HOTD Episode 9 is Very Suspenseful

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Жыл бұрын

A review of episode 9 of House of the Dragon: The Green Council. Primarily looking at the amount of suspense within the opening scenes, Otto Hightower and Allicent, that foot scene, and the coronation of Aegon with Rhaenys making a surprise appearance.
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@AW-xc1xc
@AW-xc1xc Жыл бұрын
I actually find Alicent's reaction to Viserys' death very in character. It's like people don't understand that she stood by him for more than a decade, and had children with him. Of course she probably would have chosen a different path for herself if she wasn't so influenced by her father, but come on. Alicent saw Viserys through all the stages of his sickness and helped him through it the best she could. She may not have loved him, but it seems presumptious to assume that she wouldn't feel sad about his death.
@mejdlocraftci
@mejdlocraftci Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking it looks like the average viewer decided the Alicent = bad, Rhaenyra = good. So yeah. I agree that her reaction was in character but people dont wanna think about it
@andromidius
@andromidius Жыл бұрын
Yeah, she had feelings even if it wasn't 'romantic love'. She was a part of his life for a long time. And I imagine she's also realising just what is coming - a very messy succession. She fears for her family's future.
@shitass6963
@shitass6963 Жыл бұрын
I think she loved him but wasn't in love with him, which makes sense
@MisakiZora
@MisakiZora Жыл бұрын
I thought she would be sad, but not THAT sad, like shedding a tear or something. So when I saw her literally sobbing I was like wow didn’t expect that but ok. 😂
@David-sl6xf
@David-sl6xf Жыл бұрын
@@mejdlocraftci To be fair Alicent is bad in the book, she orchestrates the entire coup. I do like the writers being creative and switching things up for the show, I just hope they do a good job in later seasons with it
@Alexander-kc8oq
@Alexander-kc8oq Жыл бұрын
Whenever Ramin chooses the piano for the score, you know serious shit is going down
@scottyg262
@scottyg262 Жыл бұрын
gave me winds of winter vibes
@hamzamahmood9565
@hamzamahmood9565 Жыл бұрын
Would've been a great episode without the last few minutes of girl-boss moment that killed a bunch of people and served no purpose.
@sanjaykarthicks1226
@sanjaykarthicks1226 Жыл бұрын
@@hamzamahmood9565 imagine the scene from Rhaenys's POV She wanted to burn them initially But later changes her mind as they are her family A good scene
@bierwolf8360
@bierwolf8360 Жыл бұрын
@@sanjaykarthicks1226 no
@sanjaykarthicks1226
@sanjaykarthicks1226 Жыл бұрын
@@bierwolf8360 yes
@SoldierSpiderx
@SoldierSpiderx Жыл бұрын
You can tell Aegon didn't want the crown he even mentioned Viserys had so many chances to name him king but he didn't. But the moment he turned around and saw all those people after him getting crowned. The moment all of those people started cheering he starts to embrace what power feels like. I think he will make rational decisions that will have dire consequences just like Joffrey. He will probably be influenced by Alicent and Otto a lot but i don't think he would be as cruel as Joffrey. But he will go a tad bit crazy on power and indulgence especially with the servent girls and drinking since i mean he is the king now. lol.
@demirkazanasmaz6097
@demirkazanasmaz6097 Жыл бұрын
He finally found the approval and love he desparately needs when people praised him.
@ManSeekingMeaning
@ManSeekingMeaning Жыл бұрын
I understand that he had an uneven upbringing and was denied the proper love and affection one might want… but he’s absolutely (in the show, at least) a spoiled, uncouth, drunken rapist regardless. No amount of pressure from his mother will turn him into a better man now that he has *all* the power. Power corrupts absolutely, they say, and Aegon was already deep in the red as far as I’m concerned. Fuck him. That being said, I wish they’d not had that fan service ending and actually showed him riding Sunfyre, providing the audience ONE likable quality.
@SoldierSpiderx
@SoldierSpiderx Жыл бұрын
@@demirkazanasmaz6097 agreed now I wonder if going to his head or he finally found approval
@michaelmcdoesntexist1459
@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 Жыл бұрын
Nah, Rhaenys burns him like a french toast and he becomes a bitter, vengeful criple with higher selfsteem issues.
@larochejaquelein3680
@larochejaquelein3680 Жыл бұрын
So the dragon bursts through a wall of stone and magically the rider Rhaenys has survived the impact?? This is nonsense, no human would survive that, they did this in order to subvert our expectations like Dumb and Doofenschmirtz in Season 8.
@YounglingSlayer9000
@YounglingSlayer9000 Жыл бұрын
Larys having a severe foot fettish is not something I ever expected to see in this show 😂
@za_warudo477
@za_warudo477 Жыл бұрын
I was surprised aswell ! but then it makes sense??!!
@larochejaquelein3680
@larochejaquelein3680 Жыл бұрын
So the dragon bursts through a wall of stone and magically the rider Rhaenys has survived the impact?? This is nonsense, no human would survive that, they did this in order to subvert our expectations like Dumb and Doofenschmirtz in Season 8.
@za_warudo477
@za_warudo477 Жыл бұрын
@@larochejaquelein3680 sure sisi👍🏾
@YounglingSlayer9000
@YounglingSlayer9000 Жыл бұрын
@@larochejaquelein3680 what’s that got to do with my comment 😂
@slinkbradshaw8674
@slinkbradshaw8674 Жыл бұрын
My man Larys is down bad lmao
@samuelcano9042
@samuelcano9042 Жыл бұрын
3:45 but didn't Rhaenyra say in ep 8 she's taking the kids home immediately and then she will return to King's Landing? That makes sense with the story of ep 9 being straight the next early morning after the "last supper" and last Viserys x Alicent scene. Also kind of makes sense that Rhaenys stayed the night and wanted to ride to driftmark in the morning.
@axelfriberger2119
@axelfriberger2119 Жыл бұрын
Yeah thats probably it
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old Жыл бұрын
Yep
@chaconcha
@chaconcha Жыл бұрын
That is exactly what happened
@StanCoyote
@StanCoyote Жыл бұрын
The Black story picked up with Rhaenys departure. They get the next episode. The next episode should be an epic response to the events of 9 and keep us in suspense for however long it takes them to make the next season - probably 2 years. 😌 HBO productions are very very slow.
@burakozturk2143
@burakozturk2143 Жыл бұрын
if you waited in suspense for an upcoming for years beside the old, dying man who is the key to start the war, death of the man can unleash some strong suppressed emotions even if you dont love the man. i think is most of the alicent's sadness in the episode, she waited and waited and waited for a war she didn't want to fight but the war came nonetheless and it is disappointing and heartbreaking for her
@samham9931
@samham9931 Жыл бұрын
I think Meleys currently takes the cake for dragon design for me right now. She's such a menacing dragon, with as much character as her rider.
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't have a long neck 0/10
@cjjk9142
@cjjk9142 Жыл бұрын
The bones on her skull 🤌🔥
@wittyusername1
@wittyusername1 Жыл бұрын
@@cjjk9142 are those bones or whiskers? Their should probably be a debate on KZfaq about that
@G_Kchrst
@G_Kchrst Жыл бұрын
@@cjjk9142 Because of these bones in her head creating a crown and her red colour with pink membranes she is named " The Red Queen".
@FreezErmac519
@FreezErmac519 Жыл бұрын
@@wittyusername1 spikes maybe, either way prettiest dragon
@franklyn2661
@franklyn2661 Жыл бұрын
Them being twins and looking the same is a very very very significant plot point for second season. It is meant for the viewer and characters in the story to not be able to tell them apart.
@larochejaquelein3680
@larochejaquelein3680 Жыл бұрын
So the dragon bursts through a wall of stone and magically the rider Rhaenys has survived the impact?? This is nonsense, no human would survive that, they did this in order to subvert our expectations like Dumb and Doofenschmirtz in Season 8.
@franklyn2661
@franklyn2661 Жыл бұрын
@@larochejaquelein3680 What has your reply have anything to do with my comment?
@natalytorres7286
@natalytorres7286 Жыл бұрын
@@franklyn2661 lmfaoooo, they probably made a mistake but this made me laugh
@ForgetAboutit520
@ForgetAboutit520 Жыл бұрын
i love you brother ;)
@tatskamaster
@tatskamaster Жыл бұрын
@@franklyn2661 That loon commented that on other random comments as well. He is just butthurt about the show for whatever reason lol.
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
The twins were in the books. Also, clever foreshadowing by the writers because in the previous episode Alicent mixed up the twins names earlier, then she mixed up Aegons at the end of the episode when Viserys was speaking to her about the prince that was promised.
@MaRover66
@MaRover66 Жыл бұрын
From Alicent's perspective, she thought Vicerys was continuing the conversation they had at the bonfire in episode 3
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman it was and it is
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
@@MaRover66 exactly. But in reality it was a continuation of the conversation he was having with Rhaynera
@JJJS-mu9hj
@JJJS-mu9hj Жыл бұрын
The twins where very confusing because I thought that she had just confused the kingsguard with someone else and I had no indication that they where twins at the time.
