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Rolex vs OMEGA, Seiko Lost Its Way, Every Case Should be Under 40mm: Reacting to Your Hot Takes

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Teddy Baldassarre

Teddy Baldassarre

Күн бұрын

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@tpoz48
@tpoz48 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 73 years old. Although I've owned watches most of my life, I am new to horology. Learning new things has always interested me. Hence my enjoyment in watching this channel.
@denis888red
@denis888red 2 жыл бұрын
Good man Poz. Welcome :-)
@danwilson7581
@danwilson7581 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Poz. I'm only 60, always enjoyed quality watches. I enjoy this channel, but am apparently not target market. Time to move on?
@balesjo
@balesjo 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Poz, 67 y/o here and my interest in horology has developed since I retired. One day I decided I wanted to try an automatic watch, so I purchased a Orient Helios. Immediately struck by the beauty of design and accuracy of a mechanical movement. The hook had been made! Two months later I ordered a Hamilton Khaki Field Automatic. Then a Seiko Presage "Negroni" cocktail watch (amazing dial), followed by a Zelos 'Lunar Frost', a Seiko Khaki Navy Pioneer, and the last one which I got two months ago and hasn't left my wrist since, a Longines Flagship. At this point I'm having to apply the brakes and maybe thin the collection a bit before investing in more watches. Horology can become addictive, but how I love learning more about it.
@broskies1
@broskies1 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the club
@patienceisalpha
@patienceisalpha 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see older gentlemen appreciating the work of a Millennial KZfaqr.
@waynejohnson3214
@waynejohnson3214 2 жыл бұрын
I used to have the same thoughts on Seiko vs Grand Seiko. After learning more about watches, that has become a total non issue. Grand Seiko has established it's own legacy and should never change it's name. I used to think they were just too plain to command the prices they do, until seeing a couple in the wild. However, I do think they are a watch nerd's watch, and the casual observer won't appreciate them.
@ivanharlokin
@ivanharlokin 2 жыл бұрын
As long as they change that horrible logo and font. The regular Seiko one looks miles better.
@MarcSherwood
@MarcSherwood 2 жыл бұрын
I also enjoy the fact that my Snowflake is nothing to anyone who does not really like watches. People wear a sub for others, you wear a GS for yourself.
@daw162
@daw162 2 жыл бұрын
If the average person looks at them, they may notice the flashes from the facets, but that's probably about it. For some of us, it's a little weird to consider what other people think about the watch you're wearing (at least within reason. I probably wouldn't wear a pink glitter watch, but I wouldn't do that for myself just as much as being seen doing it).
@AdamPippert
@AdamPippert 2 жыл бұрын
I saw a comment on another Teddy B video that really hit home the Grand Seiko argument: a Rolex is for when you want to impress someone else, and a Grand Seiko is for when you want to impress yourself.
@christophersmith49
@christophersmith49 Жыл бұрын
They need to change the name. They need to stand on their own feet not keep Seiko name. But the price keeps them from doing it and is hurting their sales. Everyone knows Seiko is not luxury and having a name Seiko in your watch name will always pull down. They need their own name maybe at least GrandS so people stop saying word Seiko. You just can't think of luxury like Patek Philippe or roles or AP when you speak Seiko. So they need to cut that word out or come with a bra e new name. Grand is good word, but Seiko no. It should be two words and maybe hint that it is Asian or Japanese but that it is high exceptional quality and hand made. Maybe some name of Asian God and elegance and peace.
@jollyrob
@jollyrob 2 жыл бұрын
I don't understand the size arguments because there is no right and wrong clearly. There are trends and there are preferences - the end.
@chubbymonkey6604
@chubbymonkey6604 2 жыл бұрын
Knocked it out of the park again, Teddy. With all the heavy emotion that exists in this hobby, I think it’s good to remember that in this day and age, watches are supposed to just be fun. I love this video format and appreciate your level-headed take, especially as a business owner in the industry.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate this comment, my friend! Have a nice weekend.
@SavedbyHim
@SavedbyHim 2 жыл бұрын
Or we could see it as Teddy never wanting to ruffle any feathers because he has a vested interest...
@coolboy5428
@coolboy5428 2 жыл бұрын
@@SavedbyHim "They" are conniving and always play both sides.
@dagopates5849
@dagopates5849 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre can you do a video on the Omega Globmaster annual calendar. Would like to see what you think about it. And or a comparison between the annual calendar and the regular globmaster. Thanks
@cmsmith2142
@cmsmith2142 2 жыл бұрын
@@SavedbyHim I believe you are missing the point of the comment you are replying to.
@amoschoo6108
@amoschoo6108 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your point that Grand Seiko, having been established for so long, makes it very difficult for them to change their name. I think that while it does confuse people on the difference between Seiko and Grand Seiko, it shouldn't really change the perspective of the buyer, since the buyer who is gonna buy their watches know the brand pretty well. It only hurts those buyers who buy a watch solely as a status symbol, not appreciating any of the development or advancement a brand has made to the industry and attempt to degrade Grand Seiko by calling it 'an expensive Seiko'. It also doesn't help that a certain personality has once referred Grand Seiko as 'just an expensive Seiko'.
