Liberal feminism is destroying everything that traditional feminism has achieved for women.

If that’s the most depressing one to you then i question your character.

As if dying in jobs is cool

​@@edithandlezMay I ask what depresses you? Promiscuity is really changing our world for the worse. I mean I realize that there is war and famine but everyone has their own opinion.

Fully agree- and if you question it you are told your are “sex negative” and what is the different between this and any other job” what other job can get your pregnant and sexually transmitted diseases and abused under the veil of “kink”

saaaaame men who have some form of wealth/power are just the wooooooorst theyre awful

That’s what happened to me when I was 20. It was horrible

@@FireSilver25 i'm so sorry

i feel that about any man. it didn't help growing up around many strong men who controlled everything.

Exactly. It is dangerous and the risks are real and serious. It's not some Barbie world fantasy and just an easy way to get luxury handbags.

this is why the normalization of this mess is dangerous and needs to stop. i know everyone wants to be open minded and accepting but this all just gives into the patriarchy and enables horrible men to have access to vulnerable women.

I'm not for sex work is work. If your landlord can't ask you for a blowjob to pay your rent, and if fact, doing that is harassment, then it's not work. Commercialisation of sex and women's bodies will lead to nothing but erosion of women's rights. To your point of sugaring not being empowering - prostitution isn't empowering either. There's nothing empowering in being bought for someone else's use. And there's nothing empowering in the state legalising the abuse of women. Consent can't be bought. Promotion of "sex work is work" is one of the most misogynistic views I can think of.

@@balalaika852it’s not only women who participate in the industry FYI

@@balalaika852I think we should let those in the industry decide if what they are doing is work 😊

In college, all of my friends were having casual sex with men who had no money. This led some to feel degraded but with no money in return. I think women in all sorts of relationships can lose empowerment and stability if the relationship turns, and it is not limited to sugaring. I know people who have done sugaring and regret it and others who have turned a transactional relationship into marriage with children. I don't think it is anyone's place to tell others how they should conduct their personal relationships or what they should do with their bodies.

@@balalaika852 OK, boomer.

i wonder if any influencers saying that are actually recruiters getting some kind of kickback.

a famous sugaring forum mentioned that only happens if the male is suffering from ED or he has her doing far other degenerate behavior

Nothing wrong? Really?

lol! i know, right?! I'm like is "ubiquitous" on your "word of the day," calendar?

😅😅😅😅

😂😂😂

I cackled and WILL use that insult in the future. TRUST.

A lot of us already being exploited, yet we still don’t have enough money to survive. Sugaring presents a scenario where women get exploited but for way more money

@@TheJadedJames get another job or change jobs? Having sex for money should be a last resort before committing actual crimes.

Men are prostitutes too…

@@Loganhon My point here is, I can understand why a young attractive woman might consider sugaring (a job that exploits her but pays more than enough to cover her basic needs) vs working for less than 15 bucks an hour as a clerk somewhere.

Are you surprised? Liberals like Chelsea celebrate degeneracy.

You can def pay for retirement or insurance this is a silly take. No one expects to have it on their resume but it’s not typically a full time job but a side hustle

This is sooo true. Well said

I think it's just more visible now. I followed a number of sex workers (mostly cam girls and sugar babies) on tumblr in the 2010s, and they had to constantly warn younger people away from sex work. Tumblr feminists had latched onto the idea that sex work is inherantly empowering and a lot of young women bought into the fantasies that Chelsea discusses.

Having visibility on social media is not the same as normalized. What % of people actually engage in this? 1/10000? More or less? We need to be careful about viewing this content and thinking it’s “normal” when the reality for most people is far from it. Its the same wariness we should view everything we see on social media.

@@jillhoffman9179 you’re correct, but sadly it’s just not that uncommon. I know more than one person PERSONALLY that is subscribing to this. And I am not in sexxwork, nor do I want to be, I have a career in corporate America (sadly lol) People are actively trying to remove the stigma of being a sugar baby. There is a push of normalization with this, because they shame other people for not seeing relationships the way they do. My tik tok has been SWAMPED with this content before I had to clean up my algorithm and I still see it.

