Lol

Boooo

But the only water in the forest is the river... for my tropical mates/minions. What could they be deemed as I wonder - perhaps 'Hydro-Arborialic' or maybe 'Arborial-Hydratic'?

Bottom Of The Sea Tier

@@justincronkright5025hear me out hear me out amphibians

there should honestly be multiple options based off of existing different types of megacorps

I wouldn't be surprised if mods come out about this; or if you're somewhat comfortable modifying some core files you could pretty easily make a few flavor changes. Changing out the events regarding owing a loan and all that would be more involved though.

By the origin definition it simply says that an empire with the "Your Ticket to the Stars" origin is spawned which is the origin MSI uses. It's very likely that at one point they were planning to have partially randomised empires spawn instead of just MSI but they may have changed it to help with event triggers and coding. Given that the framework for this is possibly already in place its possible that with enough public support PDX may find a way to make this an option.

This. Honestly, I wish it was possible to create empires with the unplayable origins and force spawn them in. Like the Fallen Empires, the MSI, the imperial lord and all that.

Mods

How do u force spawn

@@synctrox9679 when you are looking through your created empires list there is a little box with wings if you click it one it turns orange (will occasionally spawn that empire) if you click it again it stays orange with a lock over the icon. That force spawns any empire of your liking.

@@synctrox9679 Simply create another Clone empire with your species and use the empire spawning option (The eagled button by all of your custom empires) and set it to Spawning forced.

The other things that make it broken are having essential no downside from taking the death cult civic, and having insanely broken admirals if you go psionic ascension.

@@Spartan878455 How does the system determine if a species is the same? Does it need to have the same name? Same portrait? Same exact traits?

yeah some of this list is a bit unresearched, there are so many things like Hegemony that are way better than he described etc.

i have a custom determined exterminators doomsday origin i played when the origin came out force spawned in my current game, they control 1/3 of the galaxy and have wiped out a fallen empire

I think that's what happened in my last game! Had a neighborl who expanded like crazy and then the next time I opened my star map they were gone and I didn't even get a notification they were gone. It might also have been a spiritualist fe cleansing them for taking a holy world. No idea how they died

If you fart is smelly enough you can still small it in the wind

Yeah AI Doomsday rarely survives. The AI don't realise they would have to settle for the low habitability planets they would rather spread out significantly first only settling the high habitation worlds before moving onto to the mid habitability worlds and finally the low habitability worlds only if they can't expand anymore

I had that happen too. My northern neighbor and I were allies, we had established embassies on eachothers' worlds, had some trade deals going, then... poof. Their homeworld explodes, and just like that their entire empire just vanished, leaving me and two other empires with the task of divvying up the territory that used to be theirs. I think I ended up getting their home system actually. Very sad.

I wish the specific events it can sometimes trigger didn't feel so opaque.

I have been playing Broken Shackles with Shared Burdens. They synergise really well.

"Not particularly aggressive gameplay" My brother in Zarqlan, you're playing it wrong. Suffer not the slaver, tolerate not the tyrant. The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of free men.

@@t2force212 yes yes liberated slaves now hanging their former opressors,based

@@ilovespongebob7840 why settle for just liberating the slaves when you can liberate all the workers, after all they are all slaves to the system

That.sounds.aswesome. Getting the Worm is difficult tho...

@@joheng01 yes i really dislike the fact that the devs made the worm so difficult to trigger. You used to be able to get a science ship go back and forth to a black hole to trigger it now i think its a 20% chance on a random blackhole i haven't been able to trigger it since that update. I get it for balance for multiplayer but its a fun single player event.

@@RedGearZ96 On the other hand, if you're going to cheese it anyway rather than let it occur naturally anyway, why not just use the console to force it to happen? You're effectively cheating either way, may as well save yourself some time :)

@@JaceMorley i still like to have it spawn randomly the problem is the odds are so incredibly small to trigger it, i think the devs should increase the chances of it spawning in single player if possible.

