Swimming Pool Grounding Repair | Equipotential Bonding Grid Repair

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Electrician Ron

Electrician Ron

Жыл бұрын

In this video you’ll see how an in-ground pool grounding system is connected to the electrical system. Swimming Pool wiring can be lethal if it’s not done CORRECTLY. This video will show you how to make the necessary repairs to a broken equipotential bonding grid and how to make pool wiring safe by bonding conductive materials around the swimming pool.
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@SoundAloneband
@SoundAloneband 27 күн бұрын
This is such a misunderstood subject down here in Florida. People even inspectors get it wrong. Bonding and grounding are not the same thing. This purpose of to give equipotential bonding between all points of the pool that could become energized. A lot of people here think this line connects to ground back in the panel. It's not the same thing. Thank you for going into detail.
@jimanderson4495
@jimanderson4495 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron. Absolutely I enjoy these vids. Keep em coming.
@jeffreylonigro1382
@jeffreylonigro1382 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making these. I like your straightforward approach.
@johnwalker890
@johnwalker890 6 ай бұрын
Good job Ron.
@vince6829
@vince6829 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@johnc6343
@johnc6343 Жыл бұрын
We most def like the content so keep it coming 👊
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
More to come!
@waynedoomad2573
@waynedoomad2573 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Ron you ate saying if there no gfci protection. Before it's not required
@michaelsalvato6081
@michaelsalvato6081 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mindyheller8907
@mindyheller8907 Жыл бұрын
Ron, Great video as usual! thank you! I'm looking to start installing pool wiring. Do you have a step-by-step?
@Michael-qv9ku
@Michael-qv9ku Жыл бұрын
Hey Ron I’m an electrical apprentice right now I’m in my third year and your videos really have taught me a lot and are very helpful especially for young guys learning the trade appreciate it keep up on the content!!
@michaelcollins5438
@michaelcollins5438 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully they will rebond the fence if they put it back up. Keep up the good work, the videos are informative and interesting, thanks
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
I don’t think they’ll be putting the fence back in but I could be wrong.
@jasospicassos5230
@jasospicassos5230 Жыл бұрын
When installing the ground lugs to the metal around the pool do you have to buff the surface of the metal where it is clean so the lug and steel make good connection or does it matter? Thank you for sharing.
@wirenut8803
@wirenut8803 Ай бұрын
Another great video. Question for you. With an above ground pool what’s the best way to get a stainless steel bolt and nut into the support post for the lug since self tappers aren’t allowed? If the pool is already constructed when you get there how are you supposed to get inside the post?
@electricalron
@electricalron Ай бұрын
It's a bit of a pain in the ass but if you take back the vinyl/ plastic cover off of the steel support, at the bottom you'll find steel. What you need to do is drill a hole and use a Tap and die set up. Actually Klein tools sells a hand held threading tool for 6/32, 8/32, 10/24, etc. Or, drill a hole and use a nut and bolt. Hope this helps.
@privatesender5281
@privatesender5281 11 ай бұрын
Hi Ron, good video. It's not often that a person can find a picture/video of what is underneath the concrete surrounding a pool! I digress. My understanding is that the bonding lug on a pool pump motor is connected only to the metal case of the motor - it is not connected to the electrical ground connection of the motor. If this is correct (I'm not sure completely). Also, when all of the metal objects associated with the pool are connected together (bonded) with code required materials, then all that has really happened by bonding them is that from an electron's point of view, all of those different metal objects (railings, ladders, water, pump motor, heater, etc.) all "look like" a single conductor and there is no opportunity for a voltage difference (potential) to occur between any two or more objects under any conditions. This understanding comes from your comments from a few months ago where you said the bonding grid only gets connected to the lug under the filter/pump and "no grounding rods". Can you confirm my understanding? Thanks! BTW, I'm just a guy, not an electrician.
@electvolt67
@electvolt67 5 ай бұрын
Connected to the pump, yes. Connected to the equipment grounding conductor, no. No ground rods!!
@mcm3566
@mcm3566 Ай бұрын
Wow it would scare me not to use a gfci breaker now even though not required back then.
@johnmazzocchi7116
@johnmazzocchi7116 Жыл бұрын
Good Morning Ron Thanks for the videos and keep up the good work!! I have a question. Are the split bolt connectors that you are using made for direct burial only?
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
No, you could use them anywhere.
@residenceb
@residenceb Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Ron. One question for you. When doing the bonding grid I’ve seen a lot of people doing as you did around the pool with just one wire going around the pool and connected at different point to the structure. I’ve also seen people doing a 2 or 3 feet by 12” bonding grid with some pre built grids. In which instance do you use one or the other? Obviously using one cable is much easier but which method would you use for a gunite pool with no decking (ie:just coping and grass around the pool). Thanks.