I find it amazing that the current economic climate is worse than it was in 2008, worse even than the Great Depression according to many economists, and yet no one talks about it so people who are financially more stable have no idea how hard things are for younger and less privileged people. I'm in my 20s and find the idea of sex work repulsive but I have considered it. Not because I'm fooled by Instagram optics but because rent, food, utilities, and fuel prices have risen so much my living costs have tripled in the past 6 months. I've reduced purchases and barely heat my house but the UK economy is up shits creek. If I do it I'll write up a contract with the boundaries I'm happy with and what i expect in return, I'll carry pepper spray, and I'll save whatever I can.

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Yeah, there is antibiotic resistant strain for Gonoreah out there. Imagine that, as a cost for sugaring or doing sex work or being uncareful promiscuous. For the rest of your life, smelly and painful fluids from your cuchie for decades to come. I consider it worse than HIV since there is no medication for it.

Yes

Anything that brings money is good business

I thought you meant vaj sugaring at first lol

@@shreehill9641 lol

Agreed. There are many OF "Content Creators" who are burning themselves into the ground. I saw a video showing one OF Girl after one year on that platform saying she now hates men and now regrets ever doing it.

Many women do sex work to pay for the degrees to become lawyers and doctors

What we need and what people would prefer to do is not what many have the access to pursue. That's one reason why it's the world's oldest profession. The judgement, "You do a terrible thing that society does not value," keeps fewer people out of the profession than exploitation forces into it.

She did judge, however given her background, she judged on a favourable side. I don't agree with her. This trend of normalising a degrading trend does not increase the well-being of a society as a whole. There are just a very few winners - the ones who have enormous wealth.

I’m sorry that happened to you. Theres definetly an inherent classism dynamic thats promoted by these influencers or even the sugar daddies themselves. You are probably doing better now than she is

I wonder if he was trying to isolate her by getting her to cut off her close friends…

I imagine the more experience you have sugaring, the less valuable you become as a sugar baby. You’re older and guys paying for this prefer inexperience

they want a young girl they can manipulate and doesn't know what "she's worth". the entire culture is predatory, like all sxx work, and serves the johns first and foremost @@TheJadedJames

I believe it has to do with the types of jobs people can get and how they are compensated for them these days. The more I work (regular 9-5) the more I find that it is not even more money I miss the most, but more time... even though I could not spend 3 months in the mediterranean first class and five stars, but I definitely would like more free time to be spending the way I choose. And for stay-at-home gfs, just looking at how they are killing time making green juice or matcha tea or meditating, having hours and hours for themselves, it kind of makes me feel envious... before I consider all the freedom they are giving up for that free time. I see the same thing with sugaring, these people might be getting something great, but for a great sacrifice also. If work would be a much better alternative, I believe less people would resort to these more extreme ways to get what they need or think they need.

Thank you! I will never shame anyone for turning to sugaring to get by but we also shouldn’t glamourize it to the extent that it has been, especially without discussing the risks. I considered doing it at various points of my 20s but ultimately chickened out each time. It’s worth noting that not all sugar arrangements are created equal. A couple of my friends have done it and at times they’ve been able to reap some sweet benefits, however, they’ve been taken advantage of, scammed, raped and at risk of being seriously harmed in other ways. Even when my friends were being given a lot of money and they were able to cover their rent, utilities, car payments etc. they were expected to spend a lot of the money they were being given on maintaining their physical appearances and buying expensive clothing and lingerie. It’s also worth noting that lot of the arrangements they entered in started off as non-sexual but in most cases, the sugar daddy would eventually threaten to cut them off if they didn’t have sex with them. Ultimately, a lot of these arrangements seem to be structured to keep the sugar baby reliant on their sugar daddy/mama. Like I said, I will never judge someone for engaging in these types of arrangements to get by and if someone wants to be a sugar baby, trophy wife or stay-at-home girlfriend, that’s their choice but it’s important that we don’t gloss over all the risks.

Yes, smart Sugar babies have multiple suitors (even if they are only intimate with one) and get their daddies to invest in their business or education

Unfortunately it have at least a chance for bettering life quality and better possibilities than working 9/5 for below the living wage. Peeps are gettimg into dept just to pay rent and food to continue to go to work that wont let them live ok lives, hut is necessary for the economy and society

@@fehyndana7725 respectfully, I see this kind of comment on a lot of sugar baby commentary. I find it so glib. Its difficult to find 1 stable suitor, let alone several. The amounts being given are not enough to pay bills and have enough capital to start a meaningful business. Not to mention the time involved in trying to juggle being a sugar baby who is meant to look 100% all the time (which means hair, nail appointments and shopping for new clothes), being at someone's beck and call for dates (some local and some international) and somehow start and develop a thriving business in your downtime - its just doesn't seem realistic.

