1 They Recovered his body just after midnight

@@schmegle1 No it isn’t...we pray for the repose of his soul.

As for point 2, I believe it was, it just didn't sound like it because of the way the recording was made (multiple channels recorded) And you have to note that command was very calm and not freaking out, goes to his training. As for point 3, I would have to agree, perhaps they do not have run cards with alarm levels in Rockland, I know they do in Orange county. What Im wondering is, and Im going by my experiences in CT where 5 out of the 8 counties have essentially county fire dispatch. Does Rockland have Tanker Task Forces? If this was CT, and I heard that what we were getting for water was all the water company could give you, In CT you call for a tanker task force, and 5 tankers are on the way, need more, call for a additional tanker task force, and dispatch has 10 alarms worth of apparatus to call upon, or a strike team of 5 engines and a chief. Does dept in Rockland have apparatus with LDH capability? In CT every county has at least 1 LDH truck that can lay a mile and change of 5" hose if water gets tight. I would also like to point out, that as the severity of the fire became known, pretty sure every department in Rockland was manned up, whether toned out or not, and when departments were called, they were on the air with crews pretty damn quick, or it seemed like it. As for refueling/DPF fluid replenishing, that would be planned for at the county level, since they have fore coordinators, and perhaps this was never thought of. You should never hear, we don't have a account. One last thing about dispatch, people want to compare to FDNY, before 9-11, dispatch run cards only went to 5 alarms, now they go to 10 alarms, so you never have to hear Brooklyn fire dispatch tell a battalion chief, I owe you 8 engines. What they did, and how they did it worked for them, and they did a great job, RIP to the fallen fire fighter

@@djroberts5249 , WOW How do they not have a tanker task force is unbelievable 🤷

These audio's are edited so what you hear isn't the actual time frame ontop of other channels being used. Other audio's I've heard on this job most definitely has the ICS being used. It's always easier to critique an incident After the fact but it's what we learn from.

@@kristofersmith5476 now this chief had his shit together

@@kristofersmith5476 This area of Rockland County normally doesn’t need tankers. Also, despite multiple engines being called tankers, like 17-Tanker, there’s really only one proper tanker in the county. The others are called “tanker” because they carry enough water to be considered engine-tankers. Rockland County uses a very unique numbering system. Signal 12 Wiki has a rundown of what the designations mean, but generally, if you see something like 17-1750 or 17-1000, that’s an engine, and the second number is the pump size in GPM. 17-Tower would be a tower ladder. 10-98 and 10-99 are both 100-foot ladders, with the second number representing ladder length.

It wasn't the initial report from the first officer, it was the report upon dispatch from the initial caller

Just goes to show you....how many times have we all heard that kind of dispatch and then say "Odor of smoke...another BS call". In this case it wasn't.

@@efd316smokin4 The worker must have just got on and it wasn't their patient.

Where can you find the full audio

the radio transmissions are not in real time its just stream of all radio transmissions

Yes. Without listening to the whole thing yet, I can't tell if they have both audios. All fire ground operations are on their tac (high band as it's commonly referred to in county) channel

Answer is yes we do have tac channels mainly to talk to each other and 700

Yes they do. There is another video out there of traffic on the tac channels. This video mainly covers communications with dispatch, but also covers multiple channels.

Yes there are several Tac channels that are used. This video only has the dispatch and fire 1 channel from what I can tell

Trust me not as bad when we use it, when I first joined bit difficult to understand but I was able to understand it right away

Please know this is a question for learning.

@@jeffdillon8816 Fire Coordinator is usually a County Level Position.

@@sully0808 Thank you. That definitely sounds like a good idea. I’m sure from the sounds of it, or hoping, those departments train together often also. But hearing Control hitting different tones for different departments coming in, I see it makes sense to get someone or some people who know all the departments and resources on scene.

Rockland County is all volunteer departments- 26 of them. The Coordinators work for Rockland County Department of Fire & Emergency Services, and respond in particular to incidents involving multiple agencies and/or departments. Unlike battalion chiefs, etc., while they are part of the command staff as incident management goes, the Chief of the fire district is normally the incident commander. Coordinators assist with operations on scene, help with mutual aid assignments, help to coordinate and call up additional resources, and the like. According to New York State Law, the fire chief is ultimately responsible for command of the incident, and can delegate tasks and assignments as appropriate, including the use of coordinators and the chiefs and officers of mutual aid departments.

@@MichaelSheehy75 Thank you. Your reply definitely helped clear up things and also added a few more good points.

No you didn’t miss much. Just the fact that there were tons of people trapped and it’s a completely volunteer dept so there’s a delay in literally everything being done. Maybe rock land will consider a paid fire service after this catastrophe.

@@DWBmotorsports You have got to be kidding with this comment right? You think everywhere has the ability and the money to have a paid department? This department and the surrounding departments did a fantastic job with what they were faced with. A Firefighter was killed along with a resident of the building, you are part of that group who constantly think just because its a volunteer department that things aren't done correctly. The Nearest company was 3 minutes away and this fire was already long out of control by the time patrol pulled up. The Volunteers had a great response time, so maybe instead of bashing them for being volunteer you go join a department and see what its actually like. In Fact 67% of departments in the US are Volunteers! I wonder what you would have done differently here?

@@tylerk448 .......FYI........Spring Valley Dept. 17 does more running and does more structural work than some FDNY companies ! This is a very busy fire company !!!! God Bless all these dedicated volunteers !

@@brianmckeever6536 Yes I know which is why I said they did an absolutely fantastic job with what they were faced with on the initial arrival! Prayers to FF Lloyd who lost his life courageously rescuing trapped residents!

@@tylerk448 Rockland County has some of the best volleys in NYS!

Hi Wayne, sorry about that. Not sure why it's repeating but I'm working with KZfaq to trim that portion out.

before you go Monday morning quarterbacking let me tell you this the fast team was there the fast team made entry and the fast team was pulled out seconds literally seconds before collapse so if you think that they didn't try that they weren't there you're rudely mistaken

Not going in is NOT an option when rescues are in play.

@@leatherguy6798 right lets let our RIT into a structure that’s going to collapse and kill them

Everyone was the Fast team. It was all hands on deck.

Just wondering have you ever had a issue at a fire where someone went down? Majority of the time the guys inside are pulling the down FF out not the fast team.

You’re an idiot. This is what we do. He died saving lives you clown. Shut up you ignorant fool.

If we didnt there would of been plenty of more dead. And oh they were old can’t get out fast and some of them bed ridden. And the place was over a 100 years old with no renovations with a known water problem at that location. And the alarm system was on test mode. Could you sleep at night knowing you let people die without trying? Then it would of been 20 or more dead.

@@heavy7799 when u have a building fully involved with fire blowing thru every door and window u don’t enter the building.

@@noahsheftel4197 ...it’s ok that you are ignorant and don’t know any details of this incident. You also must not be a FF. I mean clearly you aren’t. You may be a member of an FD but I doubt you’ve ever crawled down a hallway. All I will say is I was there and know many details. Like the one were they save countless lives and the fact that Jared dies a hero...but because you are a bitter loser who would never enter an IDLH you must make yourself feel better by making a stupid comment. You are the definition of an armchair ff.

@@noahsheftel4197 it’s what that department does, others may not but that’s how they operate