The human body is formed before the age of 25, so Eteri does it right when working with girls under 17, it causes minimal damage to the body. Professional sports are generally very harmful, especially after the age of 17. Eteri brings up a strong character in girls, after 17 they have great potential in various fields of sports or politics. The future depends on their desire.

@@asker5515 Please cite the medical journals to support your theory. Thank you.

This is how all sports work

@@asker5515 25 being for extremely late developers not normal developers stop denying it

@@kaiwistoski9858 But in all other sports the new young star is 17 - not the replaced old one.

I know, I do too. Her flexibility is the best I have seen in figure skating. It is just amazing.

I would not be surprised if Julia misses US, her cheering fans, too.

Darn spell check! Yulia. - let’s see if it works THIS time.

@@cathrynmcpartland1752 nothing wrong with "Julia"

She was super unique and special. Poor girl was just pressured too much but I'd rather her see her happy

That's their problem, but the rules of the sport should not promote it.

Same in gymnastics, but it's not the end of the world. You already have title, invitations to ice shows and opportunity to get decent education.

Name top skater without injuries. As for the retirements, none of those whor etired retired under Eteri and due to injuries.

@@flankerpraha lol that's what they all say. and most of them retired by age 20, which is sad. Look at Yuna Kim, or mao asada. They retired in their late twenties!

Azura Forestglen or get a normal job and retire at 65 😂

exactly. its not necessarily the cycle itself but the time frame, most of these girls only make it one season before they harshly decline.

It wasn't like that before the year 2000. Most of the skaters I followed retired or went to Ice Capades between the ages of 28 to 35. So clearly something is very wrong with this.

@@prettypennyschannel elizabeta tutmanisheva is still competing and she is older than yulia lipniskaya. That says it all

No, if a women's sport is dominated by children who are able to spin faster because they have not developed into women then it isn't a women's sport. Eteri has capitalized on the number of underage children being introduced to figure skating in Russia and then exporting them into ruining their bodies by performing risky components that are not possible for grown women and as a risult shouldnt be over utilized by growing girls. 🤪

Agreed. I also want to add that when you are younger, the body has more elasticity, natural strength, no injuries that will cost you.

@liceous you bring up some great points. Fans may be in awe that such young skaters are outperforming older skaters, jump-wise, but at what cost? What does it say about a sport in which only pre-pubescent girls have a shot at medalling?

The human body is formed before the age of 25, so Eteri does it right when working with girls under 17, it causes minimal damage to the body. Professional sports are generally very harmful, especially after the age of 17. Eteri brings up a strong character in girls, they can work, set goals and achieve success, after 17 they have great fame and potential in various fields of sports or business. After 17 years, there is a great future that depends on the opportunities and desires of girls.

Who's abusing who. Girls get not only medals but huge following, own businesses, industry contracts waiting for them. And all that before college. That's an opportunity of a lifetime and they compete for her. The reality is there is only one Turberidze and her talent is to build champions. It doesn't help for us to tell her what she should be doing instead. In business and psychology, there are people like Steven Jobs who create ideas and start things leaving them for others to complete what they started. Called visionaries and business builders, not operators. Turberidze is this type. She focuses on the method she created which raises the bar for the whole sport and shows others how to use it. Girls get to the top and want to stay on it, it's understandable. But there is not enough of her for all of them. Other coaches are trying to cooperate but not very successfully so far. I think the problem is rather that this extraordinary supply is too short for the demand, not the other way round. Maybe she needs to train some coaches that can follow up

@@MT-rg4fn I love your statement. It is so correct.

