That's GWs secret sauce right there.

Sods lore lol

You could try to recreate parts or roles of it with what you do have?

Story of me and my Necrons, man. XD

@@stuartbaxter-potter8363 ha ha me too but in reverse, all through 9th Doomstalkers were dog but I stuck by them cause I love the models and now look who's on fucking top baby!

I think he could do with an editor at some point, the visual aspect of videos do look like they are made in 10 mins on powerpoint tbh. I am sure it is the voiceover and all the information he talks about that uses up the majority of his time, so its fair enough as this guys always working on a new video. But with all due respect, I think the presentation of his videos could use some work.

I have always liked the simple but consumable look but the white makes my poor old plasma tv flare like a b

3 out 4 had 12 crisis suits

@skorathereckless6449 yeah... and everything else was different. Space marines have space marines. Tau have crisis suites. It would be silly if the best unit was kroot.

​@skorathereckless6449 so 720 points of suites, but the remaining was 1280pts of varying degree. The fact that one list won without suits speaks volumes.

@@skorathereckless6449 I mean that's a core unit for Tau. Its like space marines in a space marine list.

I think its more of a problem, thst the criais suits all had the same weapon three times. All the options were what made them interresting imho

I'd be more worried if I didn't think they'd be going away in the Codex. Just how many kits come with Cyclic Ion Blasters?

I think a lot of Tau players were sad to see the specific weapon points coatings go. It made it intriguing and tactical appraisal of costs and benefits of each weapons when you could choose less efficient weapons for a cheaper points cost, but now it’s hard not to revert to the common denominator.

​@@basteala525no shot they're getting rid of them. We saw basically no wargear changes for the Tyranids codex, and crisis have been able to take them for 3 editions (to my knowledge). The bigger problem is if you take away CIBs or nerf them, Crisis are useless except for killing guardsmen

And it's really just that the other options are really bad

We get CIBs in exchange for having almost non-existent melee damage output lol

12 crisis suits in 3 out 4 of list

Hammerhead is the same points cost as an Ork Deff Dread (and they were reduced too)

@@skorathereckless6449wich none of us want

If they reach 60% win rate, I'll agree, but as they're overall hitting 51%(since dataslate) and only 47% for the weekend, even with the wins, I disagree. People just refuse to learn how to play against them. They're far from unbeatable.

@@ren40k22 Only going off win rate doesn't necessarily reflect how poweful a faction is... Many other factors come into play, which can skew the results. - list composition (fluffiness/min-max) - player talent - luck -etc Sometimes an objective look at the abilities of a unit and the associated costs can be the best way. 130 points to have a high change of half destroying a vehicle each turn is an absolute bargain... Take two and that is pretty much a dead tank every turn, heavy tanks too. -

Couldn't agree more! I'm happy with their balance!

As someone who has both a Tau and a Custodes army I feel like they are exactly where Custodes were before the patch. Which scares me because I'm afraid they'll get nerfed into oblivion and we'll still have Eldar with a high 50% win rate lol.

@@awools1 sadly I dont think Tau are a gatekeep army like Custodes were before balance. And even more sadly, yes I foresee 10th Eldition to remain in favor of the Eldar (as they still remain in the slightly higher 50% of winrates).

@@awools1custodes didn’t need a points increase. All the other changes were fine. Nerfed all the way to the back end of the pack. Reminds me of WOW

That’s true for every army… if every single 40K army was perfectly balanced, they would all be considered “ok”

Rolling the cost of weapons into the data sheets is going to tend to do that unless you start. Massively changing weapon stats and that has other problems. I think gw went to far into trying to streamline things when they decided that. It was not a good way to try and balance gaurd when they did it in 9th and imo has been even less successful in 10th list building did not need the streamlining. At least when list building is done before hand you only waste your own time when you can't decide on your options. And if you do not do it before hand it still eats up huge amounts of every ones gaming time shaving off a few numbers does not change that

@@xerty5502 I kinda wonder if GW will revert to no CIB for the codex for the general crisis units since there are so few in each box? That would at least open up other options and also update the keywords for the existing weapons.

​@@derricksmith8354Bingo

So it can advance and still do actions for secondaries

@TheLastLightProject marker drones don't let you do that, the gun drone has the assault keyword. Marker drones let you advance and still guide for other units which the etheral can't do.

o shit yea, you're absolutely right. Well, I have no clue then. Also looks like I may need to switch some drones around haha@@markhohenbrink5230

I think it's fun.

Should be 2000 points. Either you made an error on the points or there was a points change in between the time the list was played and you watching the video

Exactly What it felt in my last game vs Tau With Astra , just cant kill the little fuckers with theyr 2÷ und 4÷÷ saves , but they cut my Russes like Butter...

@@49Insanity I'm a tau player myself and the fact I can take two 6-man bricks with a commander attached and still have 1000+ pts to play with is absolutely crazy. not to mention that with very few exceptions, one such brick can kill any other unit in the game in a single activation.

