5years and thats the first time i have seen that sniper punish, amazing. The game that keeps giving!

one of the best matchups

Was watching this in the crowd on Friday at EVO. I said to my friend next to me 'This is probably the only real street fighter we're gonna see all day' lol

Man, I don't really get half of what they're saying but it's so cool to see people specialize in specific types of games and love it. Way to go gamers. This makes me wanna get really good at fighting games.

Good game its intence men to see this

Awsome fight. Respect

Great Match!

you sure are getting the word out there.

Very nice match. I saw it live on stream 1st day. Even I think next match was age wolfkrone c viper vs rzr itazan zangief. gr8 match too!!

I have mad respect for people like Xian and Tokido who put lots of time into their vortex tech, but I have to admit that I find honest matches like these so much more exciting. Props to both Choi and Sanchez for such solid fundamentals.

what a sick match

or any fighting game for that matter.

That was amazing!!

Fair enough. Point is it is definitely a tool to use in your arsenal, but you must know when and how to use it.

That was awesome. Tense

Yes my friend, the yoga sniper is sims aerial hard punch, it often catches people low blocking as it hits overhead, i have always seen players either get hit by it or block it but john choi actually punishes the blocked or focused sniper such as 4.24

I wish I could frame this match and hang it in the Ryu museum or some shit. So clean. Just watching it... feels good man

Ooo the last bit was intense lol

A Vortex in SF4 is a situation in which is incredibly hard to get out of. Say that Cammy scores a hard knock down and as you are getting up she jumps into the air and starts a Canon Strike. It sets you up in an ambiguous block because you can't guess which side she'll hit you making it incredibly difficult to get out of. This is a vague statement but if you watch Gouki, Cammy players for example you'll see the Vortexes on a daily occurrence.

A fighting is definitely worth the money if you're planning on fighting competitively.

What a beast!

Team spooky is the channel to watch it on but they haven't uploaded anything.

IGN, why haven't you uploaded PR Rog vs Infiltration or Haitani vs Dakou? Those two are some of hypest matches I've ever seen.

yep make sure its got sanwa buttons in it htough

A 'vortex' is a mixup which if the opponent guesses wrong leads into yet ANOTHER mixup. The 'vortex' continues until the opponent finally gets back to a neutral position. Using your example, if after that cannon strike, cammy combod into sweep, then performed a safejump ambiguous cannon strike, she's continuing the vortex.

That's only one situation that I portrayed, their are multiple options that can lead into a Vortex, what I stated Is a Vortex, however with these characters, their are more then one way to set options in which you can continuous bombard them with Vortexes. Same concept applies for everything I said.

"You don't build any meter if you have full bar." - Zhieep Thank you, FGC John Madden.

Fighting games are all mind games.

+1 I remember this one match where it was Sagat vs Sim and Sagat kept spamming fireballs but Sim managed to win. Then again it was The Champ playing :P

damn that was intense!

I would've chosen ShinSho, but it was taken. So I went with Jin Kazama, was a player of Tekken back in 97-2005 so yeah.

good match, just wished a bit more happened

This looks like me and my younger brother playing.

go for it, ill root for you

Nice!!

both

agree

o.g choi

yea right I thought the same thing when i started playin SF ..went right to Ryu & tried to zone with firballs thinkin thats all i need..turns out its actually harder than it looks.

Also Ibuki.

Two footsies Gods going head to head, this is amazing.

He's a pretty legendary player. But then again so is the other guy. Also, there's the possibility that he has the same sponsor? Sony, Capcom or Madcatz etc. often sponsor these events and/or individual teams. So they need to advertise their products while they are commentating.

Also to adress the people who say street fighter players ONLY spam: ALL FIGHTING GAMES HAVE A MOVE YOU CAN SPAM.

either or. it can be called both.

If John Choi's Super ShinkuHado -> Ultra MetsuHado wouldve connected in that last matchup, I wouldve fallen in love with his Ryu (no homo). The way he sets up is amazing. The spam of the hadouken's is smart because it provided him with a good amount of punish opportunities that Dhalsim isnt good in because he doesnt have an upclose game. Dhalsim's strength is range so i like how Choi closed the distance. All In All, BEAUTIFUL Gameplay.

Pro means "we can spam the same combo over and over"

Wait this is the game people are saying the new KI looks like? i really don't see it.

Oh and it's John Fucking Choi.

that is what he has to do, dhalsim is a character that cane hit you from across the screen with his stretchy limbs, you can just rush in against him because he will own you, you need to play a ranged game until you find an opening

Its has. The street fighter 25th world tournament proved that the best players in the entire world were mostly spammers. Spamming grab worked and so did projectiles.

so wheres daigo

i dont think you understand how dangerous using a projectile can be :V, pretty much any wrong move you throw out (including projectile) will cause you to get punished when read by a good player.

Yeah, I mean the thing you gotta do is change your mentality for fighting games... People complain "You just pick Sagat, throw fireballs and use standing roundhouse for antiair" or "You pick Guile and use Sonic Boom and fierce" and talk about all that as if there's no way to get around it. Shit, you just gotta adjust. Just practice and find an opening, you know what I'm saying? So yeah I agree with you, people just need to learn how to get around zoning. It's a pain, but that's how it goes.