Always wanted to play a doomdays game but instead of finding a new homeworld I either terraform Mars or build a habitat in orbit. Sadly I always die before I manage it.

Which other origins have a good storyline?

@@Ajay_S4 Imperial Fiefdom has quite a nice emergent storyline of a great empire in it's zenith, and the inevitable downfall.

@@Ajay_S4 On the Shoulders of Giants has a good storyline too, though you don't get to make choices regarding it

I hope not. Those big story chains should be stuff you can find on galaxy as any empire like worm in waiting. Putting them as origins just waste an origin slot for a story that is only interesting first time you play it. And it goes against main strength of Stellaris. An empire is your own creation but those very railroaded origins basically lock you into developers OC.

@@Botar48 more story stuff out in the galaxy is a good thing, but some stories are specifically tied to the pre spaceflight development of empires. that stuff is interesting and by definition NEEDS to be part of the origin.

If you go for decreases in blocker costs, you can stack them and get a bunch of free pops for like, 97 (iirc) minerals when you clear them off.

Now they have normal colony ship too. So you can colonize with it your "useless worlds" which has 5-16 size and gather your lithoids from blockers.

Going even further and grabbing agrarian idyllic (after getting anti grav tech ofc) is also fun. If a bit boring because you're now pacifist.

​@@grafeugenius then putting guaranteed habitable world's to zero causes no extra frozen world's lol

This used to be my favorite origin before I got DLCs. It would be pretty cool if it gave an empire-wide modifier like a small 10% discount on all future Gateway constructions or something

If it made gateways dirt cheap and quick to make, but made your hyperlane speeds abysmal, I think it'd be a very interesting experience

I think they did it this way because the gateways make this empire instantaneously powerful by midgame if you can construct them at critical defensive points. If you're graced with an inner empire that only has one hyperlane exit and a handful of planets near your homeworld, orbital rings guarantee massive shipbuilding capacity hidden behind a bristling wall of defenses. I've played games this way where I have been able to replace a major fleet in 200 days or less and deploy to my defensive lines in another 30 days. Gateway on my Homeworld basically means I can station all of my fleets over my capital and wait for the enemy to come to me, without getting trapped in the wrong battle.

Money money money

It's less of a risk but it's also a 50/50 shot of having the second area claimed by the time you get cut off. Which makes it only good for a invasion route.

...yeah I tried to do this but around 2210 I got a psionic entity spawned in my home system which pretty much ruined the game

@@Supreme-no2yeyou gotta open your borders

I recently got back into Stellaris and found out the hard way that enemy fleets can use that gate

Yeah I tried void dwellers once because I heard it was good...and it seemed absolutely horrible. I guess it's good if you know what you're doing, but I sure didn't

tf? i have literally never had any issue with stability lmao

@@ArousedRat1 would you mind beginning a new game as void dwellers and then posting your stability in all 3 habitats?

I wonder why void dwellers have stability issues I thought the lord was they always lived in space?

On second thought it would make sense if these people were forced from their planets by their government for many generations as space colonists, kinda like the side 3 zeon people from gundam but the origin assumes they were always in space

Agreed

i combine it with eager explorers to have a building replaceing my research labs, and still get that tasty sublight speed bonus. Bonus RP points my speices already knows whats out there and getting back in the galaxy sooner is worth the trouble. starting with jump drives is fun, even if its not the strongest way to play.

And you can finally catch your 2 missing animals for a jear worth of research, yay.

