Suzuki DRZ400S vs Honda CRF250L: Which is the Best Dual Sport Motorcycle? (From a Guy Who Owns Both)

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Of all the awesome dual sport motorcycles available, the Suzuki DRZ400S and the Honda CRF250L consistently rank among the best. Basically any new dual sport rider will end up having to consider the Suzuki DRZ400S vs Honda CRF250L as part of their dual sport motorcycle purchasing decision. I'm lucky enough to own both the CRF250L and the DRZ400 and I've spent the last few months riding both and compiling my thoughts on the classic Honda CRF250L vs Suzuki DRZ400 debate.
Fortunately, they are both amazing, reliable, and capable dual sport bikes. You really can't go wrong with the CRF vs DRZ, no matter which choice you make. In the end, the DRZ400 ends up being the more capable bike, but there are significant concerns about the lack of 6th gear and fuel injection, both of which the Honda CRF250L has. I've loved both bikes, but the 250l is definitely the more beginner friendly of the two, while the DRZ400 is the bike with the most room to grow into in the long run.
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@ColoradoDualSport 3 жыл бұрын

As a DRZ guy with a DRZ channel I still find myself watching DRZ videos. Very well done sir, just found your channel.

@richardeckrotejr.9721 3 жыл бұрын

CDS, the reason for my DRZ purchase! 👍

@owenfarmer4197 3 жыл бұрын

Really torn between these two bikes. Been riding over thirty years. The jump analogy worked for me. Thanks.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear it

@justinclements3783 3 жыл бұрын

So which one did you get??

@caseyrice768 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not taking the jump! CRF for me!

@212driller 3 жыл бұрын

I think the 300l might be the way to go as long as you realize you might want to upgrade the suspension at some point.

@rolandstaines3249 3 жыл бұрын

I rode a crf250l in the Australian bush it went everywhere did it 100% sport on would go up 97% of any hill using the mid range power it would not let u down . The weight of the bike is only in your head . Momentum is your friend to keep u moving over the ground when in any thing tricky. It's got enough ground clearance to pop over any average log on the trail . With the 13 tooth front sprocket it's enough. Low down . Never under estimate these little bikes yes your not jumping rocks but it well get u home with a smile on your face every time . Who needs to spend big $$$$ for miles of smiles .

@chux11379 Ай бұрын

Drz 250: same great savings with a smile

@650thumper 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, that was helpful, especially the scenario at the end.

@emfl4437 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent review. Enjoy your perspective and both bikes.

@Pabloman333 3 жыл бұрын

I don't usually care for talk only, bike videos, but this is really good stuff! Thank you!

@MyRatrace 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, as a newer rider I really appreciate the info!!

@handsomerob9715 3 жыл бұрын

Both excellent bikes! I agree with everything you said! Excellent review, well done sir! Cheers

@cassieprice9479 3 жыл бұрын

Subbed! Thank you so much for thoroughly explaining my concerns between these two exact bikes that I have been pondering over which to buy. I am a brand new customer to the world of motorcycles in general and I want a dual sport for a first bike and you by and far have the best reviews for them. Thank you!

@captaintom9521 3 жыл бұрын

Your height and strength matter. If you are over 6ft and fit get a DRZ, under 6 ft get a 250L. If you're riding 20 miles on rode to then ride trails a 250L may be better. If mostly offroad a DRZ is better.

@fuujinmugen 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative, thank you. Looking at the CRF250L for my kid brother. Side note, I have serval Harleys, engine warmup takes 1 min max, your neighbour was flexing. Loved the 2 Hours later insert 😁 Best Regards from South Africa.

@RandomGRK 3 жыл бұрын

Your ability to convey this so well Is very welcome. Thank you

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

That's a very nice compliment. Thank you

@imyourhuckleberry357 4 жыл бұрын

Dork, I also have both bikes. The DRZ for me and the CRF for my beginner son. I have been riding dirt bikes since the 70's and consider myself as a good intermediate rider as my son has rode for two years now. I totally agree with your comparison with each bike but don't be afraid of the carburetor on the DRZ. More than likely it will last many many years and if it does fail it's super easy to work on. I feel the biggest difference between both bikes is absolutely the low end tractor torque of the DRZ that makes it soooo much fun to ride....Both bikes are great but like you said one is just better for the type of rider you are......Great video.

@adventureriders4515 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid... Agree with most of your points having ridden both bikes also.

@axellness 3 жыл бұрын

Hey man, Oregonian here. Saw your vid before it got featured on RideApart. Good stuff! keep it up.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, man!

@dovybar 3 жыл бұрын

How the heck did I miss this video... Awesome!

@rolandtiiroja 4 жыл бұрын

I had about 7 years of street riding experience (on 600cc bikes mostly). And a month ago I bought a brand new crf250l. I was afraid that it might be a bit too slow. But in fact, it pulls fine. I'm happy with it. Seat height and suspension is perfect, for me. My weight is 65kg and I'm 170cm short.

