STREET PHOTOTOGRAPHY - SHOW & TELL EPISODE 4, HALLOWEEN SPECIAL: JOEL STERNFELD VS GREGORY CREWDSON

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STREET PHOTOTOGRAPHY - SHOW & TELL EPISODE 4, HALLOWEEN SPECIAL: JOEL STERNFELD VS GREGORY CREWDSON

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Жыл бұрын

Episode 4 of SHOW & TELL is a creepy, terror filled Halloween Special in which writer and photographer Stephen Leslie pits two famous American big name photographers against each other, throwing them in to a proverbial pit to see who comes out on top. So today its Joel Sternfeld vs Gregory Crewdson. See if you can guess which one Stephen thinks is the dog's bollocks and which one he thinks is just bollocks. Big clue, the one with the best hair, in this case, is the real deal.
This week's episode also considers images by William Eggleston, Jeff Mermelstein (again), Aaron Berger, Diane Arbus (again), Helen Levitt (again), Robert Frank and Walker Evans but amazingly no Louis Faurer. However it does also include a variety of cheap props and yet more corny jokes.
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@createtechreviews4282 Жыл бұрын

Seriously, your videos and comentary are fantastic! I have seen Zap's work featured by other photography KZfaq channels, but I never connected with them and did not know why, until now. "Empty" hit the nail on the head for me.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. It is a mystery to me too....

@JJ_Photo Жыл бұрын

Ok, this channel is already becoming my favorite KZfaq photography channel... Thank you, from one bald guy to another!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Glad you found me, more to follow....

@irvb9881 Жыл бұрын

Found your channel via Andy Adams’ Flakphoto email newsletter - just after watching a few of Crewdson’s recent videos and thinking “this isn’t real, it’s not for me”.

@bhadriverduzco5923 Жыл бұрын

Another insightful and entertaining episode Stephen. Well done

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, Glad you like them.

@danicee Жыл бұрын

Was hoping more people would share Halloween photos so I’m happy you decided to share some. And you’re right, a lot of people are just wearing costumes, not channeling a vibe of eeriness/creepiness.

@frame-lines Жыл бұрын

I like your point about Sternfield keeping his distance from the elephant. Including the cop car with the open door, suggesting danger makes it all the more interesting. 'Whats the sheriff going to do to the elephant?' is what I take from that photo. Great episode! -Shane

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I was going to add that sometimes his photography looks like the most amazing screen grab from Google maps street view. But I forgot.

@_stefkas_ Жыл бұрын

You say this so well. Seen one Crewdson pic, you get the drift- he just keeps on drifting along. And I always envy the lives of people like Joel S. and many others who just seem to be again and again be kissed by serendipity and luck to be granted to really encounter the places and moments these images could be taken in. Imagine the thrill of finding these pictures and compare it to the crude (crewd ?) force of large-set-producing "artificially weird" photos... Thanks for wrapping this up for me !

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, I'm glad you like the video. Joel Sternfeld's luck is hard earned (and apparently he also used to use a police scanner.....) New video just gone up, please take a look.

@iraaikman Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, great insights. Looking forward to more!

@adenijiadetomi1469 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the episode, I was literally refreshing your page on intervals to check the video drops. it was totally worth it.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! Just subscribe and it should let you know automatically. Thanks again.

@12qwas12as Жыл бұрын

Great again. One small regret: Zap gets all the attention as we engage in our hard wired negative bias. I can’t get enough Sternfeld.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

JS gets the cover photo though….

@12qwas12as Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto Indeed. Was thinking of the discussion more than the video…. We gravitate toward the negative as a species.

@12qwas12as Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto Maybe a look at Jeff Wall, some day, who also stages?

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@12qwas12as I will keep him in mind - although I've got loads more films to do first! Thanks for the suggestion though, maybe I'll get round to him eventually....?

@12qwas12as Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto looking forward to wherever is coming…

@hephph Жыл бұрын

another awesome video! this is quickly becoming one of my favourite channels on here. thanks for putting these out Stephen

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them. More will follow in a slow but steady fashion….

@Snulrich Жыл бұрын

Perfectly summarised!! Amazing work, Stephen

@dennislee8253 Жыл бұрын

This was excellent and so very entertaining. Thank you so much. Also thank you to Andy Adams for steering me to this. Such a treat!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! More to follow, Andy has excellent taste. Thanks for watching.

