dont know if you guys gives a shit but if you're bored like me during the covid times you can stream all the latest movies and series on instaflixxer. I've been binge watching with my girlfriend these days =)

@Ameer Zain definitely, I've been using InstaFlixxer for months myself =)

idk what that is, but Tubi has Mike Tyson Mysteries so it's my shit

and the dad was voiced by Liam Neeson

the baby

I cared a lot more about what happened to Butch Deloria than about Shaun.

Of course, he's the leader of the greatest faction in the Fallout Universe.

Well, also the Dad was a scientist leading a massively beneficial project for the wasteland, so even if you don't care about HIM, you would probably care about getting clean water for the region.

In Megaton's defence, that's not the point of the quest given. The literal dialogue given is "I need to know if a place like that still has any food or medicine left in it." Megaton doesn't get by on the scraps of the pre-war world, it's one of the major stopping points for the trade caravans, and most shops there sell randomly generated food that would come from animal and market alike. Pat misremembering things does not a poor game make.

Kain trade still doesn't really explain much when you consider that there isn't a single safe trade route in the game, and megaton really doesn't have anything to trade.

There's no safe trade routes in any of the games, but that's why every single caravan have guards. And even then, there's a very established trade route in spite of its own safety. As for having stuff to trade, that's a fault of the game not giving way to much idea of an economy beyond scavenging.

Kain You're right, Pat is misremembering, it's not as bad as he said, it's even worse. They have no means of food production at all. I'd be interested in what they trade for with the caravans. They produce nothing other than clean water, which is such a vital part of their economy they relegated the entire operation to one elderly man. What does the rest of the town, other than the shop keepers do? Do they scavange? Have they survived for 200 years by training salvaged materials for food? Apparently not because the water treatment guy needs the player to bring them the scrap metal needed for maintenance. According to the wiki, the main source of their food is Cantebury Commons. If they survive on trade alone, why don't they even bother to run their own food caravans?

Coz it wouldn't be worth it, probably. Getting a sturdy brahmin, a merchant, and guards to wander the Wasteland is risky business. I mean, even Canterbury Commons ones can just perish out in the wilderness. What chance do the sick few of Megaton have?

so like.. you dont respect black people usually?

Too busy with his own stuff sadly

Chio Chan Genocide thats a demotion

The Best Friends faction in AEW is already filled up.

I mean...that bits kinda realistic.

"Oh my GOOOODS, COGSWORTH SAYS THAT? AAAUDURUDUR!" -Thirty something soymen laughing like banshees

Shaun Zafar the best part is it is. According to modders, it's in item slot 57 or something, so that it can be "carried" by the NPC.

Now he has his own inventory item, inside of Paige.

TheLawliet10 actually fucking yeah! Baby metroid is/was a far more compelling MacGuffin and Character than Baby Shaun. But why is that? It's been a while since I played Super Metroid (my first Metroid) and I honestly felt angry at Ridley for fucking with my Metroid-baby. For some fucking reason: Babby-Shoggoth had a far more interesting emotional connection to Samus that was introduced in the Intro of Super Metroid which had a fOcus on the consequences of Metroid's ending. For those who do not know, The eponymous Metroid, saves Samus Aran at the end of the first game. Allowing Samus to finish off that games baddy. With the intro cinematic of Super Metroid being a prolonged rushing to the hospital scene with monologues by Samus. Creating a sense of gratitude for both characters, and perhaps a little bit of guilt with Samus remarking that the baby Metroid clung to her "like a mother". Thereby invoking a sense of vulnerability on the part of what was initially thought to be an aggressive bio weapon created by aliens that were purely parasitic. Thereby reversing every notion we the player and Samus ever had about the nature of Metroid's. From there, Samus Aran spares baby Metroid, an act of mercy by a characteristically efficient and badass space bounty hunter. Making her in turn more empathetic. All of which was achieved in like 5 minutes. Fallout 4's intro did not really manage to achieve the same effect. Even though our SO was met and got shot, our baby was kidnapped, we saw our lives become irrevocably changes, and pushed into a strange new world. It had all the similar concepts as Super Metroid but failed or at least lessened its effect due to classic Quest prompt syndrome. The thing that distracts the player from the main plot in most RPGs and limits the urgency of the plot. Within 25 minutes, I as the player, am more interested in getting some cool gameplay stuff than I am in getting my child back. 200 years have passed

When Skyrim came out, I was utterly baffled by how big the world was and how much to explore there was. But at the same time, I always called out how unbelievably tiny and shitty the "cities" look like and how dumbed down the guilds were (just compare the thieves guild in both games. You don't actually steal a single fucking thing in Skyrim) It always feels like Bethesda improves a lot in certain aspects, but takes steps backwards in others with their open world games.

