ARE YOU STILL LATINO IF YOU DON'T SPEAK SPANISH? | STRANGER FRUIT

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ARE YOU STILL LATINO IF YOU DON'T SPEAK SPANISH? | STRANGER FRUIT | S1E18

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Жыл бұрын

How Latino are you if you don't speak Spanish? Constanza Eliana and her guests are back at it in part 3 of our series on being #LATINOENOUGH. "No Sabo Kids" have been the subject of a lot of debate lately. Should Latinos know how to speak Spanish or is perfectly okay to abandon the language of their colonizer?
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Featuring: Jose Richard Aviles (@soynalgona), Michelle Morales (@mimorales09), Daisy Romero (@elcholoskid)
Donovan Thompson: EP, Host
Constanza Eliana Chinea: Producer, Co-Host
William Stallings: Executive Producer
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@laurahouser2350 Жыл бұрын

I am glad that Daisy tried to represent the No Sabo perspective on behalf of her partner. I am sure you try very hard to get a balanced panel, but this time it felt a little unfair to make some sweeping assumptions about "no sabo kids" without anyone there to talk about how they feel about it. I agree with bonding through healing rather than through trauma, however, im sure a lot of the people in online spaces are still quite young, and they are still working through the trauma- they haven't healed yet. I think that ultimately, whether or not someone speaks a language is on their parents. Of course restraints on time and resources and differences in situations mean not everyone has equal ability to teach their kids their native language, but a kid raised in the US is super unlikely to learn a home language well if the parents do not really push it, doing things like insisting the child reply in that language, and making time for media in that language. A lot of kids grow up feeling guilty that it is their personal failture they don't speak language XYZ; like they chose to reject the language, but they were CHILDREN, it was on the adults to make sure they learned. Yes, we do have youtube and lots of online resources for people to learn later, but I think because everyone on the panel did grow up speaking Spanish, they arent really being fair or realistic about that either. You can put in a lot of work to learn Spanish or whatever language (I have) but STILL really struggle because of psychological blocks (like insecurity and fear of judgement) and learning issues. My Mexican grandma did not raise my dad to speak Spanish, and he tried to learn as an adult. He really did try, but it's like his tongue just won't roll at all, and his memory for vocabulary is poor. I have had much more success learning than he has, but I understand the shame aspect. If i tell people I have Mexican heritage, suddenly my Spanish sucks, but if I don't mention it and am simply a gringa who tried to learn, then my Spanish impresses. It doesn't make any sense for a No Sabo kid to shame someone who speaks fluently, but it also is unfair for a fluent speaker to minimize how lonely and excluded many No Sabo kids feel. I'll add that as an ESOL teacher, I know that there are many kids who don't speak Spanish at all, but they are still ESOL students and don't speak English well (in terms of academic English that they need for success in school). There's a lot more to say about that, but just think about how it woudl feel to be like the "dummy" everywhere you go, like being an ESOL student but not speaking Spanish either... most teachers and parents don't understand how that is possible. Many of the parents of a lot of thse kids are like "I don't get it, he doesnt even speak Spanish, why can't he get out of ESOL?" A kid in that situation going to have to deal with a lot of judgement from all sides, and who is helping them to heal? What resources are there for them to understand how language acquisition works and how they could be in that position?

@Mandapuggo_ Жыл бұрын

I wish we got more representation on this panel. Like for 1. an indigenous person of Latin America. Although they may not identify as Latino they are also affected by this. For example, the indigenous kid in Mexico who was bullied and literally lit on fire by his Spanish speaking Latino classmates due to him not speaking good Spanish since he mainly spoke his indigenous language. Also 2. to get an actual person who does not speak Spanish. There are various reasons as to why Latinos may not speak spanish. A lot of it has to do with history and racism. My family on my dads side are all dark brown with indigenous features and we have been in states (the south) for a few generations. Back then they were punished for speaking spanish and sometimes even hurt or murdered. For us native latinos it is harder for us to hide in plain sight. We also get colorism and racism from both white people and other Latinos. I also find it ironic how the host mentions "No Sabo kids" center themselves in conversations while they intentionally left out the "no sabo kid" who is the main topic and only topic of this conversation lol. It shows you're not actually open to this conversation and wanting to understand.