@jerryeu2161
@jerryeu2161 2 жыл бұрын
Like Nico Leonard calling GS shyt and an expensive seiko without holding one in his hands… showing a single Grand Seiko on his channel.
@854gabryel
@854gabryel 2 жыл бұрын
@@jerryeu2161 i don’t think Nico should be relevant in any discussion. I’ve watched like one video of that guy and besides the GS ‘mistake’ and many others he put Patek in the same category with a relatively cheap watch (I don’t remember exactly) and below Rolex. I felt like his whole tier list wat totally random. The reason I’m commenting is because I got anrgry for the whole day that someone with so many views spills so much bad information. If someone can shed some light on me: what’s up with that guy? Is he trolling? Why is he calling himself a ‘watch expert’, like based on what? As I said. I’ve never seen someone spilling so much bs in the watch community.
@sublimer2091
@sublimer2091 2 жыл бұрын
It's not that simple though, is it? The price point of Grand Seiko's are very a competitive price range. You can get 'better' reputation brands for the same cost.
@BlagoP
@BlagoP 2 жыл бұрын
Grand Seiko doesn't need to change their name, they just need to drop the "Grand Seiko" logo on the watches and just call themselves "GS". The same way a shitty products company called "Lucky Goldstar" changed their name to "LG" - they still make crap products but people think they're good.
@biplav32
@biplav32 2 жыл бұрын
@@BlagoP lucky gold star lol
@PhantomObserver
@PhantomObserver 2 жыл бұрын
About the Silver Snoopy bit: the NASA connection is one of those rare associations that, as far as marketing goes, was completely out of the hands of Omega and therefore completely unexpected. Hans Widmer of Omega did get the award on behalf of Omega in 1970 (for the performance of the Speedy during Apollo 13), and the fact that this was essentially an unplanned gift and not paid for by marketing, that matters to Omega's corporate memory. Very few companies outside of the aerospace industry incorporate their place in space and exploration history as part of their corporate and marketing DNA.
@tonelloable
@tonelloable 2 жыл бұрын
Omega are the best result of perfection and precision when is come about movement. Don't ever confuse them with Rolex or whatever, they have different customer category. You know any Rolex tourbillon, complicated with something? Exactly, are just well done watches, extravagant, gold, rose gold, platinum, diamonds, rare awww. etc. and not to exceptional well finished, i mean are brands who make a better job from this perspective. When Omega my friend, you should search about how mutch improvement bring in this industry, and the fact they was present in most important things in history, and is not about marketing, couse they not try to convince you how good they are if you don't have the watch culture you can take for yourself a Rolex is fine.this is a job for. Hublot or AP They are not watch dealers, keeping the rhythm with the market lol
@jeromel4563
@jeromel4563 2 жыл бұрын
well as a 17 year old, and being really enthusiastic with watches and the whole industry i think that this generation (gen z) has SUCH a large access to almost every and any industry you can think of, meaning that the watch industry being very niche will only gather few people who care about the history or the fascination of these tools, but then again i think people (gen z) will get back into watches when they start to realize the influence it has on your appearance and status, as MANY youtubers who do grooming and mens fashion promote the idea of having wristwatches to elevate the sophistication of your outfit and class.
@tomw485
@tomw485 2 жыл бұрын
@@EeBee97 I wouldn’t be too sure about that. No one would have predicted the recent surge in luxury mechanical wrist watches. We’re already living in a time where a watch is completely obsolete from a practicality perspective.
@burakcangur3407
@burakcangur3407 4 ай бұрын
@@tomw485Yes a mechanical watch might not have much practical use , they are in the and a kind of jewellery. Can you see people will ever stop buying diamond rings or gold bracelets any time soon ? Of course not smart watches or smartphones might be much superior functionwise but they lack the luxury feeling and looks. Which in the end matters the most. As long as we live in a materialistic world as we live in today .Luxury watches will never go out of business.On the contrrary the numbers suggest thay the luxury watch market grows exponentioally with the help of media.
@Nefville
@Nefville 2 жыл бұрын
See now this is smart, reacting to "viewer hot takes" that way you can say these things without all the backlash. I don't know why this hobby gets so contentious sometimes but it does and still these are topics that we should discuss; its good for the industry and for the hobby.
@petertrungha
@petertrungha 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like every niche hobby has a lot of “viewer hot takes” that makes regular people scratch their heads. A common theme in virtually every hobby is dumping on innovative designs yet groaning when you get “more of the same”.
@peterbigblock
@peterbigblock 2 жыл бұрын
You should see people argue over motor oil. Yes, motor oil.
@davidbridge5652
@davidbridge5652 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I'd much rather take an Omega over Rolex
@mannyman4103
@mannyman4103 2 жыл бұрын
Ditto
@davidbridge5652
@davidbridge5652 2 жыл бұрын
@KGR Why not
@stefanfreestylez
@stefanfreestylez 2 жыл бұрын
Pos and neg to both but if they were same price id say rolex is better buy buttttt then again it all comes down to personal taste. Were human afterall ;)
@davidbridge5652
@davidbridge5652 2 жыл бұрын
@@stefanfreestylez definitely, I like the look of omega far more than Rolex plus Rolex cost a more generally.