@electricalron
@electricalron 8 ай бұрын
If it can conduct electricity then it must be bonded.
@aaron74
@aaron74 Жыл бұрын
Neat n' tidy
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
That’s important to my company.
@mikegradwell6814
@mikegradwell6814 21 күн бұрын
I'm wondering how many points around the steel wall you are connecting the bonding to? Is it necessary to put a lug on each individual wall panel? Thanks, it is a well done video.
@electricalron
@electricalron 21 күн бұрын
If it’s a conductive frame (4) points and the water too. NEC 680.26
@mikegradwell6814
@mikegradwell6814 18 күн бұрын
@@electricalron Does a sacrificial anode connected to the bonding satisfy the water aspect?
@FixItWithMe
@FixItWithMe 8 ай бұрын
Could u please make a video regarding which types of connectors u use to connect the 8 AWG copper wires? Also, can u place 3 wires into one connector? Thank you!
@electricalron
@electricalron 8 ай бұрын
The lugs are usually only rated for (1) conductor and they must be rated for direct-burial.
@rockyesterline7942
@rockyesterline7942 2 ай бұрын
Where did you ground it After the fence was gone
@aerofart
@aerofart Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that while the NEC has very specific mechanical installation requirements, nothing in the NEC that I’ve seen so far requires or even suggests (well, maybe implies) taking electrical measurements after the work is done to verify/confirm that a system is working as intended. Ron, do you take any measurements of your work? For example, in this case it seems to me that continuity and resistance measurements at various points might be a good idea. Also, while those connections you made are great, time always takes a toll. Would you ever consider waterproofing those connections so as to prevent corrosion and failure of the contacting surfaces (between the wire clamp and the pool frame)? Maybe it’s just me but I’d grind off some of that oxidation before installing those clamps.
@jeffreylonigro1382
@jeffreylonigro1382 Жыл бұрын
@@HGlez-el5ch what? Is this just a number you like? There are resistance (ohmic value) charts which list what the ohmic value should be per 1000 feet of a given awg. Then do some math.
@randykemble
@randykemble 9 ай бұрын
I have measured several pools and the ones that make me feel the best are the ones with an equal resistance value no matter what 2 items on the grid you may use as contact points with your meter leads.
@mrbugenhagen3364
@mrbugenhagen3364 Жыл бұрын
So if the pool pump is GCFI protected any ground fault in the motor itself should trip the GFCI before any current could travel anywhere near the pool. So the bonding around the pool must be to prevent any voltage potential difference in the ground itself in which current could flow between grounding rods from different transformers or possibly metal pipes in the ground around the city?
@electvolt67
@electvolt67 5 ай бұрын
Correct....almost. It has to do with voltage drop from the main station or sub.
@stevencole7331
@stevencole7331 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if they used brass pipe for the pool light but I think 30 years ago it was the standard . if so would you not need to bond the pool light with the # 8 wire as the brass pipe provides the bond ?
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
You would be correct about the brass pipe being used as a raceway and bonding wire.
@stevencole7331
@stevencole7331 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnThomas-lq5qp Everything is subject to damage and corrosion . Ron was called to this job because the wires got damaged . How many times the damaged is ignored or not seen and is just covered back up .
@stevencole7331
@stevencole7331 Жыл бұрын
@@JohnThomas-lq5qp As they say water and electricity don't mix . Ground fault breakers have been a great benefit to those water related electrical devices . Now I don't remember a time of having a pool where individuals got shocked . We had a above ground pool in the 60s and 70s that never had a problem electrically with none of the protections today . Now I ran into bathtubs with voltages on the drain rings in older houses with the cast iron sewer lines
@dejandokic1984
@dejandokic1984 4 ай бұрын
Hey Ron, are you not required to use #8 bare solid wire to loop around the pool?
@electricalron
@electricalron 4 ай бұрын
Bare or insulated says the 2020 NEC.
@ampereelectric6346
@ampereelectric6346 Жыл бұрын
I don't agree with you on the equipotential bonding purpose, the key words are EQUIPOTENTIAL BONDING, so pretty much its purpose is to bring everything to the same potential (voltage) and minimize shock hazards.Even though the OCD is gonna trip and do its job if the water or something else (equipment related with the pool) gets energized, the main goal here is again to reduce the difference of potential in or around the pool areas because at the end is that what kills you.
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
I agree with that 100%. Did I say something wrong in my video?
@user-rs8vp1nj8t
@user-rs8vp1nj8t Жыл бұрын
Hey Ron, my pool was installed in 2000 and I’m fairly certain I saw the bonding installed before concrete was poured. Now I’m getting low voltage shocks from every metal component around the pool. I’m assuming the concrete will have to be removed in order to find the break in the bond? I’ve also checked the wiring of the 120VAC pool light, which is wired to a GFCI breaker. My concern with the light is the ground wire coming into the breaker box was intentionally left disconnected. Is there a valid case for leaving the ground wire disconnected?
