It's still an authority based system so it's not that weird really

Also this was based in NX-01 era, by costume, meaning that the post-capitalism idea would be less ingrained

video says this is the year 2146. With casual google research, i cant find conclusive evidence that Star Fleet and earth ARE moneyless (there seems to be some debate over interpretation of lines) but it seems that IF it is post money, then that doesnt happen until sometime after the original Star Trek which takes place over 100 years after this point. This is referenced in the end of THIS video where he talks about a potential solution being the transition to an economy where money no longer exists and everyone's needs are met.

I'd imagine that something similar will continue to be necessary for as long as there are hierarchical organizations. Especially ones like Starfleet where some amount of danger and hardship are inevitable by design.

Ya don't get me, I'm part of the Union!

now if we could only get the Ferengi on board with the union thing

@@littleredpony6868 Well, Rom is Grand Negus, so anything is possible.

O'Brien Section Leader of the Locals UNCO Union follows

Poetic utterings

YOU'RE GOD-DAMNED RIGHT.

Steve makes a much better case for a Starfleet union than Leslie Fish did.

@@resivan6265 OMG. 10 points for the unexpected Leslie Fish reference. 😆

@@resivan6265 Leslie Fish? Who? * GOOGLE GOOGLE * She's a pro union... anarchist? WTF? What mental gymnastics is she doing to put _those_ two ideas together?

@@TonboIV Anarchy means "without hierarchy"; it does NOT mean "without governance". As a somewhat anarchist myself: the only way I have been able to balance that contradiction is to assume that the needs of society must be perfectly balanced with the needs of each individual for anarchy to work in practice. I think governance, as in some mechanism for group decision making, is more likely to help than hinder an Anarchist society.

@@jamesphillips2285 Anarchy means the abolition of unjust hierarchies. You'll still need things like doctors, who need to be trained and certified by authorities who can prevent untrained quacks from practicing medicine. Medical boards are, therefore, an example of a just heirarchy, people entrusted with power because they have expertise which others lack. The whole point of a union is to abolish inequalities between workers and bosses/owners. Revolutionary unions have sought to abolish bosses and owners entirely, and modern worker co-ops which run on this principle both exist and are extremely successful whenever capital owners don't manipulate the government into crushing them artificially. There's an argument in there about how a truly free market would likely devolve into feudal hellscapes and anarchist cooperatives simultaneously, but that's for another time. You still have supervisors in these businesses, but they're people who did the job they are supervising for years and have been entrusted by the union with the authority to train new workers, ensure corners and safety measures aren't cut, and resolve interpersonal disputes which could tear down solidarity. Point being, anarchist unions aren't a contradiction. They're half the point of anarchism. They're how you get the work you need to have a society done while maintaining worker democracy and equal dignity for all.

You CAN roll up the sleeves of a jumpsuit, but... aren't there pockets on the lower sleeve as well? Places to put stuff. Far more useful than exposing your arms.

​@@k1productions87but alot more inconvenient than overheating, being able to roll up sleeves is extremely important for jumpsuits, they usually dont breathe too good and your forearms are really good for temperature regulation

i thought it was because any era later unions would be unnescissary.

Slight addition: O'Brien sent it to him the moment he heard about them organizing

Oh yeah, that part totally tracks. Handing out gravity boots and making it the worker's responsibility to wear them properly would be way cheaper than actually refitting the ships. There would also be readiness implications; they'd have to take ships off the line to do the refits. Depending on when this is in the timeline, that might be a big deal. I get the feeling that Earth Starfleet was a sort of glorified Space Coast Guard before and in the early parts of Enterprise, with Vulcan treating Earth like a (particularly annoying) client state. The NX class was UE's first "blue-water" space ship, able to independently project power and conduct space foreign policy, which is why it was such a big deal both for Earth and for the Archer family

Something the union should look into though, why is there no safety feature that turns off the gravity in turboshafts when the turbolift bcar jumps its track or is otherwise damaged? I recall an incident where the Captain and a bunch of kids (it wasn't even enlisted personnel, it was the frakking CAPTAIN) were stuck in a turbolift with no power, while all the while it threatened to fall and drop them all to a horrifying death. Did you get that? Fall? In SPACE? Why should there be a threat of FALLING in SPACE? Furthermore, they all had to make a very rough climb up the turboshaft to escape. A rough, grueling climb. CLIMB... in SPACE. Did you get that? Seriously, make it a standard safety feature that when a turbolift malfunctions, there is no threat of falling to your death, or danger of a long and dangerous climb to escape. They already have variable gravity controls in cargo and shuttle bays for crying out loud, so it IS possible to implement.

I don't know if anything either confirms or contradicts this, but I would think that artificial gravity would be one ship-wide field, so having the same gravity everywhere is the default and varying it is what would require extra effort?

