Logitech G923 vs G PRO - Comparison by a PRO Coach

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@TheGoose2133 4 ай бұрын

Actually when I was using the G29 I cut a stress ball and put it inside the spring of the brake pedal and it made a world of difference. It helped a lot because the pedal had a much more progressive feeling and the precision was more "load cell like" but still not quite as precise. I do like a heavier wheel feel so my GT DD pro with boost kit feels perfect.

@ririarte2 4 ай бұрын

I just went from a belt driven base to a DD. There's a bit of a misconception that DD won't make you faster because there's a lack of context when that is said. Over a single lap? No, it very likely will not. Over the course of a full race? Absolutely. Why? Because you minimize your losses from mistakes with the extra feedback, especially if you've driven real cars and feel like there's something missing from the belt/gear driven bases. A mistake on my previous wheel would usually land me sideways or offtrack too often, mistakes with DD are easier to catch, resulting in smaller losses.

@andrelip1 Ай бұрын

Not only the extra information but the passive countersteer you get from having a stronger wheel with a faster response time that will correct the car for you when breaking straight and when oversteering.

@CaptainCrunch99 5 ай бұрын

I kept my G920 and replaced the pedals with the Heusinkveld Ultimate Plus set, and it made a huge difference. Not only the brake , but the throttle is so much more accurate it makes the transitions from brake to throttle so much more smooth. Exits are way more smoother now. And now I’m doing the course and it has helped even more than the equipment. I use a Force Map file to enhance the ffb in iRacing.

@hammer313 5 ай бұрын

I did the same thing. g29 wheel and I added cheap load cell pedals. I have the same thoughts. The brakes are better for sure, and that's why I upgraded the pedals. But surprisingly the throttle is more accurate, too. I wasn't expecting that.

@jonathan350 5 ай бұрын

Where did you get your pedals? Us?

@clippzzorito1420 5 ай бұрын

oh right so you just spent 1400 euros on pedals but kept the 250 euro steering wheel? sounds legit man,,,,,

@carlosalvarez8076 5 ай бұрын

@@clippzzorito1420out of your sarcasm, it's legit, no matter if you spend $200 or $2000, a pedal upgrade only on the G29 o G923 is the right way to go, no only due the lack of feeling in the pedals but also due that those pedals tend to fail, potentiometers fail. So instead of spending $300 on an entry level load cell pedals, you go directly to a high-level pedal and then you don't spend money ever again on pedals, also you'll have to get used to a new set of pedals only once. Then you can go to upgrades little by little the rest.

@racerx94 4 ай бұрын

Pedals are way more important@@clippzzorito1420

@rubbermyducky5998 3 ай бұрын

This is a great comparison video, but not in the intended purpose. Suellio showed a massive difference in immersion by going with a DD. He was so immersed in the pro pedal with more force he couldn't even gather his thoughts. He was able to speak and think way more clearly with the g923. And THAT is why we upgrade to DD. Not necessarily for faster lap times, but to feel so immersed in the vehicle you are in.

@oosmanbeekawoo 2 ай бұрын

Recently started simracing on GT7 and just discovered you. Feels good to have a coach who has in-game experience as well as real life driving!

@parascraps5796 3 ай бұрын

Hey Suellio, great to see a Brazilian mate having a very successful career virtually and now in real life too! I've been following your videos and rooting for you! Would you consider making a video with the settings you use for your G Pro on GT7 to make it feel as close to real life as possible? I truly enjoy racing GT7 to decompress, but honestly don't know if my settings are right or just super off

@TiagoSilva-zg5gc 5 ай бұрын

Where I live, the G923 costs 429€... The Fanatec Ready 2 Drive 399€ + shipping... Let that sink in for a moment....

@faequeenapril6921 3 ай бұрын

there's also the new Cammus C5 set as well, which is priced to compete against the G923.

