Steel Shot Test w/ Nick Horten (Part 2)

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5 жыл бұрын

250 shots later, we have the legendary Nick Horten Back with us today to expand upon our previous video last year! As always, thank you Nick for coming in and sharing some wisdom.
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@ShootingAndReloading
@ShootingAndReloading 5 жыл бұрын
Loved the quizzical look on your face while measuring thickness with barrels toward you and upside down - you could almost hear the thought process "is this the left or right barrel?" :) Another really useful video. Keep them coming :)
@davidjohansson2282
@davidjohansson2282 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if you mentioned it or if I missed it but, when shooting steel thru a say 1/2 choke lead it's somewhere in between 5/8-3/4 or even full choke with steel depending on the cartridge some are more open pattern then others. Just a thought...
@Erik-jc2jj
@Erik-jc2jj 5 жыл бұрын
Well done guys. Interesting video. Never used anything other than lead myself, living in Scotland. Jon, what would you recommend in the market of 10 bores for wildfowling. I fancy an old side by side but I'm wondering what there is in the modern market of semi autos or pumps. Thanks.
@bubbajones5905
@bubbajones5905 5 жыл бұрын
So what is Mr Hortens view on bismuth and polymer-tungsten in the old guns?
@leevi2138
@leevi2138 5 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts on buying a fabarm elos dla for a first shotgun?
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Your mate Nick knows his onions for sure.
@bradrohdenburg3736
@bradrohdenburg3736 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear that AyAs are made with much harder steel than Ugartecheas. I had the chokes eased in a Laurona, and the gunsmith told me that its steel was also exceptionally hard. Shooting author Tom Roster claimed that small steel shot with modern wads would not hurt any choke in any shotgun, and he fired tens of thousands of rounds to demonstrate it. I live in a place where lead shot is still legal, but when the time comes that I must choose between following Tom Roster's example or hanging up my guns, I plan to do the former.
@bubbajones5905
@bubbajones5905 5 жыл бұрын
Steel shot does not deform and you don’t WANT the barrel to deform so the only thing left to “give” are the petals of the shot cup. For steel shot these need to be extra thick and tough, and the best ones are. It might be interesting to examine your wads before and after firing.
@specdel
@specdel 5 жыл бұрын
Steel shot does not deform when eating a duck either! Cost me £100 to fix the chipped tooth. The duck got its revenge! This was a great honest experiment, well done.
@bubbajones5905
@bubbajones5905 5 жыл бұрын
specdel When you set the table remember to put a magnet next to the fork.
@Discov110
@Discov110 2 жыл бұрын
@@specdel way better than eating lead😂
@morganyoder4277
@morganyoder4277 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think you guys should use some American loads like Blackcloud or hevi metal/steel. They seem to be better than the European ones from what i've seen, although I might be mistaken.
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
If only they were available!
@tompalmer334
@tompalmer334 5 жыл бұрын
Interestingly what if a person installed screw in chokes in an old JP Sauer 1959 make 12 gage full/full 28 length
@Briggs1700
@Briggs1700 4 жыл бұрын
hum, where can you get your hands on those pattern cardboard targets? Havnt seen them on the Hull website
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
You’re local hull dealer will be able to order them in.
@Briggs1700
@Briggs1700 4 жыл бұрын
@@tgsoutdoors that's bit of an issue... Havnt found any in BE 😂
@garrettcrawford5256
@garrettcrawford5256 4 жыл бұрын
Hey it’s me
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously the same or very similar metallurgy is available to all modern makers. Why do some choose "softer" steel? Is it a matter of more desirable elasticity and resilience ? I think that was the argument in favor of Damascus when that was competing with the then-new fluid steels.
@williammitchell3633
@williammitchell3633 5 жыл бұрын
Lead ammo, whether bullets or shot, is pretty much banned in California effective this summer. I think there are some exceptions for private clubs. At any rate, I didn't want to do this with a faithful old, but probably not terribly valuable, shotgun, so I bought a gun that was steel rated. Of course, buying a new shotgun was not that terribly painful a thing to have to do, but I'm still getting used to it.
@jmkhenka
@jmkhenka 4 жыл бұрын
If you go and ask a gun store if you can shoot steel, they will deny it unless its made after 91 and have the steel proofing. they just want to sell you a new gun... as cynical as it is.