@gordonwill6885 Жыл бұрын

Worthy winner, another great video. Thank you.. 👍👍

@roberthein4052 Жыл бұрын

Spot on with the Zap critique - have been tired of eye rolling at each mention of his "fabulous allegorical American angst a la cinema''....keep up the great work.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. I’ll try!

@sansclous Жыл бұрын

Top tier content, critique, and conversation about coiffure. Very much looking forward to the next one.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

There might not always be a hair element but who know? Glad you’re enjoying them. Thanks very much.

@WhoIsSerafin Жыл бұрын

Secret exposed, good hair creates creativity

@sergebeb Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for these videos. Finally an entertaining and foremost very instructive channel about photography. Keep them coming.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! I will try to carry on.

@riwan91 Жыл бұрын

Man, this video is awesome. In all sorts of ways.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I’m glad you liked it. Thanks for watching please subscribe, share etc etc….

@neilgenower9950 Жыл бұрын

Great research and brilliantly written. It's about time this kind of constructed banality of gloom and organised bilge was called out. Nice one !

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I just seem to have said what a lot of people have been thinking but keeping to themselves! Glad you liked it. More will follow.

@tbostrowski6136 Жыл бұрын

yet another thought provoking video. Stephen you certainly are contributing to the dialogue in photography. I confess that I hadn't thought of Zapp Crewdson in this way the you brilliantly illustrate. Don't stop...its awesome shit.

@Kalaharish Жыл бұрын

well, thanks for sharing so much new insights and especially for having an authentic opinion about stuff

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome, glad you liked it. More to follow, soonish.

@digitaldion Жыл бұрын

Stunning! Please, keep the videos coming! I think one of the reasons why I love street photography, and reportage, is that it captures ‘dailyness’. In a hyper manufactured and curated world, this is so refreshing. That being said, there is also a kind of artistry in the work of those photographers who make portraits and scenes that are carefully constructed, lit, and staged. Yes, but the Trumbo quote rings true for me too! Thank you Stephen.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

He knew a thing or two did Dalton. There's a very good film about him (just called Trumbo) with Bryan Cranston. Worth seeking out. Thanks for watching. More to follow, please subscribe, tell all your friends etc etc....

@StreetPhotographyChannel Жыл бұрын

As an old appreciator of Sternfeld photography I just can say THANK YOU for this fantastic video.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

My pleasure. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully more will follow.....

@carlitodcreative Жыл бұрын

Awesome again, Stephen....! Very insightful!!!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks.

@lazharcaptures Жыл бұрын

Great video, man. Very informative and inspiring. Audio sounds great btw 👍🏼🙂

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it! Early sound issues have now been sorted! I even have a proper audio technician/ sound mixer!

@user-nj7qg5cl3v Жыл бұрын

Another brilliant illuminating episode. I learned so much. ididnt know enough about Joel Sternfeld. And the use of that Dalton Trumbo quote - genius! totally agree. Loved it

@localcolour Жыл бұрын

So good, you know so well and yet you are so modest, brilliant insights and great taste and judgement

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you! Let's not get too carried away though. I'm British, I don't know how to respond to too many compliments! Glad you enjoyed the film, hopefully more will follow...

@SliponGravel1 Жыл бұрын

Utterly brilliant, thank you Stephen.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Many thanks! Glad you liked it.

@jamestaylor6062 Жыл бұрын

Really interesting stuff!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Stick around. More to come.

@virtualBob1 Жыл бұрын

I almost stopped he video when you started showing Crewdson. I follow him on IG but find most of his work a repetitive yawn, so yes I agree with that you are saying.

@peterkorcek9506 Жыл бұрын

thank you very much for this summary and clear opinion

@terencelaubach6565 Жыл бұрын

Superb again! Four for four.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, maybe I should just quit now before the inevitable decline in quality?

@davidwoods80 Жыл бұрын

So refreshing to hear thoughts on photography that go beyond genuflection to the artists. Opinion! What a concept!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Do you think it will catch on?