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
For a pool? Never.
@randykemble
@randykemble 9 ай бұрын
Have you tried testing the EBG with a meter?
@user-rs8vp1nj8t
@user-rs8vp1nj8t 9 ай бұрын
@@randykemble yes, I’m not seeing continuity to ground or between parts around the pool. I’ve traced a ground wire from the ground rod to where it goes under the concrete towards the pool
@randykemble
@randykemble 9 ай бұрын
There are a few questions which need to be answered. 1) what kind of “pool”? 2)what kind of deck? 3) how many metal items? 4) what kind of meter 5)how long and what size is your test wire?
@Cosme422
@Cosme422 Жыл бұрын
Why install insulated wire, Doesn’t it defeat the purpose of equal potential to the surface when you’re walking on the deck? I’m installing one monday and the instructions from the pool company and township is that it has to be bare.
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
Are you a licensed electrician?
@michaelnies9684
@michaelnies9684 Жыл бұрын
It appears that only the metallic items were bonded in this video and not the ground covering around the perimeter of the pool. Perhaps that's the next video.
@kevonslims7269
@kevonslims7269 Жыл бұрын
The purpose of bonding is that you want all the conductors like the pool water, stairs, pump, pool enclosure, fence to be at the same potential. Let’s say you’re in the pool and the stairs are not bonded and there’s a stray 12 volts on the metal stairs, because the water and the stairs are at a different potential that stray 12 volts could kill you in the pool water..
@haroldrobinson-nx3mw
@haroldrobinson-nx3mw 8 ай бұрын
The ground wire in my inground swimming pool broke off inside the Niche. What can l do?
@electricalron
@electricalron 7 ай бұрын
Take it out and re-tap the enclosure to bond it.
@BIGMAN8435
@BIGMAN8435 Ай бұрын
How come you didn’t use bare copper wire
@electricalron
@electricalron Ай бұрын
Because I like to use insulated
@jillserviss5848
@jillserviss5848 9 ай бұрын
I thought the wire was supposed to be bare
@rb8049
@rb8049 Жыл бұрын
I would always replace breakers with GFCI for pools. If you are there, then do it. It is not about it working. You don’t wait until someone is shocked to put in GFCI 🤦‍♂️
@electvolt67
@electvolt67 5 ай бұрын
You are supposed to be using bare copper on the grid part. How can you create a bonding grid with insulated wire? Also, your explanation of the bonding grid purpose is off. The equipment grounding conductor is the only path it can take to trip the overcurrent device. It will not return back to the source through the ground enough to trip the OCD. It will only disperse the potential evenly all around the pool (UNLESS THE WIRE IS INSULATED). The bonding grid is for NEV potential.
@electricalron
@electricalron 5 ай бұрын
680.26(B) The parts specified in 680.26(B)(1) through (B)(7) shall be bonded together using solid copper conductors, insulated covered, or bare, not smaller than 8 AWG or with rigid metal conduit of brass or other identified corrosion-resistant metal.
@electvolt67
@electvolt67 5 ай бұрын
@@electricalron 680.26 (A) (1) (b) although you have a metal forming shell you should STILL use bare wire for your copper ring, especially with pavers over them. If you had a Gunite or non conductive shell you absolutely can't use insulated. But I'm sure you would. They are even talking about changing the code to include the ground areas around the heater and pump...sure can't do that with insulated.
@electricalron
@electricalron 5 ай бұрын
@@electvolt67 don't let your opinion get in the way of what the code says.
@electvolt67
@electvolt67 5 ай бұрын
@@electricalron I'm not....I bet you use that insulated ground for EVERY pool you do....not code compliant. If you're going to make a video, make sure you know what you are talking about. Are you still waiting for that bonding grid to take that short circuit voltage back to the source through the earth? I hope you're not holding your breath.
@SeanFitz-vo4fm
@SeanFitz-vo4fm 5 ай бұрын
I believe It's possible it might because the bonding grid is connected to the pool pump/motor housing. The EGC is also connected to the pool pump/motor housing (internally), at J-box of the motor. @@electvolt67
@thatfunnykid7308
@thatfunnykid7308 Жыл бұрын
You need a helper?
@fadidebs7027
@fadidebs7027 Жыл бұрын
I@Ron . I used #8 bare wire copper all around the pool. I see your using a coated #8 why??? Is that necessary or is it just cheaper and still makes code??? Where is the best place to ground the main wire at to the ground rod???
@electricalron
@electricalron Жыл бұрын
Forget about the ground rods. Equipotential bonding grid gets attached to the lug underneath the filter/ pump motor. Nowhere else. No ground rods.
@fadidebs7027
@fadidebs7027 Жыл бұрын
@@electricalron ok thank you sir
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