That was nice seeing Rick at the end. Hopefully everyone is doing well. Seeing that clip I really missed Prisoners of Gravity. I'd love to hear what the actual authors think about all this. DC Fontana would be having a fit, I'm sure.

BELTALOWDA! Bossmang Chato, 'im da truthtella!

If Discovery wanted to be bold, they would do one of the following: Tell a good story or Write good characters. But well, every corporation needs tax write offs I guess.

Kudos, Chato! This was a "brave and stunning" (hee hee) synopsis of the suck that is modern Trek. You're funny as hell.

Things with that crap from TOS have improved?! Seriously now?! How exactly are those good things?!

And that doesn't even make it special or unique these days.

@@Dr_Mauser Indeed. I think Batwoman might have been a little worse.

I watched the first episode or two. Stereotyped white male fleet commander showed up to the battle and I knew he was going to be dead soon. After a minute I thought they might surprise me and let him live, but he died by the stupidest thing I've seen in Trek. A Klingon spacefaring ship designed with a Roman Empire era ram.

@@sometimesfriendly9839 I made it a bit further. Episode 4 of the first season before calling it quits. But I feel you.

Lmao. Several male heroes and main characters, and it's still not enough for you. Gotta love snowflakes.

They would have to actively try first.

True, and if you know anything about the politics of the two men that wrote those books, makes STD's angle even more insidious.

@@n.l.4626 Amen. The real story they're telling is that women can do anything men can do, e.g., running a starship, as long as the men are weak and incompetent.

It's not that we don't HAVE writers who can pull it off... It's that they DELIBERATELY CHOOSE writers who will push... THE MESSAGE. Writer... submits script with strong male character... Studio exec: "You've got a strong male in here. We can't have that. He'll make the women look bad..." Writer: "But, it's *got* strong women! Exec: "Not strong enough!" Writer: "I *can't* make them any stronger! They're *already* stronger than god! Exec: "Yeah, I know." Writer: "So... how can I...?" Exec: "Easy. Make all the men pathetic stupid useless losers."

I pointed this out to the writers of the expanse, and how the Expanse wasn’t woke. They blocked me On Twitter because of this. They aren’t so good as you think.

Spot-on statement. I must remember AET! As a writer myself and an old-school, very flawed male of the human race, (which seems to be a highly endangered species), it greatly disappoints me when I look around the landscape and see nothing but hopeless drivel, endless box-punching and pushing of "The Message," and deliberate legacy franchise destruction. With extremely rare exceptions such as the inaugural season of The Expanse, I don't watch anything "modern." Not worth my time.

AET. I must remember that!! I gave you credit for it in my own comment. Thank you and as a writer myself, I wish you nothing but bona fortuna with your writings.

Well if you're a woman and don't like STD... you must have internalized institutional misogyny and must be rescued by a brave white male 🤡

More like Agenda Indoctrination Television.

@@rbu2136 Yeah, that'll work.

that's best case scenario. worst case of what they want is much much more sinister.

My William Shatner was the author Peter F Hamilton. Had lunch and brews with him for a couple of hours, just one on one albeit in the very crowded atrium at dragoncon. It was amazing for me.

@@steppahouse Glad you had that time with Mr. Hamilton, but I'm afraid my "glorious thirty seconds" with the "Shat" probably doesn't quite equal with your experience. Bless you.

@@earlsmith7428 It absolutely does if you're a Bill Shatner fan!

If you haven't yet, read every TekWar book and watch every TekWar made for tv movies. You can download them all free on KZfaq. It was GOOD though now a little dated. They could remake it today with great CGI and it would rock. They could re-make the 1995 first person shooter video game and go where no TekLord has gone before because the video game really sucked. Horrible graphics, stupid repetitive story and no functionality compared to todays giants like Skyrim, Fallout or FarCry. This game would be the TekWar we dreamed of. I know what it's like to stand in line to meet Shatner, I did it in the 80's at a Comicon in New Orleans. The TekWar universe has tons of potential, I do hope they don't let it die.

Careful - shat is the past tense of shit. 😁

I'm.dine with the forced wokeness and guurl power crap. It's always about "strong empowered" females while emasculating men. It's in every series, every episode, no matter what the show is or what it's about. I feel like our culture has dropped 30 IQ points in the last 10 years. Everything us just garbage.

issue is that one is on Netflix - which is accessible and the other is on Amazon which people have but mostly for deliveries.

I have not seen the last season but It is a good show. It told a good story that focused on the story and not a message. I did not even realize who was of what race, gender or sexuality. It did not matter. It was a good story and normalized all these things. It did not denigrate any group to make another look better.

Good show. Still think Babylon 5 did it better :-)

@@DanielWijk in your dreams.