@davidwoods80 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto I'm hoping your channel catches on, so we can all laugh at the imitation 'content creaators' that will surely follow your lead. I will be smug, knowing that I was an early adopter, and ahead of the KZfaq hive-mind algorithm.

@stevescott2052 Жыл бұрын

Great comparison, very insightful.. thanks Stephen

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks for watching. More to follow.

@DavidBennettplus Жыл бұрын

Very entertaining. Crewdson's colours are great. Bilious green. I get your point, and probably agree. I liked Crewdson's photos when I first saw them, because they are eerie. Then I saw an exhibition of his photos at the Photographer's Gallery and was less enamoured. Maybe he is just impatient to get something down. There are scenes in MadMen where the camera pans back, wide angle - and we are looking in on the remains of a scene, telling you it is staged but it is true. As I said, very entertaining, and educational. Do more.

@JustinPhillip Жыл бұрын

Hell yea!! I can not get enough of your videos!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Pure gold! KEEP GOING!!!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, let's see how long that feeling lasts....

@JustinPhillip Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto 😂

@pauljohnroberts4933 Жыл бұрын

Found you through Andy Adams at Substack. So glad. Enjoyed the straight talking regardless agreeing with it or not. Hope you can carry on.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Paul, glad to have you onboard. I will try to keep on keeping on. Stay tuned...

@robindrugermany Жыл бұрын

Fantastic and entertaining. I just shared this video with my students. they are all huge Crewdson fans. I can't wait to hear their responses.

@SharonLavierOKeefe Жыл бұрын

Just watched your brilliant and enlightening video and will definitely share it with my students. I am now a subscriber; thanks so much for sharing your thoughtful perspective.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Ha! Please let me know what they think. Maybe we can turn a few???

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@SharonLavierOKeefe Thanks very much, it’s good to know that people like them. Let me know what your students think…

@krishnapriyaka3261 Жыл бұрын

I wish I had discovered your channel earlier, wasn’t expecting that t shirt😂, brilliant talk!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

At least you've discovered it now Krishna, hope you enjoy them all. My range of photography inspired t-shirts will be launching sometime next year....

@Wpoolesf Жыл бұрын

First-time viewer, and now new subscriber. I have and love American Prospects, and when I saw the Crewdson photos they pretty much left me cold. You have helped me understand why.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Glad to meet you. Thanks for watching.

@Pat-1000 Жыл бұрын

Thanks as ever Stephen .. Enjoyed

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Very welcome thanks for watching.

@geoffmphotography9444 Жыл бұрын

I didn't know much about Sternfeld but now I've learned more. Agree wholeheartedly about Crewdson's photography; there's nothing there and I have always thought that. Glad I'm not alone. Great channel Stephen.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, I have been pleasantly surprised by how many people seem to agree. Still, I guess Zap won't be losing any sleep over it. More films to follow soon, stay tuned.

@bouwebrouwer879 Жыл бұрын

Nailed it!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks Bouwe.

@larrycohen5553 Жыл бұрын

Ha. So glad that after quickly realizing I don't give a shit about dogs, I watched this one. A pleasure. Well done. Looking forward to more.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I will forgive you this once. Glad you found them, more to follow (although the next one is dogs part 2...) have you watched the bald one yet?

@ianrose2922 Жыл бұрын

Catching up with these during the Christmas-new year limbo is an absolute treat. X

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Ian is that you? (If it’s not, sorry)

@ianrose2922 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto It is me. No need to apologise. But sometimes it's best to get one or two in anyway.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@ianrose2922 Lovely to know you’re watching and enjoying! Please now go use your immense reach to get everyone in Australia to watch all the videos! Thanks.

@roderikrotting Жыл бұрын

Won-der-full!!! Truly enjoy this. You expressed my feelings that I was never able to verbalise. Whilst thinking of John Berger of all people! Love your gaze!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! Berger is obviously a big hero but he didn't make so many cheap hair jokes. Stay tuned, more to follow....

@paulgero Жыл бұрын

Fantastic! Subscribed

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Great. Thank you!