@edwardowen3212 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve gone from road riding to the DRZ400 in a weird shift and I love the thing. To date my riding history is a cbr125, ninja 250 (weirdly attached to that bike), 1998 GSXR SRAD 600, then 2006 GSXR600 and now moved to the DRZ400 as my first off-road bike. It’s now the only bike I own and for me it’s an absolute hoot. I’ll be straight in saying the seat height gets a lot of getting used to- but once you get over that, this single is so much fun. For a 400cc (which I expected to feel pretty tame), it has lots of pull and has- at least with and FMF exhaust- a sportsbike feel to the top end. Highly recommend as a short distance motorbike with an off-road capability which outstrips me. On Salisbury Plain right now and I couldn’t be happier with the bike. I’ll be interested to ride the CRF300L, but I honestly can’t see myself shifting this bike anytime soon- the engine is a gem. Ed

@KSMotoCafe 2 жыл бұрын

lol I feel like the neighbor with the Harley but secretly I want a dual sport which is why I am watching this. Great content man - subbed!

@erikshannon9137 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video! As a new rider at 55 years old, I have found your videos to be both inspiring and a big help. My only experience before selecting my first bike was the 2 day MSF basic riding course on a KLX250S and sitting on some bikes in showrooms. After much deliberation between the CRF250L and DRZ400S I went with the 2020 DRZ400S which I was able to get for $900 below MSRP. At 5’9”, 160lbs and 32” inseam I was concerned the DRZ would be to tall and planned to get a lower seat but I have found the bike to be fine and very forgiving. Of course I don’t know any better due to my lack of experience and I may regret my deicision but so far I have been having a blast. I do think the CRF250L is a great bike and in addition to the advantages you outlined I also thought that being able to get ABS for on-road use was another thing in it’s favor.

@jmart4005 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video! I have both bikes also and agree with your comments and summary! Here's my two cents as a casual 50 year old mainly dirt road rider: I don't notice any negative issues with the carb on the DRZ, mine starts, runs and idles flawlessly. I had to lower the DRZ using links and then I bought a stiffer rear spring. (Short legs...) Now that the bikes are the same height, I usually pick the CRF if I am planning to be on the pavement or it's a longer ride. I pick the DRZ if I am going to be more off road or on the trails. If i had to pick one bike, it would be the DRZ. Can you imagine a DRZ400 with a 6-speed trans.... :-)

@andrewhigginbottom6525 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, very informative

@skippythetownie3123 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, thank you!

@thadwilliams1299 Жыл бұрын

I bought a 2015 CRF250L as my first trail bike (I own a Tiger 800 as well but wanted a smaller moto to learn about dirt). It came with a 13T from sprocket and FMF power core exhaust. All I can say is it pulls strong and nice torque (might be due to the mentioned mods) has a nice "brap" , and brings a smile to my face anytime I pull the throttle. Never thought a 250 could be so fun. Thinking about getting a larger gas tank adding soft bags and doing some WA BDR's on it

@chadheath4565 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the DRZ400S vs CRF250L comparison video. At 55 years old, I am about to start riding for the first time and this video answered a lot of very important questions. I'm going with the CRF250L. I know I'm late to the party but hopefully very happy that I showed up.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

It's never too late, my man!

@BasicBibleStudies 6 күн бұрын

I've owned both and I'm really enjoying the 2016 CRF250L I'm 40 510 200 pounds and I'm pretty impressed with it. I've owned a couple DRZ400s , fun and has nice power. I don't know why though the drz felt so much heavier (probably seat height). I also have a 2004 crf250r and loving it right now. I go back and found 250r 250l lately. My 450 I just sold was great but too much power in the mountains and dirt/marble rocky, type roads. Conclusion, I'm really enjoying the 250s right now. Thanks for the video

@wesgrendo 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughtful insights. I am an older rider (50+) with about 180,000 road miles under my belt (BMW R75/5). I am gravitating toward the Yamaha XT250 for local riding on both paved and logging roads in my home state of Maine. I prefer air-cooled machines that are lightweight and easy to maintain. Suzuki has the engine metallurgy down pat, but the DR-Z400s is a bit much for me at my age. I like your channel and I am a new subscriber. Keep up the good work!

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I appreciate your kind comment!

@whalley1390 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree with you, I've been riding my 250L for two years and I too had my eye on the DRZ400S. I'm very ready to jump on the DRZ now, the 250L leaves you wanting for sure. Great video and keep up the great work friend 👍

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@BasicBibleStudies 6 күн бұрын

Nice explanation 👌

@chux11379 Ай бұрын

I fell in love with the best of both worlds a Suzuki drz 250 with electric and a kickstarter stock.Love ur footage brother🌮🤙🍻I have a 14 yr old I'm training as well

@nedmacallen 3 жыл бұрын

Great videos man, I’m really enjoying them. I just picked up a 04 drz 400 with 7k miles for 1250 it just needed fresh fuel and it’s been a blast running around town I can’t wait to hit the trails! It’s my second bike my first bike was a triumph Dayton 675 I’ve put over 20k miles on that one, I was trying to trade it for a drz but found that super cheap one now I have two bike haha!! It was such a good deal it even came with a 3 spot motorcycle trailer all for 2500. I’m all set thanks for the great content it jager s me excited to get out there and ride!