@MikeK02048
@MikeK02048 2 жыл бұрын
@KGR Better quality and technology for half the price. It's a no brainer!
@camaro72man
@camaro72man 2 жыл бұрын
"Seiko had lost their way" means you still want a $700 watch for $300. Now that they're charging $700, you're upset. The misalignment stuff has to stop. It was a cute joke with the SKX, but that's over
@carlosraygoza9153
@carlosraygoza9153 2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you, the only Seiko watch I have in my collection is the Seiko King Turtle (Green Dial), I love the watch. I paid around $500 for it. It's worth every penny : unique design, ceramic bezel, sapphire crystal, decent 4r36 movement with 40 hour reserve and most importantly an align bezel. (lol) I think I got what I paid for.
@camaro72man
@camaro72man 2 жыл бұрын
@@PepRex it's extremely mess common with their newer models. They even resigned a lot of their new throw backs without a chapter ring.
@murmor6890
@murmor6890 2 жыл бұрын
Is it a 700 watch though? One can, for example, get a Victorinox with a Swiss movement at or below that price point. Of course one has to consider that Seiko has a big selection, but while they used to be really good value for money, it wasn't 300 to 700 good value imo.
@Cowboy.underwater
@Cowboy.underwater 2 жыл бұрын
You can get a pagani with a sapphire crystal, a seiko movement, AND proper alignment for like $100.
@Cowboy.underwater
@Cowboy.underwater 2 жыл бұрын
You can get a pagani with a sapphire crystal, a seiko movement, AND proper alignment for like $100.
@tomw485
@tomw485 2 жыл бұрын
I’m very happy the trend is going away from the 48mm monstrosities of 10 years ago, but when people say stuff like all watches should be under 40mm it drives me nuts. I’m not a huge guy or anything but I’m relatively muscular and have somewhat wide wrists and hands. 42mm is really the sweet spot for me and even 44mm still looks good on my wrist. The smallest I will ever go is about 39mm for a simple dress piece.
@joebaer1358
@joebaer1358 Жыл бұрын
I agree as a tall guy with a big frame, 40mm is tastefully small on me, and 44mm looks normal on my wrist.
@Seedavis397
@Seedavis397 7 ай бұрын
Good comment but I would suggest that the “normal” size look of your watches are based on the so called “norm” in watch sizes. The size of a watch decades ago was considerably smaller. I believe watches were smaller because it’s nicer to wear, not bulky. In the last 15 years watched got obscenely large compared to the old days. I think a lot of the watch market was moving towards large watches due to the presence and the look at me and my watch trend. I think somewhere in the middle of old and new size is perfect. Just my opinion
@DalluCS
@DalluCS 2 ай бұрын
I have a big frame and an 8.3 inch wrist. Anything below 42mm looks stupid on me so I can relate
@CrispyFrenFry
@CrispyFrenFry 2 жыл бұрын
I just turned 30 recently and to celebrate that I purchased my first quality watch. Although I understand it isn’t considered a luxury watch, my Seiko Presage in the brown burst dial is the most expensive watch I could responsibly afford and like it. However, I don’t know that I’ll ever be able to afford anything beyond this line of watches but I resigned myself to enjoying the presage watch.
@Furniture121
@Furniture121 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I have learned in the hobby is that price doesn't equal happiness. My favourite watches aren't my most expensive ones, or my most fancy ones. If the Presage make you happy when you look at it, you're farther ahead than someone with a Rolex, wishing it was a Lange.
@ChromeMan04
@ChromeMan04 2 жыл бұрын
Seiko Presage is luxury
@vitoriogarcia6931
@vitoriogarcia6931 2 жыл бұрын
Seiko Pressage is such a beautfull choose. Congrats pall!
@blackburnheart
@blackburnheart 2 жыл бұрын
Seiko Presage is really great
@nolanmonke4330
@nolanmonke4330 2 жыл бұрын
@@ItsMaceo Omega Seamaster 3OOm
@JamesK1963
@JamesK1963 2 жыл бұрын
I have both Rolex and Omega watches. I love both and wear both. My Rolex watches are much better though. If I had to choose, I'd pick my Rolex watches over my Omega watches anyday. Also, I have 7.25" wrists and I generally prefer 40mm. 38mm to 42mm is my sweet spot. However, when it comes to size, I draw the line at anything more than a 50mm lug-to-lug size.
@kiwiflyer2190
@kiwiflyer2190 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you addressed the watch size question. I have a 19.5 cm wrist that also happens to be wide. A typical 40mm looks very small on my wrist, A 43 or 44mm is normally a good sweet spot. Great content as always!
@MixedTapeVideosNBA
@MixedTapeVideosNBA 2 жыл бұрын
I have to strongly disagree with the 40mm take. I have a small wrist myself but to say that anything above a 40mm case is too big is ridiculous. Just think about the IWC Big Pilot, Seiko Prospex Divers, G-Shocks, Panerai. All of these watches need to be big, it’s purposeful and ultimately what gives them their charm and has made them icons. Also there’s simply people with big wrists, a 36mm isn’t going to look great on everybody.
@duanerobinson935
@duanerobinson935 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Plus, I can’t read a 36mm anymore. Even with glasses on!