@731freeman
@731freeman Жыл бұрын
@@JJJS-mu9hj well you had to be introduced to one of them at some point, and at some point after that learn about the other twin. Sorry the show did both at once in order to not waste time. I wouldn’t call it clever foreshadowing like the op but I would call it economical writing. And if you don’t like economical writing you probably haven’t liked this whole season, especially if you’ve read F&B. This whole season has been trying to jam pack as much necessary backstory into the big Dragon themed Dance party that’s coming. Would the show be better if it was a two season slow burn before we got to the Dance? Maybe? Idk, I’d have to see that potential version. What I do know is that we could have gotten a well written, fully fleshed out, slow burn and that people would be complaining that nothing happens or it’s to slow. Instead we got twenty plus years of character interactions and development in one season. I’m not saying the writers made the bad choice by getting the lead up to the climatic crux of the story in one season, but if I was Ryan Condal I probably would have made the same choice. Honest question; would you have wanted this first season be split up into two seasons, so that for example the twins could have had more episodes of screen time so you could get into their characters more?
@TD-lh9ph
@TD-lh9ph Жыл бұрын
without spoiling anything, Arryk and Erryk being twins plays a role plot wise in the future
@GabesEdtiz
@GabesEdtiz Жыл бұрын
What? 👀
@TD-lh9ph
@TD-lh9ph Жыл бұрын
@@GabesEdtiz I’m not going to spoil it but there is a reason the kingsguards knights Arryk and Erryk Cargyll are twins. It’s not some choice the writers made willy nilly
@NekoHibaCosplay
@NekoHibaCosplay Жыл бұрын
in fact this series, as in the books, is plenty of twins (Jason and Tyland Lannister, the Cargyll knights, Helena and Aegon's children as Rhaenyra and Daemon's) I guess there is some kind of metaphor in this choice from the author
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
​@@NekoHibaCosplay Aegon and Viserys (Rhaenyra's last children) are not twins, only Daemon's daughters are.
@TheGrimHHH
@TheGrimHHH Жыл бұрын
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman They didn't? We literally see the twin brothers differ in opinions, with one siding with the Greens and the other escaping to very much likely siding with the Blacks. It's very much in line with what the books tell.
@Revellius21
@Revellius21 Жыл бұрын
Arryk and Erryk are in the book exactly they way they are here. That confusion you feel about telling them apart will pay off later. Trust. Also Rhaenys would have been a Kingslayer and a Kinslayer if she burned them. And everyone would have saw her do it. The common people don't know about the power struggle, they would have just saw Rhaenys burn their new king and his family, thus giving more power to the Hightowers in Oldtown to get more support to get Aegon's son Jahaerys on the throne. Just her proving she thinks before she acts. She really would have been a good queen.
@thanos_karagiannhs5320
@thanos_karagiannhs5320 Жыл бұрын
Correct me if i am wrong but i believe the people know about the power struggle as the stage play Raenyra and daemon attended back when he returned from the stepstones implies as much
@Oscar08814
@Oscar08814 Жыл бұрын
She wouldn't be a kingslayer because Aegon is an usurper not a king, also, the same common people she committed genocide on? yeah they won't be mad about that but kInG sLayIng is the real crime
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 Жыл бұрын
@@Oscar08814 he literally got crowned king by the faith in that scene
@Oscar08814
@Oscar08814 Жыл бұрын
@@leonrussell9607 He is usurping the crown holy, if he is king only because dips then gg nothing that Rhaenyra can do because is not like her dad named her heir years ago, no amount of ceremony can make him king
@leonrussell9607
@leonrussell9607 Жыл бұрын
@@Oscar08814 Robert baratheon was a usurper and he was definitely king
@jimbomcgee7498
@jimbomcgee7498 Жыл бұрын
They could have had Aegon’s dragon behind the stage as a show of force for the ceremony and the 2 dragons have a stand off before rhaenys decides she doesn’t want to risk a dragon fight
@DannyMakesVideosIGuess
@DannyMakesVideosIGuess Жыл бұрын
Easy solution for the writers, pure genius.
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
Very good idea! Sarah Hess, take notes, please.
@STAXXX313
@STAXXX313 Жыл бұрын
The only upsetting thing to me is how shocked Alicent's bewilderment that Otto has been conspiring to put Aegon on the throne.
@sphinxcreed8329
@sphinxcreed8329 Жыл бұрын
From Alicent's perspective up until that point she believed that although her father wants Aegon on the throne he was acting with her and with honor and wouldn't be going behind her back- as she is the one who would of pushed for him to return she saw his return as them working as parteners and a team, so him not disclosing what he was doing especially something so big threw her for a loop. There is a piece of her that has always felt as though a lot of choices in life were made for her, it's part of what adds to her resentment towards rhynera. Once she has that conversation with Rhyneys, Alicent I think is able to fully acknowledge how ambitious her father is and that since she was a child he used and manipulated her in some ways to further his own ambitions and visions of what the kingdom should be. That isn't to say he doesn't love her but in that scene and the one wherein she confronts Otto you can she her realizing that his love for her is secondary to getting what he wants. I'm in the film industry myself so these are just my observations from bread crumbs and scenes through the episode and overall season☺️
@chrisrubin6445
@chrisrubin6445 Жыл бұрын
@@sphinxcreed8329 i mean Alicent raised Aegon constantly telling him he would be king, Aemond clearly was also raised the same, she was constantly telling them to never be friends with Jace and Luke because of their hair color, its pretty clear Alicent always intended to usurp Rhaenyra and her acting shocked and bewildered was just her mask of righteousness.
@chrisrubin6445
@chrisrubin6445 Жыл бұрын
@Ali Chaudhry yes, Aegon seems very prepared for the throne, good job Alicent.
@unc54
@unc54 Жыл бұрын
Yeah her naivete was odd. Like for years she raised her son to be King. Like did she really feel that if Viserys didn't change his mind that was it?
@joeysalazar98
@joeysalazar98 2 ай бұрын
Yeah the shocked pikachu moment was bizarre and made me think about this: Episode 6: Alicent: “If Rhaenyra comes into power, your very life could be forfeit. Aemond’s as well. She could move to cut off any challenge to her succession. You are the challenge, Aegon! Simply by living and breathing!” Episode 7: Aemond said that Helaena was going to be Aegon’s Queen. Gee I wonder who he heard that one from… Also Episode 7: Otto: “I’ve never seen that side of you, my daughter. I even doubted its existence.” Alicent: “It was an ugly thing and I regret it.” Otto: “We play an ugly game. And now I see that you have the determination to win it.” Episode 8: The entire purpose of Vaemond’s petition for the succession of Driftmark, thus leading to the potential event of Rhaenyra being legally disinherited. Hmmmmm…. I guess Alicent kinda forgot about the plot to usurp Rhaenyra.
@GinoBtheman
@GinoBtheman Жыл бұрын
Finding Aegon’s bastard was a pretty big deal
@vanquish421
@vanquish421 Жыл бұрын
And that's just one of many.
@xeronix9774
@xeronix9774 Жыл бұрын
imagine how many there are🫢
@GinoBtheman
@GinoBtheman Жыл бұрын
@@vanquish421 but I guess that’s not important at all because Arryck and Erryck are too confusing!
@vanquish421
@vanquish421 Жыл бұрын
@@GinoBtheman Yeah, this wasn't his best video. He also slams Rhaenys for killing innocent people, but right before that he said he came around to Aegon in the span of just a few minutes? Right after they showed us he literally pits his own rape babies against each other? K.
@michaelmcdoesntexist1459
@michaelmcdoesntexist1459 Жыл бұрын
@@GinoBtheman yeah. How stupid from the writers to make this twins with the same name for the show. It surely has nothing of importance later nor was in the source book... seriously, that complain was stupid.
@valasarius
@valasarius Жыл бұрын
Heleana is so innocent in all this. So far she might be the purest of all the characters...which is not good in the Game of Thrones Universe...somebody please give this poor girl a hug and a dog.
@gregb6334
@gregb6334 Жыл бұрын
Oh, if you only knew what happens later…
@valasarius
@valasarius Жыл бұрын
@@gregb6334 i do...i do know it...and thats why its so heartbraking
@DannyMakesVideosIGuess
@DannyMakesVideosIGuess Жыл бұрын
@@valasarius WHAT DOES THIS MEAN. LEAVE MAH HOMIE HELEANA ALONE SHE'S TOO PURE FOR THIS WORLD. (I don't actually want to know but I assume it's tragic af)
@valasarius
@valasarius Жыл бұрын
@@DannyMakesVideosIGuess thats normal to assume in the GoT World. But yes...she iiiis to pure for all this
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
​@@DannyMakesVideosIGuess SPOILER No, I'm not going to do this to you. You're a good fella.