@omicrondec 2 жыл бұрын

$1,250?! I wish I could find DRZs that cheap in WA/OR.... Good for you!

@nedmacallen 2 жыл бұрын

@@omicrondec i was so lucky the older gentleman had no idea what to do with all the calls he was getting I’m glad I got ahold of him when I did technically I did pay 2500 for a 3 spot trailer and the bike I like the just split the cost and say it was only 1250 haha.

@Scoottoots 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, what a great comparison. Relevant for me, as I sold my crf250l after 7 years of good times on that bike. Now I'm thinking of getting back into a dual sport and looking toward the DRZ... or another crf250l. I like your jump analogy :-)

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Thanks for watching!

@grandriver3152 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video again. It's hard to imagine the Suzuki feels lighter as it sits there behind you, dwarfing the Honda.... But, I'll take your word for it.👍🌲

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely a personal feeling kinda thing. Not at all scientific 😄

@Mizak265 3 жыл бұрын

great review and comparison ! ... i want to say my DRZ that can be seen on my channel has no extra protection other than stock. it gets thrashed. my frame rails are beat up underneath but other than that.., call it lucky or whatever, i dont run sidecase covers of a aftermarket skid plate and ive had zero issues. actually something i plan on doing a video of, skid plate - aftermarker vs stock. keep up the vids thanks!

@randomlyTrees 4 жыл бұрын

Your comparison is fair and well thought out. I like what you said near the end about the CRF250L being the perfect bike for the rider you were, but the DRZ400 being the perfect bike for the rider you are now. Also interesting point about the feel of the CRF250L with the weight and balance. I feel the same way when comparing it to my much heavier DR650. The DR doesn't feel as tippy/unbalanced. Not to say that the CRF250L is overly top-heavy or anything...but, yeah. I know what you mean there. Great, informative video!

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the feedback!

@TheClimbeverest 4 жыл бұрын

I agree the 250L was the bike to start out on for me. I have a 450L now, but still holding on to the 250 as a back up and buddy bike. Nice video.. Just get a dual sport and start having fun....

@jaypuck6912 3 жыл бұрын

I dropped nearly 10 lb putting a Yoshi exhaust on, changed the seat, and added a Vortex to fix the choppy throttle. I can't imagine a better bike for the riding I do.

@crypto_prepper7554 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation, just what I was needing to hear! Im leaning towards the 250L, as a first time rider.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

You won't be disappointed

@0xsergy 3 жыл бұрын

Wrr is lighter and has more power and the 6th gear makes highway suck less.

@mbailey802 3 жыл бұрын

@@0xsergy way more expensive here in canada though

@0xsergy 3 жыл бұрын

@@mbailey802 yep, keep in mind the 250L is undersprung for the avg person so factor in suspension costs and the factory stiffer wrr starts looking cheaper. If you're under 170 it'll probably work fine though (the 250L). I'll tell you now if you want a 320lb bike go with the drz or the dr650, the drz weighs the same as the 250L but it'll suck less on highways. Dr650 is 40lbs heavier but at the same time I can cruise at 80 with a full week camping setup all day long.

@jaredabrahamson5281 3 жыл бұрын

I love my drz. Only 3 times in the forest so far and it’s impressed me time and time again, once you put some decent tires on it. I looked at both and wanted the more power with the drz. Nothing wrong at all going with the crf250l. It’s tough when they’re side by side at the dealer

@lcjjr.6714 3 жыл бұрын

Great video for shoppers trying to decide. For seasoned riders there is no comparison. The DRZ 400 is far superior and the Showa suspension is the best in the industry. The CRF 250 feels like a heavy underpowered mini bike compared to the DRZ. To make the DRZ even better, just drop 2 teeth off the rear sprocket for super smooth highway riding but still with plenty of low end tractor pulling torque. The DRZ is absolutely bullet proof. The DRZ carb is an advantage in my opinion and will never leave you stranded vs. the CRF electronic fuel injection.

@fastdude2002 3 жыл бұрын

I have been riding 2 stroke 250 motocross bikes for 25 years so when I decided 2 months ago to buy a dual sport I knew I didn’t want a 4 stroke 250, it would be too gutless. So I went with the DRZ to get the 400 and honestly it is also lacking in power big time but is still fun. I think because I ride 2 stroke dirt bikes, a Honda CBR600, and a Harley V-Rod I am accustomed to much more power and speed. The DRZ is maneuverable and relaxing to just putt around on, I don’t regret buying it for something new and different.

@ericweber1969 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! I'm a big guy, so DRZ all the way for me.