@@channelpersonal6172 I don't think so. A sugar baby has to meet a guy, date a guy and somehow convince him to agree to a transactional relationship. Up until the agreement and 1st payment all the effort that is being put forward is unpaid. Even if she's successful in setting up an arrangement, if the sugar daddy decides to ditch her, she's back at square one doing unpaid work all over again to find someone new. Being a sugar baby is harder than being in a 9'5 job imo.

It wouldn't be that hard, they often get setup for pre-arranged agreements by underground people in the know (like a high class escort service that already has tons of clients). They know the preferences their VIP clients have for women so can pre-screen the girls to suit those meetings and if they don't want to do it they'll send someone else who will.@@christieomojo

Do you mean to tell me that young ,healthy and capable of work people cannot do any other type of work to pay their bills? Or is it maybe more fashionable to make fast easy and a lot of money?

Lol no one has to live in Manhattan. you can rent in queens for $2k. Many sugar babies just chose to live the high life in a nice high rise in the city instead of splitting the rent with a dusty boyfriend in some sh*t hole

⁠@@Mina-hm2ogI did it so I didn’t have to work while being in college and focus on my studies instead and to travel as often as I could in my 20’s, which I could not afford in my own. I don’t regret a thing and would do it again, I ended up meeting my husband through it. I do regret paying out of pocket to travel to see my far distance boyfriend who ended up cheating on me anyway. Men are not worth my time unless they provide is what I learned from all my pre sugar relationships

@@Mina-hm2og not for that kind of money, and even if they will get hired somewhere as a "secretary" something sexual is to be expected.

@@fehyndana7725 Im gonna be honest that last part sounds like something you want to work through. Im not sure if its the right mindset to only look at potential relationships transactionally. What are you expecting them to provide? what are you providing? is that an equal push and pull? Im not saying that the first part is disagreeable, thats your experience and I respect that, but idk about that view of future relationships, as well as the dynamic of expectation there.

Honestly? I get it, and I don't judge.

Yeah. It is one thing be have money, this it is easier to initiate relationships. But a transparently transactional physical relationship would be so depressing and kind of emasculating

Sounds about as likely as finding a unicorn in the swinging community.

Yeah, we tend to only hear about the glamorous/ideal side of sugaring and the significant risks get glossed over. I have friends who have sugared and I considered it at multiple points and even went as far to make an account on one of those websites and started talking to potential sugar daddies (but ultimately chicken out). The truth is, the majority of sugar daddies do expect some type of sexual relationship with sugar babies. Sure, not all of them do, but they are the exception not the rule. Most arrangements are also structured to keep sugar babies reliant on their sugar daddy/mama and they’re given enough money to cover their main expenses but they’re also expected to allocate that money towards maintaining a certain physical appearance and lifestyle leaving them very little money to save. A lot of my friends entered arrangements that started off as non-sexual but at some point the sugar daddy would threaten to cut them off unless they did have sex with them. Sex work is work and I will never judge someone for supporting themselves that way, however, it does concern me when the risks of sex work and/or sugaring are glossed over. A lot of sugar babies get taken advantage of, scammed, raped and harmed in other ways.

This isn't a capitalism problem. This "sugaring" is the world's oldest profession and has existed in every society and system. Girls selling their bodies for money and men giving them money is nothing new.

Do you prefer communism?

Well said. The most sickening thing is we don't even live in a pure capitalist system across the board... What America has is "socialism for the super rich and poor, harsh capitalism for working class people in-between."

So are you saying you want a bourgeois lifestyle, but make that the mainstream?

@@MaritzaRodriguez-rs5kw Why not? If it's for the taking.

@@icantwiththis god willing

I think it’s just broader. In some situations it could be classified as a kind of sex work or prostitution very easily, in others it may fall into a grey area. I don’t know that people have cognitive dissonance about it - to me, it seems more to just be something that falls a bit outside of established social categories which makes it hard to speak about in absolutes. Open to hearing from people who are more familiar than I am though

It's not. They're too ashamed to call themselves prostitutes so they went with a cute name.

It's different in many aspects: cost, length of time interacting, the socializing aspect. It'd be analogous to the difference between taking a cab, renting a car, and hiring a chauffeur.

