KAK are some real ones for that. This is an awesome concept that you definitely came up with all by yourself! Way to go!
@paullee9160Ай бұрын
noveske has 11.5 mid gas system. i think it is called chainsaw unconventional or somethng. but i am sure this system is much cheaper
@fatmike9836Ай бұрын
@@paullee9160 Interesting, but is that intentionally gassed to only function with a suppressor installed without the use of any special purpose parts? That’s a main function of what makes this uniquely attractive.
@LyleH-13Ай бұрын
@@fatmike9836 faxon has also made an 11.5 mid for a few years, but yes. suppressor gas port is nice.
@RandomWrongDeletionАй бұрын
@@fatmike9836I’ve only ever seen the Noveske run suppressed but it doesn’t say anything on their website about being an “only suppressed” barrel. Seems to just be a better but more expensive option.
@fatmike9836Ай бұрын
@@jiujitsu5000 Nice, I’m pretty new to the suppressor scene so this is the first I’ve heard of this concept. It makes a lot of sense so I’m not surprised that it has been done before.
@AverageJoe4063Ай бұрын
I think this is the future. Guns made to run well suppressed and perhaps barely run with the suppressor removed if it somehow gets damaged.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@AverageJoe4063 I think as suppressors become the norm these types of parts will become more popular.
@wolfgang_h3tАй бұрын
That's how I'm kinda leaning with my 13.9
@glycerin256Ай бұрын
Ive been running a similar aetup for 1.5 years. Adjustable gas block but haven't adjusted since the initial tuning. Faxon 11.5 mid, superlative AGB, standard bcg, BCM versions of the vltor A5 running a5h2 buffer weight, runs a dead air nomad almost full time. I'm almost surprised by how well it works. It's been reliable, accurate, and consistent, and softer shooting than my friends SOLGWs. With red dot and magnifier I've gotten consistent hits at 440yards on reduced c zone steel.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@glycerin256 neat setup
@Ninjaman-do5ukАй бұрын
My favorite DI build ever was an 11.5 muddy from Faxon. Sold it to a friend when I went to long piston. But it was perfect, ran great unsuppresssed for me too.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@Ninjaman-do5uk yeah they have a big gas port on those
@caseysmith8831Ай бұрын
My KAK 16 inch with rifle length is the sweetest shooter I ve been around.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@caseysmith8831 also a big fan
@caseysmith8831Ай бұрын
Mine prints great groups also. But the POI from un to suppressed is 5 inches at 100 yards. Groups size gets slights better with the can on.
@bamareefer4387Ай бұрын
I wish they would make one with the fsb attached for an old school dissipator look
@varanidguyАй бұрын
That flast suppressor is crusty as hell...I love it. KAK kicks ass.
@FirearmsAndFitnessАй бұрын
I was actually really hoping something like this would hit the market. I’m glad I have a place to buy it now
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
Well I am glad to help facilitate the parts.
@aktideracer8710Ай бұрын
This is the future of suppressed ARs, you get all the benefits without the draw backs. Great job
@douglascuvillyed.s8211Ай бұрын
I would keep this as a dedicated 11.5 night fighting upper. The Can just lives on it
@welderdude1Ай бұрын
I have an AA piston upper that I use for that.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@douglascuvillyed.s8211 not a bad idea.
@PrayingPandaАй бұрын
I think this style will be the future for people who want shorter suppressed builds. If it can be "flushed out" it will turn into a standard much like how mid-length systems are for 16" guns.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@PrayingPanda very possible
@PrayingPandaАй бұрын
@@FocusTripp I run something similar. Triarc 12.5 mid-length with an Aero Precision adjustable gas block and a CGS Helios DT. When shooting PMC XTAC 55gr, the bcg will lock back on 9/15. I put it on 10/15 for good measure, and I haven't had any issues.
@thomaseric8662Ай бұрын
The algorithm requires engagement
@NvwaAqoKy2kgАй бұрын
11.5 mid tuned for suppressor only is the bees knees. I have that Noveske setup and it's so smooth.
@rosscoursey4979Ай бұрын
That black ops two music goes hard
@drewcox5572Ай бұрын
Kak is awesome I ordered a 9mm buffer from them and usps lost my package and they sent me another one no questions asked . They have amazing customer service
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@drewcox5572 nice
@dylanwatson8468Ай бұрын
The fact Kak even made this is impressive, add on the black ops lobby music and you got me.