@DurpyKraken
@DurpyKraken Жыл бұрын
Is no one gonna talk about how badass the coronation was? The presentation along with the music just makes that scene so well done
@sou713
@sou713 Жыл бұрын
Finally some appreciation for the somber start of the episode. That was so masterfully crafted to represent the dark times ahead, it even made me feel cold
@domskillet5744
@domskillet5744 Жыл бұрын
The weird part about Rhaenys popping up out of the floor is that she's not wearing a helmet and should've gotten obliterated by the debris that's flying around everywhere lol. Well that and she casually just murdered like a thousand civilians but spares the greens who actually are her enemies. They definitely could've done that scene better, but it's by no means a show or episode ruiner.
@milumav
@milumav Жыл бұрын
Her dragon has horns/spikes on its head, it can ram its way through rock and stone and if she ducked down, she would have been fine, as the power of the thrust of its huge spiked head was more than enough to send the debris outwards and away from Rhaenys, (imho). At first I too was taken aback at Rhaenys killing several of the townsfolk as well, but then I thought about it in the GOT context. Sure, some of the townsfolk got killed, but if all it takes for evil to win is for good people to do nothing, then all of those people were complicit by not only accepting but actually celebrating the usurping of the Iron Throne (to the point of giving Aegon a bulge in his pants), instead of rising up and rebelling against that audacious brazen act of treason, and were literally welcoming pure unchecked corruption, chaos and destruction, (those power hungry a-holes would think twice before planning a takeover if they actually believed it would result in a rebellion). Like the freeing of the slaves in GOT, they had to willingly rise up and rebel against their masters. It'a true that rising up means some people would no doubt be killed, but allowing and even celebrating a hostile takeover of the entire 7 kingdoms would inevitably result in more suffering and death for them in the long run. (The show's message to not be evil murderous usurping megalomaniacs is an obvious one, but the message warning against being complicit in the face of absolute corruption and extreme abuse of power, would be a valuable one.) Just thought I'd offer up another possible interpretation of the scene.
@holysecret2
@holysecret2 Жыл бұрын
A heroic moment indeed, just like that time where Daenerys liberated King's Landing. Very heroic
@justinehelene4831
@justinehelene4831 Жыл бұрын
Alot of people have been saying it doesn't make sense Rhaenys' dragon pushed its was up without any harm coming to Rhaenys. Which is fair. Bursting through stone and all the debris that comes down and she has no helmet or anything. Pretty silly.
@esmile101
@esmile101 Жыл бұрын
After the dinner scene last episode Rhaenyra says something along the lines of taking the children back home to Dragonstone and returning on her dragon so i'm guessing she left right after to Dragonstone with Daemon and her kids
@anveshatripathi7034
@anveshatripathi7034 Жыл бұрын
yeah but still, did they really leave in the dead of night? I assumed that they would leave the next day and that the night would be spent cooling off from the dinner. The writers kind of screwed the pooch on the continuity this episode.
@danielmacdonald9287
@danielmacdonald9287 Жыл бұрын
@@anveshatripathi7034 The left in the evening. There was clearly quite a bit of time between the supper and the scene where Viseys dies. Pretty clear honestly.
@anveshatripathi7034
@anveshatripathi7034 Жыл бұрын
I think this episode really cemented the idea of Alicent being a good person who was just caught up in the conditioning of her father. Her choice and adamant stand of not killing Rhaenyra and her children and actually crying over Viserys's death tells us that she hasn't truly lost her humanity yet. Also that scene with larys made me ache for her because it's so tragic how she thinks she needs to maintain Larys's "friendship" and is ready to pay whatever "price", even when she absolutely doesn't. It's her paranoia that was fed to her by her father that makes her think that there is a bigger threat and she needs to do whatever to combat it, which makes her seem like a villain, but this episode really humanised her and gave us a perfect "grey character". Though I am still Team Black, I have a shade more respect for Alicent's character now.
@sanjaykarthicks1226
@sanjaykarthicks1226 Жыл бұрын
I'm a black and I feel the same too
@stephenjenkins7971
@stephenjenkins7971 Жыл бұрын
Otto isn't wrong whatsoever, though. Rhaenyra, whether now or in the future, may have no choice but to purge Alicent's family purely due to the possibilities of other nobles trying to force Alicent's sons on the throne. From a historical and GoT standpoint, that's 100% a fair thing to be wary about. I don't have much respect for Alicent, but acting like it's mere paranoia when Rhaenyra has already exhibited cruel tendencies is hilarious.
@sanjaykarthicks1226
@sanjaykarthicks1226 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenjenkins7971 Rhaenyra wasn't cruel though She became truly paranoid when she lost her elder sons and when some dragon riders betrayed her
@stephenjenkins7971
@stephenjenkins7971 Жыл бұрын
@@sanjaykarthicks1226 She implicitly asked for anyone telling the truth about her son's lineage to lose their tongues, did she not? How is that not cruel?
@sanjaykarthicks1226
@sanjaykarthicks1226 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenjenkins7971 that is said by Viserys though, not Rhaenyra
@MrGetownedLP
@MrGetownedLP Жыл бұрын
Otto's "as you wish" as Allicent leaves was so well done man HOLY
@mirandamalone6060
@mirandamalone6060 Жыл бұрын
The council meeting made me cry, seeing Viscerys’ hopes for his succession and family being destroyed. Lord Beesbury’s death was the peak of that
@fragnichtwasfuersaft
@fragnichtwasfuersaft Жыл бұрын
Aemond getting a lot of Screentime already makes the Episode good
@Dyen55
@Dyen55 Жыл бұрын
This review had me dying!! "Otto's feet are next" hahaha I love your videos so much
@Argos-xb8ek
@Argos-xb8ek Жыл бұрын
That Hightower Theme mixing in with Aegon II for his coronation was nice
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
Also Bobby B theme
@LegaLImmigrnt
@LegaLImmigrnt Жыл бұрын
I think it's weird that Alicent is so adamant about viserys final word when he was on deaths door, you think anything he says would need to be taken with a pile of salt. Everyone is aware that viserys wouldn't change his mind except for Alicent
@G0TIMAN
@G0TIMAN Жыл бұрын
Why is that weird? That's what he said to her
@xenocide1307
@xenocide1307 Жыл бұрын
@@G0TIMAN Nothing he said to her made sense though. It was a bunch of gibberish and some names. If he said "Our son Aegon should inherit the Iron Throne and not Rhaenyra" that would be one thing, but that's not at all what happened. She interpreted a dying man's words, whose faculties have been compromised by Milk of the Poppy, as something very specific AND different because she lacked the context of the larger prophecy.
@G0TIMAN
@G0TIMAN Жыл бұрын
@@xenocide1307 But he was sober this day.
@sculptureofsound2
@sculptureofsound2 Жыл бұрын
@@G0TIMAN no he wasn't, she had literally just given him poppy. Plus he was delirious with pain anyway. Why tf would he use his last strength to defend Rhaenyra and Lucerys just to change his mind last minute? Alicent is gaslighting herself.
@stephenjenkins7971
@stephenjenkins7971 Жыл бұрын
@@xenocide1307 An old man being barely lucid enough to say "Aegon should be heir" to her is 100% fair. Idk why you need it spelled out for you in order to take it as fact when 99% of people do much more with less.
@Frexican54
@Frexican54 Жыл бұрын
That ending with the Dragon coming out of the ground was pretty ridiculous and seems like something that D&D would have done.
@LeChina
@LeChina Жыл бұрын
That shxt was hype af.
@aliakram6675
@aliakram6675 Жыл бұрын
@@asimhussain8716 nope.
@baba_tdog1071
@baba_tdog1071 Жыл бұрын
@@LeChina true. I did say "those poor peasants got forced to ve there and got killed for no reason 😭"
@boots4snootin571
@boots4snootin571 Жыл бұрын
@@LeChina this dude thought arya icing the night king was hype as fuk
@LeChina
@LeChina Жыл бұрын
@@boots4snootin571 apples and oranges my guy.
@richardvillalobos4035
@richardvillalobos4035 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the Rhaenys's scene was pretty confusing. But I think a sense of urgency could have worked better, like the kingsguard surrounding her or bolts getting ready to fire, it would have make more sense as she was ready to attack but have to flee for protection. The acting was a little off as well, I mean, I know the siblings (Aegon, Helaena and Aemond) have dragons on their own but even so, Otto, Cole and the others were not that shocked to be completely defenseless and exposed in front of Meleys, especially taken into account that by their understanding she is still locked inside her room, the expressions were not that realistic, with the exception of Alicent shielding Aegon and closing her eyes like accepting their fate. But overall I like the episode, the tension and atmosphere was great.
@tomy_blon7355
@tomy_blon7355 Жыл бұрын
I might be pulling this out my ass but maybe she had to leave since the doors were closing to fast. Still could’ve been written better🤷🏻
@Lutzifalilia
@Lutzifalilia Жыл бұрын
Yea the acting was off in this scene.