@DangerIndustries
@DangerIndustries 2 жыл бұрын
I have a 8.3in and after wearing a 36mm datejust, I don't want big watches anymore . it's so comfortable and wears like it isn't there, and looks great!
@maitrehg
@maitrehg 2 жыл бұрын
You can't be serious.
@RebuildingSaad
@RebuildingSaad 2 жыл бұрын
Good for you, man! I really like how smaller watches look.
@DangerIndustries
@DangerIndustries 2 жыл бұрын
@@maitrehg definitely am. It wears bigger than 36mm, it looks good on me according to others where a 38mm hamilton didn't. And it's great, it I want comfort, that's what I wear
@maitrehg
@maitrehg 2 жыл бұрын
@@DangerIndustries I agree with you for the comfort. For the look, I'm sure a girls watch looks weird on an alpha male wrist like yours.
@duvalpenny100
@duvalpenny100 2 жыл бұрын
For comparison. A 36mm on a 8.3 inch wrist is like the equivalent of a 32mm on a 6 inch wrist which most people would consider too small. I stick to 42mm myself (8 inch flat wrist). But I was pretty tempted to buying a 38mm hamilton mechanical. It did look small but real field watches actually were very small, so it didn't look bad at all.
@MarcoCaifan87
@MarcoCaifan87 2 жыл бұрын
On the Grand Seiko point, I’d also argue that it doesn’t help that a lot of young or new watch enthusiasts are led to believe by some KZfaqrs that GS watches are just expensive Seikos. There’s a particular group I’d categorize as snobbish and almost always automatically put down GS just because of the “Seiko” in their name.
@danielerasmuslouwrens5176
@danielerasmuslouwrens5176 2 жыл бұрын
Yes more of these Teddy! So nice to hear you speak “more freely” and hear your opinion. Have the editors throw in a few questions you aren’t prepared for either
@untoweechja2238
@untoweechja2238 2 жыл бұрын
Thought provoking discussion regarding the design conundrum. I confess I'll spend hours looking at watches, wondering why all I see are minor (and frankly boring, for the most part) variations on tried-and-true designs, only to balk at something new and innovative as too radical or flashy for my tastes. It's no wonder manufacturers play it safe.
@christopherjohnson4276
@christopherjohnson4276 2 жыл бұрын
This series is awesome! Teddy you're fair, reserved, and open-minded. Hello from C-bus, glad the Browns have the weekend off 😃. Love your content, take care.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Chris! The state of my browns is sad at the moment. At least we have the promising, young Cavs.
@BrendanSilent
@BrendanSilent 2 жыл бұрын
The "perfect size is 40 and under" thing needs to stop. It's the most common and most wrong sentiment in the watch world. Look at a 38mm on my 7.5in wrist and you'll quickly see why I don't buy anything below a 42. Your wrist is not The Wrist.
@jdstarek
@jdstarek 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, the “under 40mm” snobs need to eat a sandwich and hit the gym… 40-42 is my perfect size…but to each their own. There is no “right” size, just what is right for the individual.
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 2 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% - just because a watch doesn’t fit you doesn’t mean it’s a bad watch. Also, be willing to try something out of your comfort zone if you feel compelled.
@993mike
@993mike 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely - at 6’3” with an 8” wrist if I wear a watch under 40mm it looks like I’m wearing my wife’s watch!
@niels-henrikfyhringmeier7669
@niels-henrikfyhringmeier7669 2 жыл бұрын
Totally right Teddy - however I think under 40 trend is here is caused by the lack of choices in that smaller wristed zone. When you see companies release new watches they might size people out and the usually make it in the large size first, which probably is why the omega seamaster aqua terra, Rolex OP 36 and Tudor BB58 are so popular, because that actually is the same design as the bigger watches in a smaller package. Just a thought though. Love your content and you made me buy a Nomos, as a my dress watch and thank you for that.
@BrendanSilent
@BrendanSilent 2 жыл бұрын
@@TeddyBaldassarre what about a video where you sit down 3 guys with 3 different wrist sizes, and they all try on the same watches on camera, at 36 and 40 and 44mm, just to illustrate how silly the argument is? Nobody would ever tell a 6 foot 5 man he should be wearing a medium size tshirt, so why do that in watches?
@Phlegm_Thrower
@Phlegm_Thrower 2 жыл бұрын
I like to wear larger watches in hot summer days when I wear more short sleeves and looking more casual. That's when I bust out my G-Shock. I wear smaller watches as it gets colder and I start layering up, and in more formal occasions.
@soltvr4215
@soltvr4215 2 жыл бұрын
You know as unpopular an opinion as it may be, I really think the new Seiko 5 automatic sports and "diver" watches are both affordable and beautiful timepieces. Mine just makes me smile Everytime I look at it. Just wear what you love, not what they tell you. Thanks for more great content!!
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 2 жыл бұрын
I am a fan of them too. Thanks for watching!
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I am a seasoned watch collector and I just bought one just because. I love how it looks and I anticipate it will have a regular spot in the rotation with far more expensive pieces, because it looks that good.
@danwilson7581
@danwilson7581 2 жыл бұрын
I have several of them as well, and throughly enjoy them!