@musician445Ай бұрын
I like it. .078 to .081 seems like a fair place to end up on this type of barrel if it is intended to be suppressed only using traditional baffles like you said. For me, the reason for middy is about attaining more bolt life, longer receiver life, and lower port pop but still being able to use lower back pressure cans, hybrid designs etc. Lower back pressure cans, regardless of the system they are added to, provide less delta between suppressed and unsuppressed usage, meaning they need less drastic measures to make them function effectively. The less adjustment needed, the wider your potential operating envelope becomes. That lands me the camp of wanting to use a system like this but still in conjunction of a lower back pressure can. That may warrant a slightly larger port size than this. Also, I'd be very curious to see how well it would run unsuppressed with a .08-.09 port with a confirmed efficient carrier and no gas key leaks (moreso as a safety net than to be considered 100% reliable). With the testing I've done, fixing gas leaks significantly changes ejection angle and ejection authority. This suggests potentially a sizable increase in reliability from short dwell time systems that are often considered to be finicky and unreliable if mitigation is applied to the leaks. I attest much of the finicky unreliableness of these systems can be attributed to inefficient carriers with leaky gas keys. Most carriers on the market at this point are subpar in some department. I.E. - both of my BCM carriers have leaky gas keys and my friends BCM carrier even had a hugely oversized bolt tail seal. Luckily the rest of his system was sealed well enough that it ran fine but was ejecting more around the 4-4:30 area (16" mid, H1 I think).
@joelatkinson2080Ай бұрын
This would be great for a dedicated 11.5 suppressed rifle. Great video!!!
@dishwater17Ай бұрын
I genuinely love seeing projects like this. Will I ever get one? Probably not. Is it cool? Absolutely!
@rdljiiiАй бұрын
My RC2 would love this.
@geraldphillips8999Ай бұрын
To shoot both suppressed and super sonic rounds, a carbine length gas system is perfect in any barrel length between 11.5 and 13 inches. Good video and even better explanation. Thank you for your honesty.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@geraldphillips8999 for .300bo?
@geraldphillips8999Ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp for .300bo the carbine length system may be a bit much. Supers would operate just fine but subsonic may need a shorter gas system to build enough back pressure. This is partly why it's so hard to tune a gas gun in .300bo and 8.6bo. The powder used must burn completely before the projectile reaches the gas port. If you shoot subsonic rounds, or supersonic rounds, and there is unburned particles of gunpowder inside the system (can be seen down the bore, inside the chamber, on the bcg, etc...) then the incorrect powder has been chosen. Shooting factory ammo, we have no choice but to accept what is there. This is just my opinion. I have built hundreds of direct impingement guns, and once I started using the correct ammunition (full burn before the gas port) I noticed improvements in reliability and accuracy.
@MrgunsngearАй бұрын
🇺🇸
@65philoАй бұрын
Why do you KZfaqrs constantly drop your magazine to see what is there just to insert it back into the rifle.
@joshuabruce9920Ай бұрын
I agree. I think it's a bad habit
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@65philo it is a bad habit
@highdraggunsАй бұрын
Pretty cool to get an oddball request like this barrel made at your request! I'd be interested in one.
@SPECIESUNKN0WNАй бұрын
Getting that Big KAK Energy flowing.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
das right
@Peter11Fields19 күн бұрын
KAK always makes creative and innovative products
@FocusTripp17 күн бұрын
They are kind of interesting.
@halgwinАй бұрын
Great video sir ! Always good content here!!!
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@halgwin thanks man!
@triviszla1536Ай бұрын
Flexing his vast amount of pull with this one
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@triviszla1536 everything I got
@TheTeeWorldsfreakАй бұрын
Had a similar idea years ago I personally would still go for a 12.5 mid instead, for "guaranteed" unsuppressed usage
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
For extra dwell time it's a better general purpose way to go!
@miguelrojas1686Ай бұрын
11.5 ba modern series carbine. With brt ez tune .55 gas tube size. For dedicated suppressor use.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@miguelrojas1686 brt is another way to go, but you don't get the mid length system
@PDevoLi17 күн бұрын
I Just ordered one of the full KAK uppers with this 11.5 barrel. Hoping it runs great with my polonium and Rex can.