@expresscookie 3 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking… I’ve also noticed a pattern with Puerto Ricans tending to be more strict about gatekeeping. I think this is because they have American citizenship by default so they receive a lot of criticisms from other Latinos who assume Puerto Ricans have it easy in the states. In south Florida, I wouldn’t dare claim to know any Spanish because I would quickly be dismissed or mocked or quizzed the second I opened my mouth or tried to translate for someone. Meanwhile fluent Hispanics in other states tend to act suspicious of me if I say I DON’T speak Spanish and they assume I must be pretending that I can’t understand everything they’re saying. and I also can’t say a single word in Spanish without any non-Hispanic American within earshot side-eyeing me because they get flustered to see a fairer skinned blue eyed woman speaking any language other than English - because the narrative of what it means to be Hispanic is completely different in more Anglo-dominant US cities. The USA has brainwashed Americans into believing that white privilege doesn’t exist within Latin American communities because they’ve convinced everyone here that Hispanic is a skin tone. Also, people don’t know (or just don’t care) that the Americanization of southern Louisiana in the mid-1900s involved public school teachers psychologically scarring young schoolchildren with fear-based humiliation tactics and harsh corporal punishment in front of their classmates any time they spoke their families’ native Louisiana French in the classroom. Louisiana French Creole dialects almost went extinct because parents and children who witnessed that abuse from the government were afraid to continue passing the language onto future generations. This is not coincidentally similar to the incident you described (which is still common, and of course happens/ed to indigenous children in the USA and Canada as well) and how Puerto Rican schoolchildren were forbidden from speaking Spanish at school or displaying the Puerto Rican flag. I would go so far as to say the key component of being Latino is not that you need to be fluent in a Latin language but quite the opposite- being Latino means you’ve experienced community conflict or discrimination for either not being fluent in your country’s dominant language (whether that’s English in the USA when your family is Latino or a Latin language in Latin America when your family is indigenous ) OR not being fluent in the language that was stolen from your family when your family was displaced. Being Latino means some of your ancestors spoke native languages on this continent before the Europeans colonized it and forced society to learn a Latin language and practice Catholic religion, and then hundreds of years later your family was suddenly expected to speak English, too. Being Latino means your family has been trying to navigate a million different expectations from a million different governments and you’re not allowed to complain about how it’s extremely confusing and frustrating because then you’ll be pushed away from every group you try to connect with

@GeeBee212 Жыл бұрын

I have the BIGGEST problem with the term "proper Spanish." Language is communication. If you understand me when I speak, gesture or write then it's language. Languages are not static . They change over time as people migrate and come into contact with other language speakers. English spoken today in both England and the US are not the same as 400 years ago. The same with Spanish. In the Caribbean, we speak Spanish that grew out of Andalusia heavily influenced by African and Indigenous words I can imagine a Latin speaker of 800 years ago hearing Castellano/Castilian Spanish and saying, "Wow, those people are speaking broken Latin."

@jmelanierenee Жыл бұрын

For context, anything outside of Spain is not proper Spanish. I clearly know Spanish varies with dialect and “swag” to it. But based on European standards, any Spanish outside of their world is “ghetto” Spanish and not proper

@GeeBee212 Жыл бұрын

@@jmelanierenee Only they don't rule the world -anymore- .They don't get to dictate what is proper for us.

@codyives5409 Жыл бұрын

@@jmelanierenee On the contrary, many Spanish people consider Latino Spanish as more “proper,” or formal. They use more of the “usted” and “ustedes” forms when addressing people. Now, if you’re referring to the many accents of Latin America, southern Spain and the Canary Islands’ accents are very similar to some countries in Latin America. I don’t know if that theory is based on skin color since Argentina and Uruguay are also majority white countries.

