Disruptor corvettes are amazing against Contingency. At least as long as you have enough damage coming elsewhere that you are winning the war of attrition.

And mine!

If you’re going against a x25 crisis, I find that the only safe bet is to throw a billion of the longest-range battleships you have at it, kill it before it kills you.

And my axe!

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if you saw the other videos on corvettes and destroyers. you should know, you switch to the next "tonnage" class as you unlock it. and build only that until cruisers show up. And as in this video explained, PvE, you go all rounders only and watch everything, other then crisis, cry as you keeel them xD With that said, sure. i would also like to see a video on it, since a literally never saw Montu's "all rounder" class anywhere before. Hence, i'm certain he can come up with something i've never seen before xD

Oh this would be fantastic!

Yes please!

were they ever a meme ship...? I mean, sure, they wer enot max evasion destroyers or the evergreen battleship, but all laser cruiser would make you able to take on any enemy starbases with no losses, and they where pretty good with hangars and such. I don't think they were ever bad

they were just worse battleships. both destroyers and corvettes had benefits over battleships in certain areas, but cruisers were basically useless as soon as you unlocked battleships

@@leobastian_ nah, with now they had torpedo slot, they're definitely better at taking down battleships

@@AndrewTheUltraBoss99 Nobody used cruisers back in my days in 2.6. I just came back after i finally upgraded my pc to give this lategamelag game another try (so far so good with mit 7800x3d) and was like "what? Cruisers are usefull? the fuck happend?"

​ No. Cruiser was good against everything except crisis

I really prefer this meta for that reason. Space combat realistically would not be anything like naval combat but most people are familiar with the basics of naval combat and most sci-fi media just grants that space combat is like naval combat. Ironically space combat in Stellaris used to be more realistic in the bad (but very funny) old days of naked corvettes.

What are good support fleets for battleships?

​@zhadowmoon5811 I tend to like my BBs as giant missile boats, but I build my fleets to be fast and have lots of long range missiles keep everything at max range, and use DDs as my flak screen since usually only enemy missiles can reach me. I don't use Frigates once I unlock Cruisers, and again they are usually just fast missile boats with some attack craft. My BBs are just bigger versions of them, and I usually build a lot more cruisers than BBs... I almost use my BBs as shields for my fleet. I'd rather all the fire hit them since they can take it, and collectively my Cruisers do more damage than my BBs, and usually die much quicker. The BBs can take a massive beating especially if you have a lot of Point Defense DDs with them

@@IntusMortuum Basically the same. I like carriers but Missiles are generally the way to go in this meta. Frigates are really fragile and tend to take the brunt of casualties in the late game.

I had a small "Interior Security Force" of corvettes that would patrol solely to stop pirate bases popping up.

I'm playing like 3.3 because i haven't had internet in my apartment for a year. Can you explain why I would ever want swarmer missiles as opposed to devastator torpedoes?

@@cosmictreason2242tj I are pretty op in the latest version of the game

@@cosmictreason2242 New version of Stellaris did a combat update. Devastator torpedoes have a max range of 30, Whirlwind missiles are 100 or 120. Missiles with Artillery combat computers create kiting behavior in the missile ships, so the torpedo ships never get into range to fire before taking so much missile damage they blow up or disengage.

​@@cosmictreason2242they massively outrange any M or S slot weapon. Combined with afterburners, you can create cruisers that in the mid game can kite down other ships, like torpedo cruisers, without problems. And before Battleships, hardly any ship design will have L slot weapons, so you will nearly always have a range advantage

@@PaulthePhilosopher2 aha. So when i update i won't be able to send torps cross system

*deep*

Now that I think of it you're actually right. Damn. Applies to real life maybe once u have alot of something the value goes down.

The Colossus, since its one of the rare ship types that can fix the late game lag

Sounds like those are the two you should trust because they are still new to the game and less likely to cause you any problems

Im learning :(

Im too lazy to design them

Firing arc doesn't really matter, since in stellaris ships have almost instant turn rates. Battleships can pivot on their axis a full 180 degrees instantly and take aim to shoot their x-slot weapon for example. Minimum range is the only problem, as for kiting, if your ship is faster and there is enough space, they can always retreat successfully to stay at range, turn to shoot instantly on a dime and have no issues.

@@luka188 They can, but if your not micro-managing... will they? Or will they just keep pointing the gun away, as they retreat?

@@lostbutfreesoul as said before, if they are faster, they will outrun the enemy, turn, shoot, then turn again and keep running. If they are slower, well, you're dead :)

@@lostbutfreesoul You can't micro manage fights in stellaris, the ships just behave as they do. You can see this behavior as you view the fight in game, or on some of the combats featured on Montu's channel for example.

@@lostbutfreesoul my guy there is no micromanaging space battles in stellaris except for the retreat button

Look at their ships, counter their shield/armor/hull balance. No guides needed lol.

Can you link your reddit post? I can't really decide if carrier battleships are good or not.

Montu sleeps on a lot of things.

Median is an average. Mean is what you’re conflating with average. There are 3 main measures of central tendency all of which can be called average which isn’t a mathematical term.

Aside from just having some of all in the fleet, is it really helpful to have that many variations?

Not to be that guy, but it's spelled "carrier"

@@cosmictreason2242 probably not but damage must be as efficient as possible

If you come up against torpedo's you will be in trouble though! As they will out torpedo your torpedoes. That is less of an issue in single player or vs mixed fleets though ofc

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Honestly Whirlwind missiles are kind of a count PD counter, that's kinda their deal. They just soak up a bunch of PD. Montu is definitely sleeping on them

There's a channel on youtube, Tachyon lance, who has playthroughs where they beat a 50x contingency on grand admiral (In a game with 3 crisis back to back, the first one 25x crisis, each stronger than the last, with contingency being the last to spawn, spawning at around 50x lol). Generally, with enough scaling tech, you can beat any crisis, it just depends how much time you give yourself to prepare (And how well you manage to scale your economy, or how long you bother before going on autopilot mode lol). For anything over 5x, short range weapons are bad as the crisis gets so much extra damage they will one shot your ships, so long range weapons and carriers tend to do really well against them. 25x crisis can even one shot battleships (Less likely with repeatables on your armor and shield health), so your best bet is to outrange them and use carriers with lots of repeatables. For 5x and below crisis, disruptors work fine, even against contingency (Generally the most challenging crisis). Disruptor cruisers with 1 torpedo slot on the bow for extra punch against stations, otherwise they won't be able to defeat the purification hubs (Or other starbases the other crisis make). I tested swarmer missiles as well, but they actually did worse than disruptors against 5x contingency with a similar amount of repeatables (Around 5 for both energy and explosive damage). To make them work, you need a big system with lots of space so the ships can kite and you need a lot of repeatables to have them deal enough damage, as they need to chew through the armor first and thus need to deal with almost 10 times the HP, but against stronger crisis the range is critical.