@oldmate4575 4 ай бұрын

The wheel and the pedals are 100% not limiting anybody going fast themselves, but I think that depends on your setup area and also what you are driving. I got along fine in the mazda, but I was trying to learn the V8 Supercar and sometimes the lack of detail and torque with the very easy to push pedals, you could lose the car before you even felt it and there is just no bringing it back. One of the biggest issues I had with the G29 was the wheel and pedals moving whilst playing(at a desk), the wheel base lock nuts were at the point where if I did them up too much they perma lock and you couldn't undo them and then also if it wasn't tight the wheel would move around even with only 2nm. Same goes for the pedals with those little rubber feet and whatever was on it, Tried numerous things to keep them stable and still eventually they'd slip midrace and you'd loose the car very easy lol. I think with how cheap they are it makes the upgrade paths for other things that help your time quite foggy, for example: A cheap ebay rig with a uncomfortable chair was more expensive than the wheel, pedals and shifter so it was very hard to justify spendng more money just to find consistency

@casagrandefeltrin01 3 ай бұрын

Congratulations for your channel dude! I am loving your content! + 1 subscriber =)

@TheGoose2133 4 ай бұрын

I also got significantly slower when I switched from the g29 to the Fanatec. I got the G29 wheel in November of 22 and the Fanatec in May of 23 so I'm still very new to the wheel in general. I love the wheel though, it makes it so much more fun.

@tver 19 күн бұрын

Re: Pedals. With angle sensors (potentiometers or Hall-Effect sensors) you can get (almost) as precise as loadcells (force sensors). It’ll require an output curve translating the angle position to better align with the force feel, of which the Force Factor within iRacing is just one example. When using a pedal set’s proprietary software (i.e. Moza Pithouse) or a 3rd party Windows HID “translator” (i.e. Joystick Gremlin) you can change the curve which modifies the raw input (sensor measurement) to output (game input) by multiplying the sensor reading with the customized user curve. The tricky thing is the setup to get the feel right. That will be much more easy with a loadcell, because there is little to no translation needed. For a angle sensor based system, you could use a weight scale to measure the force needed for certain angle deflections, used to find the points where 0, 10, 25, 50, 80, 100% force applied lines up to which angle deflection. Using that data you can craft a output curve that emulates the output of a loadcell pretty closely.

@samuelfreeman6250 4 ай бұрын

This ABSOLUTELY confirmed what I've been feeling on the G29 for a while now with the braking/pedals. Obviously it isn't all equipment, but it feels like it has gotten more inconsistent with inputs as they have aged after heavy use for the last few years. I think my biggest problem, at least with GT7 is the throttle. The window for input is so narrow.

@deadlybladesmith3093 4 ай бұрын

I feel the same. I'm on PC and mostly use Assetto Corsa. I've had to keep increasing my throttle deadzone due to phantom inputs when I was off-throttle

@darklightning2k 2 ай бұрын

Do you have your settings for the DD? I'm having trouble deciding.

@psykoweaz 5 ай бұрын

imo the g29 with a custom carbon fiber mod made for my hands and the truebrake load cell brake pedal is the best that has happened to me, got 2nd in the lowest division of sim racing in my country with it!

@mattlee2128 5 ай бұрын

What spring and spacer are you running on your true brake??

@psykoweaz 5 ай бұрын

@@mattlee2128 yellow option, but they recommend green if you're on console rather than pc.

@megustapescar1 5 ай бұрын

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@alpha007org 5 ай бұрын

My upgrade path: G29 - SimRig - T-LCM - 3dRap for T-LCM, DD, Sprints. The biggest upgrades were the SimRig and 3dRap modded T-LCM, which are like Sprints at 30kg. When I bought DD, immersion went up. When I bought Sprints, I was surprised how similar the brake pedal was to the modded T-LCM. With DD (8nm) wheel, I found out, I can catch slides so much more easily, and you feel suspension (like bottoming out), and limit of the tires. You don't feel these things on G29. On G29 you drive more with your eyes. With DD, you feel all these things. I would say 8nm DD is just a little too weak, you're better off saving a month or two more and buy a stronger wheel.

@KookiDowg 4 ай бұрын

I still have my T300 with the Fanatec CSL Elite Pedals working alongside with my Leo Bodnar adapter. Its still an amazing combo especially with the adapter because of the ease of adjustability on the load cell right off the bat. Eventually I'll get a DD wheel and have my T300 combo as an arcade rig (Initial D Arcade Stage) but for now, my setup will suffice due to how I don't Sim-Race as often anymore.