@marfg12345
@marfg12345 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think all watches should be
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
I get it, but I think Tissot is trying to sell the Visodate as an every day watch that can be dressed up rather than as a dressy watch that you could wear casually. It might be a distinction without a difference, but IMO, if they were trying to sell the Visodate as a dress watch, they should have made itsmaller.
@Ozmeister666
@Ozmeister666 2 жыл бұрын
The average male wrist is 7.25", so not everybody has these tiny wrists most watch nerds seem to have. A watch too small looks just as bad as too big.
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ozmeister666 Below a certain threshold, sure. I wouldn't expect a man to wear a 23 mm ladies watch. But some younger guys don't remember a time, say before the mid 90s when many men, if not most men wore watches that these days would be considered mid sized. And, many of these watches are icons in the history of horology. Omega Constellation, Rolex Explorer, Cartier Tank, JLC Reverso, AP Royal Oak, Patek Calatrava. All small watches by modern standards. Are you saying that generations of watch designers and watch affcionados who wore these classic watches were just wrong, and it wasn't until the late 90s when the watch industry finally figured things out?
@Ozmeister666
@Ozmeister666 2 жыл бұрын
@@martintanz9098 Times changed and so did taste/fashion. I totally get smaller sizes for dressier pieces but for your average male 40-42mm is the sweet spot for sport/everyday watches, which is why the market adapted to provide mostly these sizes. I've got 7.5" wrists and even a 36mm Explorer just looks ridiculous on me. I've actually always thought to have rather slim wrists before I started watching watch youtube/reddit were the average wrist size seemingly shrinks to like 6.5".
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ozmeister666 my wrists are just a little over 7.5", probably 7.6 to 7.7, and I am with you on 36 mm seeming a little small now. But not outrageously so. I still enjoy my vintage watches, from time to time, though they are not my every day watches anymore. As to why the market changed, I think some of it has to do with more casual modes of dressing generally. The second thing is, quartz. Back in the day, a watch that was small and thin showed a watchmaking craft. For a long time now, even the cheapest watches could be made very small and thin. So the luxury brands, at least some of them started making watch cases bigger, even if a lot of the case space was just air, or a spacer.
@stevefox8605
@stevefox8605 2 жыл бұрын
Surprised but pleased that most of the viewers are below 40!! I'm over 50 & I've always thought of it as an older persons hobby as we generally have higher disposable income & tend to be more nostalgic for obsolete technology! Glad to hear youngsters are enjoying the hobby as much as I have since the 80s. My hot takes, Omega make better watches than Rolex,but Rolex are the best at marketing and anything designed (or influenced) by Genta after 1970 are fugly " Emperor's New clothes" pieces 🤢 Good show, Cheers mate 👍👍
@jelleposthuma8786
@jelleposthuma8786 2 жыл бұрын
No i just started as a student! Recently picked up a seiko snd809k2 and a seiko titanium secondhand. Ofcourse rolexes are far out of my budget but watches around this price point are still very good looking to me, especially since secondhand you can get alot of value for your money!
@bloodwine1965
@bloodwine1965 2 жыл бұрын
Love my omega seamaster, but I expected a bigger watch ,being a sports watch or diver, hell of a lot cheaper than Rolex and more accessible, and the presentation and boxes for omega are far superior
@user-eb7ns2or1j
@user-eb7ns2or1j 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think omega is far superior than Rolex my fucking omega speedmaster is getting moisture in the crystal
@bloodwine1965
@bloodwine1965 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-eb7ns2or1j I did say the presentation and boxes where far superior, if it’s under warranty send it back, it obviously these watches need checking every 12 months or so if regularly submerged in water
@JamesK1963
@JamesK1963 2 жыл бұрын
I have both Rolex and Omega. I love my Omega Speedmaster and my Omega Seamaster, I wear them all the time. They are not better than my Rolex watches. Also, the Speedmaster is basically the same size as my 40mm Rolex Submariner.
@ComicalSatania
@ComicalSatania 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-eb7ns2or1j Yep the speedmaster seems to have that issue because it has no real water resistance
@user-eb7ns2or1j
@user-eb7ns2or1j 2 жыл бұрын
But I love omega and Rolex they are both at the same level for me
@vass5024
@vass5024 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh I used to wear 42mm, after I discovered your channel a few years ago my max size now is 38mm. It's kind of weird, I used to think that 38mm or < doesn't suit my character, but after I bought a Seagull ST19 38mm just fo fun.. It completely altered my view on smaller sizes. Great upload Teddy!
@BlagoP
@BlagoP 2 жыл бұрын
Analogy for someone who doesn't know what a Grand Seiko is: "You know how Tudor makes Rolexes? It’s the same way Seiko makes Grand Seikos."
@amde8554
@amde8554 2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@diavalus
@diavalus 2 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda weird how just a name will influence watch buyers (and not only), but the quality doesn’t matter that much.
@wdf1088
@wdf1088 2 жыл бұрын
Tudor DOES NOT make Rolexes.