@FocusTripp17 күн бұрын
It should, those cans have enough back pressure.
@grantshurtzАй бұрын
If you haven’t yet, you may also check out the alpine research 11.5 mid. Very similar option optimized for suppressed use. Similar profile to yours, but iirc they have 5/8x24 threads with a tapered shoulder if you want to run a can that way (can also just put on one of the Rearden devices that supports a tapered shoulder)
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@grantshurtz very interesting
@taylorfreeman5504Ай бұрын
Great content. I love niche products! My wife doesn’t…. Because I often buy them.
@codybeez9504Ай бұрын
Currently Running a blackout defense 11.5 middy for a while now. Paired with a scs from JP, Lantac bolt, and griffin recce 5 it runs like a top with the can. Just picked up a bootleg bcg to mess around with as well!
@GldenRetrieverАй бұрын
The AR15 version of the cugir champion.
@RandomWrongDeletionАй бұрын
I’ve had intentions of doing this for a while, but I’d much rather have the Noveske 11.5” midgas from their Chainsaw over the KAK barrel. Great video brother and I love the concept!
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@RandomWrongDeletion maybe other mfgs will pick it up.
@charlesreeves3426Ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Yes sir. Number one, its hard to find one of the 11.5 middy Noveske barrles in stock and number two, 125.00 buck is way better than 300.00.
@charlesreeves3426Ай бұрын
The 11.5 midgas from Noveske is a slick set up. Runs great with 5.56 ammo. Even with a lower back pressure can (Velos). It doesn't do well with lower pressure .223, but that to be expected. Got to feed it the good stuff.
@albeidsm2046Ай бұрын
badass now i need to go and get one
@albeidsm2046Ай бұрын
would like to see to try a polonium k supressor or the banish speed k or banish 223
@gulkash1188Ай бұрын
Like for the like god, comments for the comment throne! I love this concept.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
your sacrifice has been received.
@camoandplaidАй бұрын
Seems like a good option for a GPR. May be time to switch out my old RGuns 11.5” to this. Yeh for Dissipators or whatever this is.
@petervsaysАй бұрын
I have a LMT 16" mid chopped to 11.5 with a BRT gas tube .074 or something around there, with a Sierra 5/Ebrake. It shoots nicely, barely any recoil, little input to put the dot back on target. everything is original except the super42 h2 buffer/spring.
@XxLeggZxXАй бұрын
I'd argue this is a MICRO DIssapator, but hey tomato tomatoes
@michaelmcatee221Ай бұрын
Such a cool product!!!
@stevenkennedy4130Ай бұрын
Thanks Hop!
@stealth7545Ай бұрын
hot take but i want KAK to have a front sight block option, i kinda want an FSB upper just for the utility when it comes to zeroing and stuff as well as sight alignment, IE the FSB is a good point of reference to get lined up similar to a pistols front sight sort of drawing your grip to line up, plus it looks cool when its recessed into the handguard
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
Can't fit a FSB on this barrel.
@jeremywatson9129Ай бұрын
Is there a supressor long enough to pin and weld to make this a single stamp affair?
@arcxccАй бұрын
there are plenty of suppressors longer than 5.5 inches
@MyLonewolf25Ай бұрын
Many But I’d just keep it a pistol
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@jeremywatson9129 most suppressors are long enough
@LyleH-13Ай бұрын
dunno if you go on to talk about it but i like the camo band as a pseudo loctite for the handguard screws.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@LyleH-13 it's actually just because those m4e1 set is fubar
@noidea3177Ай бұрын
SD here as well. My question is what happens this winter at -20 weather. Will it have enough gas to cycle then?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@noidea3177 depends on suppressors and ammo. I would recommend KAK open the gas port a little to give the user some more headroom
@Cowboy.underwaterАй бұрын
Having lived in a place that gets into the -20’s , what the hell are you doing outside in the -20’s? Stay inside you maniac 😅
@noidea3177Ай бұрын
@@Cowboy.underwater Training never stops. And you need to see which lubes/ammo/gear works. Even carrying appendix, you need to know which gloves will allow you clean, predictable access to the trigger housing.