Amen. No one seems to get that operating an insanely complex ship safely without killing anyone or accidently destroying anything takes an extremely intelligent, mature and focused team working together. It also requires a leader who knows what they are doing and is absolutely committed to the safety and well being of the crew. There is no time for feelings and voting at that fast pace. And this is just to get from point "A to point B." They must also complete their mission.

STD... a more appropriate acronym would be difficult to invent. It's so versatile... Star Trek Dysphoria (or Disorder, or Drivel) Sexually Transmitted Drivel (or Dogma, or Dysfunction, or Disgust, etc.) Streaming Terrible Drama (or Drivel, etc.) BTW... I invite everyone to add your own versions of what the acronym "means" in order to feed the alogrithm... and maybe make us laugh...

@@nyetzdyec3391 or Steaming Torrential Diarrhea.....

@Rob Ha! Same here in USA... it was just so blatant that I didn't bother to list it. LOL again over your suggestion, "Scream the Diversity"!!

I don't like discovery but I'm starting to really enjoy Picard. Especially with what now seems to be a Borg origin story.

the first 3 seasons were brilliant.. the last ones were a woke disaster.. boring.. uninspired, focused on the diverse family of Naomi and her manbun ex, and the antics of their privileged murdering mommy-boy son... dumpster fire trash i could barely finish watching.. what a waste of a show that was..

Amazon killed it unfortunately

I especially loved how an Indian Martian is in love with Cowboy culture because fuck it, in 500 years who knows what people will latch on to for identity. Edit: it's because his area of Mars was originally settled by Texans, thanks commenters

Before I watched it, I didn't realise I was Amos Barton. Or at least wanted to be. Which is kind of the whole point of storytelling, isn't it? To identify with the characters.

Yeah! Tough guy Amos admitted to wearing pumps! 🤣

I was a fan of The Walking Dead at the time, it wasn't completely dead yet at the time, just on life support. When I heard rumors that Martin-Greene was leaving to do a new Star Trek project, I was actually excited. I liked her on TWD, and I hadn't seen any good Trek in ages. Then TWD killed off Sasha in what I thought was a super lame way, and I found out the new Trek was behind a pay wall. I was not willing to pay for another streaming service, and by the time episodes came out on Prime or something else I was already paying for, I had heard how bad it was. So, like the old 7-Up commercial, "Never had it, never will".

The end of the second season battle scenes were some of the best sci-fi ever created. Pike was a bad ass.

I never bothered after season 2. I did like the new Pike though.

@@rockerboyrage1609 Same here, Pike is the only reason why I finished season 2.

@@rockerboyrage1609 Yeah, the first fwo seasons weren't bad. But season 3 was absolutely unwatchable.

I pained my way thru S4 and it was EVEN worse than S3 (if that was even possible). It's just plain dumb. In the distant future nobody will ever care what your pronouns or sexual preference is. We are all past this even now, but we have to be told how special others are because they are different. Good sci-fi and storytelling be damned, as "the message" is so much more important than telling interesting and thought provoking stories.

The Orville knows how to tell good morality tales. Best show out there next to The Expanse.

@@ScottyKirk1 Orville is "safe". It doesn't do anything risky despite it being written by Seth McFarland.

This is a good point and I'd like for our host to address it. In several different videos on this channel, he has stated that it doesn't matter if a show/movie is good, it just matters if it is successful. The point you make is that they don't care how much it costs, they are getting their Message out, which flies in the face of the successful > good axiom.

Yes and no. It still has to make money. As bad as the latest Star Wars trilogy was, it still made money so they will continue as is. If it lost money, then they would think about changing.

Sure, but without popularity "the message" doesn't spread anyways and you just end up driving people to the opposition with low quality.

Agree

They have so much money they can continue to push bad ideas, yes. They have the power to ignore reality, at least for a time.

Did anyone watch Foundation series?

What else to expect from fools that even Narcissus would admonish as being too in love with themselves?

Same thing buddy, I tried bringing up the facts about viewership numbers of Enterprise when it was cancelled versus the estimated viewership of Discovery. Discovery has never made the parent company money and its continuing renewal must be for other factors, got called misogynist by the admins and booted out

@Rob Aitken I always forget that data point. But it is funny, the one show that puts women in positions of authority that people like (Crusher, Dax, Kira, Janeway, Torres, TPal) ones people like, and we all don’t care; it’s not a hatred for women.

Please, Fraggle Rock was actually entertaining for kids; the same can not be said of Simply Terrible Dreck.

@@HenshinFanatic you got me there.

He's worth at least a dozen old bottle caps.

Sherriff pudding hockey coins.

Both those are tour da forces compared to ‘And the Children Shall Lead’ If TOS is on I’ll watch any episode, any but that one.