@amde8554
@amde8554 2 жыл бұрын
@@wdf1088 that was the joke
@nicolomene4982
@nicolomene4982 2 жыл бұрын
About the Gen Z not being interested in watches is absolutely true, I'm born in 2001 and I have just one friend that has interest in watches, and thanks to your video I'm getting more involved in the craft and history in the watch industry, something that I wouldn't have learned anywhere else. So thank you Teddy
@BabyJesus66
@BabyJesus66 2 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, do you think it's because the relatively boring styles of most watches (pretty much the same thing over and over). I'm curious if younger people would be into crazier watches like Richard Mille, or the Black Panther watch more than older people would be. It seems like older people can't stand anything different or new, whereas younger people like different and new.
@1whetam1
@1whetam1 2 жыл бұрын
Same. im in college rn (2000) and I only have one friend into watches. But it works out because we are both obsessed
@samuelhopely4853
@samuelhopely4853 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabyJesus66 People always simplify every younger generation in history by assuming they only want things that are new and exciting. Consider that few of the people Buying RM models are younger people. We can't afford them man. You know what a lot of us bought? Those terrible Daniel Wellington watches. People forget that Gen Z are the ones buying record players, film cameras, fountain pens, and other bits of analogue heritage. Like every generation, we contrast the world we came into. Gen X bought steel Rolexes when their parents bought gold watches. Boomers bought Mustangs when their parents wanted Oldsmobiles. The world we've grown up with is one of impermanence, so we've started buying things that are concrete and reliable to counter that, but the watch industry rightfully caters to those who have the money, which isn't us. When we can afford luxury watches, we will buy them. (1999)
@nicolomene4982
@nicolomene4982 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabyJesus66 personally I am not a fan of RM, I just fancy a couple models, I prefer history and class in a watch, in fact my favourite watches right now are the JLC Reverso and the Vacheron Constantine Overseas
@ivanharlokin
@ivanharlokin 2 жыл бұрын
Interest in watches tends to come later in life. The fact that Gen Z are not interested in watches now does not mean that they won't when they are more settled and affluent in their 30s and 40s.
@watcheswithabdullah
@watcheswithabdullah 2 жыл бұрын
This one of the most intellectually-fresh and real 'watch talk' I've heard in a longgg time! I completely agree with you. The definition of 'desirable' has been changing so rapidly that brands are either 1). shooting blindly to see what sticks or 2). following the footsteps of the success story. And also...rich collectors need to stop buying EVERY SINGLE POSTER WATCH! It's literally the reason why brands just forget their rich heritage and just focus on that one piece (Nautilus, Royal Oak, Reverso, Speedmaster...)
@ElusiveMasquerade
@ElusiveMasquerade 2 жыл бұрын
I love my Omega SMP 300. The Rolex Submariner is a beautiful watch but honestly Omega is my favorite.
@js002003
@js002003 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Omega is low key closer to rolex than some people think, especially for the money. For instance, The speedy is closer to the daytona than the price would suggest and I might even take the omega over the rolex just based on size.
@spydude38
@spydude38 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly enjoyed this episode. I always like to hear different opinions and perspectives. I'm in my late 50s so not in the "younger" generation of watch collectors, but relatively new to horology. I've learned so much just by watching and listening to people such as Teddy Baldassare and his viewers. Thank you.
@sebastianvarela5658
@sebastianvarela5658 2 жыл бұрын
I just turned 20 this year and also got into watches a couple of months ago. I must say that yeah, none of my friends get excited or think anything about watches. I think it’s possible that it will drop due to the new generation that don’t really care about analog technology 🥲. Thanks for helping me discover this world btw! Your channel is definitely the cornerstone of my watch knowledge and my entire wishlist comes from here 😂
@TRUYORK718
@TRUYORK718 2 жыл бұрын
Run !!!
@denis888red
@denis888red 2 жыл бұрын
@@TRUYORK718 When you're right, you're right!!!!!
@JeremiahHartmanPhotography
@JeremiahHartmanPhotography 2 жыл бұрын
Grand Seiko is amazing, im looking forward to getting a spring drive model (as soon as they get rid of the gawdy power meter), As far as Rolex VS Omega....I ended up getting sick of seeing used Submariners getting to ridiculous prices (im not paying over 8K for a stainless steel watch)..so it pushed me to start exploring other brands. I ended up buying an Omega Seamaster, and am totally in love it with it. Looking forward to getting a Seamaster 300m!
@denis888red
@denis888red 2 жыл бұрын
As a dude with a very large upper-end watch collection, I will say this my friend... You are absolutely never going to go wrong with a Seamaster 300M. A horological classic and class choice :-)
@JeremiahHartmanPhotography
@JeremiahHartmanPhotography 2 жыл бұрын
@@denis888red i totally agree...i got a Seamaster 300 a few months ago and absolutely love it!
@Cripinub1
@Cripinub1 2 жыл бұрын
Love a new omega way worth the price and same quality as a Rolex. I have Rolex’s also.
@edjustice7755
@edjustice7755 2 жыл бұрын
Great talking points Teddy! Thank you for continuing to listen and air these topics out in public! Just to be clear the Octo case design was by Gerald Genta. Hence, it is not something from a brand trying to copying something else (as a someone mentioned) it is an original design owned by Bvlgari and interrupted by their designers. You are completely on point with regards to the industry, and refreshing to hear other than hyping this and that to sell something. Regarding Zenith, we don't want another Rolex, why do we need a dive watch from them, they are putting out some great product right now. Grand Seiko, the car analogy is perfect and correct. I will not pay USD over 2k with a Seiko on the dial, sorry my loss your gain. Again thanks for airing this out Teddy.