@sharky4027 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work on the video. I own a 1999 DR350SE. It has 6 gear and I love that on highway. Mine is stock with 6000 miles and carb has never been cleaned and runs great still. I would not let the carb scare anyone away. Ride safe.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@chrishart8548 3 жыл бұрын

I remember them in white purple and yellow in the showrooms brand new in that year. I bought a XR250R instead. Don't know if the drz was a good upgrade when it was a 5 speed. Same thing that put me off the xr400r (5 speed again) 250 is 6 speed. I run 14/44 (Not great off road)

@davidfalgout7304 4 жыл бұрын

Great Job Dork!

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@ferkuzuel 3 жыл бұрын

I love your videos, very good info. I recently sold me dr650 and got a drz400s, I personally find the drz starts getting a little noisey, at around 60-65 mph , Is the 250l more smooth at that particular speed on 6th gear ?

@vtrack1963 4 жыл бұрын

I also liked the thought given to “the rider you are today” vs “the rider that you want to be”, and that you acknowledged the capability advantage of the DRZ. The truth of the matter is all the 250cc class (and DRZ) dual sports are great bikes, and you can’t go wrong picking any of them. Nice video!

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

I agree. So many great bikes to choose from

@yamanator10 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah every bike is good except the Honda 250. It's far heavier and far underpowered compared to the wr250r.

@0xsergy 3 жыл бұрын

@@yamanator10 the Honda 250 weighs so much.. I don't know how they did it.

@yamanator10 3 жыл бұрын

@@0xsergy muh maintenance intervals n reliability

@yamanator10 3 жыл бұрын

@@0xsergy yes I had a xt600. It blew up on me sadly. I could pop little power wheelies over obstacles. There truly is no compromise when it comes to offroading. All I want is a street legal 250 2 stroke that weighs 212 lbs

@captaintom9521 3 жыл бұрын

I liked my 250L but it was to new and fancy to crash off road. I bought a used 03 DRZ and it's great. I'm not worried about dropping it, it's already got scratches. I put the lowering link on it to drop it 2 in. I'm 5.11 so it helped, and then I adjusted the rear shock to stiffen it up. Either bike will work and I would say the TIRES would make a Big difference while off-road. Get a good off-road tire and try to mitigate your road use

@alblake7494 3 жыл бұрын

Great video

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@fredturner4447 3 жыл бұрын

Great review. The 2 things I would ask is what is your inseam and how many years of riding between the 250 and 400 you did to feel comfortable with the upgrade.

@LuisMendez-lk3dj 2 жыл бұрын

I've been heavily thinking on the DRZ (I"m a new rider), for everything you mentioned but also the looks, I just love the vintage look. Been hesitating between a newer DRZ or a 1985 Xl350 or similar... just afraid of the bills and issues. I want to spent my time riding, not in the garage

@unclebilly1353 3 жыл бұрын

I use my drz as my daily commuter. I live in southern new Mexico. I have 17 miles of BLM land trail that takes me to work.( Less then a mile of black top.,) I have the bike set up for my weight and have done all the performance up grades. I ride the snot out of that bike i ride harder now at 57 then I think I have ever ridden. That bike always gets me home and back to work with a smile.I wouldn't trust any other bike but a drz .

@Crittermoto 4 жыл бұрын

Frighin’ Harleys! FYI.....I’ve jumped my CRF before 😜👍🏻 Great comparison video.

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

I have too 😁

@daveubik6302 3 жыл бұрын

Love my 2012 Crf250l bulletproof and great fun-great review dork

@rubberband7250 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dork, hey can you do me a favor, the head light test against the garage door. 250l/drz 400. Running and not running. Anyway thanks again.

@ckkrons2338 3 жыл бұрын

Last winter I wanted a 'lighter' dualsport to add to my 07 R1200GSA. I test drove a CRF250L Rally...bought a DR650. For me I have an hour to get to ORV parks so the power on a 250L wouldn't be enough for my 260lb frame.

@johnrodgers1241 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think you will do a DRZ400 v crf300 back to back video? I am extremely looking fwd to that video if you do it

@bobcat70r96 3 жыл бұрын

Love my CRF for where it takes me and how easily it does everything I want it to ❤️ As a life long Suzuki fan I’d love the DRZ more......but as a short arsed 5’7” on a daily ‘off road’ basis I think it’d maybe be an issue? I have ridden the DRZ and loved it......but that was on flat ground.....nothing ‘technical’......guess I’ll stick with the Honda 🤗

@hobzsgarage6130 4 жыл бұрын

The DRZ brings out the inner hooligan, I struggle to keep the front wheel down 😋 especially after the jet kit

@imyourhuckleberry357 3 жыл бұрын

Haaa...That's me too

@saltfeend 3 жыл бұрын

would you have a sprocket upgrade recommendation for the drz, that will make tops speeds more comfortable to ride? I guess without compromising too much low end, slower rpm power? curious if there is a happy medium between that 6th gear, and a new sprocket.. thx!

@1969cmp 3 жыл бұрын

Just bought a 2019 DRZ400e here in the Ozzie desert.....nice forks though I have yet to balance between from and rear....I do look for an extra gear on the road....it does have an odd feeling a fuel starvation from time to time but only on the rough (could be a quirk on my bike that I need to sort out..?..or it could be my riding style) Engine chews rocky up hills - heaps of torque. Handles well.