@GWLAD
@GWLAD 5 жыл бұрын
Is there a new law on shooting crows and pigeons and can you do a vid on it please mate
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
We will do when there is new law is released. For now they have just deleted the old ones. For current news, check out our Facebook page
@GWLAD
@GWLAD 5 жыл бұрын
The Gun Shop iam gutted bloody do Gooder Packham
@peterfragaramos7098
@peterfragaramos7098 5 жыл бұрын
justaposta cruza o tiro
@morganyoder4277
@morganyoder4277 5 жыл бұрын
That seems weird, I thought they shipped American loads to Europe.
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
At great expense usually, most american shotgun ammo is too expensive once it arrives and taxed, handled and retailed.
@peterrose6492
@peterrose6492 4 жыл бұрын
So here's proof of damage to a barrel with a small quantity of steel yet the basc and the rest are forcing this upon us!
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
This is an example of putting High Performance steel through a non steel proofed gun with too much choke for HP steel
@Adalon-
@Adalon- 4 жыл бұрын
@@tgsoutdoors so long story short, minor damage with extended use in a gun not designed with steel in mind. Also use more open chokes with steel. The steel vs lead thing feels inceasingly more like peoppe not liking change vs any real issues. That said, i still think forcing people to switch is stupid af.
@Cplatt97
@Cplatt97 4 жыл бұрын
@@Adalon- I'm not completely opposed to the change but I've been looking into pellets energy retention over distance and steel does seem to loose it's velocity and energy much quicker than lead. Not a deal breaker but combined with the fact that bio friendly wads seem to be quite expensive particular if you reload cartridges for enjoyment like me it gets fustrating and concerning with how much the costs come down over the course of the development in the coming years. As I said I support the change, I just have concerns with how it plays out for the whole community really
@Christafro
@Christafro 5 жыл бұрын
I saw on social media the UK has banned pigeon and crow shooting, is that true? If so, what the hell?!?!
@tgsoutdoors
@tgsoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Scary times, they seemed to react faster than they could come up with a solution. Video explaining what has happened may get filmed in the morning depending on what becomes apparent over night!
@nickhorten97
@nickhorten97 5 жыл бұрын
Conditions for the General Licence have been changed at short notice. Hopefully the situation will be clarified soon.
@Christafro
@Christafro 5 жыл бұрын
@@tgsoutdoors Thanks for the quick response. I hoping for the best for the UK sportsman. Otherwise just head over to the states we would be happy to have you.
@robertstewart1464
@robertstewart1464 5 жыл бұрын
Thankfully this crap hasn't hit us in NI....Yet at least. Most people I have shot with agree with my sentiment that woodpigeon should be reclassified as a game bird with an open season all year round, look how expensive it is to order in a restaurant!
@ryanlynch2628
@ryanlynch2628 4 жыл бұрын
How irresponsible! 3in super steel through a gun that isn’t proofed for steel! Dangerous in the extreme to show such a video and from people who ought to know better! Unbelievable!
@jj70098
@jj70098 4 жыл бұрын
You don’t know what you’re talking about, did you hear how many shells went through that gun without any issue. Obviously where you’re basing that remark off of is flawed and that is what they proved.
@ryanlynch2628
@ryanlynch2628 4 жыл бұрын
jj70098 err sorry I beg to differ! The gun wasn’t proofed for that load all guns are different just because this gun got away with it doesn’t mean “all” will!! You have just clearly demonstrated my point 😂 other idiots will try this! 😂
@FeckArseIndustries
@FeckArseIndustries 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, couldn't watch more than 6 minutes after listening to narcolepsy Nick. Zzzzzzzz
@nickhorten97
@nickhorten97 5 жыл бұрын
Whoops, sorry mate, I`ll try harder next time! It`s partly down to old age and the desire to ensure technical accuracy but I can see what you mean.
@FeckArseIndustries
@FeckArseIndustries 5 жыл бұрын
@@nickhorten97 You clearly know your stuff inside out, nothing personal, just a preference.
@FeckArseIndustries
@FeckArseIndustries 5 жыл бұрын
@@nickhorten97 Thanks for the very prompt reply by the way😊
@nickhorten97
@nickhorten97 5 жыл бұрын
@@FeckArseIndustries The pleasure is all mine. I`m quite capable of witty repartee but previously thought it inappropriate, now I know I`m sending people to sleep I`ll try to liven it up a bit. Thanks for the observation, it all helps towards a more watchable video.
@wholeNwon
@wholeNwon 4 жыл бұрын
And everyone noticed when you left.
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