JOOOOOOOHN CHOOOOOOOOOOOOI

i loled

if that second super hit i was gonna jizz

You should get STREET FIGHTER

no, a vortex is simply a knockdown with many options. some are very hard, I.e. akuma, cammy, seth, ibuki. Others can be pretty easy like elf's, and what is with this replay and comments? did someone rewind time? is this because of ultra?

If it is boring for you to watch, then you shouldn't be watching it. I think it's the opposite of boring, like I said watching a chess match without pawns. I like the strategy.

where is Daigo?

I was mostly talking about the average spammer that stands across the screen chucking fireball and fall apart the minute you get close to them. Fireball spamming is hard against a competent player and I usually toss them at horrible time getting kicked in the face for it

Also I'm part Spanish but mostly I think Latino.

Partially wrong. Watch Santhrax. He spams fireballs, but he spaces them so well. He turns this game into a bullet hell with Sagat.

What is "sniper punish"? can you please elaborate and would you mind to the minute that scene is happen? thanks!

Really enjoyed watching this fight. Don't play the game though. Why do the comms seem biased towards Choi?

John choi is baiting a jump in with the fireballs. Dhalsim could jump in and than teleport when the shoryuken comes out. However what if john doesnt shoryuken? sabin could be a sitting duck. Since there is no air blocking in this version of SF you gotta be careful jumping and such. trust me i could go on but there is a ton of mind games going on here.

You have a good knowledge of Street Fighter...Jin....Kazama....?

How to win at SFIV: keep spamming the Hadoken or any projectile

fun fun funny :D

people here confuse zoning for spamming hadoukens and dhalsim for a bad character

blazeblu FTW

Ok im lil bit mad how he kept winning by that hit wtf......!!!!???

Mortal Kombat

FULL SCREEN TATSU LMAOOOOOO

SO MANY SUPER OPPORTUNITIES. -_-

Does a fight stick help in fighting games, and if it does, for someone who enjoys them, is it worth like the 100$

No, i understand the strategic use of fireball characters, but i feel as if anybody can constantly spam it. But i never said that because i understand its a valid move, all i siad was that it gets boring to watch

All of a sudden he thinks he knows shit after being in one game with the street fighters.

win*

What is with all these terms? Punish? Sniper? Vortex? FGC why?

Ok. Just wanted to know if there was some special reason, guess not....

You don't understand the game then. It isn't spam, it takes a lot of patience and calculation to play a fireball character correctly. You want to watch a chess match without pawns...learn the game then watch it, it becomes immensely more enjoyable.

I used to play this game religiously until I realized it's not street fighter...it's cops and robbers. It's not a fighting game if all you do is chase chickens into the corner.

My eyes roll every time when see someone thinks that spamming fireballs is cheap and good way to win evo. It really easy to jump over one to punish it for a combos and most of the cast have anti projectile moves. You can also walk and block until they corner themselves. If you lose to spammer, you probably not as good as you thought you were. What cheap is that the top tier characters like cammy and crimson viper can set constant mix ups and unblockables after a knockdown which is a nightmare.

This "XBL Ryu" tied for 33rd place out of 1600 competitors. Ii would like to see all of these haters try and do that.

Because you're consistently placing top 8 right?

Choi kinda spammed Ryu there yet he owned Sabin at times

Why is the lighting so crappy?

Spamming characters/players have won alot of the biggest tournaments. Like Chris G does just spamming. Lots of pros know and do spam attacks which is why Ryu is usually always a champion character tournaments are won with. C. Viper and Cammy make it far but usually lose in the end to a Seth or Fei-long. Eh doesn't matter, I've seen lots of pros go down to spamming, nothing new to win like that in pro tournaments since there are no rules.

I have no idea why those in the SF community are still trying to explain the mechanics of the game to those who obviously have no fundamental grasp of the series beyond PUSH BUTTON HIT STUFF. The sheer number of things both players have to be aware of at any given time in a match like this is something the average person watching at a glance simply cannot understand unless they take the time to get educated. Not condescending, it's the same way I look at LoL and can't understand shit.

What should I get tekken or street fighter?

John is still playing SF2 in his head, so of course he tries to play the footsies/fundamentals based game. While it's true that it doesn't work in this game, the game would be a lot better off if it did. What people are calling "fireball spam" is really the remnants of the original fireball trap and USING YOUR BRAIN in a game that actually required it. Want to get out of pressure that you created with bad positioning? Too bad - you can't FADC or mash ultra. Welcome to the shoto pain train, baby!

What exactly is a vortex?

You're 100% right man, all these crybabies sobbing about "spamming" when they don't even know how to play the game. This shit is chess it ain't checkers...fireballs are pawns, learn to play people.

He was against Dhalsim, who has a ridiculous range, the Hadouken is Ryu's only ranged attack, even Dhalsim's punches have decent range, what else is he supposed to do? Try and close the gap and get hit in the process?

Ryu, motherfucking RYU!!! Good game guys XD

I'm a hadoken spamming god, lol. Maybe I should go to next evo, looks like I wouldn't be that much worse than the ryu player, lol.

John did good...I could neva defeat dhalsim...everyone always stays bck n punch me from full screen n shot fireballs

You have the right for an opinion as well but that doesn't mean yours is correct either. But an assult of fireballs and repeat moves from any character like grabs that you can spam in SF2 HD does not quite add any variety, its just a game of who can spam better, nothing flashy or new, just a game of patience and spam. I hate spamming myself so I never do it, I feel like there is no real skill being used. Kid huh? Makes me wonder how old you think I am or how very old you are to say that.

Wow haha