@TheMaru666 Жыл бұрын

There are variations within Spanish , localisms , different choice of words , coloquialisms ... But Spanish with English mixed because you lack enough vocabulary in either of them or invented words mixing both when it is not done by choice but because of ignorance when you are young and have a wifi conection to improve both is a sighn of laziness.

@GeeBee212 Жыл бұрын

@@TheMaru666 You sir are obviously not a linguist nor do you truly understand how language develops. What hubris and ignorance on your part to assume ignorance and laziness would make people "mix" English and Spanish words. How do you think the Spanish language developed? It derived from old Castilian Spanished which emerged during the Reconquista as the dominant of various spoken Vulgar Latin dialects that expanded from the north of Spain as Christian kingdoms expanded their influence southwards. Galician, Leonese, Basque, Catalan, Aragonese also had influence on the language that we now know to be Spanish. When you travel to those regions in Spain, you will still hear the vestiges of those languages especially in the accents. Were the Castiilians lazy and ignorant?

@GeeBee212 Жыл бұрын

Me again. My issue is that I do speak, read and write Spanish with a Colombian accent. I studied in Barcelona and Madrid for one year. Lived in Argentina for a few months. I am Afro Latina and when I speak Spanish, fellow Latinos will say "Oh you speak Spanish so well." I usually respond with you speak poorly but I do understand you! The other annoying thing is if I begin a conversation in Spanish, they will intentionally answer in English.

@AliciaAmbrosia Жыл бұрын

My grandmother, a dark skinned black woman, from/in the Caribbean wore dark lip liner in the 60s as a teen and into adulthood.

@AnnaGolden122 Жыл бұрын

I wish the panel included latinos that don't speak Spanish and hear their perspectives. I am trying to understand the POV of those in the video but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Still excited to watch future videos from the Stranger Fruit Universe.

@soulvibesmedia7682 Жыл бұрын

I would second this. I myself don’t fully speak Spanish, but I can understand quite a bit. I think hearing and seeing both perspectives would be way more well rounded rather than just those who speak the language

@viedinternaute8132 Жыл бұрын

I’m a 1st gen Haitian🇭🇹immigrant and I used to bully the no sabo kids of my community but now I encourage them to speak whatever kreyòl it is that they know bc it’s only going to get worse if they don’t practice around Native speakers

@soulvibesmedia7682 Жыл бұрын

My experience as a “no sabo” kid has a lot to with with simply not being raised by my mother. She’s Puerto Rican. My father is African American. Everyday I struggle with being mixed race/bi-racial because people always assume based off of my appearance, that I speak Spanish or that I am Latinx. They’re not wrong but they often get confused or even annoyed that I cannot fully speak the language. It’s not that I don’t want to speak it, I really do!! But learning a new language is a difficult process. I don’t think I can truly see it being the same struggle these podcasters are speaking of. I understand being corrected for your Spanish, which is rude and wrong, but I think a lot of our struggles kind of pertain to not being fully accepted within the community itself and the judgement of even tying. I still work on my Spanish everyday and am determined to learn, but I think we should be given a little grace for those of us who actually want to learn and connect to the community. All “no sabo” kids aren’t the same.

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

I don't think you're a no sabo a no sabo is a person of Latino decent who can't speak Spanish. You have a American dad so you have a American last name and a probably 1st gen or up American mom. Being half Latino is not being Bi Racial because Latino is not a race you're just a American with a American last name who can't speak Spanish. Latin America is a group of countries you can't be half PR like you can't be half Canadian cause your grandma or great grandma was from Canada.

@soulvibesmedia7682 Жыл бұрын

@@El.Matamoros. so basically you are telling me that I’m not Hispanic lol ? Tell that to my mother 🤣 my mother was was raised in PR. Yes I happen to have an American father but you cannot tell me that I don’t have Latin America origins running through my veins. yes you can be half and half. It takes two people to create one person so clearly I can be both equally. I don’t speak Spanish but that doesn’t diminish who I am and what I am. It’s very narrow minded to think that Latinos/latinas can only be that if they speak Spanish or have both parents be of that ethnicity. Thanks but no thanks for your comment.