все кто говорит, что фигуристы Тутберидзе не стабильны на протяжении длительного времени, что у них бывает один или два хороших сезона, а затем они исчезают и заменяются другой дамой, что они исчезают и падают из-за всплесков роста , по моему мнению абсолютно не правы. Фигуристки исчезают не из-за всплесков роста. Они исчезают именно в нынешню эпоху Фигуного катания и именно потому, что им на смену идут девочки с умениями , которые превышают все то, что они умели в лучшие свои сезоны. Пубертат (всплеск роста) можно пережить, если все остальные обладают теми же умениями, что и фигурист, входящий в пубертатный период. Но сегодня ни Женя Медведева, ни Алина Загитова, ни Рика Кихира со своими лучшими программами не являются соперницами ни Ане Щербаковой, ни Камиле Валиевой, ни Саше Трусовой. Этим девочкам (Ане, Камиле, Саше) во всем мире нет сейчас соперниц. Да , сейчас они стоят на грани пубертата. Но на подходе нет других девочек, у которых техника будет выше чем у них сейчас. По-этому именно эти девочки ( Аня, Камила, Саша) смогут пройти через пубертат и вернуться в Большое Фигурное Катание. Но ни у Жени, ни у Алины, ни у Рики Кихиры шансов нет. Они не смогут прыгать три квада в одной программе плюс тройной аксель. Подводя итог изложенному мной: фигурное катание - это спорт. Что такое спорт? Это секунды, метры, голы, очки. Пока есть именно такой критерий выявления лучших, все лучшие тренинеры будут искать решение как достичь спортсмену максимума именно в этих критериях. И похоже, что только Этери Тутберидзе пока удалось найти тот самый ЗОЛОТОЙ КЛЮЧ от той самой дверцы, проход через которую позволяет ее ученикам быть лучшими в мире. А та вакханалия критики и призывов поднятия возрастного ценза - это обыкновенная русофобия (или даже ненавить к России), на мой взгляд. И я думаю на взгляд подавляющего большинства российских любителей фигурного катания. Почему? А потому что, если бы такой всплеск результатов случился где-нибудь в США, Канаде или Великобритании, то все бы пускали слюни от восхищения, и никто бы и не думал о поднятии возрастного ценза. ВАДА с ее разрешенными наркоманами мне в помощь.

ooo that's an interesting observation.

3-3-3 arent allowed in competitions?

@@karolinagarbiec8638 correct, well you get no reward for the third triple basically so there is no point doing it.

@@karolinagarbiec8638 it's allowed but it's worth nothing

evemhooper exactly. If they can still do the quads at 18 years old after they have gone through puberty then so be it.

@@jjh2456 ,Ricky Kihira is not 18 years old, who prevents her from making the quadruple jumps ?! The world champion and Olympic champion Zagitova never once showed a quadruple jump in official tournaments, and until she came of age, like any other skater in the world. What does age have to do with it ?! The Russians have made a breakthrough in women's skating, accept and accept this.

Excelent motivation for Tursynbaeva to return and tear everyone with two 4S, as she is already 19))

If you raise age limit for girls it should be same raised for boys and pairs...

doesn't affect Liza :D

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jj 🔥🔥🔥🔥

Yes queen

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

cringe cringe, all those ladies have enough money to retire at age16, mental health issues? like what? too much fame and money lol

fs-gossips.com/eteri-tutberidze-its-more-difficult-with-boys-they-want-to-be-pitied/

Wonder if she's just hiding her inability to train boys the right way

She said that in her interviews: they search for "confort zones"

@Nats Disagree on Voronov, i think that year and a half with Eteri is what brought his resurgence, and he got a silver medal at Europeans and a bronze at GPF with her. Before 2014, Voronov had never achieved any big result in seniors.

@@comment6864 I think lack of experience at the time too, Samoilov left Sambo70 and basically said the way they coached boys at the time was laughable. They seem to have improved in the last year looking at Samsonov, Rukhin and Kunitsa but i'd still prefer any Saint Petersburg coach over her for male skaters.

You read my mind

WOW what an amazing gift you have being able to read Eteris mind ha ha .

mooniverse Who might be 19 but has the body of a 10-year-old malnourished boy, let’s be honest. And still she’s not competing on the GP this season and it’s unclear if Eteri is even still her coach.

Sennagod Dave asked us to leave our opinions in the comment section with predictions on what will happen with Zagitova... This is my opinion and prediction.

Sennagod He/she can’t express thoughts and predictions without you making fun of it?