@Nikolas5842
@Nikolas5842 Жыл бұрын
@@tomy_blon7355 Come on she bursted on the dragon through the rock and floor. Some random doors and roof of the Church are not a problem.
@alexpiney2810
@alexpiney2810 Жыл бұрын
Need a supercut of HotD but it's just close ups of Harrold Westerling turning his head (as they have shown this throughout the season and not just this episode)
@belleatkinson461
@belleatkinson461 Жыл бұрын
This episode was the closest thing to AGOAT era Thrones, with the tension, the suspense, the uncertainty, the ruthless purges. "You desire not to be free but to make a window in the wall of your prison." Wow! That one cuts deep! The visuals set the tone. So does the Hightower theme. King’s Landing without Viserys already feeling dark, empty and ominous. The way everything is filmed during the Alicent Rhaenys scene or the Otto Alicent scene. The ominous low lighting, Otto looking calm and nefarious as ever. Alicent struggling against her destiny. The little rays of the setting sun pouring in to mirror the metaphorical window. Beautifully shot. "Reluctance to murder is not a weakness." Very moral. But it's the Ned trap of mercy. Btw randomly laughing thinking just how good it was to insert the "every woman is an image of the mother" line. It's such a nuclear grade d bag thing to say. The viceral reaction people have the moment Criston is on screen..it's Olly levels of hatred lol. Criston has become one of the most hated characters in Thrones world. I love it!
@nicolasleroux5302
@nicolasleroux5302 Жыл бұрын
The queen who never was just dragon’d dozens of civilians and everyone cheered for her ._.
@Sulejmani123
@Sulejmani123 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, royals don’t give a shit about peasants, you thought Rhaenys was a pure hearted human?😅
@david91lvb
@david91lvb Жыл бұрын
They don't matter
@chaotic-doxxer
@chaotic-doxxer Жыл бұрын
It was satisfying watching shifty peasants die like that lmao
@nicbahtin4774
@nicbahtin4774 Жыл бұрын
"The citizens will remember that"
@chaotic-doxxer
@chaotic-doxxer Жыл бұрын
@@nicbahtin4774 “what citizens?”
@jacopoabbruscato9271
@jacopoabbruscato9271 Жыл бұрын
Larys gets off on having the most powerful woman in the realm degrade herself for him more than any body fetish, I believe
@carmenworrall358
@carmenworrall358 Жыл бұрын
I see it as Rhaenys wanting to avoid war. She didn’t want to be the first kinslayer
@bretzel8889
@bretzel8889 Жыл бұрын
Noone will talk about the White Worm and Otto conversation?It was magnificent.. "There is no power but what the people allow you to take"
@valentin7693
@valentin7693 Жыл бұрын
"power resides were men believe it resides"
@metamorphosen3928
@metamorphosen3928 Жыл бұрын
This is what I've been saying! This episode felt like a white house political thriller with a "race against time" feel from start to finish suspense. The reddit fandom is going "S8 tier shIt, show ruined" & stan twitter going "yass queen! Rhaenys the best!". It's two conflicted groups as usual..but everybody hung up over Rhaenys. Regardless of what you felt about the gratuitous last 5 mins. I thought the rest of the episode was actually fantastic. I love nothing more than the political aspects of the series. When Otto was moving the chess pieces, Beesbury yelling..I was on the edge of my seat. Tom Glynn-Carney showed excellent range as Aegon. But unfortunately everything overshadowed by 5 mins of Rhaenys.
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
Besides the Dragonpit bullshit, the entire episode was very good, Beesbury in particular was amazing. Lord Commander Westerling too. I wasn't on the edge of my seat. I was literally STANDING the whole time.
@metamorphosen3928
@metamorphosen3928 Жыл бұрын
@@ultimateshipper8997 Fully agreed. This had some of the best political aspects of classic got.
@demirkazanasmaz6097
@demirkazanasmaz6097 Жыл бұрын
Final scene was fan service, it was nonseless. We could see the most beautiful dragon in the realm, which is Sunfyre, instead of the final scene.
@trolluu2368
@trolluu2368 Жыл бұрын
Was needed to explain how The black were to find out about visarys death
@spearshake4771
@spearshake4771 Жыл бұрын
I really thought we would see Aegon mounting Sunfyre and flying over KL as a sort of "embracing the crown" moment. But alas we were robbed of it because girl power had to be shown. Even if it wasn't really a girl power moment its whole execution is dumb. It was an amazing visual spectacle for sure but Season 8 were also filled with those.
@aureum7479
@aureum7479 Жыл бұрын
You are literally complaining over nothing
@Sulejmani123
@Sulejmani123 Жыл бұрын
Nah Rhaynes made a fucking statement
@david91lvb
@david91lvb Жыл бұрын
@@spearshake4771 You are unbelievably soft 💀
@guillermorodriguez3509
@guillermorodriguez3509 Жыл бұрын
I know its hard to make decisions while making a big show but Rhaenis splatting a lot of people with her dragon takes aways the ''heroic'' out of the moment
@deadtotheworld00
@deadtotheworld00 Жыл бұрын
that is also kind of the point, the small folk always lose out from the squabbles of the high lords. Expendables
@cmd7930
@cmd7930 Жыл бұрын
@burneraccount Yes but it fails in multiple ways: 1. Rhaenys commited a massacre which seemed so out of character. 2. If the stone floor and walls are so easily broken, why cant the dragons escape when the dragonpit is stormed?
@matthewtait2939
@matthewtait2939 Жыл бұрын
@burneraccount yes we do. The book explains it very clearly. Jesus christ
@ImmaTbagyou
@ImmaTbagyou Жыл бұрын
@@matthewtait2939 it's been a while but the dragons were for the most part chained up right?
@darthvader7129
@darthvader7129 Жыл бұрын
fuck i love the Lord Commander; a man of honour. I loved his facial expressions being like "wtf" "disgust" "disbelief"
@metamorphosen3928
@metamorphosen3928 Жыл бұрын
"everything you feel for me….as your queen." I can't handle that level of palpable sexual tension lol. Ironic cause in a way they are the cersei and jaime of this show lol. the last 3 mins aside,i thought this was an excellent episode. it felt like a white house political thriller with a "race against time" feel from start to finish suspense. When Otto was moving the chess pieces, Beesbury yelling..I was on the edge of my seat. I knew how good it was when it had reactors already coping for compeuppance lol. Tom Glynn-Carney showed excellent range as Aegon. But it got overshadowed by 3 mins of a Rhaenys "happy ending" lol. The crowning ceremony was a visual historygasm, finally befitting a king in got verse. The actors for Otto, Alicent, Aegon did a great job. And that "window in the wall of your prison" line is one of the best lines yet.
@antonois
@antonois Жыл бұрын
"Instead of making the eight, [Larys] wants to cream on all the most powerful feet in the realm" perfect characterisation 😂👌
@vario6492
@vario6492 Жыл бұрын
Making the eight what?
@relaxedpotato8425
@relaxedpotato8425 Жыл бұрын
Aegon hides behind his mother when Raenys barges in. I think that says a lot about how he will rule as a king.
@Heisenberg882
@Heisenberg882 Жыл бұрын
Nah you should read the books, he constantly fights his own battles and even when he is horrifically wounded he still never gives up, Rhaenyra on the other hand doesn’t fight in a single battle in the war.
@Johno3998
@Johno3998 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Rhaenys really couldn't kill them before Rhaenyra knows about the coup and can make a decision (fight or back down/agree to terms). Otherwise it'd be kinda weird for Rhaenyra to hear Rhaenys just burned Alicent, and Rhaenyra's half siblings alive. I also feel like it's Rhaenys making a statement, like "I COULD kill you now (insert something about carving a cake...or baking a cake I guess), but you DON'T get to imprison me or my dragon/You DON'T get to tell me who my family should pledge their loyalty to/question my word". As Alicent also stepped in front of Aegon, I feel like a mother protecting her son is not something Rhaenys is going to look at and easily go "Dracarys", especially given what happened to her own family. As an aside, I also don't think there's any particular reason why, especially in the storm of the coup, Rhaenys would really give a shit about the commoners of King's Landing (has she really even shown herself to be entirely morally virtuous before? I think in this moment it's a pragmatic choice to flee and tell Rhaenyra) I can agree that perhaps her entrance was a little bit SFX over the top (the fog and rubble didn't look too convincing to me) but I think the general premise and motivations make sense.
@larochejaquelein3680
@larochejaquelein3680 Жыл бұрын
So the dragon bursts through a wall of stone and magically the rider Rhaenys has survived the impact?? This is nonsense, no human would survive that, they did this in order to subvert our expectations like Dumb and Doofenschmirtz in Season 8.