@chrissorlie6497 3 жыл бұрын

Extremely well done. You mght change your site name to "Teacher in the Road". Very well done.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

That would be appropriate, considering my day job

@chrissorlie6497 3 жыл бұрын

@@DorkintheRoad I think I know. I'm a retired Optician. Taught Optics. Loved teaching. Loved the "Ahh Haaaaa! I get it!" moment. The kid's eyes are dancing. Their mouth is open. My last bike was a Yamaha RD 400 two stroke. (yeah, that far back. I'm 71. ;-) ) Bad accident. I recovered. Riding wasn't the same after that but I still miss it in the spring. I've not ridden the Honda. (I did have a Honda Tl125 trials bike) My first bike was a Honda Benly 150. I have ridden a Dz400. Very nice. You're "take the jump" analogy was pure teaching. Sort of "puttng clothes on an abstract idea". I was always a "take the jump" kind of guy! Had another non vehicle accident. Brain bleed / surgery. Sadly my motorcycle days are over. My brother has a Vstrom 650 Orange with bags. I've ridden it a few times. I always thought of it as "the Japanese Ducati". Anyway, nice work Sir.

@walkerskii 3 жыл бұрын

EXCELLENT VIDEO THANK YOU!What year is your DRZ? And what year is your Honda CRF?

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

CRF: 2016. DRZ: 2020.

@JTinGA 3 жыл бұрын

Great video ! I appreciate the logic and "feel" that you used to describe these two bikes and how to choose. I think I'm in-between right now. One of my considerations is that I like to take mine camping (glamping) ... and want to ride 2-up with my wife. Does either one have a seat advantage for (very tame) back-road / dirt-road riding with a passenger ? (I used to have a CRF250L ... regrettably sold it ... and now picked up a CRF230M (with 60/40 knobbies) ... and it's a heap of fun ... for one rider. Looking at CRF250L / DRZ400S / maybe DR650. Any thoughts ? KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK ! JT in GA

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

If you want to ride 2up I'd strongly recommend looking at the 650s. My CRF struggled with just my daughter and I on it

@sausagesandwichSA 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff....First bike, I went with the CRF pretty much based on your thoughts. DRZ, DR and Wr250r were all in the mix. 3 years and 24,000km later I doubt I'll change for a while....don't even know what to. Of course if Honda released a 450ish with long servicing....that could be it.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

That would be like the perfect bike, if it was cheaper than the 450L

@luisrod106 3 жыл бұрын

I wanted the crf450l but the services intervals n prices killed it for me

@duck9191 4 жыл бұрын

I just picked up a 2001 drz400s. Bit of an upgrade from my bashan storm lol. Lucked out, some already put 02+ forks on it.

@RantzBizGroup 4 жыл бұрын

And, if you gear the DRZ to 14 / 47 or more you'll get better control. The stock 44 on the back doesn't give you control until you're between 9 and 16 mph. You'll want good control at about 7 mph.

@clintr1221 2 жыл бұрын

I'd love your input now that Honda released the new CRF300l (& rally) compared to the not-updated DRZ.

@ruiribeiro1974 4 жыл бұрын

Completely agree that the power and the suspension are the two major advantages of the DRZ. Also if the way you intend to use it is to load it on the truck and ride the trails, the DRZ is probably the best choice, if otherwise, you want to ride it for long trips on mixed pavement (including A roads) the vibration on the DRZ will not help (a big plus for the CRF250L that you didn't mention). I decided to keep the CRF250L and saved the money, by not buying a DRZ. (I personally don't feel i'll ever need more power with the 13/40 gear ratio, it's an age thing 😁) I decided to upgraded to a SeatConcepts, the suspension (Ohlins back, Racetech front) and the Tank (being less expensive than trading the bike for a new one). In summary, I'll keep it until I turn 100 years old and can't ride it anymore (I'm sure the CRF will outlast me). 😎

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

It will definitely last a very long time!

@alexanderortizmaldonado215 3 жыл бұрын

How long have been some highway trips that you have made? And at what speed? I am trying to decide based on these things. It would help a lot.

@ruiribeiro1974 3 жыл бұрын

@Alexander Ortiz Maldonado I recommend you try it yourself first, take a lender or something, but here is my experience: The last big trip was last November (www.adventurecountrytracks.com/act_portugal/), a 7 days/3000 Km north to south of Portugal (2 days to get from home to start and from finish back home), with every kind of pavement, the top speed we tend to stay at, on Highways, is about 90-110 km/h, when alone I'm even slower, you can do higher speeds but we like to relax and enjoy the views (and save the tires). We did around 200 km Highway for the trip, because we like to avoid Highways/Toll Roads whenever possible (on any bike actually). Sometimes, only off-road, I feel happy to go allot faster for small amounts of time (5 mins a day and that's enough :)), the 250L is plenty capable to go fast off-road (even with stock suspension, but that starts to be a bit sketchy). BTW: Also own an Africa Twin 2018, and for more serious off-road or TET like trips I take the CRF 250 L, it's a worry free go anywhere experience (and allot cheaper too). More recently also did "O Nosso Dakar 2020", look it up, it's about 450Km highway to get there and back for me. Hope this helps you. (Check out this crf 250 rally doing it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nt17nMSI0s68cas.html )