No joke

except she is an idiot

@@aquafinner1505 Miranda priestley was an idiot

I think it's because (and correct me if im wrong) majority of the men learn the jumps in sequence. In my opinion learning jumps especially the notorious quads shouldn't jumpstarted right away. It is the technique of how to maintain those quads that a skater should first learn. Because afterall it is the legs you need to lift you off but the arms for fast rotation. What most people have observed is that if you start young your body starts using the arms for liftoff, which then makes it difficult to retain the jumps as puberty sets in. I just wish they try to change their technique now so that they don't suffer that much difficulty in the transition period.

Tara lipinski 15 oksana boyul 16

@@moonlightstripess fat chance. They won't change anything if the scoring is consistently telling them they're the best

I think raising the age is a good thing. It might probably prolong the career of top female figure skaters.

@@moonlightstripess I am not a professional, but an audience. However if a person can get a quick success in early years, people will do whatever thechniques. I don’t think we should ask people to behave against human nature, being greedy is a good thing sometimes. The good thing is that ISU has been making rules and changes thi sport in a good direction and let’s hope they will make changes benefiting the future as well.

Sad too that there was ZERO mention of Adelina's OG in this video, even as a side note. I know this was about Eteri's skaters, but bad form guys. So many people try to whitewash her win out of history for the 'since of beating Yuna, fair and square.

@@sapphire22011 Adelina did not beat Yuna “fair and square”.

@@tambam6744 yes she did sorry so go away and cry some more 😂

Thank you!

mooniverse I agree but she tends to receive less in PCS than some of the Russian skaters. She deserves more but she rarely receives it.

and what about the american girl Alysa Liu

@@starrichens3397 - Alyssa Liu is great! Her biggest competition right now is Kamila Valieva who took gold at the JGPF. Alyssa has an amazing triple axel triple loop AND a quad. She can become unstoppable if she's capable of executing 4 quads and that triple-triple.

@@Johnnnnnie and her performance skills are amazing

RayaRay, You can not produce champions for the long term.

Kostornaia is the one who I predict will be the best of all of them. She is the total package. She will do a quad toe soon as her toe loop technique is excellent. I had not been watching the ladies like Medvedeva and Zagitova because they are so horrible to watch in between the jumps....

@Squirrel That makes a lot of sense. No wonder. God, I love her! God's gift....

@Squirrel Hei! That also explains her skating skills and artistry. Kostonaia has the whole package!

Not to mention those triple axels.. WOW!

Exactly! There was time when men who began jumping quats were criticized too! Now it is a norm and without them you can't compete.

Yes she is my favorite too ❤ everyone talks about how great Kamila and Sasha are, and no doubt they are, but Anna is my favorite.

I think it would be quite interesting because he's found great success both as a skater and as a coach. It maybe it's not as crushingly dominant as Eteri's girls, but he's coached both ladies and men to incredible results.

@@XimenaSu1609 To me, he represents pure skating technique, a former champion and a legend of the sport in dark contrast to Eteri's carreer. Brian has been through it all: from being a two time olympic medalist and national icon to performer to becoming the coach of two former Olympic champions whose bodies were fullly grown at their peak. Eteri does not know yet how to make a skater's carreer last longer and make them peak with a fully grown body.

@@XimenaSu1609 Yuna Kim and Yuzuru Hanyu ❤❤❤

anibalsagenev : I knew she was leaving since Monday 😢😢😢😢my beautiful and sweet Alina ❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🌹

It makes me so sad :(( was really looking forward to her @ Russian Champs! Hopefully she comes back.

and eat enough!

Polina won in Courchevel and she was 3rd in Ostrava

Olga Yıldırım aliona joined her earlier then with 15, because she won the bronze medal at the russian championship and the silver at JGF while being 14, with eteri alreafy being her coach)

@@olgashirokova5126 thank you for correction, how did i count like this 😁 in 2016 - 2017 she was 13-14 i think.

Interesting, because personally i believe Alena has the strongest technique

@@Kat-hb5ie but we will say good bye to her after World Championship, if even not earlier. Because body has its limitations, it is not about technique at all

that explains a lot

😁 That was so funny !!

No, that comment actually undermines the narrative because it looks like a personal attack, whereas if it wants to be professional, it should not mix in any personal biases. If the commentator wants to comment on the physical appearance of coaches, he should take his commentary to a different public, a public that follows other people's outfits, or something like that.