I love Necrophage. It's my go-to. Instead of your leader pops reproducing normally, you have to grow your slave pops and build chambers of elevation on your worlds. These chambers create jobs that transform 1 to 3 slave pops into leader pops over the course of a decade. Real fun for micromanaging and playing the economic puzzle.

become a bulwark. They're so good to be! And don't make bulwarks, unless you can handle the economic noose around your neck. You probably want one of each of the other two specialists for the nice bonuses, and then as many satrapies as you can get (or just regular vassals if you dont have the Kahns throne)

So here's my rough draft for AI empire origins: F Tier: Don't give AIs these origins unless you really hate them. They do NOT know how to use these origins properly (if there even is a 'proper way to do this origin' in the first place with some things,) and will end up failing a lot of the time. Shattered Ring: Even as a robot empire, the AI fails to take advantage of the new system, so they play it the way it was in 3.5: very poorly. Giving them this origin is almost assuredly a death sentence. Life Seeded: They do SLIGHTLY better with this than they do with shattered ring. SLIGHTLY. But not really. Unless they get lucky with prims (which might not be the case anymore with the rework), they are going to be very weak. Doomsday: As you might have guessed, the AIs can't seem to figure out "oh, yeah, I should move my pops before my world go boom." So they end up flatlining because of it. Overtuned: You'll have to do the tuning for them, because the AIs have no clue whatsoever on how to genetically modify themselves decently. In fact you'll want to avoid giving them this just because you really don't want the AI doing any sort of genetic modification because they'll create 10-20 different types of their main species and cause lag. So avoid this one like the plague if you're making an AI empire. Toxic God: Yeah, they ... suck with this. THey suck economicwise, they suck fleetwise, they just... suck. They keep the quest for the toxic god in regular funding mode, and never take it off. ... Look, this origin was meant to be a story origin. Experienced... by players. The AI gets almost nothing out of this. There is no reason at all to give an AI this origin. Void Dwellers: You'd THINK they'd be very good with this, since the AI just LOVES to spam habitats. But noooo, they don't do jack with this. Clone Army: "Durrrrr how do me made clon vate? Me no dunno lol me die now 'cus me iz dum clon!" Yeah that's the AI using Clone Army in a nutshell. They have no idea how this works, so they'll keep colonizing the same planet over and over and over and over again, until they invade a prim world, get some sort of migration pact some other way, or become decendant (they always do); and then they'll just operate like a (rather weak) normal empire. C tier: They do okay with these. Not good, but not terrible either. Galactic Doorstep: They don't seem to run into the problems that players do, so there really isn't any good reason not to give them these, not that there's a good reason TO give them this. Syncredtic Evolution: Nice if you want to start an empire out with some slaves, but that's about it, really. Post-Apoc: Nothing to say about it. Nice if you give them the civic that turns planets into tomb worlds, but that's about it. Cave Dwellers: I've never seem them do too hot with this, but not too bad either. Then again they do take full advantage of the 50% habitability floor. Tree of life: Because the Tree of Life is automatic, they do decently with this one. Nothing to write home about though. Calamitous Birth: They do use the lith asteroids, but they don't really take advantage of it by clearing the blockers made by it. If they did, this might get kicked up to c tier. Payback: Yeah, they're just... bad with this, as to be expected. Don't expect a payback AI to become a powerhouse. They get a high fleet count due to the enlightenment ship (which they almost always turn into a ship. And thanks to Minamar's AI stupidity, will always end up being the last of its kind.) But are complete crap in all other matters. Especially compared to their broken shackles co-origin. Slingshot: They don't take much advantage of the Slingshot, at least that I've seen, nor of the ability. B Tier: They do fairly decently with these. Better than the C tier. Lost Colony: Oddly enough, the one that usually spawns with this is the COM. Which means it's hard coded to spawn the UNE, which usually stomps. And even if they aren't, they still get the 'same species' dip bonus. Syncretic Evolution: I am not entirely sure how, but they somehow make this one work for them. Not the best you can give them, but they work out. At least until the rebels start popping up. A tier: The AIs know how to do well with this, or it's too straightforward for them to muck it up. Broken Shackles: Despite the early game disadvantage, they seem to blaze through it, and the extra pop types means they can colonize just about everything, which they WILL do. As long as one of them doesn't end up with the noxious trait, they will end up doing rather well, especially if they find some quick allies (which they most likely will.) Pro Uni: There is a REASON this is the one AIs pick the most: Because it's powerful enough for them to take advantage of, and too straightforward for them to muck it up. Necrophage: Yeah, they're rather nasty with this. Not ZOMG WTF BROKEN nasty, but still nasty. As an aside, this is one of the few times where I've actually seen fan purs actually last into the midgame. Progenitor Hive: Unlike with Clone Army, they actually have enough ai brain to build progenators. Not immediately though, otherwise they'd be S tier, but they WILL get around to it at some point. Mechanist: They definitely understand this origin, and they will run away with it. Ocean Paradise: You think they would be bad with this, but no. They're actually quite great with it. Not overwhelmingly so, but still.... Here Be Dragons: They never did the dragon exploit (not that it would even work anymore), but even when it was still possible, they were a pain to play against. And lord help you if they're still around when they tame it, because they will rampage with it. Though it doesn't stop them from getting vassalized, and if they get the case of _revolutionitus_, the dragon won't really do jack for the new regime. S Tier: Give AIs this if you want your game to be grindingly nasty. Or your allies to be godlike. Common Ground/Hegemony: Okay, now this is a complete reversal. This is in the top tier?! HOW?! Allow me to explain. When this spawns, it spawns 3 empires. Now, most players will complain that it eats up your habitable worlds, and boxes you in. Which is fair enough criticism. However, what they fail to realize is that even if one of the fed members will get boxed in, at least ONE won't. And that one or two can carry the whole thing. They also get the avantage of having 2-3x the navy of most empires (thanks to their federation) which means they (hegemonies especially) are VERY aggressive when it comes to subjugation/liberation wars, which only serves to increase the federation further. And, especially if they don't start boxed in, they are VERY good at coordinating expansion. This also means they're bound to have migration treaties, research agreements, the works, which starts them off very strong. Imperial Feifdom: God help you if anything spawns with this right next to you, because you are 6 methods of FUCKED. Not only do they have all the strengths of Common Ground/Hegemony AIs, but they have it in spades. Luckily, they are on a timer, and when that timer is up, they fracture into quarrelling, bickering nationstates, all ripe for the taking. Scion: Yes, they are every bit as nasty as Scions as players are.