@noidea3177Ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I saw your recommendation for that in the video. As it stands, your gun looks perfectly gassed. Opening up the port puts you slightly over-gassed and we're back to the original problem. I've stuck with the RifleSpeed AGB for that reason. I get 10-20% swings from summer into winter here in SD.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
That's just not correct. We wouldn't tune it up so far that it is overgassed. Right now it is ejecting at about 4 oclock with a carbine buffer and spring. If we tune it up to have a 3:30ish ejection with an H2 buffer, then when it gets cold you can swap in a carbine buffer to keep your bolt velocity up where it needs to be.
@mikeiso8963Ай бұрын
Sick.
@SolutreanSpearАй бұрын
Very cool video, good idea.
@PrayingPandaАй бұрын
I'm guessing the YHM suppressor gas block would be ill-advised on something like this right?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@PrayingPanda yes
@ZombieNewbАй бұрын
if you close the gas port just a tad and then do a riflespeed adjustable gas block, you'd pretty much cover all your bases when it comes to running any suppressor out there, right?
@charlesreeves3426Ай бұрын
You would wont to open the gas port up for that set up, but it would be slick.
@lucusallen42Ай бұрын
A barrel for an educated enthusiast
@DcsuardiАй бұрын
Machinist related question, and just something I see in my own shop infrequently - are the gauge pins you checked the gas port with a plus/minus set? I use almost exclusively minus pins, and have to factor in the slight difference when diagnosing problems or checking diameters. Thanks, if you have the chance to reply.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
Mine are + pins.
@MF-RellАй бұрын
Shidd Hop might be on top something!! Caught the Podcast and I'll be tuning in from now on! 🫡🦾
@IndependentArmzАй бұрын
I have been trying no crush washer peel washer on my barrels more lately. A'lot of times the muzzle device times perfectly. Was that a UTG bi-pod? I been curious about there higher end ones. Thanks for letting me share.
@ignaciovaccaro2745Ай бұрын
I believe that, just like how the original meaning of dissipator has morphed from midlength gas with rifle length FSB to simply a rifle length gas with the shortest barrel possible, the correct term for a shorty dissipator should be Kino. BCM and even KAK themselves produce a 12.5 *carbine* gas barrel with midlength FSB for more rail space that they call Kino. Thus, middy gas 11.5/12.5 = Kino
@PallyshoesАй бұрын
My guy, what optic mount and top dot mount are you running?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
SLX Nova with a Vector Frenzy up top.
@HeathLCKАй бұрын
Would like to see some videos of you doing some smithing on the Stoner platform.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@HeathLCK like what?
@williamboggs1682Ай бұрын
I love it
@JosephHarris-xp6phАй бұрын
Would it work with an OCL Polonium 5.56 duty suppressor installed?
@MrRhsmike189Ай бұрын
Definitely, the full size can is a gassy one.
@jsprague1988Ай бұрын
kak dealer? kak supplier. laying that pipe down
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@jsprague1988 yeye
@phoenixnfaАй бұрын
6:24 brother is that a crush washer?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
No, that's a shim
@lexy9232Ай бұрын
Lovely video! What's the second song?
@chrisjm981Ай бұрын
What about opening up the port and putting a Riflespeed adjustable gas block on?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@chrisjm981 why not just buy the faxon for that
@joshuabruce9920Ай бұрын
I mean couldn't you have any mid-length Barrel cut down to an 11.5? I get that could be pricey. What's the name of that company/individual I always hear everyone talking about having barrels cut down?......David Wilson? I know it's D Wilson
@MF-RellАй бұрын
Nah
@jalowery1246Ай бұрын
Nice
@scottrousseau297Ай бұрын
Mini Dissapator = Missy Tater
@SnadoАй бұрын
@focustripp how does that lpvo with the enclosed dot mount work for you?
@lordhellfire153Ай бұрын
So what would be the shortest possible barrel you could have a rifle length gas system on then? Is 16" as good as we get?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@lordhellfire153 probably 15" but nobody makes one
@lordhellfire153Ай бұрын
@FocusTripp probably better to just run the perma suppressed route with a 16 at that point so you don't have to deal with p&w
@Irishknukldrgr15 күн бұрын
I want a 12.5 Mid . criterion hybrid ,SOLGW L89 rail .Centurion carrier and bolt,,.dedicated ,surefire RC2...just cuz
@michaelmcatee221Ай бұрын
That ejection pattern is sexy!