@@oguljanfuchs8316 gtfo

no tutberidze junior has remained in the sport while being older than 20. the frasing is weird, but there was 1 of her students that did last, his secret was that he entered tutberidze grinding machine when he was an adult.

DG joined the team at the end of 2014)

Μαρ Μαν Kostornaia was not dumbed by her previous coach, what are you talking about. She decided to leave her coach and go to Eteri herself because she saw the results of Eteri students. There was also rumors on Russian fs forums that Kostornaia previous coach was quite upset about it and said that Eteri first contacted with Alena’s parents and offered them to join her group, if they want results for their daughter

@@fxcoin4529 I have read that her previous coaches have told her that she was a mediocre skater, top ten maximum.

@@user-pt1zs7ed3f Yep, Alena said it in her big interview

Μαρ Μαν She didn’t say COACHES said such thing to her in that interview, she didn’t say who exactly said that she is mediocre. Also maybe try to read other Alena interviews? She explained that it was her and her family decision to leave her previous coach because she wanted to “win medals and be on the podium”

Trusova at 10 or 11 was unimpressive. Ironically, her skating skills were nice, but her jumps were lagging. And then she joined Eteri.

It's the first one, unfortunately.

If the blanket ban goes through russians will have to wait 6 yrs to compete in a summer game and 8 for a winter game also russia will never host another olympic game for alll the clean competing athletet let russia come up with their own games then they can cheat without harming the other athletes who compete clean if yoy don't know what that means ,competing without doping or over training young athletes it's their fault no one else i hope the blanket ban goes through.

On the February 13, 2022, do you still think the same?

KojimaBot s Thank you! Will do!

Really very enjoyable- thanks Dave. So comprehensive!

@@TheSkatingLesson we loved! I am from Brazil and could understand every word! Nice

Thanks for pointing this out. She actually competed under a neutral IOC flag and the Ukrainian national anthem was played during her medal ceremony. 🇺🇦

​@@mlatanyshyn Oksana skated for Ukraine. Several former Soviet republics skated under an IOC flag as the Unified Team in 1992. 1994 was the first Olympics that an independent Ukraine participated.

@@mlatanyshyn No, that was at the 1992 Olympics. Oksana Baiul competed for Ukraine at the 1994 Olympic Games. I believe she is also Ukraine's first Olympic gold medallist, under their own flag.

She produces one season wonder and many 15 year old champions, right. I love and watch figure skating for 30 years, I do not need quads or other supersonic records of underweight young girls.

Not really. There are plenty of skaters who finished early and plenty of those who finished kinda old. Still some of them are being remembered only during statistic calculations, some are stars in their countries and some started new career. It's not even clear what is better.

It's plastic surgery, dude. She was a normal Georgian woman before, now she has money and access to good doctors. kirakira-plus.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/SyBDrACRRN0.jpg

@@Kareragirl well, i didnt mean face anyway

She is kgb!!

@@Kareragirl what it's plastic surgery?

@@Kareragirl she also looks less angry and terrifying in that picture.

Veronika Zhilina 10 y.o (Tutberidze Team) Ice Age Kids "Oblivion" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/japdgqqJvtfOioU.html "Hallelujah" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZpehiZV60t7HmHU.html Veronika Zhilina, practice, 4S, 4T kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g8ePZM2Bvp3LcXk.html Nikolay Kolesnikov 10 y.o (Tutberidze Team) Ice Age Kids kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gaipqsSZ0ZvTon0.html

No. Damn how old are you lmfao

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@@evanperilstein5308 Totally disagree. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva was both Grand Prix and World Champion 2014-15. I wouldn't say she's not a factor in the senior rank at all during that time.

What about Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Elena Radionova, Anna Pogorilaya, Adelina Sotnikova?

@UniPoLiteca Mtra. ArVi 🙄🙄

@mooniverse But she is not flexible if compare with russian skaters. I like this child but she lose a lot to russian skaters

But surely as an athelete of the sport you would want longevity in it. There would no more be the 3 gold olympic achievement.