Facts

considering the riptide went down 55 points i think they could have left the crisis suits at the 390 for 6 they started at maybe drop to 380 for 6 and they'd be fine.

@@555tork The thing is. Sinking all your points into 2 groups of 6 plus the commanders is over 1/2 your army in 2000 points. It is so hard to pilot that effectively against anything with more than a few units in a hyper elite army. Any medium or hord army’s just gives you too many targets and you can’t take them off the points to stop them scoring. If you just increase the suits then everyone will spam ghosts and tides. Then everything will go back to being over costed 😭

I'm fitting one in just because I refuse to let the awesome model rot. Really the biggest issue isn't the point cost but guiding them. They have one huge gun which is very anti tank and then a ton of anti infantry, which for 9th was awesome since you could split fire easy peasy. Now though you get -1 to hit for going after anything but your guided enemy so split firing is heavily discouraged on a unit with a wide spread of weapons with wildly different optimal targets. If they got a rule which let them ignore that penalty they'd probably see a massive efficiency increase since right now it's often optimal to just not guide them at all unless you want to dump both anti tank and weak anti infantry into one unit. Their raw firepower isn't actually displeasing with their statline for 405 points, they just suffer from that guide penalty mainly.

My list dropped 400 pts after the balance dataslate, if I remember right. So yes.

@@im_flat crikey! That's insane.

Yo it was so bad before the points change, you have no idea man. Like it was really bad. Everyone in Tau Reddit does think that we're gonna get points increase once we get our codex. Hopefully they do another pass over the crisis suits, don't like how they handled them.

@@Mr._Idiot440 fair play my mate. I'm an old school Tau player from when they first released. I fell out of love with them a couple of Dexs ago and sold up. Went Aeldari (before their mental Index landed haha) and enjoyed them way more.

@@FarseerB1rdy Oh cool! What's Craft World you rockin?

Why would you do this?

We crave the Fire Caste grip

That's allowed. You just can't take the same epic hero twice.

My Aeldari list has like 6 epic characters.

As a World Eaters player, I support this message. Lol

I really think, this is one of those anti melee editions. GW seem to drop them, from time to time. Can't wait for 11 edition, where we can go back to real combat.

@@awesomejosh94my man haha

exactly everytime the army becomes decent for a bit it gets nerfed into the ground because people cant handle a loss

Every fucking time dude. People *hate* Tau, and ESPECIALLY hate when we have the ability to actually win.

I more than expect them to mostly reverse the points cuts across the board when the actual Codex releases. No doubt in GW’s mind, theyll think they have fixed up the fundamental wrongness of the tau rules, give them more gameplay variety and thus will be comfortable with pumping up the points again in a bid for equivalent exchange.

​@@vinnythewebsurferI mean it'd help that theyd have good detatchments. Their current one is bad, and always will be

@@vinnythewebsurfer Honestly if they nerfed anything at this point it'd probably be just the Crisis suits and the Cyclic spam. GW famously hate anything being spammed too much. Hard to say really though, I mean yeah they can drop a knight but they have to get within 18 inches, which isn't exactly a safe distance. Their aplha is good but that counter punch is gonna be mean.

Good point, I guess just a CP battery and single model for possible scoring then?

​@@auspextacticsYeah pretty much. Any extra CP that can offset Strike and Fade is huge.

Why not? (Edit: I ask because I believe they can due to the rules commentary that says units are classed as eligible to shoot even if they don’t have ranged weapons, which I think means they would be able to observe)

@@ChrisPurdy It's one one of the handful of units that they didn't give the "For The Greater Good" on their data card. Needs to have that explicitly on it in order to use it.

@@Mr._Idiot440 ah of course! Didn't even think to check to see if they had that, thank you! (I thought only kroot units and vespids didn't)

Thats partially why I run Plasma instead, even if its statistically worse, and I wont be hurt as much when the obligatory nerf of "no duplicates" will come for CIB.

As a Space Marine player that lost my melta Command Squad and my Twin Assault Cannon, I absolutely agree. I will be bullshit if Crisis suits keep them in the Tau Codex.

No you're 1000% right. It would be great if they fixed this with the codex

I don't think that is an unpopular opinion. it's just correct.

I just think it needs to be part of the kit. they make sense lore wise to be on normal suits now, albeit not on every single slot on every single team irreguardless of the foe. Tau are supposed to advance rapidly technologically and this makes the teem feel that way on the tabletop edition to edition. The real issue imo is they they cost nothing and compete with 4 shots of strength 5 ap 0 damage 1. Those make sense if they cost nothing while CIB's are expensive but them both costing zero means your going to say screw that and go for 1 less shot of way higher strength actual AP and twice the damage. Same deal in reverse with airburst fragmentation launchers, they are d6 shots of strength fucking 3, 0 ap and 1 damage. You wont even get that through most infantry let alone space marines or any other factions heavy infantry. If that was cheap as heck then cool, it's got a niche since it has indirect fire and the highest range of any of the weapons. But with no cost difference you average 3 shots, same as a CIB and almost 1/3 the strength, 2 less ap and half the damage. No thank you.

you are correct you cannot take ethereals in the same list as farsight but list 2 doesn't have an ethereal in it.