***** Skyrim was an ocean with the depth of a puddle.

Fallout 4, "What do you mean they expect us to learn from the success and improved mechanics of NV? We didn't make that one, so they don't care."

phantommanass Your response matches thay comment more than skyrim.

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I'd never take someone's money because they committed a hate crime... but i would lie about it to make them lose money - Laura Kate Dale

and pat is also entirely wrong about the context for that quest.

Come back later then. I want to hear them

I wanna hear them too. I gain strength by hearing Pat be wrong about stuff

In order 1. It's easier to cross the country in the post apocalypse than Pat thinks. It happens constantly. Kellogg, Lyons's BOS, Autumn's Enclave, Harold. 2. Nope, what you say during Lonesome Road has no affect on what happened at the Divide. Chris Avellone shoves the Courier's backstory down your throat even if you already had a backstory for said Courier. Ulysses may be lying, but according to him and Chris your still some asshole from California whose been traveling around for a good long time. Doesn't matter if your from a vault, from back east, an android, an amnesiac, or whatever. The Courier is still a well traveled wanderer. I hate Lonesome Road the most of all New Vegas dlc. 3. Yeah, which faction you sided with will have Ulysses judge you by. Great variety for all four of them. You never get to call him out on his pettiness or his ego or just tell him you don't care. My courier for instance would have just said, "it was just a job. I don't care if this was your home. It's not mine nor has it ever been. I'm from New Arroyo, if i ever passed through here while looking for work it didn't even fucking register as a memory. So shut the fuck up Odysseus." 4. No they don't tell you they've been living off of the Super Duper Mart for the past 200 years. Moira Brown tells you go there and get some for a book. Researching for resources in dangerous environments. The case study being a local raider infested super market. 4. No one of the first mission is not "we're low on food go get us more food". The food situation in megaton is they trade for it from caravans. Megaton has a water purification system that not a great one but it works. Seeing how it runs on rain water and not the one your Dad will eventually make which runs on river water. 5. They have one brahmin. It's not great. 6. No theres not "food on shelves". The entire market is barren with only empty tin cans and a few boxes of bleach. The only food you find there was either locked up or put there after the war. The raiders were using the pharmacy as a supply cache which is probably why there still stuff back there. 7. "1950s Preservatives so they will stay fresh forever!" 8. Yeah those shipments from raider gangs over the corse of 200 years. Guarding that shit like a dragon guarding mountains of gold. 9. Tactical nukes were dropped on Washington which is why most of the buildings are still standing. But the Chinese carpet bombed DC with them. The City got hammered. The surrounding country was decimated. The world runs on 1950s science so the world can remain as wastelandy as Bethsoft wants it to remain. 10. What reason? Did you want money? Weapon? Powar? That's how the games judge you. 11. Todd Howard circa 2011, "We at bethesda like to say, 'you are who you play'." Me, circa 2016, "Yeah Todd I am, but I'm not a dad, a soldier, a woman, or a lawyer".

I am indeed salty, but I am not a female dog. Also, I agree Lonesome Road is okay, but I have an undisclosed hatred for Odysseus.

So basically, there is no way of appeasing you.

Boy, do I have some news for you pal.

Yeah but that happened in the 80s and even then when you look at chernobly now you can see some level of overgrowth and a sense of nature reclaiming the city. Fallout 3 is set like 200 years after the nukes. So yes I do think that to some extent it might become a forest per se.

I'd say FO3 follows the same flaws aside from the boring overworld. But FNV's worlds and factions feel so much more alive.

the NV factions are all interesting imo

except most of, if not all, the problems that 4 has can be directly traced to problems that 3 had. some are admittedly minor in 3, but would become major problems in 4.

