Looks like the old gm one maxes out at 163*, that’d explain the flat line then the sudden drop to 125*. Much more reliable data! Nice tip!
@paleggett18973 жыл бұрын
Mr Doug, I wish you to know I am very appreciative of your efforts to make our community better. Bless Up❣️ Have a safe & fun Holiday.
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Happy Holidays to you too. We love what we do and just want to learn so you all can spend less time guessing and more time having fun and setting records!
@jonathanposs44483 жыл бұрын
Glad to see someone showing the importance of the sensor and how just picking the norm can hold you back👍
@SloppyMechanics3 жыл бұрын
I like seeing these faster iat sensors you’re right, the 1980 gm sensor is a bit slow, any idea if you will make a faster coolant temp sensor
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
They’re on the docket for RIFE! Should be available quite soon
@SloppyMechanics3 жыл бұрын
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial i figured you would be on top of it, they both seem to have the same response (like 3 seconds per degree) substantial when people have 3-5 second 8th cars.
@alexzamora67003 жыл бұрын
How do I calibrate this sensor on my terminator x??
@chrischrismon3 жыл бұрын
Tech tips Tuesday is one of my favorite days! Thanks Doug
@xrtjrp-ix1rb3 жыл бұрын
Knowing is half the battle... nice tip. Thank you Douglas
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
It honestly is. And if you are to trust the data to make decisions, you need correct data
@joecameron34062 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy and learn more with tech tip Tuesday
@americanfamiliesfirst27903 жыл бұрын
No idea, glad you shared that with us,thanks. F.a.s.t efi 2.0 and xfi 2.0 also uses the old style.
@NICKGAR73 жыл бұрын
Great tip Doug. Thanks. Maybe 2 bungs and measure both sensors on same run too?
@garyhowe883 жыл бұрын
At 4 times the cost I would hope it would be faster. But for 99percent of applications the GM sensor will be 100percent fine.
@Dlawler3 жыл бұрын
4x the cost? It's not even double the price
@garyhowe883 жыл бұрын
@@Dlawler ones $20 the other is $79... that's 4 times the cost...
@Dlawler3 жыл бұрын
@@garyhowe88 is it though? One that's not just some off brand replacement on their site is $45, so $79 isn't even double that
@kyleallen38573 жыл бұрын
@@Dlawler I think $20 is about right www.dedicatedmotorsports.com/product-p/gmiat.htm
@Dlawler3 жыл бұрын
@@kyleallen3857 yeah as I said for a not just some off brand one, just going of the fact it doesn't list it as an ome part, or list the actual brand of the sensor its quite likely a Chinese sensor and be even worse than the one in the video
@jamesworkman6863 жыл бұрын
Been missing the coyote content so the last 3 videos have been awesome 😎
@Boosted3702 жыл бұрын
Well I'm sold on that! Looks like I'll be ordering some new sensors
@johnvirgilsgarage2 жыл бұрын
Just placed my order. Thanks for the video breakdown, definitely sold me on it for the responsiveness. Going into my turbo OBS 460 Ford F250 with an MS3X ECU.
@umakemerandy36692 ай бұрын
Curious, how long did the sensor work for? Still working? Daily driver?
@johnvirgilsgarage2 ай бұрын
@@umakemerandy3669 I had one issue with the first one acting a little erratic after a couple months but they sent me a new one for free once I told them. I've been running that one for well over a year on a daily driver and it's still good to go.
@umakemerandy36692 ай бұрын
@@johnvirgilsgarage alrighty, yeah they seem like a good company that would replace pretty easy. Sounds good!
@mikescherrer49233 жыл бұрын
Would this sensor work in an application where the ecu is expecting GM IAT output voltages? Like a stock ecu where you can’t calibrate the sensor?
@Acetuning2 жыл бұрын
The setting data is different between the two sensors. On a stock GM ECU you can adjust the calibration.
@1000facesofNicole3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this info
@robinwendt55272 жыл бұрын
Thanks you... that's definitely an eye opener
@tomhamilton91403 жыл бұрын
Great information to share to those in the learning curve. Thank you keep up the great updates. 👍
@SARJENT.3 жыл бұрын
You made some great points. Makes total sense. I appreciate these vids. Thank you.
@anasasisxenophontis3 жыл бұрын
How are you measuring accuracy though...certainly response time isn't your only metric. There are far more complicated dynamics at play when it comes to determining actual charge temperature. Unless you calibrated for the new first order lag dynamics of the IAT/ECT combination with the downstream thermal mass of the system, you probably found your mixture going lean with the new sensor.