@lolk4530Ай бұрын
Who up enjoying they KAK?
@thebelow25Ай бұрын
Go figure more G4P
@MannEliteАй бұрын
Nice two pound optics stack on a 11.5" rifle....
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
I test all types of optic setups, so yeah, my builds look ridiculous sometimes because I review stuff.
@flopus7Ай бұрын
So much gun stuff sucks cause it tries to do too much
@ZroCool_GarageАй бұрын
Could you run a FSB on this barrel?
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
No, too short.
@profshankyАй бұрын
You need at least 11.75" to run a FSB on a mid. I've got an old WarSport barrel set up as a "mini dissipator" irons-only training gun. Lots of fun. Ngl, I'm excited another 11.5" mid is going to be available, I've been running 11.5-12.5" mids for like 20 years and the market is pretty slim... Also, with a 0.075 port this *should* run unsuppressed with a LMOS, so that could be neat.
@welderdude1Ай бұрын
If it's dedicated why not go direct thread?
@LyleH-13Ай бұрын
correct sentiment.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
I actually don't have one, but yes in general that is the way to go.
@welderdude1Ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp check out the direct to ASR Bravo adaptors from Quell Tech, Sub Zero Supply, and Ecco Machine.
@HYDRAdudeАй бұрын
Is it actually softer shooting though? That's kind of the whole point of a Dissipator no?
@ignaciovaccaro2745Ай бұрын
Yes, unless you're comparing to a comically heavy 11.5, in theory this has the least bolt velocity that is still reliable (with a suppressor)
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@HYDRAdude yeah, did you watch the footage.
@HYDRAdudeАй бұрын
@@FocusTripp You just said less gas in the face, those aren't the same thing.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
What I mean is if you watch me shoot it, it is incredibly soft shooting for an 11.5"
@DanDannyDanielleBobАй бұрын
The next technical challenge is a 300blk 7.5" or shorter permanent supression that runs supers and subs. Must be h2 buffer so you can use the hbpdw brace setup
@weege5.45Ай бұрын
Integral suppressed
@peachfudsАй бұрын
Yeah fuck dwell time. We don't need that shit.
@paullee9160Ай бұрын
how do i get one of these? i would run it with turbo K also
@ignaciovaccaro2745Ай бұрын
KAK website
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
@@paullee9160 they should release soon
@RandomWrongDeletionАй бұрын
Noveske sells an 11.5” mid gas as well, currently in stock
@paullee9160Ай бұрын
@@RandomWrongDeletion yah.. i been eyeing it. but wanna try a cheaper one before the noveske 11.5. 1600 is alot of money to 'try'
@RandomWrongDeletionАй бұрын
@@paullee9160 They offer just the barrel as well, it’s under “Stainless Lightweight Barrel 5.56” and then select Commando 11.5” mid gas $360
@zoomermillenial9557Ай бұрын
DIY version of Silencer Shop SKU# YHM-7130
@vorpalanvilАй бұрын
lmao
@MyLonewolf25Ай бұрын
Personally all DISSY builds need a FSB they just look right
@RandomWrongDeletionАй бұрын
Hell No
@rl4416Ай бұрын
1st ?
@epicfortnitekid8536Ай бұрын
Nah some dude named “focustripp” commented 7 hours earlier
@rl4416Ай бұрын
@@epicfortnitekid8536 its him , but yuh i was close
@Token_Black_GuyАй бұрын
Loving the bo2 music
@DcsuardiАй бұрын
Machinist related question, and just something I see in my own shop infrequently - are the gauge pins you checked the gas port with a plus/minus set? I use almost exclusively minus pins, and have to factor in the slight difference when diagnosing problems or checking diameters. Thanks, if you have the chance to reply.
@FocusTrippАй бұрын
+ only.
@DcsuardiАй бұрын
@@FocusTripp I wonder if that’s why you got the readout you did on the gas port. It’s such a small difference and I imagine is truly a non-issue, but interesting nontheless. Thank you!