@soulvibesmedia7682 Жыл бұрын

@@El.Matamoros. also, it’s clearly by definition to be bi-racial if you have two parents with different ethnic backgrounds.

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

@@soulvibesmedia7682 Yeah I am bir racial is by definition 2 races and Latino isn't a race your mom could also be black, would you still be bi racial? They should have thought of all this Latino pride shi before and having a kid who can't even speak Spanish and has a gringo last name cause his daddy wasn't Latino.

@soulvibesmedia7682 Жыл бұрын

@@El.Matamoros. Lmao what ? What I think you have confused is race and ethnicity. Race is based on shades of melanin ranging from black, brown to white. Ethnicity is based on where your blood line derived from. These are two different things. By definition I am Latina and black/brown. Have you ever heard of taínos ? There are whole peoples in Latin countries that are black. Or are categorized by being black. Does that not make them Latino ? Also, again, what does speaking Spanish have to do with your ethnicity ? By just me being alive, I am Latina and African American lol. Both are true regardless of my ability to speak the language. It’s wild to be this narrow minded lol if my Hispanic parent raised me, this wouldn’t even be a debate because I would speak but because she couldn’t, that makes me non-Hispanic ? That makes no sense 🤣 I’m American (based on nationality) i’m black (based on my race/melanin) and Puerto Rican (based, again, on bloodline). All of these things are true, but keep being narrow minded.

@jessicavarona8099 Жыл бұрын

I don’t think it undermines your Latinidad if you don’t speak it, but it probably hinders the way you interact with the culture and your understanding of people within the culture. Language is such a powerful thing. I wasn’t able to understand or appreciate many things about American culture when I couldn’t speak English or communicate with people. Understanding someone’s language gives you a front row seat into their world, their mindset, their beliefs and way of life. And I think that shows by the way “no sabo” kids judge and interact with the culture from a very Americanized lens.

@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this perspective!

@jessicavarona8099 Жыл бұрын

@@strangerfruituniverse thanks for pushing these conversations!

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

In my opinion it does for those reasons you mentioned and because most no sabos are a product of being Americans for generations. And haven't had people from Mexico for a long time having there lineage be American for a long time.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Well if no Sabo kids come from America of course we have that perspective because that's what we know. That's like me expecting someone from Peru to have an American lens when all they've known is a Peruvian perspective.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

@@strangerfruituniverseyall should also thank some of the first comments that made light of your lack of a no Sabo kid on the panel, that would show your actually inclusion and not just talking about it.

@ladydontekno Жыл бұрын

I’m a 46 year old “no sabo kid” who is trying to improve my Spanish, but I fear that at my big age I’ll never be able to speak fluently or without an accent. My family doesn’t speak Spanish because I’m adopted and my parents are white Americans. I wasn’t fortunate enough to be raised in a Latino family or community. I’m a member of two groups who are misunderstood by the Latino community and it’s quite frustrating.

@alphacharm Жыл бұрын

You shouldn’t stress yourself out for not speaking Spanish because it’s a colonizer language

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

You don't have to listen to me if you disagree but at that point in your shoes I would embrace what I do have and focus on other things. You where raised in America with American parents and American culture and that's what you know and will know and there's a peace and understanding to that many people wish they could have.

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

@@alphacharmIt's also the main language of Latin America and the language the people speak and the culture is in. And you can't even talk to those people you claim to be a part of or understand the culture you claim if you can't even speak Spanish and make up dumb excuses other pochos make like colonizer language.

@ladydontekno Жыл бұрын

@@El.Matamoros. with all due respect I don’t think you really understand. In your opinion I’m “just American” and I shouldn’t bother trying to embrace my heritage, but back when I was “just American” and didn’t embrace my heritage then I was self hating and arrogant. I’m not going to make anyone else happy, so I might as well do what I want and try to take back what I lost. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m getting yelled at by the Duolingo owl lol

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

@@ladydontekno Your choice then, try your best. Better you trying what really gives me the ick is when instead of trying they just make up dumb excuses like that colonizer language comment. They just want to claim it instead of even trying to learn the culture/language and stay ignorant yet put that fake staple of Latino on themselves.