@HyperFlie 4 ай бұрын

I can’t agree more with what is said in this video! The only time I would say an upgrade in hardware is necessary is if you have something like an old old old wheel like a T80, which in my case was what I had and used for 6-8 months until I decided to upgrade, but first it was load cell pedals and then later on it was the csl dd 8nm, the difference was more than night and day but I guess beach’s the T80 only had 180° total rotation and only a rubber band to pull it back to centre but no actual feedback haha and it was a nightmare and I some how managed to get through rookies in IRacing with it

@iceniracing 4 ай бұрын

Suelio, whats your opinion on Trueforce? With it configured to with with physics in iRacing, I really don't think it's a gimmick. I feel the road texture and I think it's well with it. Driven some DD abd belt drives without it and find it hard to know from the wheel if you are on grass curb or track. On the 923 its subtle, but its useful as an indicator of where the tyres are. On the G Pro my guess is that it works even better

@andrelip1 Ай бұрын

I don't know if you wrote the book on how to be fast in iRacing or if it's the only realistic one, but all your tips, like fishing for grip, inducing oversteer, and things like this, work like a charm in iRacing. However, they don't seem to apply as well in ACC, GT7, and other simulators. In GT7, for example, it's almost impossible to spin on entry on most cars (and I'm talking about race cars, rear driven, bb towards rear and oversteery setup), and you don't feel the passive countersteer even with the Logitech Pro Wheel. I don't know how Vitor Genz and other influencers said that GT7 is a good simulator. By the way, your content is the best I have found on the internet. It's direct, practical, and it's really transforming my driving skills.

@iceniracing 4 ай бұрын

So, I have a G923. I could never drive on pedal position alone. Perhaps I should have stuck with it, but I fitted it for the AXC True Brake. It helped massively, but even with that, holding specific pressures I found really hard. That's partly because the resolution is only 255 and the polling is also pretty low. I added the leo bodnar cable which increases resolution to 1024 and doubles polling. While there's no disagreement from me that learning technique and mechanics is going to get you bunch more time, the equipment is a huge factor in that. Even if you know how to trail brake, actually doing it on g9xx pedals is super hard, because there are feet limits of measurement and they aren't updated as frequently. You'll have a much squarer response on these pedals than sone with better sensors, drive electronics, abd software.

@buddy5088 5 ай бұрын

I noticed you were clipping ALOT when using the g pro. I have the same wheel. I try to avoid clipping in IRacing. Do you find it beneficial to have more force and slight clipping with the GPro? Or, was this mostly for demonstration? I would love to know your IRacing in game settings with the gpro wheel. Do you still use linear? Thanks in advance.

@SuellioAlmeida 5 ай бұрын

I always use the Auto function in iRacing while having the wheelbase at 11Nm. Clipping is only bad when you hit the bar on red for a long duration. But flashing red here and there is totally fine, you're not really losing any detail. Auto in iRacing allows around 2-3% clipping, and especially at nords where you get a lot of kerb strikes and compressions, clipping should happen.

@buddy5088 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to reply. Much appreciated!

@migueltrujillo341 4 ай бұрын

So what do you recommend a newbie like me should get i wanna play GT but i wanna experience it with a racing wheel just not sure what to get but also not sure if ill stick with it or use it a few times and let it collect dust

@THIS---GUY 4 ай бұрын

For those with logi base wheels you can find brake mods to improve the feel. I used an eraser and felt great and theres also some actual mods that are similar to load cell

@sermerlin1 8 күн бұрын

I cba do these home brew mods, cutting eraser and what else there is... what I did was actually just remove all the spring based motion until I touch rubber in the pedal (G29). That's where I set the dead zone to and it is about 51% as basically until I hit the rubber I can't feel shit how much I'm braking it's all loosey goosey. So where the rubber begins is where braking activates and I press it as hard until 100% so I kind of am mimmicking load cell pressure braking and it helps a lot. But heck it ain't no damn load cell lol. At least it is helping me build that muscle memory and I can be more consistent. And i'm stuck on whether I should upgrade G29 brake pedal with load cell or just go straight to G pro pedals... (But it will cost 390 euros as I need to get that adapter for G29 base).

@Nordoaker 4 ай бұрын

I am using a g29, so the first upgrade should be better pedals?