@nicstokes236 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a proud drz owner converted from a wr250f, I can never imagine selling my drz it is incredible. Lack of 6spd is not an issue at all can still cruise at 110 just need some anti-vibe handlebar mounts for long rides, the carby needs all of 4 seconds of choke to start even in freezing temps and can be driving as soon as I've got my gloves on, get it jetted and tuned by someone experienced and wow...snap the throttle open you will slide to the back of the saddle from the grunt

@nicstokes236 3 жыл бұрын

Also I have a hollowed out muffler and I get backfire and burbles on suddenly closed throttle...it gets a lot of head turns

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

It's a fantastic bike for sure

@eskayler66 4 жыл бұрын

So you have been riding for only 4 years. Me, riding since 1955. So it's the opinion of a beginner. I have a 20 year old DRZ400S. I have two sets of wheels, 21" and 19" for dirt and two 17" for the highway. The DRZ is taller, i have a hard time reaching the floor (5'6" tall, 30" inseam) specially in the street on the way out to the country. Stop lights are a b**ch. But i agree with your opinion on both bikes. And i did like your video.

@garageliving3658 4 жыл бұрын

As a short rider I chose crf250l. 5ft6 140 I dont mind the bikes weight off road cuz it seems to take bumps better since I'm lighter. New rider as well and ride 50/50 road

@TheDemoncorn 4 жыл бұрын

The 250L gets 17hp to the wheel. BUT, it can get the full 24 if you do stage 1 mods. I'm not sure about the DRZ, but with that, you can drop $800 and get a carb that makes it almost fuel injected. And you got me wanting a DRZ, thanks to Hake The Garden Snake, he showed the carb id5get for it

@johnrodgers1241 2 жыл бұрын

Love your vids mate, I have watched heaps of content and find yours the best suited for me. I’m 5ft 10 like you and I weigh more than the average rider around 110kgs. I be been riding bikes for years but just on flat rural properties with sand and Forrest tracks. On a DT 175 and TTR230. Im looking for a duel sport and tossing up between the CRF300l and DRZ400. Really interested in your thoughts between the 2 as every other comparison video everyone is a small light fame build. Really stuck which of the 2 to buy. what are your thoughts ?

@DorkintheRoad 2 жыл бұрын

I think you'll be happy with either but as a more experienced rider you'll appreciate the extra power and fun the DRZ provides. Also the suspension is way better on the DRZ. I find the Honda too squishy for my weight.

@johnrodgers1241 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your reply, I hear by a lot of people how heavy the DRZ FEELS to steer, how heavy is the steering and controlling compared to the CRF300?

@jamescunningham2306 3 жыл бұрын

Just want too point something out about the Honda 250l. It weighs 320 pound's aluminum frame. I have a xt 250 twin cam from 1984 its all steel frame 320 pound's. Not that it's a big deal the Honda great bike want one,but same weight with similar performance,miles per gallon,only thing that separates them is fuel injection, and 30+ year's🤔. The Honda should be lighter but it's not. But thank you for pointing something out on your channel👍,about both the the bike's weight when I compared too my 84. I'm going with the DRZ,and thank you for helping me make my decision keep up the good work🖖.

@anthonyfox5337 3 жыл бұрын

CRF250L frame is steel ! its just painted to look like aluminium.

@timlubbers2884 3 жыл бұрын

Owned both at a point in the past ... Being a mountain rider, the carburator on the Suzuki is a non-starter (couldn't even get the drz to idle on mechanics pass) ...

@quikboarder93 4 жыл бұрын

No regrets getting a WR250R. Probably still underpowered compared to the DRZ, but EFI, a 6th gear, and the lighter weight make up for it

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

WR is an excellent motorcycle

@user-vf5ng2nc3z 3 жыл бұрын

The new wr has fuel injection? Never realized that.

@quikboarder93 3 жыл бұрын

B yep, starts right up every time! (So far... knock on wood 😂)

@dickwest6018 3 жыл бұрын

The WR250R has had FI since it came out. I have a 2008 WRR. Never had any problems with it in any way. Feels much lighter than it is. And much, much lighter than the DRZ, which I have owned a few since 2000. WRR is happier when ridden a bit more aggressive too. Valve adj check.............at 26,000 miles. Put a larger tank on it, (easy to do), Seat Concept seat and you're set.

@quikboarder93 3 жыл бұрын

Dick West agreed! Seat concepts seat, 3 gallon (or more) tank, skid plate, and radiator guard are all must haves. Wider foot pegs and hand guards are a good idea for more off-road use too.