I just rewatched it. I must have seen too much modern stuff it was a fine episode. Hell it was freaking amazing, good balance of humour, drama and intrigue. It was fine

I liked "The way to Eden" !! Hippies in Space? I Thought the absolutely worse episode was Spocks brain. I knew, even as a teenager that the show wasn't going to survive doing junk like that.

You're just jealous of Sevrin's ears.

@@LaughingLion4Ever Maybe I am!

Critical drinker is great, and his take on why Rey and Burnam are poor characters is very insightful along with Chato's.

Nerdrotic in particular

Also Doomcock. He’s led the charge against Discovery destroying trek.

This guy is like the cool uncle I never had.

I was so scared I dropped my phone in the toilet.

Just look for bamboo, charcoal, sulfur, saltpeter, and diamonds. That critter won't stand a chance.

@@us89na - I'll keep that in mind!

Sisco never gets the respect he deserves.

@@erichooper2794 Doctor Richard Daystrom in TOS was the developer of the M-5 computer. Black computer genius in 1968. Did everyone stand around going "look, he's black?" Nope, he just was.

@@erichooper2794 And he's one of the best too. 😢

@@us89na He had that booming bass voice, too!

Nonsense. Lovecraft did it over a hundred years ago and there's plenty of great contemporary writers continuing to explore it. Douglas Adams and Liu Cixin springs to mind. Maybe you mean Star Trek hasn't progressed? Or that western civilization is stagnant?

I think it's not about progression. There's a lot of angst that people weren't allowed to express until today and it's been unleashed. Give it a couple more years before we revert back to normalcy.

theres a black straight guy in it now. and he has a cat...

@@Erlisch1337 I'm a white straight guy with a black cat who enjoyed watching that black straight guy with a cat. Now Booker is going away to pay for his crimes so he's probably out as well as the cat, both were good actors. At least he got to make out with Michael.

@L Karamazov I feel your pain. Ru Paul exists.

its awful the diversity casting and gender swapping. UGH. Look how Foundation was ruined by this nonsense.

I'm a Black female and I kind of resent the fact that you completely ignored Bryce, the very competent, Black male communications officer as well as Cleveland Booker who is very male and has (had now) what is possibly the coolest ship in Sci-Fi. (He came after you stopped watching, but he has a pet cat so probably not macho enough for you.) Your comment was disingenuous and misleading since this is not the 1960s and there was more than one Black guy on the ship.

We can move on to issues of which way the toilet paper should roll, or does the gal lower the lid before the toothbrushes (which have their home on the tank's lid) fall into the bowl.

What? Women don’t have eyes? They can’t look before sitting down?

You're wrong - the problem is the women forgetting to put the seat back UP .

@@hunchanchoc8418 You beat me to this comment.

@@icedriver2207 No problem bro ;-))

"Men aren't men"... and why is that? Is the it the fact that something around 70 percent of all African American boys and 30 percent of white boys grow up in homes missing one parent (usually the father)? Could it have anything to do with the various laws and policies that serve to either make men useless (Daddy Government) or actively 'defang' or 'defenestrate' them? What about the horrible divorce statistics in pretty much all economic demographics except the Upper Middle Class (Divorce is actually expensive and will lead to loss of living standard for BOTH if both are high earners and thus they have an actual incentive to stay married) and the fact that family laws mostly favor women and many men don't want to commit to an institution where they will be paying for their wives lover and get to see Junior every other week if mommy feels he's a 'good boy'. We've had 50 years of radical feminism, and lots of the 'conservative' right helping it along to 'protect women'. We've had the same time frame of not only women working in large numbers (thus decreasing wages) but jobs being shipped overseas thus making it much harder for a man to be a 'sole provider' even if he wants to be and is willing to take the ridiculous risks that modern family law exposes him to. You have lack of male role models. Then you have constant berating of men, starting in elementary school where they are now learning about sexual harassment before they even have sexual thoughts. Preachers and politicians CELEBRATE women, even single moms on Mothers Day. What do you hear on Fathers Day? More screeds about how bad men are and that they can never do anything right. Then you've got the workplace and deleterious impact of increasingly radicalized and empowered Human Resources departments. Despite all the time people spend at work, trying to find a mate there is now extremely hazardous. Everything is potentially offensive and abusive and the smallest 'power differential' is problematic. ALL of this is going on in the lives of your brothers, sons, and friends and you want to whine about why "Men aren't Men" anymore? Besides bitching at other men and probably beating your own chest, what the heck have you ever done to try to lift men or boys up?

"Edith keeler must die" "Mr. Spock how goes the stone knives and bearskins?" Payoffs, humor. TOS had it all.

And then the show started to detoriate once Amazon took over.