@madameclark3453 Жыл бұрын

My Latinos parents played English music in my home. Why? Because they were teenagers in the USA and this what they heard on the radio and what they liked. I only play English music but I don’t feel any less Latino because of it.

@MarissaontheMAP Жыл бұрын

“Let’s recognize each other at the trauma, but bond through the healing” 🔥🔥🔥

@brittanyweatherly8312 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making videos on all these different topics. You're helping people who are open-minded, understand different cultures & issues that are happening.

@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын

Wow! Thank you! This is one of our main goals. So that means a lot. We appreciate you!

@brittanyweatherly8312 Жыл бұрын

@STRANGER FRUIT UNIVERSE You're welcome! You're doing a great job especially with having so much diversity & talking about difficult conversations. Please keep doing it! I'm learning every time I watch.

@ArtisticalLee Жыл бұрын

It’s interesting how the talk centers around colonization but doesn’t acknowledge that Spanish is a colonizer language… and I know the true mother tongues of latin America have been ostracized for centuries.

@laurahouser2350 Жыл бұрын

yea i was also thinking that would be a good point to bring up

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

Same applies to the United States and African languages, heck European languages.

@danieldejesus7913 9 ай бұрын

English Is a colonizer language is the same.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

My point exactly and they should have had someone that is Latino that doesn't speak Spanish in the discussion for it to be truly fair.

@madameclark3453 Жыл бұрын

I spoke English at home and school. The only time I spoke Spanish was with my grandmothers. Yes, most Spanish speaking Latinos in Los Angeles do speak ghetto Spanish, affirmed. But this is a classism thing. My grandmother and great grandmother (born in 1800’s and early (1900’s) came from money and there education influenced their Spanish. I never heard any Spanish slang from them, EVER. I just don’t connect with Spanish slang nor ghetto Spanish. I was raised to be proper and respectful, this was my upbringing and I don’t need to change for anyone.

@ppploanofficer5637 Жыл бұрын

Proper English is weaponized against Blacks all the time.. I hate it here 😂😂😂😂

@lamilagra9684 Жыл бұрын

Great conversation! Wish it was longer

@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын

Thank you soooo much for watching! :-)

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Daisy was the only one who didn't make me feel ashamed, thanks Daisy.

@mdr216 9 ай бұрын

Ok, so I watched this a while back and have been sitting with some thoughts. I think the amount of gaslighting done in this video is wild lol Glad Daisy was there to try and cut though the BS since her partner is a No Sabo latine. Definitely a missed opportunity not having any non Spanish speakers on the panel but appears Daisy was the closest, I was glad she mentioned how to process trauma and being mindful we aren't placing our trauma on folks who have nothing to do with said trauma. I'm sorry but Constanza appears to have a lot of trauma she needs to work though that she has clearly placed onto every no sabo person that has nothing to do with the woman who asked her family to stop speaking spanish in a restaurant. No Sabo kids often are at the receiving end of racism and prejudice even WITHOUT speaking or understanding spanish. I also think its interesting Constanza admitted to telling people she doesn't speak spanish for reasons I felt were problematic and maybe a function of her trauma. Why is it ok to cosplay as a no sabes latine but to actually be one is a problem? LOL Being Bilingual is a beautiful thing a lot of people truly wish they can be, so it's wild for no sabo latine folks to be told we are "centering ourselves" and are somehow a problem when apparently some of yall who speak Spanish are pretending you don't speak spanish for bs reasons that should probably be explored, apparently some of yall (Constanza) want what we have (to not be able to speak or understand spanish) but then turn around and criticize us for the very thing you pretend you cant do (speak/understand spanish). I noticed that Constanza also said one of the reasons she lied to ppl about speaking spanish was bc other types of Spanish that ppl speak and how she was afraid to say the wrong thing, but somehow she couldn't understand the concept of no sabes kids not speaking spanish bc they might be afraid of making a mistake bc so often when we do make mistakes people (especially older folks in our families) roast the hell of us for any mistake, so i think its unfortunate she couldn't find solidarity in that symmetry, she went on to gaslight us by saying "if you make a mistake its ok we'll help you" - LOL sry but that's just not the general experience most no sabo kids have when making language errors. everyone wants to say they are willing to help us but when it comes time to help to extend that labor with vocabulary and conjugating verbs..suddenly these language helpers are nowhere to be found. It's a complex and interesting conversation that should only be expounded on and I am glad this was done and posted as it should be the first of many honest dialogues on this topic.