It's on the prostitution spectrum. Hoe adjacent.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@epbrown01but those factors aren’t dependent on whether or not you’re a prostitute or “sugar baby” (which to me is just a prostitute), they’re dependent on an individual basis. “Sugar babies” aren’t providing any difference in service to prostitutes. It’s seems like the only difference you’re highlighting is the “quality” of service or the “quality” of the individual themselves between the two given your analogy which doesn’t make sense as there’s a complete overlap in the duties and factors you’ve listed between the two. It simply depends on the worker and the clients needs

⁠​⁠@@melc4308no, it’s not the same.

It's absolutely not the same. You build skills and then you go find another job if you get fired, or you start your own business. And if you're a sugar baby and your sugar daddy dumps you, you're in a huge problem if you don't find another one. Which will happen as these young women age.

@@henlo313 dude, that's literally a job

​​@@melc4308Working using brains and brawns means you earn the keeps and not depending on others' generosity. You can leave for better pay or start off own business with that kind of attitude. Using beauty and sex to lure money with nothing else to offer means you are heavily dependent on others for money. Once you are dumped it means you need to find someone else to latch into, and the older you get the more difficult it will be. The former is appreciating asset due to experience, the latter is depreciating assets due to aging. It's not the same and will never be the same.

@@melc4308 I mean... I'm really sorry if it's like that where you live, and this is one of the reasons why capitalism is a death machine, but no, "a job" is not supposed to be like this, and in fact it is not like that everywhere.

Man. I love that she was in her 50s ❤

Always looked at sugaring as gambling. There are definitely winners and losers. Some leave with nothing, some leave with everything, while most leave with something in between. That being said they are probably playing against a stacked deck and a crooked dealer.

I’ve always wondered about this

Honest question- how would that be? Is he going to claim business expenses for “Services by Jane Doe” and if you’re Jane, you should be filing taxes on that income? Probably technically according to the IRS yes you should, but if there’s no paper trail, how is anyone going to follow this? What am I missing?

​​@@Amy-abc Gift tax hits above a certain dollar amount. That's why game show contestants who win cars often sell them-- because they can't afford the gift tax

@@qwertydeluxe Ok, that's one point. But still, how will the IRS know that Jane Doe got a "gift"? John Q Public isn't going to declare he granted this person a gift... will he? I'm just really trying to walk through the practical steps of how people would treat this situation. Depending on his own business & tax situation, he may want to expense/write off as much as he can. That could put her in a situation of tax liability, But, if he wanted to keep the situation hush, then why expose it? I still don't get it conceptually nor tactically. I wonder what @deantunkara1567 meant with their statement.

Yikes! You are over sharing. Wishing you were "a young, beautiful, blonde white girl" says a lot about you and little of it is good.

@@deantunkara1567 , I can hardly see what is bad about wishing that. Could you develop a little more?

What about your life experience makes you wish that? Wishing you well

@@Blahgirl283 I can understand where OP is coming from. Young pretty blonde white girls gets the most attention and the most desirable in society. Even average looking blonde white women gets attention. As a minority woman I have felt salty and left parties jaded AF because a man didn't talk to me or even look my way. It can be lonely and depressing not feeling desired. App dating is shitty too. The women that gets 100s of likes are usually white and blonde, hence why OP said that she wishes she was white. It's easy to sugar when you're desirable...

@@deantunkara1567being white means u can sell ur eggs for more bc white children r considered more desirable for things like that / adoption :/ ( its unfortunate n ive personally never wanted to be white but i get what they meant )

There have been some preliminary studies so far showing mental health issues associated with Onlyfans, and I expect more studies in the coming decade to give more data pointing to the same thing. I'm friends with many onlyfans girls and that work is genuinely soul crushing and mentally taxing. It isn't even about shame or puritan culture. The power imbalance of relying on men for your rent, and having to act a certain way to retain that, is awful in all regards. It's like working the worst retail job you can think of, while also being responsible for all the overhead/management, finding clients, etc. We as leftists criticize the "just join the army" rhetoric that takes advantage of poor men, and this is seemingly the exact same thing for the opposite end of the gender spectrum. I don't think it's very girlboss to sell this image of sex work that doesn't really exist.

Sugar Daddy should pay up.

Yes

Her lavalier mic likely disconnected so the audio is from a camera mic. It happens, you’ll live.

It’s acknowledged at the start

1:36 audio disclaimer

That should be reason enough for someone with the means to disregard getting into 'it' at all.