@KingPi3000 4 ай бұрын

I find my brake on the G923 to really stiff. In the b roll footage you have in the video showing the peddles being pushed it looked really smooth.

@hansjunker1844 4 ай бұрын

Hello, loved your video! But i have an problem, my g29 brake pedal has a big dead zone in the beginning of travel and in the end. So when you SSU that i skuld be able to brake to 1%, 2% and so on, so its hard beucase i Might think om braking 25% but im relly just costing. What do you recomend i do to fix this?

@mariolis Ай бұрын

I have been using the G923 for about a year , still expecting to get a good 4-5 years from it , the money I could spend on a better wheel are definitely better spent on getting a foldable sim cockpit to replace my desk setup, upgrading from my aging 1660ti GPU (I recently upgraded from a regular 1080p@60 monitor to a 1440p@165hz one) ... and perhaps I might even get a VR headset, as I definitely dont have the money or space for a 3ple monitor setup (that would require me to buy 2 more 1440p165 monitors plus i would need an $1000+ GPU to power all those monitors) All the while , i can still enjoy driving my G923 , and as you guessed , I dont have the kind of money to spare for iRacing ... my go-to sims are : rFactor2, Assetto Corsa (the original , not ACC because I dont care at all about GT cars) and Automobilista 2 I dont know if playing solo career mode on F1 2020 , F1 22 and Project Cars 2 counts as Sim Racing, but I also do that too... Yeah , Im not struggling ,but with everything Im intending to buy, iRacing is definitely out of my budget

@iJohn_YT 5 ай бұрын

Bro's uploading this after I bought the Pro Racing Wheel to this years christmas after watching his review half a year ago.

@TheDrivenGent 4 ай бұрын

Im using the g923 and waiting for my DD to finally arrive. My biggest issue after all is losing grip on corner exit on slow to medium corners. Was wondering if I will be able to feel the grip better.

@rasmusrebane7512 4 ай бұрын

Turn down the force feedback a bit, ur ffb is clipping

@KirkwoodImaging 4 ай бұрын

Do you have any recommendations for filter and damper in iRacing and AC1? iRacing I’ve mostly gotten to feel great but I am struggling to find settings that work well in AC1.

@KirkwoodImaging 4 ай бұрын

DD wheel BTW.

@cheddamonkey 3 ай бұрын

How do you like the playseat trophy? Love the content man you're definitely one of the best on KZfaq for sim racing I've learned a lot from you. Getting a g pro and trophy, coming from a g920 and desk

@SuellioAlmeida 3 ай бұрын

Bro you'll LOVE the g pro and trophy coming from a desk!

@cheddamonkey 3 ай бұрын

@@SuellioAlmeida awesome I CANNOT wait, I'll be checking the tracking on my packages like a mad man for the next few days lol. I'm ready for direct drive, I'm pretty fast with the g920 and this setup is gonna feel amazing. Thanks for the response, clears up any worries about my purchase 🤘

@cheddamonkey 2 ай бұрын

@@SuellioAlmeida update, it's amazing!!

@Blazs120gl 4 ай бұрын

Is there a casual/budget upgrade path for the g920? I'm kinda stuck with it (I also removed the rubber piece from the brake because my street car has overly power assisted brakes). I have a custom rig also holding my desk, but I can extend it with lateral reinforcement to take a stronger DD wheel to also build up muscle memory over single digit Nm. While I see no problem having a load cell for brake, I only have a street car seat and I only drive street cars in AC so I'm only not looking for an all-out wrestling rig with 80kgs of braking force needed. Is there a 'middle road' package I can transition piece by piece?

@iceniracing 4 ай бұрын

Gonna get accused of shilling but AXC true brake and Leo bodnar cable

@GRIMMZYX 4 ай бұрын

I was making this question to my self like a week ago because I have g29 so I think I am ready to buy the fanatec bundle

@sermerlin1 8 күн бұрын

I have G29 set and yeah Pedal is just... Ugh. But what I did was actually add about 51% of "deadzone", basically a point where you touch the rubber inside the pedal and I made that a start breaking point in GT7 then I press as much as it goes to reach the 100%. So basically i removed all of the linearity and made it all pressure based even though it's linear potentiometer without modding. It's not perfect but my mind already is already learning the pressure muscle memory and I'm thinking less and less what I'm doing with pedal compared to before where I actually had no clue whether I'm 30% or 50% and it messed up my trail braking. Now at least I can trail brake more consistently. It's not perfect, there is small amount of travel and there is fuck ton of dead pedal zone (I hold my foot pressed on the pedal and rest it on the rubber where it's still not activating). I'm thinking of whether I should just do some sort of load cell upgrade kit for G29 pedals or maybe just go straight to G pro pedal with G29 wheel.