@davida.rodriguez8870 Жыл бұрын

Tu no sabes pero yo si sé! Is the attitude 💯. Don’t limit me because of what you see are your limitations. I’m fully bilingual and no shame.

@johnnyc3184 Жыл бұрын

Growing up my spanish was spanglish. My grams spoke to me in spanish and I responded in English. After high school I realized some spanish speaking people, non born in the USA would correct my spanish. And I will correct them. LISTEN, I was raised with this word and that's how it's going to be it. I don't say Frescas i say Estrawberry. Welcome to America let me know if you need help with a English customer. Once they see that their Unwanted Critiques is Not Welcome they will respect. Besides Latin Caribbean Spanish/Spanglish is the Coolest. Now, when I'm at a spanish speaking restaurant then my inner novela boogie spanish comes out. Pronounce my R's and S's correctly. Also, speaking to All Elders or Mexicans or Colombians i can have a long conversation in spanish cause its not Fast like Puerto Ricans, Dominicans or Cubans. ha ha

@Bielefeld123 Жыл бұрын

Estrawberriee😂😂 that's so cute

@toniaijeli1773 Жыл бұрын

What is Chulo’s kid? What is “No Sabo Kids”? Can you guys define these terms before starting the conversation so I can follow? Thanks.

@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын

Hey! Love that you are curious about what the terms mean! 7:30 - "Cholo" and 11:42 for "no sabo kids". Please watch the full episode even if you can't do it one sitting. We work really hard to define and research these terms for your benefit and to encourage an interactive experience. Enjoy and let us know if you have any other questions.

@Algimantaz 2 ай бұрын

This video reminds me of why I always loved the latinos in my school!! Ik this is stereotyping and americans hate thinking that a certain demographic has certain characteristics, but goddamn it its my experience! Im from Lithuania lived here til 14 yrs old, then my dad moved us to the US, and I still can’t explain exactly what it is but I could never relate to Americans, though I tried every day i always left my interactions with native born Americans feeling totally disconnected and misunderstood… but not with the latinos! My friend group quickly became the mexicans at my school and even though we spoke english, something about them and their culture felt more genuine, and I didnt feel like I had to yell loudly to make myself heard, or watch what I said all the time in case someone was offended. I could just be. Thats why I learned Spanish, I have much love for those people who made me feel less alien in a time in my life when I felt completely desolate and hopeless. Living in America taught me that culture goes far beyond the tangible, the explain-able, it shapes everything in our interactions w others.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Are you listening if you are more worried about how you relate rather than to what's actually being said?

@AIGrooveMakers Жыл бұрын

Hey, where can we find the old “The Grapevine” discussions?

@genovasquez8361 Жыл бұрын

search "the grapevine" there are still here different channel

@DonovanThompson Жыл бұрын

Hey There! The Grapevine videos were moved without my permission. I would never do something so short-sighted and foolish. I’m so sorry that you don’t currently have access and I hope to have it back up on KZfaq asap.

@codyives5409 Жыл бұрын

I love Brazilian forró, norteña, ranchera, chamamé, tango, merengue, and vallenato music featuring the accordion, a beautiful European-made instrument. The culture of Latin America is very mixed and diverse.