@@555tork ah, thought Shadowsun was an ethereal. Thanks

@@555tork I see nothing in the tau rules in 10th that stops Farsight from being taken with Ethereals. I think you are confusing the old rules where it was a thing.

@@beilno2890 the Kauyon detachment has two bullet points saying " if your army contains any Ethereal units, it cannot include a Commander Farsight model." and "If your army contains a Commander Farsight model, it cannot include any Ethereal Units."

@@555tork AH thankyou

The experiment seems to have been a success

should have stayed that way or been limited to one per crisis suit like the frag projector.

I really like it, though it was actually balanced in 9th. You COULD fill out every slot on your crisis suits with CIB's but it wasn't cost efficient. Now with cost gone they have zero balance since they nerfed the shitty cheap weapons and barely touched CIB's while removing their cost. Seriously they made the already fairly bad burst cannons shot 50% less shots for zero reason, they were fine before. The only hope for them is just to give tau back the damn wargear costs. it lets you actually internally balance things without making every wargear option identical.

@@tyr7876 I think the burst cannon should have gotten sustained hits all the time.

@@555tork It should have gotten literally anything other than a nerf. 6 shots at strength 5 0 ap 1 damage is still not at all in any way shape or form good. And yet GW thought it was to powerful and needed to be fixed.

Having played them many times early 10th, they definitely need to be strong to be viable lol. one bad roll and 500 points of crisis are dead to infantry weapons with that T5. The main trouble is they are supposed to be weak but not THAT weak. This caused them to instead of giving them any survivability boost just letting you have more which just hurts other players more since it leans into their only strength more while doing nothing to even slightly affect their weakness. Plus of course no wargear cost is just moronic, some wargear is flat out better and always has been, this was balanced because you'd pay extra for the good stuff. Now though the good and bad weapons cost nothing so of course everything is going to be kitted out with the best weapon, it's free for christs sake.

what do you think of the idea of a melee tank battlesuit? rather than give the T'au aggressive melee battlesuits give them something that can take a hit, give them a toned down onagar gauntlet as the base melee weapon so they can hit back a bit leave the mon WS4+, then give the full version back as an enhancement for characters.

@@555tork I think that tau having paper thin armor is just kind of necessary for the feel of them imo. And an elegant swift and powerful force should be the feel. that way there is risk reward, your hitting hard but if you have to deal with the crackback you won't be feeling so good. That way it isn't stepping on any toes but still gives farsight more of a use than sitting there doing nothing with his big Ol' sword. Also would be weird to attack farsight with his weak profile to something tougher than he is since generally leaders are supposed to be tougher than what they lead.

why ?

We either get Tau the ultimate shooting army that can’t melee or we get Tau, that can’t shoot or melee. There is no compromise

It's bad rules being pushed by low points. You essentially play 3 datasheets: Crisis, Commander, and Tetras. The rest is just filler. This is not T'au being strong, this is exclusively the issue of CIB and playing Casino-Guns with the hazardous rolls, and the strongest spotting-unit being aforgeworld release which is a whole new topic. It's essentially playing shooty orks: hoping for sixes while hoping your own stuff does not blow up. That's not even what T'au is supposed to be. I play the faction myself and it is appalling.

@@gwildm4298 Sounds similar to how some eldar players described the state of eldar vehicle spam. I feel bad for you guys, becuase GW is probably just going to see the winrate and then flail the nerf bat around wildly and see what it hits.

​@gwildm4298 THIS 💯

@@SnowFoxWithAGasMaskyes. I 100% miss infantry. I tried using my melee aspects the other day and lol. That’s all I gotta say about that

god forbid a non-imperium faction is allowed to be good

@@im_flat Errr...Eldar? Chaos? I'm pretty sure non-Imperium being good ain't the point? The problem is that when Tau is overpowered, it's *frustratingly* so. Right now they're basically an elite army with Horde Army economics. There's also armies suffering heavily from "no model", no rules, while T'au is basically flaunting their brazen disregard of that in the form of grossly imbalanced weapon loadout spam.

@@basteala525 Every single time a non-Imperium army is at the top of the game Imperium players whine their asses off and attack the communities where players of these Xenos factions gather. Every. Single. Time. Without fail.

@@im_flatbecause iom armies are mostly balanced, except knights( they are or useless or op) and people know it and don’t care. For most editions iom or is weak or have middle ground. You are just filthy heretic.

@@im_flat Just a simple question, are eldars an Imperium army?