@mish098aimerIt truly is a shame. It sucks to find a favorite from Russia and then watch them fall off and be replaced within 2 years or even less with these new girls that keep coming.

@mish098aimer In 90s, the longevity of the female figure skaters in USA was short (apart from Kwan). I think it was common, when a woman earned the gold olympic medal, then she resigned. Thank goodness Zagitova doesn't follow this path and she continues skating in competitions.

@mish098aimer Yes, but you forget something very important. The inner competition. Yuna Kim and Caroline Kostner didn't have a serious competitor from their country. Russian female figure skating in our days, is like female figure skating in USA in 90s. The younger "grabs" the gold medal from the older. I don't say that is fair but it is a reality.

@mish098aimer It depends, on the age limit. It will be 16, 17, 18 or 20 years of age; 16 will be fine by me. By raising the age limit a lot you exclude a large amount of capable, both artistically and technically, figure skaters. Also a lot of young figure skaters will abandon the sport in order to do something else. Don't forget that Caroline Kostner was 15 years old in her first European Championship. If it was forbidden to her at that time to participate, i think she wouldn't have been the athlete that we all know.

I really don't know why everyone wishes them health while they and I guess their parents don't care about it themselves. I on the other hand just want the scoring to be more fair and balanced so that the most beautiful and unique aspects of skating can shine through again. Gymnastics, circus and ballet have other venues.

@@comment6864 there was this russian documentary where Alina and Evgenia say that Tutberize makes them get weighed everyday. Zagitova has insinuated that she was eating as little as possible to skip puberty. Lipnistkaia declared she was leaving figure skating due to an eating disorder and so on. There appear to be unhealthy things going on at this camp.

@@HaveanIcedaymx Yeah, Zagitova cried in some interview too. People brush it off, but i don't know..

@@comment6864 I guess one comment can be brushed off, but it's glimpse after glimpse of unhealthy behaviors. For example, when Julia started to have trouble , Tutberize gave out an interview stating that Lipnitskaia "could not stop gaining weight and they had put her on fiber diet" or something like that. Also, experience shows that Tutberize's students just have no longevity, which is not normal. That without even going to the psychological aspect of being used and thrown away when you're just a teen....

@@comment6864 They are kids. If you were 14 or 15 and had the opportunity to win gold medals all over the world, would you let anyone take that from you? you wouldn't because kids aren't like that.

@flowery gems Indeed anyone guilty should be penalised. Cheated technique should be weeded out of the system.

Those young girls are being used for Eteri's own selfish devices...Eteri and her fellow entourage should be banned from amateur coaching FOR LIFE. No questions..GET OUT!

Завидуйте молча и себя жалейте

@@mikegarcia7986 ты не Бог и не суди,и завидуй молча Она не убийц воспитывает и тренерует а будущих хороших людеы

So true, I’d love to see this happen

What are you talking about? The girls were incredibly beautiful, their performances were amazing.

@@nevagerber2434 wow are you really that dense? They weren’t a disgrace because their performances weren’t “amazing”. They were and are a disgrace because of the treatment of these children.

Only one girl tested positive for doping, and it wasn't for real performance enhancing drugs like anabolic steroids. How can you say that the training methods they use is child abuse? Any great achievement in life requires some kind of sacrifice.

Preach

Glad it was helpful!

What is beautiful in those programmes explain!😁

My favorite from eteri is the schindlers list routine but the anna karenina routine is up there too. and I love the explosiveness of the Don Quixote program.

As for Russian ladies in general I loved radionovas Turandot program and her porgy and bess program. idk i'm a fan of most of her programs while she was in seniors

It then no longer is a pick assisted jump. The jump is then much closer to a loop than a lutz or flip.

why?? It's just like any other full blade jump

@@comment6864 a lutz isn't meant to be a full blade jump.

@@nicholasliu5788 For sure. I was simply questioning that comment that physics would prevent them from using full blade takeoff on a fake 'lutz'

@@comment6864 oh right. Yes, I agree with that reasoning. Physics says that you can't prerotate a counter-rotated lutz jump, so if you're prerotating 180 degrees, you have a problem.