@@Spacegryphon not really, they followed the books. Some creative license was necessary here and there simply because books never transfer 100% to television or movies, but they more or less followed the story lines and plot lines of the books and did so very well.

@@Spacegryphon Couldn't continue season 4.

@@kevinkorenke3569 Three episodes in a row with nothing but Naomi heavy breathing and crying ain't what I call entertainment.

@@Spacegryphon well I'm sure there's some episodes of space 1999 you can go watch. Not every plot line is going to be equally entertaining, not every characterization is going to be as equally received. For me the overly emotional portrayals were a downside but I was able to soldier through them like a big boy and enjoy the rest of the show. Most of the highly emotional portrayals we saw in the series were injected by the studios it seems because the characters in the books were actually much more professional in those situations and were able to handle that drama within a page or so. That's really the only downside to the show that I found.

it is because is it not a lone wolf doing woke shows. It's the whole pyramid behind them. There is no counter weight or conservative views allowed in their ranks. It's pure leftist staff, which allows for far-left activist to prosper without interference

No, it hasn’t. That’s why they keep going. They are never going to be happy because the things they are doing to make themselves happy are actually causing them to become more miserable.

Bc they buy into the fallacy that TOS was canceled bc it was too progressive, so they have to make sure people watch and will do 5 seasons even thou they only do 5 a season and after that time just meet the 26 the first season had in total.

Two words for you dude: tax shelter.

Just think of all the minorities that could "woked" in a starlost reboot. Each dome could have it's minority majority, ruling it's version of utopia. Each week have a new dome being visited by a group of white, straight genders, explorers and being put in their place by the ethnic group and sent on their way with their tail between their legs, to only be rebuffed next week in another minority majority ruled dome... a SJW's dream storyline.

No that's aptly abbreviated to STD which is a POS, so it's an understandable mistake if you misheard

Ah you read Time Enough for Love too lol

" sleeping with their own mothers" There's nothing wrong with sleeping with your mother, your cats 'n dogs or anything else. It is what you do when *awake* that sometimes matters.

Definitely, I wonder if that soundtrack is available lol

All of everything that you said was true and correct and pretty much my line of thinking. The only difference being I did not get through the second season of STD.

@@JennySparkz Good choice in not carrying on to season 2!

You are absolutely right. I never really noticed any of the politics initially nor really care if they are there or not but what I did see was star fleet personnel being insubordinate, making huge errors in judgement, shoehorning exposition constantly, and then crying a lot, whilst taking about their feelings. This is a sudo military organisation and in any other ST show this crew would be in the brig. Don’t get me wrong, I have been a bit teary eyed myself once or twice, but really I had to stop watching. It was just too much. Sci fi and Star Trek in particular has always had humanities both good and bad at its core, unfortunately Discovery is more of a star fleet therapy session. Like most people I want escapism, fun and a glimpse of what could be, not introspection!

The lead character committed three death penalty offenses in the first episode.

@@robertelder164 Yeah i remember watch the episode and i was thinking : There's no discipline on this ship at all ,

Watching modern day media is the same as playing mobile games, you have fun for a while, and then you hit the pay-wall.

I don't see the expanse having progressed the way you have described. The only issue I had with the expanse was the insertion of drama to such a high extent that it made some character lines less enjoyable than in the books. I did not see some Insidious woke insertion in the expanse. Specifically what are you referring to?

Expanse pretty much followed the books. Except that they killed off Alex, but I guess that's due to the actor not wanting to continue.

@@Der_Thrombozyt unfortunately it's because the actor was pulling some shady stuff that pretty much everyone agrees is out of line, no matter what your politics. Is a shame too because of all the characters his is the one I most imagine when reading the book.

@@kevinkorenke3569 Thank you for the info. I didn't know that. I just didn't get around to googling it. I just knew the books and when the 'stroke' happened at the end of a season, I just assumed the actor had refused.

Why would they need a cure for either?

Hard men create good times. Good times create soft men. Soft men create hard times.

Representation isn't important unless you are very shallow. If representation is important then The Lion King would have been a complete failure. Only the furry would have been entertained by an all animal cast. Preschoolers every day identify with characters that look nothing like humans. Representation has nothing to do with entertainment, it's just politics.

Representation is not about putting an Asian in every movie. It is about making sure in the aggregate that Asians show up in media just like they show up in your real life. It used to be very easy with broadcast television to watch all white casts portray all of the stories seen in a season. The default for many things still is white and people get incensed when it isn’t. Everyone shouldn’t try to single handedly correct representation. Some of the pretzel bending that is nonsensical comes from individual productions trying to be the solution to a collective problem. You can portray a character with an Asian actor without pandering. People react to the pandering.

I appreciate that!