@keithh2028
@keithh2028 2 жыл бұрын
I have over a 7 and 1/2 in wrist. I've tried watches under 40mm, and they look tiny. It's 40mm and over only for me.
@jolness1
@jolness1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I would say for average or smaller wrists, the 36-40mm size is very good. A typical 40mm sports watch looks a little small on my wrist though so I tend to prefer a 41-43mm (depending on case and lug architecture) for a sports watch and a 36-38mm for a dress watch. It's all preference though. I am not out here trying to abolish 38mm sports watches because they don't work for me. Good that everyone has options.
@almostnoodles
@almostnoodles 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. I’ve got 20cm wrists and anything smaller than 42mm looks puny on me! I do wish there were more dress watch options larger than 42mm though.
@jolness1
@jolness1 2 жыл бұрын
@@almostnoodles with a dress watch I prefer something more classically proportioned. I think large dress watches look silly myself 38mm Looks traditional on my wrist though.
@arcdestriumph586
@arcdestriumph586 2 жыл бұрын
Abolishing over 40mm? Militant Stick Arm dweebs... Puny types with willowy arms who wear watches to appear bigger. I love 42mm's without bezels.. great big pronounced dial. I have 7.5 inch wrist and 42mm is my prefered size in a regular watch .. 48mm in a diver.
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
@@almostnoodles An oversized dress watch is an Oxymoron for a couple of reasons. First, a dress watch is about understated elegance. Simple, without complications. Larger than 42 mm on a dress watch looks clumsy with a lot of empty dial space. Second, it is meant to be worn under a shirt cuff, and with a suit jacket. An oversized watch just looks clumsy under a shirt cuff. FWIW, a 20 cm wrist is large, but not huge. To the extent you think 41 mm looks puny, it is just something you conditioned yourself to see. Objectively, it isn't. From the time wristwatches started to be worn by men, around 1920, until around the late 1990s, almost nobody made watches larger than 42, and most watches were smaller than 37 mm wide. It is only the last 25 years where huge watches became a thing.
@markrichards3720
@markrichards3720 2 жыл бұрын
@@martintanz9098 or maybe your stick in the proportions of 50 years ago when men were 40 pounds lighter and 4 inches shorter thsfs why the propertions worked not now unless your challenged in the wrist department
@Eddie86B
@Eddie86B 2 жыл бұрын
Rolex is dope, but imo Omega makes a much nicer looking watch.
@jimlittle5769
@jimlittle5769 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer Omega to Rolex as well. Prefer the Seamaster 300M to the Submariner, the AT to the Explorer I, Planet Ocean to the Sea Dweller and, of course, Rolex has no answer to Omega's AT Worldtimer. Having said that Rolex has a few watches Omega doesn't have an aesthetic equivalent. Z-Blue Milgauss, Polar Explorer II, the whole GMT II model line. That's where I like to dip my toe in the Rolex brand, myself.
@Ossory88
@Ossory88 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer Rolex much more. Just a nicer brand, no Swatch group holding in their neck, doing their thing and doesnt try to bend over backwards to whatever trend is hot right now. They create trends themselves rather. No comparison to me what's the better brand.
@jdstarek
@jdstarek 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the looks of Rolex in general, but like both, have owned both. Love the Omega Ploprof.
@garyboyle695
@garyboyle695 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ossory88 So what trend has Rolex started?
@speckracing7165
@speckracing7165 2 жыл бұрын
I which i could appreciate Rolex more, but on waiting list for 9 months now… starting to give up and buy Omega. I really wonder why all my newspapers and magazines are filled with Rolex adds when it is impossible to buy them before Christmas…2025
@sakshamgupta533
@sakshamgupta533 2 жыл бұрын
I am just turned 18 and I just got to know what is a automatic and mechanical watch means 2 days ago and now I' am fan of the channel and love all these watches which I can not afford(even above (50$)but just mesmerized by their beauty them and in how much detail you explain and your passion just wonderful like your video on the spring drive just love it too much
@erik0073
@erik0073 2 жыл бұрын
Invicta watches offer a lot of value for the price. Same for Fossil. Many can be bought pre-owned on eBay for around $35, a fantastic buy.
@Oldpigsass
@Oldpigsass 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest laugh was "Zenith copies the Daytona", when Rolex busses in pared-down El Primero movements from Zenith for the Daytona,
@leemacdonald6533
@leemacdonald6533 2 жыл бұрын
True, if you look at past El Primero's you can see it just evolution, the bezel was required for the 1/10th count and there are more differences than similarities. For me it's the chronomaster sport all day.
@samuelhopely4853
@samuelhopely4853 2 жыл бұрын
As the officially elected delegate for Gen Z, I can assure you many of us are huge fans of watches. The issue is the the market today is vastly different than it was in 2014-2017. Yes, the watches we have today are the greatest they've ever been, but as speemasters and datejusts and even seikos crawl up higher and higher in prices, we're just not able to catch up yet. The watches we desire are the ones that channels like this celebrate, but the watches we can afford just simply aren't the same, save for a few notable outliers. However, the success of Daniel Wellington and similar brands shows without a doubt that we have high interest in luxury watches, as many Gen Z people were willing to fork over absurd amounts of money for low quality items such as those. For most of us, the $5000 USD barrier for entry into proper luxury watches... you have to remember that's 1/5 of our average yearly income. We'll get there, we just can't afford it.