Honestly, it deserves to be in B tier. It's not TOTALLY insane, but it's really good- and great for lithoids.

Don't know if this would be be an effective strategy or not, but I plan to try and mainline the following build / protocols in tournament play. To address the amenity issues you describe with Subterranean, & double down on the increased resource district size; I've paired it with the Agrarian Idyll civic at start. Using Technocracy (could've gone with Masterful Crafters for more building slots via the mining / industry district openers but Tech has more of an impact overall) as my second civic (picking Catalytic with gene Ascension once the third is available to free up more minerals for the consumer goods behind scientific / unity upkeep via switching alloy production on food, making the farmers I originally relied on for amenities more relevant as well). Also put Incubators on my species as a starting Trait to fix Cave Dweller (also thought of going Xenophobe too for the pop growth speed but currently Authoritarian due to being easier to please the faction), which itself will be resolved through the aforementioned gene Ascension. The increased building cost will also be fixed by opening with Prosperity, the real strengths of which are is its +5% bonus to all jobs; -5% specialist upkeep, & +5% bonus to specialists; so no opportunity lost there. I know Lithoid is the conventional thinking when this Origin is used, but not going that way either due to food having fewer uses than minerals (also mentioned upkeep switch previously). Plus it has more repeatable technology, buffing production in the long run (I know I could get around that with a matter decompressor, but megastructures are too much of a strategic target; & I'm still not confident in my ship designs / Tactical ability to present that much of an opening). Anyway apologies for the rambling, just my two cents on a great but sadly underrated part of this game we all enjoy lol😅. Penny for your thoughts? Regardless; have a great day!