@Sidney89 5 ай бұрын

Whats the gap time?

@nexo_74 5 ай бұрын

I'm using a g920 actually, the precision is really the harder thing to get, but with your vids and the experience I got, I can say this was the year I had the biggest progression ever. I don't have Iracing but overall I went from the world top15% to the top5%, particularly this month where I had the biggest progression ever (from the top11% to the top5%)

@Zanooz 5 ай бұрын

That's a big jump for 1 month! 2024 is your year man keep it up!

@nexo_74 5 ай бұрын

@@Zanooz Yeah it's gonna be a mega year

@braveheart4603 5 ай бұрын

I'd also love to do i racing but i don't think my current pc is up to it. It seems way more demanding in a lot of respects compared to most of the other sims. I only got into sim racing 8 months ago when i bought a 2nd hand G920. I'm now hooked and have bought a cockpit and I'm just about to purchase a DD bundle with load cell kit although I'm still undecided between fanatec and moza entry DD platforms. After I've got the rig sorted I'm then gonna look at updating my pc so i can get into i racing, hopefully with either triple monitors or a decent vr system. It's a never ending quest for equipment it seems lol.

@user98292 4 ай бұрын

@@braveheart4603 what are your pc specs? i have a ryzen 5600 and rx 580 and can get 300 fps

@braveheart4603 4 ай бұрын

@@user98292 I have the same graphics card. my cpu is i3-6100 CPU @ 3.70GHz with 24gb ram. It was a pc i used to use for office stuff that i'm gonna upgrade but i'm concentrating on my rig first. I'm not very computer savvy so i don't look forward to that bit lol.

@isaiahcarreno-cox6704 Ай бұрын

I have a friend I know in gt7 in the top splits using the controller gyro settings

@schnurrfpv4594 5 ай бұрын

I think a good loadcell with make you faster. Not like secs but 10ths for sure but it will take practice if your not using a loadcell now

@kingardk2233 5 ай бұрын

its utterly, utterly useless if you don't already know how to trail brake. like you will basically have 0 benefit from LC if you can't utilise its benefits. ive seen a lot of people like you giving the "load cell will make you faster" like its automatic. at best its really misleading for beginners. idk why y'all preach this so much.

@happyracing3359 5 ай бұрын

@@kingardk2233 its not automatic, everytime you move to a new pedal set you need to learn to use those pedals, which can take a few hours or days. BUT having had normal thrustmaster pedals, non LC + their LC, there is a big difference, and it can make you more consistent and help with trail braking. Dont use Thrustmaster anymore, but having used a lot of pedals now, i will say that it does help a lot.

@europeinatesla 4 күн бұрын

In this video, on your G Pro, did you set the brake force to 100? By default it’s 30

@SuellioAlmeida 4 күн бұрын

I use 80!

@michaeljode4350 5 ай бұрын

Wheel diameter is a big difference. Just 27cm on the G29/G923

@_illi2rate 5 ай бұрын

Does It mean that even if i do have a pretty good budget on simracing equipment 17:33 i should first invest in a Logitech g923 , train , learn and take my level , driving technique on a good level and then invest in expensive equipment , because im also starting with simracing

@KhushnaShah 5 ай бұрын

It is more fun with more expensive equipment. So go for it if you have the funds and want the fun.

@515PPF 5 ай бұрын

Assuming you are on PC, I'd recommend spending a little more to buy a direct drive and get the Moza R3 bundle. Have more to spend? Consider the Moza R5 bundle. Moza is arguably the best bang for the buck today. Another reason is if you want a GT or formula experience they have different wheels along with many other accessories to customize your sim experience. First upgrade I would get in any case is load cell pedals. They increase consistency during braking which is the easiest place to find time.