@deadtotheworld00
@deadtotheworld00 Жыл бұрын
​@@larochejaquelein3680 well obviously the dragon didn't smash through with her back where her rider was. Kind of an easy explanation
@nymeriagloves3957
@nymeriagloves3957 Жыл бұрын
i would say yes she tried to act more virtuous. she had multiple lines like men running things violently and the system is bad ect. implying she has better ways. but then straight to biggest massacre so far. its kind of the deanery's arc but even faster. just seems like a bit much just to tell someone you cant tell me what to do.
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
Rhaenys confronting the Hightowers was not half bad of an idea, it's just the poor execution and AWESOME YEY bullshit that messed things up. There were plenty of choices to NOT make Rhaenys looking like an arrogant, disdainful, cruel murderer.
@MasterSkywalker..
@MasterSkywalker.. Жыл бұрын
Otto and Aegon are so similar to Tywin and Joffrey
@patrickt6572
@patrickt6572 Жыл бұрын
Sunfyre should’ve been at the coronation, give Rhaenys some reason to leave
@Proclifo
@Proclifo Жыл бұрын
I like to imagine Alicent having a sit-down with Rhaenyra, talking about his last moment... and mentioning a song, and Aegon... Then Rhae would be like "Oh wait, he must have meant that for me. The song is a prophecy by Aegon the Conqueror!" And then they'd see it was all a misunderstanding. Wishful thinking. It's a little too late for that. I wouldn't be surprised if they never see each other again.
@crackteon3978
@crackteon3978 Жыл бұрын
It’s interesting how i find myself waiting eagerly for your next review of every episode! I had the same feeling the entire small council meeting! Constantly nervous and on the edge of my seat!
@Carl-lv8vz
@Carl-lv8vz Жыл бұрын
I swear if D&D wrote this episode SD will make 10 videos on it
@royraizel9270
@royraizel9270 Жыл бұрын
Lmao he’s so delusional
@Jason-gg4lm
@Jason-gg4lm Жыл бұрын
@@royraizel9270 how so
@playoffp2738
@playoffp2738 Жыл бұрын
@@royraizel9270 ?
@JonnySlick007
@JonnySlick007 Жыл бұрын
Facts bro
@Despair505
@Despair505 Жыл бұрын
What do you guys even mean? lol
@kytry7060
@kytry7060 Жыл бұрын
Larys= Littlefinger+Varys As intelligent as Varys and as manipulative as Littlefinger. But his desire for feet will lead to his doom as Littlefinger's love for Catelyn led him to.
@esingh4668
@esingh4668 Жыл бұрын
The thing about Rhaenys' action I find a lot of people miss out on is that, for the moment, that is the best decision she could've made. Given that all the smallfolk were surrounding and flooding the area, people would've died anyway. Had she left from one of the main exists, she probably would've been ambushed as I assume that dragons cannot just waltz out, so the place must be guarded. It seems like's bursting out of Meleys' specific holding area. She wasn't trying to kill people, but if she had to escape, some deaths were bound to happen. For her reasoning not to kill the Greens, its been made very clear this season that she didn't want to be involved in the game and simply wanted her family to be alive and safe, but as she said in the last episode, she's unfortunately too familiar with loss as of late. Both her children are dead, her husband seemingly near death, and his brother murdered. Its been made very clear that she doesnt agree with the political scheming and murdering of people, and is aware of the heavy cost of it, so naturally she would be reluctant to kill her kin because that is still her family and not to mention, unlike the later season of GoT, kinslaying is a pretty serious sin, and regicide isn't seen as a girlboss moment. Had she killed the king who had just been accepted by the people, it would not only weaken Rhaenyra's claim, but any other lords who were already unsure of her as a ruler would then just go against her. People would rebel. What's the point of getting rid of the opposition if all it does is create far more opposition? Lastly, I think Rhaenys was also letting Alicent in particular know that she doesn't intent to be a tool and nor will she stoop as low as they had in usurping what was clearly an already finalized succession to win. She doesn't need to. Sure, being the bigger person is seen as stupid for a lot of people because they think killing them will "end the war" but friendly reminder that there is no war yet that is recognized by the people and killing in broad daylight with multiple witnesses when there isnt even a war makes you seem like the bad guys. Nobody knows how manipulative the Greens have been, and Rhaenys doesn't need to go for low blows and trickery like them to let them know she has the higher ground. It's an act of defiance, of strength, and people are more likely to believe in the strength and fear of the person with the dragon, and not the so called King hiding behind his mother.
@Gudda16
@Gudda16 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, very well said
@larbear325
@larbear325 Жыл бұрын
I gotta tell you I really do enjoy your reviews of all the episodes. I can't wait after each episode to see what you have to say bc you do a great job hitting all the points.
@Khizar_kt
@Khizar_kt Жыл бұрын
'Cream on the most powerful feet in the world' Imagin If that is his actual goal
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
Not feet, but when Otto was sealing that letter, I actually thought those were Rhaenys' hands. Otto's got some lady hands. lol
@robertzeitz3924
@robertzeitz3924 Жыл бұрын
I think the foot thing is an act. Larys might be after something else and the footplay might make Alicent think she's paying him back for his help and not worry herself with asking "why is this guy helping me."
@rohit_7777
@rohit_7777 Жыл бұрын
The Rhaeneys scene at the end does not make sense but it will have massive consequences those who've read the book know what I'm talking about. It may look like a fan service but at the end of the day it does set up a lot of things like the destruction of the dragons pit by the small folks which will come full circle to Rhaeneys massacring the small folks here.
@user-kn6dq8uw2p
@user-kn6dq8uw2p Жыл бұрын
This. It’s supposed to be a “WHOA WTF WHY” moment. Dragons are dangerous and so are the people who ride them.
@david91lvb
@david91lvb Жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's just going to contribute to what will happen to the dragons in the pit later on. Don't know why people have so much of a problem with the scene
@rohit_7777
@rohit_7777 Жыл бұрын
@@david91lvb and Rhaeneys will pay the price for not killing them yk if you've read fire and blood. As a stand alone scene it looks kinda dumb and she did made a bad decision but it will have consequences so in the big picture this scene does have a purpose not just fan service
@David-sl6xf
@David-sl6xf Жыл бұрын
That's assuming the writers actually demonstrate that though. Will there be a scene that shows the common people reacting to what happened at the end of episode 9? If not then this scene will just look really dumb later on in the show, with the only real effect being Rhaenys inaction leading to her entire family getting killed.
@nosardines
@nosardines Жыл бұрын
Sure... or maybe since this Tv series has several different Screenwriters; consequences for mass murdering may not carry between episodes (hopefully this is not the case).
@TH-un9lh
@TH-un9lh Жыл бұрын
With Aegon, i think it has more to do with believing the people love him (like Geoffrey). He has wanted to be loved for so long, his disgusting sexual habits, are probably a cry for love, connection and satisfaction. But nobody loves him in return, resulting in the horrible act which befell the servant girl. His drinking habits, more of a want to escape from reality, culminating in him actually telling Aemond that he wants to leave to another continent. He is essentially the worst that can come out of having incredibly harsh parents, and to no small extent a level of abandonment. In this aspect the poem 'This be the verse' by Philip Larkin comes to mind.
@ladyseastar1452
@ladyseastar1452 Жыл бұрын
I'm so sad that they didn't showed Sunfyre, I've been waiting to see him since the show was announced, now I'll have to wait another two years to maybe see him! He is the King's dragon, the most beautiful dragon in the world, Aegon has the strongest dragon-rider bond in the Dance and what do we get? Almost nothing! Not even a single scene of him flying above the Dragonpit while Aegon is getting crowned. Instead we get Rhaenys having the most illogical fan service moment I have ever seen, and the only thing that we had of him was some distant shots from episode 6, Vermithor doesn't even have a rider in season 1, and we'll have a scene of him but none with Sunfyre, this is so frustrating!
@cmd7930
@cmd7930 Жыл бұрын
Yes the coronation should have had Sunfyre instead of the Rhaenys bs. One of Aegon's redeeming qualities was his bond with Sunfyre but this show is focused on making him seem completely evil and whitewashing Rhaenyra. Its indeed very frustrating. Sara Hess should be fired. It was her idea. Same with the feet scene.
@Lutzifalilia
@Lutzifalilia Жыл бұрын
You know whats even more frustrating? You crying like a baby.
@devan6935
@devan6935 Жыл бұрын
Personally I can agree with you on the final scene- having an external force be her reason to go away, or even her bursting out to retreat imediately, would've been better. I do also think that the scene doesn't outright ruin anything, but it's still noticeably weaker in terms of writing than the rest of the series has been.
@antonois
@antonois Жыл бұрын
Yeah but this is nothing compared to Alicent "mishearing" Viserys and letting the cursed ser Crispin accidentally "slip up" in e05, both of which were unbelievably preposterous. Not to mention those two scenes are *literally* the grounds for the whole plot and conflict of the show
@enriquerodriguez9410
@enriquerodriguez9410 Жыл бұрын
@@antonois you can justify it though, in other scenes she mixes up people with the same/similar names. also her just taking bits and pieces from that conversation to give her the green light on what she already wanted to do is realistic.