@turbochevelle56413 жыл бұрын
I don't think its response time they are seeing. If you notice the length of the Rife sensor is much longer so it is reading closer to the center of flow where air moves quicker and thays why he is seeing a different temp. Ideally you want you open element in the center of flow because it moves fastest in the center. Guarentee that if he had another sensor that was dead center of flow it would read even higher. Thays why in the temp sensor industry it is important to spec sensors to center of flow for most accurate measurements.
@anasasisxenophontis3 жыл бұрын
@@turbochevelle5641 the center of flow isolates the measurement from thermal mass that can affect it. It's not a temperature gradient along the radius of the tube the air flows through...it's just the heatsink that the sensor is mounted in. That affects the time constant of the system. I designed software for GM....the code is littered with first order lag filters to compensate for situations like this.
@charlestorruella85913 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tips
@BLKMGK43 жыл бұрын
You might also want to compare some of those GM MAP sensors with say a Kavlico to see differences ;-)
@teddy_awdB196 ай бұрын
I just purchased a haltech elite 1500 and it came with a GM style AIT.... Would the RIFE AIT work better then the one included?
@jplperformance9073 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to get a couple of these sensors
@Travis-lw4jm3 жыл бұрын
Hey Doug I see the data for some aftermarket computers but what about using this sensor with a GM MEFI computer? We build supercharged big block marine engines and are constantly melting the standard GM IAT. Any info is greatly appreciated and thank you and your team for another great tech tip!
@scottlagdon4133 жыл бұрын
Where did you mount the IAT on El Toro? 3/8" NPT correct?
@OriginalMomo3 жыл бұрын
Great tip. Thanks Doug. 👍😈✌🏻
@turbochevelle56413 жыл бұрын
Actually its not that the sensor is slow. These sensors are exposed element type k thermocouples. If you look at the sensors the exposed element of the gm sensor is much shorter and by the time it is screwed into the bung it's barely into the charge pipe, where the Rife sensor was much longer so that's where the difference is coming from. Air moves quickest through the center of the charge pipe so the closer to the center the reading is the more accurate reading of excursion temps you will see. So basically what you are seeing is the difference between the depths the temp elements are reading and the closer to center you get the higher reading you will see.
@KCadbyRacing3 жыл бұрын
I'm not disagreeing that it wouldn't be good for the "sensor TIP to be up inside the bung" but have you done back to back testing (with data) showing the GM works "as fast as the RIFE"? Or are you _just saying_ RIFE's web site is showing incorrect/false info? ("ultra-fast response thermistors")...
@Turbo8secondz28 Жыл бұрын
I know they start around 74deg as you stated but is it calibrated? Could possibly the ohms ready is slightly different and not accurate? I would love a test in more controlled setting and see if it’s the same calibration. I only say this is because I had some issues with my ssi sensors and it was the offset calibration and was a pain but worked it out. Thanks love the channel
@kylekoch48153 жыл бұрын
What is best recommended spot to place a act or iat sensor? Upper intake? Lower intake if applicable or on the pipe running to the throttle body?
@bobmcnelis36483 жыл бұрын
Love the tech tips!
@Grunt300z Жыл бұрын
Does this sensor work with Holley terminator X and is it the same plug?
@gregsimon90613 жыл бұрын
Great info, thanks.
@ALEX.THE.RUSSIAN Жыл бұрын
I am about to buy your sensor from your website, does holley high rap manifold has a place where I can install it?
@champspec3 жыл бұрын
Did I miss the part where you mentioned whether these work well with methanol injection over time?
@Ryan_19973 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@ETicketM3 жыл бұрын
Calibration vs the GM sensor? Not all ECUs allow for custom sensors but if there is an offset I just adjust accordingly in the compensation tables?
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
All of the data is in the product listing on our website for setting up calibration data. We actually had rife separate it out and write instructions for some of the more popular efi systems
@bradpittman50753 жыл бұрын
Temp sensors are pretty slow relatively speaking. I would saw In your log where ever the ramp Yo for the temp starts is probably more in line with where your boost ramp started to come in. Even if the temp sensor is a little bit behind as far as time. Temp should rise generally with the increase in pressure. Sweet product. There are some pretty gnarly temp sensors out there. Some are silly prices. But they have a place and I am glad they’re a choice. Anyways. America 1
@tomscobra20033 жыл бұрын
Hey Doug, I’m running Fast XFI 2.0 with old style GM sensor, will the lo temp Rife sensor work with my setup,
@350573 жыл бұрын
Is there anybody that still does coil pack comparisons? Other than the older videos of LM7 and LS1 packs.. my stock LS6 still has stock coils with no heat sinks and my truck has LM7s and about to just swap them out but they’ve got some mileage on them. Why buy new(er) if I don’t have to. Theory was the stock LS1/6 packs would miss faster than the PCM can pick up on, and there for having a bad time when you’re racing at 7000rpm+.