@@NovaSaber Based on what we see in a few episodes, the plates are separate emitters throughout the decks. The problem is that the _Enterprise-D_ is full of rounded surfaces, so there's always going to be plates on a lower deck under any section of turbolift shaft. Now that I think about it, I wonder if there's anything to the somewhat chunkier designs of post-TNG ships that's related to that disaster? "We can afford to build the ships a big denser and put in safeguards if it means we won't have the ship's captain and some crewmembers' children possibly falling to their deaths ABOARD SHIP, IN DEEP SPACE."

I like how the alternate solution was just The Expanse too.

Meanwhile on planet Earth, in Norway, you can already have 12 *months* of parental leave, to be divided between both parents. ;)

​@@FiXatoin Germany any child comes with around a year of wage replacement (two years half of that are also possible) and that's extended by 3 months if it's split between at least two people (Also conditional basic income and 3 years job protections to be used before the kid tuns 10 😉)

@@fionafiona1146 And by the way, money spent on making it easier and more pleasant to have children is not money lost. It's a long term investment in the prosperity of the nation. Declining birth rates are a huge problem in modern wealthy nations, and low wages and sucky working conditions are a big factor in that problem. In a lot of countries, we're raising whole generations who are just used to the idea that they'll be poorer than their parents and even owning a small apartment is unrealistic. Who's going to have children when you can barely take care of yourself?

@@TonboIV Who's going to have children when the biosphere all of us live in is burning? I got a vasectomy before ever becoming sexually active because I genuinely believe having children in any foreseeable future is wildly immoral.

Chakotay is Voyager's XO. That's management. No way he's part of the bargaining unit.

@@pjlusk7774as well as being another, what, century or so in the future of this Strike Captain? Give it time. Someone from Voyager’s LD may eventually space the man. “Accidentally” of course. “Oh, I guess we need more safety regulations! Sorry.” *contrite face*

@@DawnDavidson It’s wild the degree to which a literal terrorist is a management stooge

Boom, roasted.

This is long before Voyager. He's wearing an Archer's Enterprise-era uniform.

Its a security solution, if we would have pockets on the uniforms the non coms would put a pencil in them and forget to return the pencil, since this is a human mistake we cant put the responsibility on the human so we removed the pockets so that we could use the money that would be required to handle all the missing pencils into better use like better food and other recreational areas onboard the ship.

We in the union have tried to get members from the red shirts and the gold shirts for a long time but we never get enough members to go above the minimum limit to add it into the union plan. We are sorry for the inconvenience and we ask you to talk to your union rep to address this question so that we can discuss the issue at our next meeting. //Your union rep

#RedshirtLivesMatter.

@@lokelaufeyson9931 That paints a horrifying picture of certain captains and their timing of deadly missions in regards to the scheduling of the union votes. Is it Starfleet policy to punish unionization efforts with high fatality missions?

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@@oscarguzman3017 you do get that it's a joke, right? Because these are not real people who are actually trying to unionize?

Aka a true hero

Now I'm waiting for the Even Lower Decks spinoff to Lower Decks.

@@martins.4240 The proper spinoff that could also be an UNCO show is a Lower Decks set in ENT-era

Already a book about the engineers. Might as well include the lower echelons.

It could make for an incredible tabletop rpg campaign.

I could see an episode of Lower Decks built around this idea. Freeman gets, I dunno, possessed by the space ghost of an ancient capitalist tycoon and gets all tyrannical. The Lower Deckers organize in protest. Shax is on Freeman's side at first (he's basically a cop after all, even if he works for Starfleet), but gets turned when he sees the conditions the lower decks are in. Mini revolution ensues, the cetaceans demonstrate solidarity in some funny way, Freeman is temporarily overthrown while T'ana removes the possessing entity, everyone learns the value of worker organization even under an explicitly egalitarian communist institution.

It has been so for Star Trek since 1960!

I sprayed my screen with tea at the guacamole joke. That was a classic.

I’m still chuckling at that one. 😄

What is it on an Andorian ship? Blueberry paste?

Klingon ships = Pink Sauce

@@christopherfox7146 More like "Gak", or is that reference too outdated now? I could swear the Klingon blood in Star Trek VI was just pink Gak.

I think that's only the case in the United States, and lest we forget Starfleet is a world organization. In Canada for instance there are some workers who can't strike because they're designated "essential services"--nurses and paramedics, I think firefighters, like that. But other civil servants and certainly Canada Post employees totally can. So if you want a few more rights, come to Canada! ;)

Lol a world where Kim was off screen pro union. That’s why he never got promoted on her bridge 😅

​@@BeerPatiodark! 😂

Yeah if only Tuvix could have joined a union. #JusticeForTuvix

@@John73John That assassination was so efficient, Janeway didn't even leave a body to be buried! And Chakotay wimped out and let her do it!

@@BeerPatio And now this is my personal head canon!