@_illi2rate 5 ай бұрын

@@515PPF I can spend around 10000 bucks because I've got daddy's money and I want to do open wheel racing on iracing simulator

@JamesCorban 5 ай бұрын

No, if you want good equipment, go for it! His main point is that if you have the best equipment, it is not necessarily going to make you faster. Because technique is pretty similar across equipment. And technique matters most

@515PPF 5 ай бұрын

@@_illi2rate If 10K is your budget and you know you'll stay with sim racing then buy once, cry once. Don't waste money or time with a G923. My setup is about 10K. 49" ultrawide, P1X, Simucube 2 Pro, GSI wheel. For me it was all about the immersion that good stuff offered.

@Juiceisbetterthanmilk 5 ай бұрын

is there any way that I can get you to coach me? I have started sim racing a couple months ago and I use the logitech g920. I mainly play f1 23 or assetto corsa because I don't have Iracing

@oppos727 5 ай бұрын

You book 1-on-1s though his website

@braveheart4603 5 ай бұрын

I'm also a beginner, wish i could afford a driver coach lol. I used to think they were only really beneficial for established drivers, idk why i thought that given nobody has more to learn than newbs but i seen Suellio coach a beginner recently and I realized what a huge advantage it is if you can start off your journey with clear advice on what and how to learn by someone like Suellio evaluating your driving and giving personal instruction. I say beginner because that's what the dude claimed but he was certainly one hell of a fast learner lol

@Juiceisbetterthanmilk 5 ай бұрын

@braveheart4603 yeah but $179… that’s a lot of money

@braveheart4603 5 ай бұрын

@@Juiceisbetterthanmilk I know that's why I opened my comment by saying I wish I could afford it lol It's well out of my reach. A driving coach is certainly a luxury in my eyes and only really feasible for people who are comfortably well off or are planning competing seriously and expect that initial outlay to pay dividends later on. For me I'm thankful of all the free videos and resources put out there by folks like Suellio. You can learn all the same techniques by watching him teach other beginners.

@Juiceisbetterthanmilk 5 ай бұрын

@@braveheart4603 that’s a good point I think it’s better to get somewhat decent without coaching and when you want to get serious then you get a coach

@gui2004evil 5 ай бұрын

I have one. You can buy a generic load cell to install on this wheel.

@Vindisify 5 ай бұрын

If you're installing a load cell on a wheel, you're doing it wrong :P Sorry, couldn't resist.

@skltr21 5 ай бұрын

Do you have your graphics settings anywhere I could find? I’m having a really hard time getting this sim to look decent. I feel like yours looks pretty good

@jmapalmer94 5 ай бұрын

Look up ir sidekick it is a reall handy tool that will asses and set iracing to run on your particular system it allowed me to run triple 34 inch ultrawides on a 3060 graphics card at anywhere from 65 to 150 frames depending on the track. The main thing is turning all the extra off track stuff all the way down or off. I highly recommend it.

@davepiazza9223 5 ай бұрын

He's a drivers coach. All he was doing is demonstrating the difference between a DD/LC and non

@mikopiotrmazurek4048 4 ай бұрын

i think that g920 is great beacouse i have it. But when i tried the g pro i think its good but bad for its HIGH PRICE. i think other wheels ofer more witch lower cost

@Mik_Ab 4 ай бұрын

Who knows,were did disappear Viperconcept?😮

@davidwhite4650 5 ай бұрын

Can iask why you use the Logitech over the Fanatec??

@nicolaslopez3987 5 ай бұрын

I think he is sponsored by Logitech, but I could be wrong

@axxion231 12 күн бұрын

Also logitech works better on gt7 than the dd pro. Feel wise

@EmanHowells 5 ай бұрын

I would Love for you to jump on the new Rfactor2 Online racing and see what you think. I have been on a real track a hand full of times and I played iracing for a year but now I find rf2 way more enjoyable and more realistic. Would love to see what you think

@prelunatic 5 ай бұрын

Iracing is not a good game when it comes to driving feel and ffb. And I agree with you that rf2 feels much much better. Once I tried rf2 and AC, I cancelled my iracing sub after 3years. It feels pretty bland and boring to drive compared to rf2/AC