@tommywu9867 Жыл бұрын

Just subscribed. Thank you for making this video and sharing your inquisitive eye and knowledge about photography. I exposed to GC's work over a few decades ago and have been admired of his big budget image making because I am a photographer and wished I had his privileges' to execute such elaborate setups for one image. About JS, I will appreciate his work differently after this video. An image by JS created from real life scenario takes more visual literacy to dissect and appreciate while GC staged photographs are pop art and accessible for the mass. Although their skills are different, I tend to appreciate real-life more because it requires so much moving parts to pull it off - experience, planning, patience, visual skills and some luck at the right place and the right time. I am hunger for more of your videos.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I will try not to leave you too hungry.

@naomilviai1 Жыл бұрын

Ouch! SO good. Agree with every word and so enjoyed it. Thank you 🎃😂

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

You are so welcome! Thanks so watching.

@naomilviai1 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto I'm very interested in the history of all the female photographers who did such important work but are not widely mentioned as part of the cannon and mainstream history of the medium - It would be lovely if you could do an episode (or two!) with your take on them. I know you did one on Diane Arbus, but I'm thinking of experimental and non-center figures such as Claude Cahun, Ilse Bing, Graciela Iturbide, Barbara Morgan... the list is endless. I would love to see them included beside the usual suspects (good or bad 😂)

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@naomilviai1 Thanks very much for the suggestions. Yes, I fully intend to do more female photographers - although my area of knowledge is fairly focused on street plus I need to be able to find a good angle (and room for bad jokes!) I will check out some of the photographers you mention and please just stay tuned. One or another might pop up in the future......

@naomilviai1 Жыл бұрын

PS - I ran into Joel a couple of months ago and he still has great hair

@espilium Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for sharing your though, knowledge and wisdom. It's always very interesting and informative. And pedagogical too: 22 min are going so fast. Keep going !!! (please 🙂)

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

My pleasure! And thank you for the use of the word pedagogical! More will follow, although they might be shorter.

@dbugatto Жыл бұрын

I have 'Early Pictures' , it's brilliant . Top notch vid !

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I love that book. Thanks for watching Dominic. Get all of Toronto to subscribe please.

@Doogle136 Жыл бұрын

I too see the hollow and repetitive ring to Crewdson’s elaborate productions. But, is it possible his fantasy images unintentionally expose an America where it is desperately hard to know what, if anything, is real?

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Well, you might be right. Or you might just be falling in to Greg Zap's expensively staged trap.... Who knows?

@SlavaVeres Жыл бұрын

❤ Sternfield is one of my favourites!

@denismortell1181 Жыл бұрын

Creatively, JS and GC occupy different universes: and in GC's case, not in a good way. (JS's "Dubai" series is brilliant and very relevant now.)

@franforman5287 Жыл бұрын

Revealing and informative analysis, and I now must reconsider my 'infatuation' with 'Zap'. What do you think is the appeal of Zap's work, and why and how do his prints sell so well? Anyway, I just subscribed to your episodes.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. Zap has a big gallery behind him and he makes for good copy. That’s about it as far as I can see. Become infatuated with Sternfeld instead, it’s better for you!

@MatthewHolmesPhotography Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the video immensely and am definitely a Joel Sternfeld fan. I understand how the two ended up in this comparison video by Stephen Leslie based on the theme, but pitting Gregory Crewdson against Jeff Wall would make for a more interesting discussion. Sternfeld is on another level; maybe Paul Graham could be discussed with Sternfeld.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I might try pitting Paul Graham against Jeff Wall?? In an actual pit? Thanks for watching, glad you liked it. New video on dogs in street photography has gone up, please take a look.

@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie: If I have an opportunity to purchase an 'exhausted renegade elephant' t-shirt I won't hesitate. Thanks for the video - great stuff.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Ha! If I get enough requests I may do a limited run. What size would you be after? Theoretically???

@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto Men's Large. And I know of at least one other photography geek who would have one.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird It might yet happen, let me look in to it. Will report back.

@UnderexposedwithAlastairBird Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto I look forward to news, at your convenience, of course.

@jitsejager325 Жыл бұрын

Here's a +1 for this idea!

@Nerdzombiedisco Жыл бұрын

Brilliant. I always felt more uneasy about Zap manipulating the viewer, let alone his sets. Black-locked Harpo for the win. Cheers.