@willyd-adv 3 жыл бұрын

Now the 300L is out it it makes the choice between the 2 even harder. I still can't choose 😔

@ficklepickle2495 2 жыл бұрын

same! i’m so torn. leaning towards 300l because of ABS

@willyd-adv 2 жыл бұрын

@@ficklepickle2495 sadly for me when the 300 arrived in NZ last week it has had a price hike of over $1000 so its not worth it for me now

@SWTrailsAndWheels 3 жыл бұрын

Great decision making scenario at the end! LOL!

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy to someone appreciated it 😁

@dualsportedc 3 жыл бұрын

I’m wishing I had gotten a DRZ. I had a KLR650 back in 2012 and I used to be able to ride it like a motocross bike. I was younger and stronger back then though. And I didn’t have a bad knee. Now I ride a 2018 KLR and I definitely notice the weight when I’m out shredding through trails. I can still do it but man does it beat me up and if I drop it it’s definitely a back killer to pick back up and my knee hates lifting it too. I’m thinking I want to get something like an Africa Twin for the street and just go get a DRZ400S, XR650L, DR650, or maybe even a CRF450L for when I want to go F around in the hills

@landonlehman5497 Жыл бұрын

Africa twin and drz400s would be a great combo.

@co19391 3 жыл бұрын

Having both bikes I completely agree. But at the end of the day I would rather have the drz. I'd rather hit that jump and not bottom out.

@mikhailglobus6766 3 жыл бұрын

After watching a few of your videos, I just realized what’s been putting me off in the beginning of each one. Finally understand - the little pixel bikes are aligned in the wrong order. Shouldn’t the upper, inner circle one be slightly behind?! Jk of course, but still!

@paulb2769 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Dork! A couple of quick questions how about fuel economy for both bikes? And also a comparison of valve adjustments maintenance intervals on both? Even though I know both are very good machines would the DRZ be somewhat better in quality because it is made in Japan? Thanks ... Paul

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

Valve check intervals are crazy long and about the same (15k/16k) but these bikes are so rock solid by reputation that a lot of people don't even do them then, from what I hear. CRF gets better mileage but the DRZ has a bigger tank so you end up getting about the same number of miles per fill up. Both bikes have stellar reputations for dependability and longevity, so I personally am not too concerned where they're manufactured.

@ChrisSandstorm 2 жыл бұрын

I am just getting back into riding. I am an aggressive mtn biker. But I am not tal 5'6". I live in Colorado. So will ride Mtns and Utah Desert. The seat height has really got me spooked. I was looking at a Husqi but the seat height was intimidating. I feel like a Yamaha XT250 might not be enough bike for me long term. So really torn between the Suzuki DRZ400 and Honda CRF300L.

@nickgiard8553 3 жыл бұрын

How well does the 250L do in the highway? Can it even do highway speed? I went from a klr 650 to a huge 1600 cruiser but want to go back to dual purpose. I was looking at drz but you are swaying me on the honda a bit. The klr was a pig off road. Maybe change the front the sprocket on the Honda for the highway.

@888jimmy 3 жыл бұрын

I am asking myself the same question... how did I miss this video... and why didn’t I look at the drz before buying the crf. Anyhow made the mods and have the crf cranking. Just need to stiffen marshmallow treat suspension 😏

@ronsexton3685 2 жыл бұрын

Which would be better for the sandy rocky roads around Las Vegas? 31" inseam, 6'1".

@hillquestdualsport 3 жыл бұрын

Great review. I got the 250L as a newer rider for off road because of your recommendation. I too have matured as a rider and am now looking at the 400S for next year for the exact reasons you described. Thanks. BTW, I want to send you a sticker for your locker. Please email me the location I can send it.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to put up your sticker! What's your email address? I'll send you my address.

@hillquestdualsport 3 жыл бұрын

@@DorkintheRoad hillquestdualsport@gmail.com

@SammyBenitez 3 жыл бұрын

In this crazy market we are in (summer 2021), the only used and new bikes I can find in my area on the market more than a couple days is the DRZ. I’m not a carb type person, and I’m looking for my first bike. I’ve been sticking to looking for a CRF or KLX. This makes me want a CRF still. Lol.

@alanthompson723 3 жыл бұрын

So I’m 56 and 250 lbs. Rode a lot of stuff. But the seat heights is killing me and having trouble getting on it. Gonna lower it 2”. Will that hurt anything?

@glenndanzigg712 4 жыл бұрын

Dude, I have to completely disagree with you about the carburetor. I’d rather be able to fix my carb far out on the trail than have the fuel injection fail. Old school tried and true. Nice video, I wheel a KLR 650 off-road, the DRZ would feel like a 250 to me. Cheers

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't say it bothered me. Said it was a concern for some. 😁 I'm not one of them

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

Also I love your username

@jadr5989 4 жыл бұрын

This is a really helpful video, thank you. Do you think rider weight would play any factor in this comparison? Example, I'm looking for my first bike right now, I'm actually leaning toward the DRZ due to my weight being about 240-250lbs (working on that), I'm 6ft tall. I'm thinking the extra low end torque and better suspension would be helpful. Fire road and trail riding only in my situation.

@jadr5989 4 жыл бұрын

@@latituderider Thats great info, thank you. Exactly what I needed know.