@devan6935
@devan6935 Жыл бұрын
​@@antonois No, that's not really right. Allicent didn't 'mishear' Viserys. She (wilfully, be it consciously or subconsciously) misunderstood his ramblings. And putting Aegon on the throne would've happened either way. As for Criston..to which slip up do you refer? You mean when he told Allicent what happened? Because he did just..tell her that, he didn't slip up by accident
@Tormund_Giantsbrain
@Tormund_Giantsbrain Жыл бұрын
I was blown away by the details in the coronation. It felt like watching Nicholas II being crowned in an Orthodox ceremony with all the hollow pomp & circumstance of a rotting system. It's what I'd always envisioned from a GoT coronation but never got. Tom Glynn-Carney was terrific in bringing out Aegon's fear, hesitation, pride & euphoria all at once. I'm glad they kept the much despised Criston putting the Conqueror's crown on Aegon II's head. The Kingmaker is born! What the show does really well is the details, down to locking up servants. Usually the passionate debates, the sense of treachery, the heartbreak are glossed over & we only see the regime change as a "fait accompli". This brings to life the mechanism that historically goes behind a palace coup, which I assume is as emotionally taxing for the people seizing power. That's why I liked agonized & conflicted Alicent more than her steadfast source counterpart. Feels more flesh & blood. She vacillates but her messianic fear for her children fates her to make a doomed gamble. *Jk when u only support our Green Lives Matter King for extermination of Strong Boys cause ur pro Valeryian blood supremacy.*
@unc54
@unc54 Жыл бұрын
I do wish we saw more of Criston being "The Kingmaker". Right now it kind of feels like a technicality. Like he should have been convincing Aegon or rooting out Black loyalists in the Red Keep.
@ultimateshipper8997
@ultimateshipper8997 Жыл бұрын
Notice how the trumpeters played "the King's Arrival" from GOT?
@ASAP_Kenny
@ASAP_Kenny Жыл бұрын
Really hoping that they’ll keep this quality throughout the entire series. So far I am very impressed with season 1
@ctm3922
@ctm3922 Жыл бұрын
Not rooting for team green but god I love Otto and Alicent as characters. Otto is the perfect political schemer and he is able to disguise his own ambitions as being good for the realm extremely well. Alicent is really a super tragic character as she was groomed by Otto into the queen role and did not ask for any of this. Her motivations are purely doing what she thinks is traditionally right, and protecting her children. Also, if you look at Rhaenerya from her eyes its super easy to see that Rhaenerya is seemingly extremely reckless and dangerous, and she also resents her for being able to get away with that stuff solely because Viserys was her father.
@maddogbasil
@maddogbasil Жыл бұрын
The end just made me throw my phone out the window The whole episode felt off for some reason but that end just annoyed me The single weirdest coup you'll ever see Stuff like this gets pulled in the congo
@embercrow7781
@embercrow7781 Жыл бұрын
My take on Rhaenys’ actions is that a combination of things influenced her decision not to kill the greens, in particular Allicent. There is clearly a moment in her expression where she heavily considers speaking the dreaded word for Dragon Fire, but for the conversation she had with Allicent where she actually started understanding who she is at last and gaining som respect for the queen mother’s struggle. This combined with Allicent’s actions in sending Cole to protect Helaena while throwing herself in front of aegon without hesitation despite the fact that none of it would matter if Meyles unleashed on them. She saw Allicent put herself between her children and danger just as she would have if she could have, being a mother who had lost her children to ill circumstance is what I believe ultimately what swayed her from torching them. Meyles roaring in their faces served to impress upon them that in this moment they were powerless, there was nothing between them and certain annihilation and If they pursue this path they will not be offered mercy a second time. The greens forget that it is not men who rule this dynasty but dragons and aegon is no dragon. Only thing I might’ve banged would have been for Meyles to come of the floor a bit slower, maybe have the floor start cracking in the center a bit before she erupted from the stone so that he people in the sept would have some time to get clear. It doesn’t bother me too much seeing as there isn’t really any easy way for a sixty foot dragon to come out of the floor 🤷‍♂️
@flixr2576
@flixr2576 Жыл бұрын
I thought Rhaenys was just doin a statement and was like: yea bitch don't fuck with me and my family It has big applications that she left. The Greens locked her away for a reason cuz if she allies with rhaenyra the power scale is massively in her favour and the fact that both Rhaenys and Allicent know about that is for me enough reason why it works. It's a moment which could be a big driving point in conflict between Otto and Allicent as well + It was epic
@letiprochnow
@letiprochnow Жыл бұрын
I simply LOVE your videos, great review of the episode ❤
@MrKYT-gb8gs
@MrKYT-gb8gs Жыл бұрын
I always love the mystery and suspense aspect of this type of fantasy shows!!!
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
This show is just getting better and better
@Okojscreech
@Okojscreech Жыл бұрын
@@asimhussain8716 okay oscar the grouch, good god let people enjoy things.
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
@@asimhussain8716 jeez Louise. Get laid man. And check my other two comments, obviously you have enough time on your hands
@larochejaquelein3680
@larochejaquelein3680 Жыл бұрын
So the dragon bursts through a wall of stone and magically the rider Rhaenys has survived the impact?? This is nonsense, no human would survive that, they did this in order to subvert our expectations like Dumb and Doofenschmirtz in Season 8.
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
@@asimhussain8716 well, because they're more critical takes of the show. Specifically on this guy's video, which is worse than any opinion you or I may have of each other's statements
@qjames0077
@qjames0077 Жыл бұрын
@@larochejaquelein3680 I don't disagree with you, but that is a bit of semantics
@youngdoubledee5106
@youngdoubledee5106 Жыл бұрын
I really hope you are going to do a video about the whole season once it's finished! 🙏
@shawnredmond8402
@shawnredmond8402 Жыл бұрын
This episode is easily one of the best episodes marred by three mins of a Rhaenys ending. The more I rewatch it the more I appreciate how good it is. It gives you that classic GoT political intrigue vibes. Otto with the ruthless purges, the suspense, the intensity, the chase for Aegon...has a crime noir vibe to it. it's finally the bad guys on top in HoTD, in classic GoT fashion! And that coronation ceremony! Hands down the best filmed coronation in Thrones universe and in TV in general. Definitely the most underrated episode because it got overshadowed by the Rhaenys thing.
@nunouno001
@nunouno001 Жыл бұрын
The best defense I've found for the Rhaenys scene is that it's supposed to show that both sides are illegitimate. The Greens just treated the smallfolk like cattle, corraling them into the Dragon pit and just expected them all to accept their new king without question. Meanwhile, Rhaenys (I know she's not 100% on the Blacks' side but lets be honest she's going to help them) just stomps all over them under the power of her dragon. It shows how the war will be fought with the Greens holding political power and the Blacks using Dragon power to fight and destroy each other. And while The Dance of The Dragon will hurt House Targaryen, the true victims of the civil war be the little people whom are forced into these power struggles and conflicts whenever the ruling class play their game of thrones.
@Khizar_kt
@Khizar_kt Жыл бұрын
I still can't otto Even with all the plotting against rhay Seeing him clapping that way is just cute
@salemtargaryen123
@salemtargaryen123 Жыл бұрын
Frrr I love Otto! I personally disagree with the popular opinion that he's all cold cunning, I believe he genuinely cares about what's good for he realm (a lot of his political suggestions as Hand were the best out of all the alternatives and ensured the greater good); and of course he also wants to see his family on the throne, which is something pretty much every character in Westeros wants. A lot of he things he's condemned for are no different from what other - commonly beloved - characters have done, yet he is named a terrible person for them. In this episode I think he took a bit of a Daenerys-style turn, losing patience and misjudging the situation to take the quicker, bloodier path rather than the slow and peaceful one. I also don't think he has anything against Rhaenyra in general, she's just a constant threat to his grandson's claim which is why he wants her out of the way - again, until now not necessarily by killing her, but with everything falling apart around them and the stakes heightening, he sees no other way to ensure Aegon's safe rule. He's just a dude who wants to keep his family in a high position, but also wants what's best for the realm (as long as that doesn't counteract his first priority = his family's staus) and believes his family's rule to be best. He is prepared to do some ugly things for that, but so is literally almost any ruler in GoT/HotD, and above all else, he is smart and good at evaluating situations, but not in a Littlefinger way, he has always been much more transparent about his intentions and at least tried to make them line up with the public interest. He has certainly made mistakes, but I think it unfair to call him a evil character for wanting to see his family in power and being prepared to fight for that.