@EmanHowells 5 ай бұрын

@@prelunatic yeah man I fully agree. I had a iceracing subscription for a year and a half and the only reason for that was I forgot to take off auto by for the next year. But I tried every now and then and it's just so bland to play and you can't race close cuz the second you barely touch a car or tap on wall. Your car is completely out of whack. Since the new RF2 online, it's been fun with clean close racing and you can actually tap each other without completely ruining a race. But the ice racing diehards will claim. It's just because "you dont know how to drive"😂😂

@rasmusrebane7512 4 ай бұрын

From what i've learnt, better equipment wont make you faster, but it will make you more consistent.

@ivandoe33 5 ай бұрын

You can get some feel with G923, but it is too weak. You can learn technique but my advice for people is just get something better, some DD wheel, don't waste money on this like I did.

@misael5179 5 ай бұрын

I agree. I have a g920 and I feel if I get a better wheel, I'm going to improve my lap times a lot because trail braking is a nightmare with these travel pedals. You need to guess so much.

@giga5490 5 ай бұрын

I bought a used g920 and have been using it for 3 years, but as you said, its too weak, so I'm planning to upgrade to CSL DD next year.

@mlondipraiseworth3223 5 ай бұрын

When you say you don’t need more than 11N, how heavy is formula 4 car or radical that you have driven? I have noticed after driving a go car my car wheel becomes very light. I can imagine a bigger go kart(F4 car).

@mikepoindexter4052 2 ай бұрын

The G pro is a great wheel base, I have one but................ it has been over a year and still no addon wheels for it. If I was going to do it again I would have waited for Thrustmaster DD base. All their wheels works on it.... just saying

@ThatSkaterGuyy 4 ай бұрын

I knew it was time to upgrade my wheelbase when I was driving the Porsche GT3 on the limit through a few fast corners and having an inconsistent turn-in (since there was a bit of a dead zone in the G920) which caused the 911 to miss the ideal line and spin. Once I upgraded, I made the corner full-throttle 90% of the time instead of 50% haha. It also helps with smoother corner entries since there is no dead zone anymore. Totally agree that pedals made the biggest difference and technique is much more important than upgrading either though. I actually lost iRating for a couple of weeks after upgrading my pedals too, and then it skyrocketed. It took me almost a month to gain back the lost iRating when I upgraded my wheelbase since I couldn't find settings that sat well with me and made me consistent. Now I can't imagine going back, although I would be faster than before after reading your book. :)

@somef1ng464 4 ай бұрын

But this experiment is not accurate because you ve started with the g923 first then you got some more experience around green hell and then you ve switched to g pro with more experience

@SuellioAlmeida 4 ай бұрын

I have 5000000000 laps at the nordschleife, I don't think it would change too much. It's more the car really and the fact that I had no practice with the base. I also own the G PRO and its my "daily driver" so this experiment is bound to be innaccurate to some level regardless. I owned the G923 for years when I started, then the G PRO for a long time too, and I coach drivers in both potentiometer + belt and load cell + DD, so everything I talked about in the video stands true

@alexeichikish2221 3 ай бұрын

Please don't tell dummy things that it's no difference between dd and budget wheels. After changing to DD I improved all circuits, the cars feel and reacting much better as cars from another league, pushing don't take cars from the road, cars are much stable. So don't say if you are good it's no matter what kind of gear you have.

@mlondipraiseworth3223 5 ай бұрын

The way its so week I max everything 😂

@rickpostema849 5 ай бұрын

Then you've got clipping, that means the game sends higher forces to the wheel what you can't feel trough the wheel, so you loose detail, buy another wheel mate 😂

@bratamic1 Ай бұрын

*IMPORTANT WARNING*: Logitech ( DO NOT ) carry spares or have service centres. They DO NOT carry any spares and even the smallest issue will result in the unit being bricked. Stick to an item with aftersale support and spares. Please dont make the mistake I did.

@sermerlin1 8 күн бұрын

So then what do you do when you claim warranty if they don't have parts or service centers to repair ?