Especially the ones on Voyager. They made it seem like the ship had a unlimited amount of those shuttles. Miracle workers the lot of them.

@@NorninTGK There was more than one full on emotional breakdown in Shuttlebay 3 upon learning that some irresponsible bridge crew has blown up another shuttle and now you're pulling triple shifts until next month.

Damn officer bah****s!

The hidden hands.

How about calling it The Ensign's Log?

Star Trek, enlisted

He has already done a Starfleet Lawyer and a Starfleet Janitor.

I second this motion.

Star Trek tends to skip over that the most amazing thing about its future is that humanity found a way out of the millennia-long money pit of chasing money. It's not just that ending energy scarcity made it technically possible. It's also that people found the right way to think about value, measuring it in terms of time and relationships and fulfillment instead of gold (alone or pressed around latinum). Whenever Starfleet folks talk about how primitive their ancestors seem to them, with their wallets and for-profit businesses, it's the result of a hard-fought-for sea change across the world. Warp drive is just technology -- if it's possible, we'll figure out how to make it and do so. The moneyless Earth is a philosophical change across a whole world, a staggering achievement worth figuring out. Not by me, though. It was a hard-fought battle for me to just stop drinking Coca-Cola to save my health.

@@SingularityOrbitI like that even in Enterprise where money is still used but the profit motive is gone, Archer is incredulous at the Ferengi and states plainly “my people almost destroyed themselves following that philosophy”.

@@kaitlyn__L That's another really interesting point. It isn't merely that prioritizing money over real values made life bad in Trek's past, it was part of the near end of the world. The problem with money is that people learn to measure value in terms that exclude what other people actually need. The reason unions work is that they are about communication in the end -- understanding what people value and negotiating to reach a way forward where everyone gets something of real value out of their works. What that seems to mean is that we can reach a Star Trek future with money in it, but we can't reach a Star Trek future at all without communication.

100% agreed (Also TNG+ is FANTASTIC)

@@justarandomgothamite5466 but still not perfect. You could still fall to your death in a turbolift during a shipwide power failure, or down the vertical intermix shaft of the warp core. And both incidents didn't even nearly happen to enlisted personnel, it was the Chief Engineer and the frakking CAPTAIN. LOL

Bet their toilets didn't clog.

Unions would definitely need to exist post money. You probably get uppity ensigns that don't get that they only technically out rank the noncoms that babysit them. Also you need to make sure your hours are fair. There are tons of issues that would need arbitration.

They’re a rarity to be sure- but they’re not completely unheard of, though mostly local governments. In fact, Travis County Texas’s government employees are unionized. (I say as a recent county hire who needs to talk to her supervisor about how to join.) if it can be done in a state as red as Texas, hopefully it can spread to more locations.

There's a union for government workers. I was part of it for 14 years.

I already found something the union could demand in the 24th Century on the Galaxy-class FLAGSHIP. Variable gravity controls in the turboshafts (or emergency gravity shutoff during a shipwide power failure) so you don't risk falling to a gruesome death if the turbolift jumps its track, or make a long and dangerous climb while having to sing-along with the Captain in order to escape. Seriously... there should NEVER be a risk of FALLING... in SPACE. LOL

Hey, _someone_ has to make sure crew get fair time in the Holodeck and not just senior officers with their latest holo-crush.

It already aligns so well with how he talks to Sisko and then leads the meetings with all the other enlisted engineers.

@@kaitlyn__L Exactly! If someone needed to present demands to the Captain, he would have *no* problem with that.

And Crewman Tarses! So that’s a whole two!

Wouldn't that be the main reason there is a First Sergeant or a Chief of the Boat? To have an enlisted serviceperson at the right hand of the Colonel or Captain who has his or her finger on the pulse of the soldiers or sailors under their command?

NPCs in video games have a union.

Not exactly. I did order custom patches to make the hats, and I got a crewman first class rank patch from an Etsy shop, and I got an Enterprise-era Starfleet patch for the arm, but the rest of the uniform costume is just as-is.

@@SteveShives well, this video is brilliant outside of the pockets, and I left a comment to that effect after watching the whole vid. It's actually a brilliant video. Been watching sporadically for ages, observing the evolution. You started out good and got better. Oh, and I agree that conservatives can watch, but they are...out of pocket complaining you mentioning politics is against the spirit of Star Trek

Isn't that basically still what happened to Rom though? I mean,... there was quite a bit of situational comedy to be had between him and Leeta, and he did join the station's engineering team as a low-level workman, essentially making him a noncom (particularly when O'Brien promotes him up from the night shift)

"You should never hand someone a gun unless you're sure where they'll point it. Your mistake."

Someone jammed my satellite signal with strawberry jam so i missed it :/

The inventor of the Replicator. Why would you need pockets when you can just call up any tool you need within seconds?

Uniform made of Velcro.

The Union needs to strike against the episode writers LOL