@salemtargaryen123
@salemtargaryen123 Жыл бұрын
@Ali Chaudhry exactly!! maybe people just hate how realistic he is
@BlackfangDragon
@BlackfangDragon Жыл бұрын
If he cared about the realm Aegon would have never been put on the Throne. At the end of the day he is Ill fit and not worthy of it, especially as his reasoning is entirely circular. He does what’s right for the realm, even though most of the Lords only bowed out of fear of being executed even in the scene where he’s punishing Lords who won’t bend, because what’s in HIs interest is clearly what’s best for the realm. We had an impartial Hand who did want what’s best for the realm: Lyonel, and it’s even contrasted with how much worse Viserys health is visually both times when Otto is hand to when Lyonel was Hand.
@nodinitiative
@nodinitiative Жыл бұрын
I think atm, Otto was sincerely contemplating true peace but of course, he changed his mind the moment his daughter told him about the "last words". For a brief moment, we were shown what their family would have been like if they no backstabbing. I think, Otto would have been satisfied if Rhaenrys had been engaged with his 2 year old grandson. Aegon might have just been King Consort, but his great grandson or great granddaughter would have been King or Queen. Otto thinks very long term. The true open "stabbing" came when Rhaenarys convinced her father to fire Otto as Hand of the King.
@salemtargaryen123
@salemtargaryen123 Жыл бұрын
@@BlackfangDragon I totally agree that Aegon isn't a good fit, and that Lyonel was a good Hand. Still I think Otto definitely did care about the realm, he just cares about his family a little bit more. And yeah, you're right, he does set his interest as equal to what's best, although I think that's part of human judgment - we can never fully know what is best, so we do what WE THINK is best... Which isn't always objectively good of course, but I do think that in the majority of situations, he has made the right judgment.
@Midnightsstan521
@Midnightsstan521 Жыл бұрын
Guys who haven’t read the books What are your predictions for the finale? 😼🐉
@drewlavay
@drewlavay Жыл бұрын
Haven't read the books but Joffrey told me Aegon feeds Rhaenarya to his dragon 😳
@Negan2003
@Negan2003 Жыл бұрын
Its not a prediction for the final but i think aemond is going to kill his brother
@Alpha1200
@Alpha1200 Жыл бұрын
I think it would've worked to have a threat drive Rhaenys out, however that would've trampled over the idea that she chooses to spare them, imo. What I think the best solution would've been is to have given Rhaenys more development before this point and maybe something more with Alicent. Like maybe Rhaenys expresses her disgust at kinslaying at some point due to Maegor's rule or says she didn't start a war when Jahaerys died because "I don't want to be Maegor with teats." Just stuff to establish the idea that she would never kill family members and wouldn't want that reputation. And then maybe in this episode Otto could command Rhaenys be executed or something to take another dragon off the board and with the idea that one of Vaemond's children can be put in charge of House Velaryon afterwards. And then Alicent could be the one who saves her. So that when the moment comes when Rhaenys has to either kill Aegon AND Alicent or neither, that she can't get herself to kill the woman who saved her life only hours earlier.
@Madworld130
@Madworld130 Жыл бұрын
I would love a video about just Otto when this is over with that little clap replayed several more times lol it is the cutest thing
@Khizar_kt
@Khizar_kt Жыл бұрын
If only the actress who played rhaenys Was paid to say one more word All those dragons wouldn't have to die
@DurgeshYadav-np3nx
@DurgeshYadav-np3nx Жыл бұрын
The last scene gave GOT s8 vibes. Hope they learn and don't repeat it again.
@edoardocaprara3676
@edoardocaprara3676 Жыл бұрын
“He wants to cream on all the most powerful feet in Westeros” I almost died choking on my dinner 😂
@cassi94
@cassi94 Жыл бұрын
•The opening music was a hybrid of the same instrumental from Winds of Winter, just with a different octave (becomes super noticeable when you first see Rhaenys in the chamber). • The adventure through Flea Bottom was an important factor for the series- it’ll come back into play in future seasons. • The feet- it’s a power move. She’s (one of) the most powerful people in the realm, as you said, so it’s putting her in a vulnerable place and allowing him to capture dominance over her. Also psychological with his foot and all. • Erryk and Arryk are right from the books- it’s just the writers being loyal to the source material. • The book isn’t accurate as it’s written by a fool/lore passed down. It’s accounts passed through the grapevine- so Rhaenys used the dragon (the beast beneath the boards) to show she is a dragon and can not be locked up. She spares them because A, it’s her family, and B, it’s not her fight. This is a moment for her to act. She couldn’t kill them after a public coronation and her dragon taking out a few dozen people. Makes sense and it’s good writing. It’s not reactive but rather smart and thought out for the set up of the story
@JonnySlick007
@JonnySlick007 Жыл бұрын
That rhaenys scene was D&Desque. Pure spectacle
@Emperorofthemoon1
@Emperorofthemoon1 Жыл бұрын
It works internally imo, and it fits thematically, but I agree. It was very much for spectacle. That said, Rhaenys is my favorite Targaryen so she can do whatever she wants in my eyes
@JonnySlick007
@JonnySlick007 Жыл бұрын
@@Emperorofthemoon1 illogical for me and if D&D had come up with this supercuts wouldve been roasting the shit out of it
@richtea615
@richtea615 Жыл бұрын
Rhaena forgot 'dracarys' when all her enemies were conveniently standing close together in front of her dragon.
@danteandries4996
@danteandries4996 Жыл бұрын
killing all those people ralted to her and the king would ruin her reputation and evryone around her including rheanyra still kinda stupid but has somewhat of an explenation
@chaotic-doxxer
@chaotic-doxxer Жыл бұрын
If she did that then no more show, also kinslaying would absolutely destroy any hopes for rhaenyra claiming the throne
@danteandries4996
@danteandries4996 Жыл бұрын
@@chaotic-doxxer exactly but they should have just made her fly out of there
@TheV8Pumpkin
@TheV8Pumpkin Жыл бұрын
@@chaotic-doxxer they were all committing high treason by usurping Rhaenyra
@larochejaquelein3680
@larochejaquelein3680 Жыл бұрын
So the dragon bursts through a wall of stone and magically the rider Rhaenys has survived the impact?? This is nonsense, no human would survive that, they did this in order to subvert our expectations like Dumb and Doofenschmirtz in Season 8.
@abermen
@abermen Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the showrunners aren't taking the wrong lessons from GoT. Criston Cole is a good example of a character they have turned from what could've been a very compelling contradiction into a 1 dimensional henchman. instead of crafting a well rounded character they remember the memes about Joffrey and applause moments when someone like Ramsay got his and they said "That's the sort of character we need"!
@msanjelica
@msanjelica Жыл бұрын
They've made a mess of most the characters. Larys is just...🤷
@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable
@DiarrheaIsUnbreakable Жыл бұрын
I think they should have Sunfyre at the coronation and force Rhaenys to retreat. It would have an impact in a few ways. The first is that it sets up the inevitable confrontation between the two dragons. The second is that it establishes the bond between Aegon and his dragon, because as much of a pos Aegon is, his bond with Sunfyre is one of his few redeeming traits.
@mohamedabrar1084
@mohamedabrar1084 Жыл бұрын
Can someone explain why were Alicent and Otto racing against each other to find Aegon? Aren't they on the same team? What could have happened if Otto got to him first?
@lukavidakovic2385
@lukavidakovic2385 Жыл бұрын
He would push him to kill rhaeynare and her kids and alicent wanted to get to him first to convince him not to do it
@mohamedabrar1084
@mohamedabrar1084 Жыл бұрын
@@lukavidakovic2385 It's not like he had one shot and he missed it. He still can push him to do it. He's his Hand.
@karmaplace
@karmaplace Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedabrar1084 He has one shot to do it before news of the king’s death and the coronation, i.e. so they don’t see it coming. Any time after that makes it harder (hence, The Dance).
@mohamedabrar1084
@mohamedabrar1084 Жыл бұрын
@@karmaplace Oooh, now it makes sense. Thanks
@nkundisebina7893
@nkundisebina7893 Жыл бұрын
The ending was definitely one of the weaker choices from the directors! It really wasn't necessary to change that from the books!
@cjjk9142
@cjjk9142 Жыл бұрын
They should have had the dragon semi enter from the door as a threat but then leaves (more logical with same epic factor)
@DurpyKraken
@DurpyKraken Жыл бұрын
Why does it need to follow the book so closely? It’s not like it makes a major plot change that affects the progression. The whole “it’s in the books” is so annoying tbh
@tyfoparalax8894
@tyfoparalax8894 Жыл бұрын
@@DurpyKraken Because it makes more sense. This new change made either Rhaenys stupid or downright evil
@nkundisebina7893
@nkundisebina7893 Жыл бұрын
@@DurpyKraken They should follow the books and if they do choose to make a different it should fit the characters and lore! This was VERY reminiscent of DnD in the later season! The directors even said it was for "spectacle" jus because they wanted the shock value! As recovering GOT fan I choose to air out these concerns now before it's too late! They did the same thing back in ep 5 with criston killing Joffrey! It was an absolutely dreadful choice to add and unnecessary!