@bratamic1 8 күн бұрын

@@sermerlin1 This is exactly why I felt the urgency to let everyone know that logitech is a BIG mistake and to rather buy something else. Mine is completly useless and ready for the bin because of a small board issue. I have been holding on to it for the mean time in case logitech decides to change their ways but I feel it will inevitably end up on a scrap heap. I was fortunate to have my insurance pay me out and I have since replaced it with an alternate brand that I am very happy with. I made sure that my new brand I purchaced carries spare parts prior, and Im glad to say they do. I am extreamly disapointed with logitech for regaurding the gpro wheel and pedals as if it was just another disposable item such as a mouse.

@bratamic1 8 күн бұрын

Apologies I think you were asking if it were in warranty and they don't give you a nonsense excuse like they gave me, then they claim they swap out the unit totally. However I got told that because I had it delivered to a friend's house he was the rightful owner even though it was my billing and card information and also my friend was willing to try assist.

@jufejufinho 4 ай бұрын

It felt so awkward, let me take a guess, the person from sponsorship in logitech asked you to make a video with the objective of selling both the g923 and the gpro. So you couldn't really talk bad about the g923 or say you can get a much better deal with other brands like fanatec, moza, cammus, etc. It felt like they really put you on the spot, that was a hard video to make.

@MrJoppashoppa 5 ай бұрын

I had wheels with 2,4,6 and 18nm torque peaks. I end up at around 14-15. G pro is strong enough for most people for sure! I like a littie bit higher but my arms al also little bit bigger then Suellio's. I totally agree with Suellio's statements. Better gear is nice, but won't make you a better driver. Maybe 0.5%. But thats about it. In real race cars forces can peak as high as 25+. Bot not at all classes. Look at this indycar cockpit racing. Its insane! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKmUac1imrTKeXU.html

@AKK5I 5 ай бұрын

G923 and it's G27 derivatives are so outdated by today's standards it's not even funny. It's fine for a children's toy, but for anyone half serious about simracing, the T300RS is really the bare minimum imo.

@Max__apex 5 ай бұрын

You chatting shit now. Sit down and shut up .

@daddyfoosa7712 5 ай бұрын

What an idiotic elitist comment.

@burritoh1 5 ай бұрын

Outdated maybe, but I'd have to agree with Suellio that the equipment isn't the limiter to going fast.

@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames 4 ай бұрын

@@burritoh1It isn’t, however they can be a limiter on enjoyment.

@ataft85 4 ай бұрын

IMO you don’t know what you’re talking about. Pedals are far more important than the wheel. You can be competitive with a cheap wheel, but not cheap pedals.

@mgerim 5 ай бұрын

11 Nm is not enough for high level

@SuellioAlmeida 5 ай бұрын

Source please?

@mgerim 5 ай бұрын

@@SuellioAlmeida bro your wheelbase was clipping the whole video

@nicolaslopez3987 5 ай бұрын

@@mgerimindeed it’s clipping the whole video, but it’s probably his settings that are bad. 11nm is plenty enough for GT. With 8nm, I only had issues with Formula cars as it was difficult to get both strength and details without clipping. I upgraded to Simucube since then so it’s not a problem anymore

@nicolaslopez3987 5 ай бұрын

There are aliens out there with entry level gear (g29, t300rs, …). Redouane Messaoud is world champion on Project Cars, RaceRoom, had 8k or 9k irating using a low end Thrusmaster TX or something like that

@SuellioAlmeida 5 ай бұрын

@@nicolaslopez3987 Settings weren't bad, some clipping on high compressions is fine. I actually explain in the video that it's better to have around 2-3% clipping to get some more corner entry information if you don't have a high ffb. Clipping is bad when the bar is continuously red. If it flashes red here and there that's good.

@mlondipraiseworth3223 5 ай бұрын

Tyre physics iracing😂?

@robertcarr4172 3 ай бұрын

I mean.... you have Logitech everything.. so they paid you to say this right? that being said the g923 sucks. needs to be discontinued after pretty much 20 years of the same mechanics.

@MaksAMD 5 ай бұрын

How do they call it Pro when you have one rim and never getting another one lmao Logi can not ha Pro tag at those wheels 😂 anyone who’s on market for DD look anywhere else lol Moza is soooooo much better lol I would rather have TM DD and all the replica rims , Logi never made extras so good luck with that one ugly generic rim 😂