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

Fr with a lot of influences from worldwide culture's and cultures native to that land, mixes of indigenous and African cultures, European and Arab with indigenous cultures and everything you can imagine.

@judeanrootsnovascotia7137 Жыл бұрын

Latinos are too much, My bar had a Latin America night it also happened on my Cuban vacation some of y'all got upset with me for NOT SPEAKING SPANISH. L😂L I'm not Latino just Light Skinned Black mixed with Native Indian and White

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

This was triggering to no sabo kids because its the same energy we get from the people who are Spanish that make fun of us for not speaking spanish.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Why does you being made fun of because you have an accent anymore important than someone that doesnt speaks Spanish and is made fun of for it. Its wrong either way, but you can't seem to understand and empathize truly with no sabo kids

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

I wasnt taught Spanish as a kid, so that was my dad's responsibility for me to know Spanish, but tbh id rather learn the Peruvian language rather than Spanish which is a colonial language not latin. Also you not speaking Spanish out of fear of it sounding ghetto is nothing compared to not speaking Spanish at all because they are afraid of getting the words wrong. So your ghetto struggle is the same principle of not speaking Spanish because they are embarrassed of not saying the words right. Try to put yourself in our shoes first before speaking. And tbh Spanish speakers put their trauma on us because we don't speak it which is projection, which doesn't fix anything.

@expresscookie 3 ай бұрын

If they were only going to talk about no sabo kids the title should have just said Hispanic. Why would people with parents from Brazil/Acadian Louisiana/Creole French Caribbean/etc feel ostracized by their relatives or left out of their respective immigrant communities for not speaking Spanish? Many of those people are encouraged to learn Spanish for economic opportunities (in South America and the Gulf of Mexico for example) the same way Hispanic immigrants in the USA are pressured to learn English for economic opportunities here, even though Spanish might not be the language their elders speak around them. Spain is Hispanic but not Latin American. Brazil is Latin American but not Hispanic. In South Florida we were taught that Latin America does not have one monolithic culture; it is not comprised of any singular language, dialect, or skin color. The Iberian peninsula affiliation debate is kinda obsolete at this point because then we’d still be leaving out francophone Latinos who have also endured the evils of Anglo American imperialist intervention. Indigenous groups and individuals should be welcome to choose how they want to personally identify depending on what they feel comfortable with. I don’t see why they would want to call themselves Latin or Hispanic. Many people who immigrate to the USA who are used to identifying with their nationality do not even adopt the identifying term “Latino” until they see how US Americans cannot distinguish between Mexican culture and any other Latin American culture. If the US Census Bureau is going to group everyone together here we might as well work together and stop gatekeeping younger generations who are begging to learn and practice their grandparents’ language/customs

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Tbh people who speak Spanish make no sabo kids the center, because we aren't trying to stand out because we can't speak Spanish. I literally can't roll my tongue, so should that disqualify me. Also you can't fully speak on no sabo kids considering you aren't one, you can understand to a degree. And no sabo kids triggering you is a you problem not a no sabo kid problem. You try to empathize with us then tell us we are the problem, that's completely contradictory. Yall should redo this episode with actual no sabo kid's to shed light and perspective, till then you are no different than a white person speaking on a black experience. And I know yall should know better than to do that.

@colinchampollion4420 11 ай бұрын

Stop being left behind! We are just plain American like any Anglo-SAXON ~Protestant. I AM 1 st generation Mexican and born in USA and just indentify myself as American😮

@rlly_james_smh1744 Жыл бұрын

Lawd... I don't speak Spanish but I know what it's like to give grace to ppl who make their own interpretations and simply don't embody the traditional tenets of a culture. It really sucks and it almost always panders toward the normalization of assimilation into Western-Anglo Eurocentric culture. I consider it slackness but I let ppl live, just don't try to make it the standard... please understand that there is a source material

@hepcadiz Жыл бұрын

If you don´t speak spanish you don´t have acces to the latin culture; for example: understand lirics of songs , understand latin youtubers, comunicate with latin persons in social media. The language is the key to the culture, if you only speaks english then your culture will be the USA culture.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Then I can tell you that you don't understand American culture if you're not from here but that's ignorant like your comment. We can look up the meaning to words if we don't understand it, there are certain nuances we might not get but we can all access a language translator to understand what we don't initially.