@DurpyKraken
@DurpyKraken Жыл бұрын
@@nkundisebina7893 Criston killing Joffrey? And you’re definitely exaggerating
@concraft9293
@concraft9293 Жыл бұрын
I just really enjoyed this episode all around! and watching your video you've noticed things I hadn't, so love it more!
@jeom3808
@jeom3808 Жыл бұрын
0:06 you know- sense you mentioned that parallel, I think it is an interesting comparison; one ends on a spectacle to create shock and clear the board off of several smart/complex/competent characters, the other has a shocking moment that illustrates character and has several layers and interpretations that help further deepen the way we look at these characters. The trial of the seven was another moment were DnD were making the world smaller then how it was, and while HotD's World doesn't exactly feel as big as GoT's, it doesn't feel like it's shrinking- rather growing at it's slower pace, and compensating with what does feel deep and rich: its characters and its unfolding history/events,
@TheV8Pumpkin
@TheV8Pumpkin Жыл бұрын
The first opportunity to stop the dance was when Daemon asked his brother to be the hand of the king…. Last opportunity was Rhaenys just purifying the greens all at once with Melys. WELL next week it all begins!
@Jason-gg4lm
@Jason-gg4lm Жыл бұрын
She had no way of knowing what was to come and didn't want to be none as a homicidal kin slayer
@Beren0323
@Beren0323 Жыл бұрын
Considering the massive hurdle that the writers have of having to make stuff up since this chapter in the books was so brief, this was a pretty good episode. Comparable to episodes 2 and 5, but not as good as the rest of the season.
@aedryk
@aedryk Жыл бұрын
As long as the writers are okay with ignoring everything we know about dragons and what they are physically capable of doing. And also overlooking the fact that Rhaenys is apparently invincible to being crushed by a ton of stone.
@Beren0323
@Beren0323 Жыл бұрын
@@aedryk It was weird for her to just randomly "burst" out of stone and Meleys being among the bigger dragons really doesn't excuse it. A simple shot of the Dragonpit's floor getting melted and softened up by dragonfire would have been so easy to put there instead of the earthbending we saw.
@I-kd3cz
@I-kd3cz Жыл бұрын
@@aedryk did u forget that ure watching a fantasy TV show lmao dragons r not real
@aedryk
@aedryk Жыл бұрын
@@I-kd3cz you entirely miss the point
@I-kd3cz
@I-kd3cz Жыл бұрын
@@aedryk it's a fantasy show ofc they're going to exaggerate things ???what even is ur point
@spanner5940
@spanner5940 Жыл бұрын
i think the rhaenys scene would look SOOOOO much less like plot armour, no, plot mechanized vehicles, if only they added Vhagar's roar in the distance. that way it would send the message of "kill aemond or his family and ill tear you and your little dragon to shreds" rather than what we have here, which is the game of thrones equivalent to reading about the failed assassination attempts on hitler
@merrittfigure2924
@merrittfigure2924 Жыл бұрын
Beast beneath the boards is referring to much more than Meleys me thinks. It's basically referring to everything this episode and I think that's the point. It's referring to Aemond's ambitions for the throne. It's referring to Otto's brutal machinations behind his calm exterior. It's referring to Aegon's hidden depravity -- did you see the way Helaena recoiled when bowing to Aegon? It's referring to the White Worm's warning to Otto about how it's the people who ultimately enable them. As Larys said, Otto knew about the White Worm but allowed her to exist and essentially grow in the shadows. That was great writing. Our newly anointed king Aegon II was hiding beneath the "boards" too. Maybe we were looking at the wrong beast the whole time.
@torsteinlb
@torsteinlb Жыл бұрын
Dude she has one of the most badass moments of all the characters in the source material, so this was just wow. I'm in awe over how easily people sweep this under the rug considering how detailed all the criticism of ROP has been. Cool scene, but damn I hated this choice....
@matthewtait2939
@matthewtait2939 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@hugoyuugo1300
@hugoyuugo1300 Жыл бұрын
You didn't watch the bonuses in GoT?? I'm surprised! The Black were always supposed to be away, so the Green would crown Aegon. For me it's the Rhaenys decision to burst through half of the mob of K's L only to yell then yeet that's troublesome.
@dannypatrick9361
@dannypatrick9361 Жыл бұрын
It's called sending a message.
@MrGetownedLP
@MrGetownedLP Жыл бұрын
I knew this episode was something special after that first council meeting scene. I had to pause the show, got up started pacing a little and then texted someone to explain how they must watch the newest episode - THAT GOOD.
@efjay3183
@efjay3183 Жыл бұрын
“Maybe Daemon has his suspicions, and has precautions in place for that event” Yeah, that’s why they left right after dinner
@fantasyhaven1
@fantasyhaven1 Жыл бұрын
Good episode? Yeah. Great direction? Absolutely. Underwhelming compared to the book and full of bizarre changes and cuts? OH BOY
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old Жыл бұрын
I'm just kinda gutted they had Rhaneys bursting a dragon through stone, and killing innocents. It undermines a lot of goodwill the showrunners have built up.
@aureum7479
@aureum7479 Жыл бұрын
🤦‍♂️
@user-kn6dq8uw2p
@user-kn6dq8uw2p Жыл бұрын
Oh boo fucking hoo
@spearshake4771
@spearshake4771 Жыл бұрын
Yeah not to mention how she didn't end up having a fucking concussion from her head going through the stone floor or how none of the debris really hit her
@John-xr9ry
@John-xr9ry Жыл бұрын
That’s a good thing. You’re not meant to like any of these characters, all of these characters only care about power and satisfying their egos. If Rhaenys actually cared about the people, she could’ve just accepted Aegon as king instead of wanting to warn Rhaenyra, knowing Rhaenyra would fight back in retaliation.
@bruhmcmoment196
@bruhmcmoment196 Жыл бұрын
@@user-kn6dq8uw2p most intelligent Rhaenys apologist
@MylesGabriel
@MylesGabriel Жыл бұрын
Watch for the beast beneath the floorboards... No one takes her seriously...when they should. I hope they expand upon her role and give heed to her visions. I like her character, but I don't know her name without having to look it up because they've pretty much kept her in the background as a minor character and everyone around her dismisses her as insane when in reality she's been cryptically correct quite often. And from what I understand, if the show stays true to the books...she's going to have a terribly tragic story. I don't want to spoil...but I think she's going to break the audience's heart. So I hope they really elevate her character in the show before that time of heartbreak comes.
@batgurrl
@batgurrl Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I think it started out well but it just kept getting better and better and I am so excited that we see the beginning of dance of the dragons In the final episode of Season 1🐉
@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158
@whyareyoureadingmynickname8158 Жыл бұрын
I have mixed feelings about this episode. First 10-15 minutes were great. Otto and Alicent finding about Viserys's death, council scene, scene with lords in the hall, conversation between Alicent and Rhaenys - it was all great. Rest of the episode was kinda meh. Parts with the twins were confusing, I could never pick up who is who nor which one remained loyal. Aemond's behavior in this episode was also confusing. He hints at the idea that he wants a throne, than he fights one of the twins (again, I have no idea which one that was) and once Aegon starts begging him to let him escape, he just takes him back, which only made me wonder what all of that was about. Coronation scene was good, but part with dragon ruined it. Not only because Rhaenys didn't kill the Greens, nor because she just killed a bunch of innocent people, but the idea of dragon bursting through stone floor with rider remaining completely clean and unscathed just looked silly. Less I say about Larys's foot fetish - the better. I feel like he is becoming more and more cartoonish with each appearance and I'm not a fan of that. Overall - not bad, not great, just comfortably lying in the middle.
@aLoganRS
@aLoganRS Жыл бұрын
This is honestly how I feel about the whole show so far. Brain dead logic sometimes on one hand but also really cool detailed scenes on the other. I just wish the show was more consistent with what's happening contextually.
@unc54
@unc54 Жыл бұрын
This episode felt rushed in some ways. I felt that certain scenes like the small council, purging the pro-Black people in the Red Keep, and the coronation should have been stretched out. And the Rhaenys stuff gave me later GoT flashbacks. Just pointless action.
@Hatypus
@Hatypus Жыл бұрын
Larys' foot thing was stupid and unneeded, and Rhaenys coming through the floor just felt dumb. EDIT: Thought I'd just add, what exactly is the point of the dragon pit if it's walls and ceiling can't contain dragons? And Rhaenys, on the back of her dragon, is apparently totally fine after being dragged up through the floor with all that debris around her.
@aedryk
@aedryk Жыл бұрын
Both were HBO additions to the story. We are not surprised.
@dmgroberts5471
@dmgroberts5471 Жыл бұрын
I like how when Ser Harold draws his sword and advances on Ser Cristen, Tyland is like: "Oh, am I in your way? Don't mind me, I'll just be on the other side of the room, behind Otto."
@sarahconnor13
@sarahconnor13 Жыл бұрын
Helaena being the only child of Alicent I love 💛 That girl is indeed a precious creature, gifted with greensight I've heard
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