@gregwill500 Жыл бұрын

I love this channel:) That was great. I remember being initially impressed with Gregory Crewdson. I came across him when searching for some reference images ( I’m an art director who also takes pictures ). I needed to show something cinematic and stylised. That was years ago. Then more recently I had a similar requirement and thought I would reference mr zap again. But looking through his work again…I had the same “left cold” feeling. Pretentious arty photos with no soul and the same boring protagonists. And all the craft and lighting provided by a skilled dop who greg briefed. He’s a stills director at most, not really a photographer. Loved your heavy metal versus pop analogy:) 🤘And your recurring hair obsession! And your unapologetic dislike of the celebrity darling gushing bilge that flows out of most of the art world. But most of all I loved discovering a new photographer and seeing beautiful inspiring images. Thanks!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much, in order to appreciate my hair obsession you need to watch episode one. Hopefully it will explain everything. Glad you stumbled across me, much more to come.....soonish.

@gregwill500 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto yup I watched episode one and commented there. I’m sure you can’t keep track of all the comments. I would loose all my hair trying ( and not just the spot at the back).

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@gregwill500 Thanks for watching them all. And you are right, it is impossible for me to keep track of all the comments. Which, I suppose, is a good thing????

@MrWilfreda Жыл бұрын

What a fantastic video! I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation and summary. I totally agree with your comments. In essence chance encounter versus artifice. The whole difference hinges on this element and Sternfeld's Images permit the viewer to imagine the why's. Crewdsons, staging lacks that dynamic. To this end, get in touch if you want to see my work, I think you will love it.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. Glad you enjoyed it!

@larrycohen5553 Жыл бұрын

And Crewdson's shit would be good if the production cost was closer to ten bucks. Then I'd be impressed.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Too much money just repeating the same, basic idea.

@mrbigg2u 5 ай бұрын

Excellent assessment of the pair. Greg's snaps are dare I say it almost AI like, devoid of soul. Where as the monster clicker that is Joel is a master. American Prospects is one of my most valued books. Amazing even more so to think it was shot on plate. Alex Prager. I love her work, even though these are heavily constructed... What do you make of her body of work, interested to know...? Thought provoking video sir!

@BatterseaWerkbund Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with your thesis. GC's early work blew me away - for all those emo reasons you mention. But his Cathedral of the Pines show at Photographer's Galley left me cold. Well not quite, I felt uncomfortable and not in the way the early work intended me to: just too many scantily clad young women for a man of his age (which is also my age - and much as I .... well you know ... but there's a limit or a right way to explore it). IIR he cut a bit of a lonely figure at the opening party. Certainly no fan mob, although that might have just been timing (and of course I should have taken his photo as a meta comment). By contrast I've never once felt like screaming: "Enough already, Joel. Move on." Really enjoying these videos. Thanks.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, glad you're enjoying them. Yes, I also went to that show and was completely bored by it. Although, I didn't get to go to the opening party. Were the canapes at least nice?

@BatterseaWerkbund Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto Ha - yes they were.

@leslieditmer1087 Жыл бұрын

Sternfeld I believe drove around with a police scanner which led him to many photographs including the exhausted elephant.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Clever Joel. I think Weegee started that trend.

@184186 Жыл бұрын

I'm a fan of Sternfeld... quit being envious of his hair. Joking!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I have the Sternfeld wig. I'm not jealous any more.

@stephansagmiller5460 Жыл бұрын

The two most frequented areas in a book store are Fiction and Non-fiction. There have been countless wars launched against both modes of thought throughout human history, and yet, they relentlessly stand tall.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

True and I like both, I'm not planting my flag in any particular camp. However, I prefer some truths to some fictions and some fictions to other truths.

@12qwas12as Жыл бұрын

Both fiction and non fiction can meaningful or vapid, humble or pompous…. Just speaking in generalities, of course.

@danwongphoto Жыл бұрын

🤘🤘🤘 by the way, there’s some great footage of Joel working in the field in the old BBC doc “the genius of photography”. Think he’s taking a picture of someone parachuting to the ground. Again, must be a chance encounter. I’ve got the DVD somewhere, I should have a look again!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Shit! Wish I’d known, I saw that series years ago but don’t remember that. I’ll have to revisit and then re-edit the whole film!