@El.Matamoros. 7 ай бұрын

People don't like it cause it's the truth and they would rather just make up arguments to make themselves feel better.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

@@El.Matamoros. but it's not the truth, I told you the truth and choose to be ignorant so you do you.

@El.Matamoros. 7 ай бұрын

@@victoriaorellana8085 Stop projecting honey you as a no sabo trying to tell Latinos what they are or aren't is embarrassing your only allowed to be as ignorant as you are cause you haven't been able to talk to actual Latinos from Latin America cause of the language barrier they would laugh in your face with all that bull you speak.

@RT-zn2yd Жыл бұрын

I'm not offended, as a general rule, by cultural appropriation at all. I have thicker skin than most, though. Why keep others from learning and exploring a different culture? For example, in Japan, there is a community of people who emulate the cholo culture. It's almost religious, and it's quite remarkable. I do sometimes have issue when Hollywood appropriates cultures for profit without diving deep into the culture. Other than that, I think people should learn from one another. No one can tarnish a culture, let alone Latino culture.

@victoriaorellana8085 7 ай бұрын

Abd then you make light that everyone gets made fun of for anything and say get over it because we all get bullied isnt acceptable and doesn't make it right for spanish speakers to look down at no sabo kids. You didnt like your spanish being called ghetto so why would you excuse other rude behavior for other peoples experiences. Thats contradicting you being understanding of no sabo kids. No bullying is okay no matter the issue. Attack the problem not the people.

@madameclark3453 Жыл бұрын

Arghhhh….there was no systemic stigma because we didn’t speak Spanish in my generation. I’m sick and tired of these petty topics, thoughts and conversations. I don’t give a crap if Latinos don’t speak Spanish, I don’t care. My great great grandfather immigrated from England and married a Mexican.

@El.Matamoros. Жыл бұрын

There definitely was you just didn't hear it. And if that's your Latino decent the you're not even Latino why even watch this.

@anehelramirez8899 Жыл бұрын

Alright, let me lay it on you guys. In the contemporary times you are the real Latinos. I don't think no one else refers to themselves as such. You embody and depict the Latinidad concept, you hold the Latinx standard onto your lives. And if that adds up joy and a fair representation of your identities in The United States, so be it... Us Mexicans from México, can shove it... But that is, precisely, what in my opinion, Mexicans born in the US are, Latinos, the Hispanic community. We people from Latin America, not North America as those born in US, Canada, etc, don't need the Latino tag. We just experience México and we are bare Mexicanos no needed tags. We are shaped by its day to day violence, impunity, government greediness, abusive working hours and inconsistent wages, limited school opportunities, extreme poverty in which up to 36,3% of the population is immersed... and so forth. However, my point is Mexicans from the US are most likely unfamiliar with México's true multifaceted and complex self, for the obvious reason that they've never experienced it. The language barrier pushes them even further away. To sum it up to you guys, us, Mexicanos from Latino América are scarcely represented by the Latinx, Latinidad and Hispano community tags, cause that is your self-representation, and community depiction within the US. So what I would say to you is that YOU ARE LATINOS, cause that is the label you came up with to reinforce your sense of belonging in the place you were born. If any Mexicanos from México ever looked down on you, I truly apologize and always remember you were the ones who set that up and no one else could tear it down. Ps. I uniquely spoke on Mexicanos from México cause that is my very well known background. xoxo to los mexicanos and the Latino community.

@madameclark3453 Жыл бұрын

I have family born and raised in Mexico who speak better English than USA born Latinos. Why? They attended expensive private schools.

@Bielefeld123 Жыл бұрын

Yeah USA born and raised latino teenies grow up with spanish in latino suburbs