@DorkintheRoad 4 жыл бұрын

I'm the same weight as you. I will say that I bottomed out the CRF suspension fairly often and I've ridden the DRZ a lot harder and it hasn't bottomed out yet Power wise the DRZ is more fun, but the CRF will get you anywhere you want to go, in my experience

@RugerM77 4 жыл бұрын

ja dr I’m 227 lbs (down from 260) and I have no issue with my 250L. I’m not a hardcore rider and have changed sprockets (13/42 from stock 14/40). It made a world of difference power wise (better off road). I also upgrade front fork springs and Gold Tech valves. Much better response off road but not so much on road. I love my CRF but I’m not a highly skilled rider that can blast thru the woods like others.

@swedbear4035 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid! How would you compare the wrr and the drz? I'm tall, so leaning more towards the wr than the crf.

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

WR is like the CRF with a better suspension and more ground clearance plus slightly more power. It's a great bike and far more modern than the DRZ, but the DRZ is going to have the power advantage. I always recommend riding both if you can!

@marcparadis9647 3 жыл бұрын

@@DorkintheRoad I solved the problem, I bought both! ;)

@anthonyroger5533 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Sir,what do you say about Kawasaki endurance 300cc 33 bhp?

@waynemartin2544 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think the non adjustable soft ride of the CRF could make it feel heavy?

@keesverhagen9227 3 жыл бұрын

Probably you should also update this video sir!!! In the meantime Honda has come out with the CRF 300 . The L or the Rally version. And both are fine machines. Where the Rally version is far more comfortable to get you over tarmac while heading to your favourite offroad spot. With this year Honda's update both CRF's in my humble opinion have gone up the ladder quite a bit. I has come also offroad a bit closer to the DRZ. The DRZ still has more punch but with all the extra's Honda has been putting in both their models there is really the need for you to buy one of them and make a new video.Just out of respect to Honda.🤭😏 And i think that you will love them and definitly won't be sorry that you bought one. At the moment own a KTM 1190 R. And probably a lot of you folkes won't agree with me. But i really think that the CRF 300 Rally would actually be a better bike for a long big adventure trip through Russia and Mongolia. Have been cruising on my fat lady in Norway and Sweden. Her big butt has seen a lot of gravel, trees and plain dirt. But the big lady get me tired. Hopping on a tiny and smaller girl will keep you going much longer. And in the end will be much more satisfying. And it is much easier for a smaller girl to keep her down with a tight grip and keep on going not ?? 🙄 But you have to give her some prosthetics if you are fond of her and want to use her a bit longer. Also to ride her harder. And if you do this little small girl will tick you in all the right places.👍👍

@zolibartalos 3 жыл бұрын

Can i replace the need of a 6th gear with better sprocket kit on the drz 400 for better top speed?

@cs0rr_ 3 жыл бұрын

I want a drz sm so bad but they’re going for 5.5k-6.5k in my area and the 250L are going for 3-5k I really want a 400 and a super Moto but might settle for the 250

@imoldgreg13 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. What is the top, or cruising, speed you get with each bike on the highway?

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

DRZ: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o6x6Z6l_2c7bl3k.html 250L: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l7Cqo7Z7zZ6ufYU.html :)

@imoldgreg13 3 жыл бұрын

@@DorkintheRoad Great! thanks

@scottjackson163 3 жыл бұрын

I wish I could get folks to stop equating low seat height with beginning rider status. I’m 5’ 6” (29 inseam) and I’m definitely not a beginning rider. I ride aggressively off-road and I would definitely take that jump. Do you have any advice on whether it would make more sense for me to go with the CRF 250L and work on the “low torque” problem with sprocket changes, or get the DRZ 400 and work on seat lowering?

@DorkintheRoad 3 жыл бұрын

If you like to ride aggressively you will not enjoy the 250L, especially if you're already experienced. The suspension is squishy and not adjustable. DRZ is going to be a much better option for you, even if you have to lower it.

@leogsparta6340 3 жыл бұрын

I had both... the crf is gutless, needs to be geared to a 14/33-34 to walk it up.. the DRZ is is my favorite bike I have ever owned...... just a blast to ride...

@Iz0pen 2 жыл бұрын

Your my top motorcycle channel now since I had to cut fortnine due to excessive soy

@666dynomax 2 жыл бұрын

Well i sold my 2016 drz400 last fall thinking it was going to be easy to replace yada yada, didn't happen yet. Looking at prices I should have kept it!!! Sold really because i did find it a bit heavy on the slow trails we ride (kids are on crf110 and crf125). Little disapointed you say the DRZ feels lighter and less top heavy than the 250L, maybe I should look at other bikes (ktm??) Don't know. Maybe I had the ultimate bike already. Certainly didn't love the carb on the DRZ and really wanted that 6th gear... Anyway, 1-2yrs I thought i'd put the older kid on whatever bike it is i buy this season. What should I be looking at??? Another DRZ?? Maybe I just go dirt bike for the next couple years and get him a street/trail when hes 16