@SpeedNessRx73 жыл бұрын
Hey Doug, was looking at the RIFE 3/4 remote sensor blocks. Such a sleek/clean look. However I'm having a hard time finding information online about people running these. I know they are relatively new. What has been your experience with running these blocks so far, reliability wise. Can you comment on how they are holding up over time. Thanks!
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
We have had them on a few of our cars this year including my Nova which has several thousand street miles and prob a hundred passes! They’ve been flawless and I really love the plumbing and wiring on them vs other remote ways of mounting sensors
@SpeedNessRx73 жыл бұрын
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial Great news, did not know you had them in your Nova. That is what I wanted to hear. If they survived what you have put that Nova thru that is certainly enough for me. Thanks!!
@mabex20072 жыл бұрын
This is awesome!
@anthonymoy4471 Жыл бұрын
So we can swap the sensors right out and software will read it the same ?
@MotionRaceworksOfficial Жыл бұрын
No sir there is a scaling chart on our website to give you that data
@anthonymoy4471 Жыл бұрын
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial thank you
@sanger4403 жыл бұрын
What about using an Egt type sensor? They work in the exhaust they should work in the inlet air stream too?
@turbochevelle56413 жыл бұрын
No and get sensor is different. IAT sensors are open element type k thermocouples that are very small elements for quick response get sensors have a protective sheath to protect the element from the much higher excursion temps.
@turboman351w33 жыл бұрын
hey doug do you have to change anything in the holley when putting this sensor in or is just plug and play
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
Yes you do, we actually had rife make a Holley setup document that’s in the listing of the product. Wanted to make it easy for folks to use and setup! Hope that helps!
@turboman351w33 жыл бұрын
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial cool thanks doug
@nsboost3 жыл бұрын
$45?! Hell mine was like $15 from my local GM dealer lol. Damn Ecu/injectors/intake broke me. Gotta save money somewhere lol
@Ryan_19973 жыл бұрын
Accurate readings tho.
@TrojanLube692 жыл бұрын
Very important sensor if you have boost. The faster it reads and sends info to computer the longer and healthier the engine will run.
@hiteracing14893 жыл бұрын
Where did you mount your sensor
@JUNKYARDGTO3 жыл бұрын
Awesome I need one of those 🤣 thx
@GonzosGarage3 жыл бұрын
It won't let me click the bell so I can get notifications...
@n5yiz3 жыл бұрын
Let's see the GM and RIFE sensors side-by-side in a pot of hot water with some actual ohm readings.
@anasasisxenophontis3 жыл бұрын
There's the first attempt at actual data-driven science I've seen on this post yet. I shared this video around with a few other ME and CS engineer friends of mine and they just kick back and laugh. Just a veiled attempt to push more products to people who don't know any better. Faster is moar better....until you're chasing low speed fueling issues forever because your IAT is dragging charge temp around to where it actually isn't. Accurate data is great if you know wtf you're actually doing.
@n5yiz3 жыл бұрын
@@anasasisxenophontis A test like this would be far easier and more accurate on the bench.
@turbochevelle56413 жыл бұрын
Not the way to do it. They are type k exposed element thermocouples. The way flow is properly measured is directly in the center of flow because that's where velocity is fastest and heat will be more concentrated. The gm sensor is much shorter that's why its reading is different and if they had a sensor dead center of flow it would read higher than the Rife. These guys have no idea obviously that there is no way to read real time temp and understanding excursion temps is a must along with placement of the element in the flow path. Sounds good what they are saying but they are missing the engineering principal behind why and where to take measurement for most accurate readings.
@hotrodray68022 жыл бұрын
Many Ford's of all ilk have the same sensors. Get real factory Motorcraft parts at the junkyards for pennies.
@jacksz283 жыл бұрын
Is Victor ever not on the phone ? lol
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
No sir, dude is day trading race sponsorships, gtr and Supra parts lol!
@350gtboi3 жыл бұрын
Using glossy screen laptop is no good for tuning.
@ASEWorldClassTech3 күн бұрын
Well if you made one that was calibrated to GM Specific specs, Then maybe you would sell more to the people who use HP Tuners... Your loosing money because of that...
@joehalliday49893 жыл бұрын
So the educational information is great but you're babbling on about it you could cut your video down save us time from watching all that jibber jabber get to the point
@MotionRaceworksOfficial3 жыл бұрын
You just gotta put up with it if you’re gonna learn. Sorry ;)
@BB-rn6so3 жыл бұрын
@@MotionRaceworksOfficial I say you do a very good job.
@15PSI3 жыл бұрын
@@BB-rn6so Correct. If you can't spend 11 minutes digesting new and important information, this may be the reason some racers are mid-pack instead of running at the top.