@danwongphoto Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto yeah was great. I think Joel Sternfeld was on the “Paper Movies” episode. I think. I also remember seeing Joel Meyerowitz talking about street photography for the first time and it blew my mind. And I also wondered why all photographers were called Joel.

@pofoto1 Жыл бұрын

Awesome. Let's start a band!!!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Okay, although I have no musical talent whatsoever.

@pofoto1 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto alas me neither. But that never stopped the punkscene from happening, so there might be hope. 😜

@Blanktarn 6 ай бұрын

The difference between Crewdson and Sternfeld fundamentally is, when you look at Sternfeld’s work, you’re inspired to go out and capture… when you look at Crewdson’s, you think “wow, this looks cool, let me see if I could get a loan”

@russrowland1493 Жыл бұрын

Dead on about GC’s work…

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

You mean GZC?

@russrowland1493 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto the one not JS

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@russrowland1493 I know, Greg "Zap"!

@russrowland1493 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto you mean Johnny existential one note

@robinchun1 Жыл бұрын

I wonder how many of Greg 'Zaps' celebrity fans are even aware of Joel's work?

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I have sent out survey questionnaires. Yet to get any reply. Stay tuned for further episodes and I promise to keep you updated.

@vedimido Жыл бұрын

One suggestion! Why don't you produce and sell those Ts that relate to each episode? You could promote the channel and make a few squids. Just a thought. Best, Mimi

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

I am toying with the idea....stay tuned and we'll see. Thanks for watching.

@allyperry8620 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful analysis. You put the finger on what I’ve felt but not been able to fully articulate when viewing his work, it is repetitively depressing, never hopeful or rejuvenating. All real artists shift gears regardless of what their dealers/adorers want, Crewdson hasn’t done that. Maybe more than anything, the amount of effort he puts into his scene imagery makes people think he’s worthy of icon status?

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Well he's now done people looking moody at night, people looking moody during the day, people looking moody outdoors and people looking moody indoors. So there is a bit of variety! Who knows why he's so iconic? I suspect a lot of it is to do with being represented by a big, powerful gallery and charging loads of money for a print? Glad you enjoyed the film. More to follow. Stay tuned.

@charlieclick Жыл бұрын

Wow, that was fantastic. Subscribed

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much. Glad you like it?

@gerryorkin Жыл бұрын

Crewdon’s work is hair today, gone a bit later today. I can’t conjure up a single image from memory. It’s pixel salad.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

You can stay.

@owainshaw Жыл бұрын

Cool story that will be of little-to-no interest to anyone: at University I (with the help of some patient and slightly confused friends) made a short series called 'Parked Cars and Briefcases' that was a very low-budget parody of Zap's work. To get up high I mostly had to climb on bottle banks. I stand by this work ... although I've got no idea where the negatives are, and definitely don't have any scans. Still, your video perfectly explains why I felt like making that small series, Zap's pictures to me just involved people who had stopped their cars somewhere for some reason, dropped a briefcase on the floor and decided to stare off camera at something. In hindsight, my pictures lacked pregnant women.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Ha! That's great. Glad you enjoyed the film. Maybe you should re-visit your own series but this time try to rope in a few pregnant women and get them to mope about? I could lend you a ladder if there are no nearby bottle banks.

@owainshaw Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto one of my friends is currently pregnant. Perhaps this is a sign. Ladder would have felt like cheating (and been impractical given that I travelled by bike) ten years ago, but I am ten years older now. Can't hurt!

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

@@owainshaw Do it!

@gfet556 Жыл бұрын

😂

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Sam, is that a photo of you without a beard?

@gfet556 Жыл бұрын

I am afraid so. An ancient profile picture on YT from years ago I have never updated. Now is the time.

@gdmcclintockIII Жыл бұрын

While your monologue about manly hairstyles smacks a bit too much of celebrity culture, your panegyric for Sternfeld and critique of Crewdson are intelligently researched and cogently expressed. Thank you very much indeed.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

You are welcome. Glad you enjoyed it. have you watched episode one yet? The Bald Truth. That will explain my otherwise trivial sounding obsession with Sternfled's hair. There is a method to my madness. Thanks for watching.