SlayerOfKleiners I never got the "man the desert is boring compared to fallout 3" opinion. It's literally a grey city with no real distinguishing features from one place to another to the point where even the actual famous monuments just bland right into the storm of grey with green filter. I'm not claiming the NV desert is a thrill ride but at least I don't have to put up with 500 cloned subway tunnels.

new vegas basically has the same gameplay as 3 except better in every way. also, 3s world was much more dull as well.

Texas Dice This! Its always good to see people actually praising the game for it's design rather than the huge nv circlejerk (which i may or may not be a part of).

Gilbals fallout 3s world feels like a post nuclear theme park, whereas new Vegas feels like an actual world trying to recover.

While you're right, the themepark crazy is thematically appropriate to the series. It's always had the wackiness

Gilbals wackiness and the world just plain not making sense are two different things. I describe 3 as a theme park because it doesn't feel like an actual world, it just feels like a bunch of post apocalyptic features and themes thrown together. Previous fallouts don't feel like that, they're much more cohesive.

Agreed Its why I love FO2 so much because it shows people really recovering from the destroyed world. Showing progress is always a plus. FO3 was always bizarre because in feels like FO1 in terms of progress and those that played FO2 could see people moving forward.

I have to disagree with you there. Only FO3 and FO4 feel like theme parks while the other games fell likes an actual world

You clearly don't play many rpg's

jawkes 873 Fallout 4 was an RPG? That's news to me.

It was, they just gave you a role and punished you when you deviated. "Play how we want you to play".

phoenixsplash135 Probably just skipped out on a lot of bad ones. Either way it is pretty fkin bad

Only Fallout 1 and 3 were super depressing. In all the other canon games people make what they can of their lives.

To be fair I've actually never played 2 0r 3, so this opinion is mainly based on Bethesda's stuff. If that isn't the intended vibe they're going for, that's fair enough

Not quite sure Fallout 1 was 100% going for the depressing vibe, but the brutal world in the game sure felt that way, with a few wierd jokes and references thrown out here and there. Fallout 2 could be brutal in some parts, and absolutely silly in other parts, and they added background noises that made the world not feel so desolate. The game didn't really portray it's world quite as bad as the first one, except in certain areas like New Reno. Fallout 3 was not subtle at all and wanted to show you how absolutely depressing living in the Capital Wasteland was.. New Vegas tried to be like Fallout 2, but they contained most of the silliness into the Wild Wasteland trait selectable at the beginning. New Vegas portrayed a more stable land that's still plauged by problems thanks to the NCR's incompetance and Mr Houses uncarringness. The people living in it are possibly on borrowed time due to the brutal Ceasars Legion preparing to war with the NCR, but they try to forget their troubles and make what they can of what they got. Fallout 4? I'm not sure what the hell they were trying to do with that, and I can't even begin to explain that world, other than they tried to portray hardship, but the also showed you that the people moved on, and the environment had all these wierd silly things scattered EVERYWHERE to the point where it ruined the atmosphere.

The difference being that the original Fallout games (and New Vegas) had good enough writing that you BECAME emotionally invested in the characters and the narrative over time. Bethesda couldn't write itself out of a cardboard box, which is why everyone mentally checks out as soon as the game expects them to care about anything.

But that's stupid. If you mentally check out, then inherently you will think it's all stupid and poorly written, coz you're not paying it any mind. "Oh Bethesda can't write well, so I'm not gonna bother taking in their characters or story." Don't get me wrong, Fallout 4 isn't written well, and for the most part Fallout 3 rehashes the first two games plots, but that's not a bad thing. You care about the world in the same way you'd care about an actual post-apocalyptic world. New Vegas' stupid "everyone you spend a week with will divulge their entire life story to you" malarky is crippled even further by most of the characters being cookie-cutter personalities, and the few original ones being either missable, or flat out uninteresting. And hey, Fallout 3 at least gives you the option of not liking your dad. It's never stated you had to care about the guy, just that you chase him down, and logically speaking, that is a sensible reaction when confronted with something like the Wasteland, even if you hate your old man; he's familiarity, he's something grounded.

I'm sure the original games would be improved by every dialogue choice essentially being "Dude, where's my vault/tribe/dad/son" ceaselessly repeated throughout every single quest. I wonder why they don't force you to do that?