@gdmcclintockIII Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto Yes! I watched and enjoyed all your videos. The baldie joke is not aging well. Still, your Crewdson history bit reminded me of our boy band, which back in ’69 was a power trio called Vera Chuck & Dave (after the Beatles lyric). Think Cream without Eric, Jack, and Ginger. Vera was spoken for. The guitarist and I couldn’t decide who was Chuck and who was Dave, and we were happy to be either one, as long as we weren’t Vera.

@bhadriverduzco5923 Жыл бұрын

Really? I find the balding joke about unite entertaining

@Sup90210 Жыл бұрын

Crewdson is a hack. He’s a Jeff Wall wannabe trying to separate himself with higher production value. Sternfeld is one of the most underrated photographers out there, he’s Shore with personality and a sense of humour. Also, when it comes to early colour street photography don’t forget Fred Herzog, he was shooting colour long before rich boy Eggleston picked up a camera.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Yes, I very briefly touch on Herzog (and his hair) in my first film about baldness. He's great, took one of my favourite photos of all time and may even get a film of his own sometime in the future! Thanks for watching. Stay tuned....

@Sup90210 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto looking forward to it. You could probably do a video just on The Vancouver School, Herzog and Girard. Vancouver has had a largely unknown influence on “contemporary” photography.

@DenisMark1 Жыл бұрын

Dammit, I keep waiting to disagree with SOMETHING you've said. Like so many already have told you, you nailed for me what it is about Zap's work (yes, I will indulge you - at least you didn't pronounce Joel Sternfeld's first name "Joe-eel") that annoys me. You might have mentioned that Philip-Lorca diCorcia was doing the same sort of thing before Crewdson - posed photos of disaffected Americans...it's the idea of wanting to look 'stumbled upon' while being totally controlled and edited that also adds to the facile nature of his work. Finally, the notion that you're able to get ANYTHING done with two mopey twelve-year-olds in the house is worthy of admiration alone. An episode about photographers who's work is shooting their children (as opposed to wanting to shoot their children, which let's face it, we all have felt now and again) would be interesting. The obvious is Sally Mann, but you never go for the obvious, which is why I will watch whatever you put up and wait for the next one eagerly.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

If you really want an argument I'm sure we can find something to disagree about. Kids is a possible but tricky future subject. Glad you've enjoyed what I've done so far. More will follow in a bit, maybe you'll hate it.....?

@DenisMark1 Жыл бұрын

@@stephenlesliephoto That's the spirit! I think my favorite thing in reading the comments is how uncomfortable you are getting compliments - I know that's an English thing...I promise I'll find SOMETHING to dislike in your next one! Onward!

@steveb2145 Жыл бұрын

two different photographers completely. whats the point in comparing?

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Hello Steve, thanks for watching. The point is made in the film but I'll repeat it for you here. 1. Crewdson has repeatedly stated how much of an influence Sternfeld had on his work, to the extent that he went and sought him out at his gallery. 2. The film aimed to investigate a kind of Halloween-ish moody photography that deals in the weird and unsettling. Yes, they both use very different techniques and practices but both men are occasionally going after the same effect. 3. I give numerous examples of similar subjects, compositions and tone. 4. It's my film, I can compare who the hell I want!

@vedimido Жыл бұрын

and btw, I also thoroughly dislike GC

@Neil-Aspinall Жыл бұрын

It depends on what you want a photographer to be? Sternfeld has a happy accident style and believe me if you take enough happy accident pics you will get some that appear to have a much deeper meaning than you ever intended. Crewdson paints with the camera and he knows exactly what he wants which for me is superior. If you want to see the Master of the happy accident style see Sir Henri Cartier-Bresson.

@hectormunozhuerta Жыл бұрын

It takes a lot more than just shooting around long enough to get HCB grade stuff.

@stephenlesliephoto Жыл бұрын

Neil, I think we’ll have to just agree to disagree here. To dismiss what Sternfeld does as just happy accidents is frankly just insulting and to claim Crewdson paints with light when he has a DOP and a camera operator (and I imagine a whole team of retouchers) to do it for him is being generous in the extreme. Especially as the effect he seems to want to create is just the same, ‘weird and alienated’ tone over and over again. But thanks for your comment, glad you watched it. All the best.