@arghjayem
@arghjayem 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. It’s like houses…..we’d love to own them but can’t afford them! 😂🤣😂
@christianseybert9631
@christianseybert9631 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better myself as a fellow gen Z.
@MrApotheosis15
@MrApotheosis15 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, days of the 400$ Seiko Alpinist are long gone. We don't get watches that offer so much at that price point anymore.
@jamesyoo4779
@jamesyoo4779 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrApotheosis15 It's a shame that to find those prices, you have to dig deep into the gray market, which is a shame what with the weird warranty policies they have and stuff.
@LiahusN
@LiahusN 2 жыл бұрын
I love my $300 Seiko 5 SRPD71K2 as much as I love my $1500 Oris Aquis. Waiting for my first field watch again a $600 seiko prospex. It is not about the price. It is about what you like
@jamesyoo4779
@jamesyoo4779 2 жыл бұрын
10:00 I think people forget that Gen-Z is not quite old enough yet. The earliest years (like myself) are just entering the workforce or starting grad school. We don't quite yet have the disposable income needed to make a serious mark in the watch industry. But I'm happy to report that people around me who are Gen-Z have quite an interest in watches, or at least, a budding interest. The allure of Rolex and Omega are not lost on anybody. Rap music also got a whole new generation and demographic of people aspiring to own a Patek or AP one day. I think there's a reason why AP released the Black Panther Royal Oak: to leave an impression on young people. While I still do think that smartphones and smartwatches will make a dent in the watch industry, I do believe that a lot of the Gen-Z is growing up even more exposed to watches and watch brands than millennials did.
@MyLifeInTheDesert
@MyLifeInTheDesert 2 жыл бұрын
Im starting to doubt that Gen Z will ever have the disposable income - that would require your generation to actually show up to work
@NickVetter
@NickVetter 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyLifeInTheDesert people are starting to work younger than ever
@elgatto3133
@elgatto3133 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyLifeInTheDesert People work all the time, but you boomers love to complain about how little we work. Us gen z'ers will never retire from work by the way you people have run the world!
@stevier4964
@stevier4964 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyLifeInTheDesert 😂😂😂
@jamesyoo4779
@jamesyoo4779 2 жыл бұрын
@@MyLifeInTheDesert You'll actually find that Gen-Z are entering the workforce younger than previously (as allowed legally), and are actually quite eager to work. The pandemic threw a wrench at everything, but we're eager to work as long as the pay is good and the conditions are right.
@michelinii2311
@michelinii2311 2 жыл бұрын
The red and blue 59.11s APs look absolutely phenomenal in person. Especially the red version without the subdials.
@empnardo
@empnardo 2 жыл бұрын
being a guy who owns various 39-43mm Rolexes and Omega's and has a normal-slightly large wrist, I could never imagine a watch scene without a 40+mm watch. My DJ41 is a perfect watch for my wrist and a smaller watch, specifically a 36mm explorer looks absolutely ridiculous (which has stopped me from getting a new explorer)
@nemanjamanutd
@nemanjamanutd 2 жыл бұрын
the statement in itself is kinda bs anyway, like are we gonna ignore absolute bests of people who have enormous wrists . Anything smaller than 40mm looks just off on their wrist
@morganneher8643
@morganneher8643 2 жыл бұрын
“ You just did a drive by on half the industry” Fell out my chair Teddy lol.
@TerminusVox
@TerminusVox 2 жыл бұрын
On Seiko's pricing, I hear what you're saying. But one of the reasons Seiko gaining such widespread popularity was the availability AND pricing. Now they are limiting their availability and pricing. They've cut my sector of the market out of their pool of potential customers.
@d3xmeister
@d3xmeister 2 жыл бұрын
That is simply not true. We’re talking about a brand that is at the very top since the 60’s, their popularity has very little to do with a small period of time when some of their watches were heavily discounted on some markets. Their numbers actually increased a lot since their “price increases” and “unpopular” new Seiko 5’s and so on. Keep in mind that watch enthusiast are not the market for Seiko or almost any other brand
@balesjo
@balesjo 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a bit confused about your final statement, unless you're referring to a specific line. Seiko offers quite a broad series of watches that cover pretty much all price points. Their business model of the last few years has taken some of their lines more upscale. For instance, the Presage line.They offer a lower end with the cocktail watches in the $500 range, but have been introducing more refined watches that range from around $1000 to $4500 (Spring Drive models). Some have fine lacquer, enamel, or porcelain dials, some with Zaratsu polishing of the case and bracelet. But you still have the Seiko 5 and the Prospex lines which cover from affordable to mid-ranged watches. There should be price points for most budgets.
@TerminusVox
@TerminusVox 2 жыл бұрын
@@balesjo Less than $100?
@TerminusVox
@TerminusVox 2 жыл бұрын
@@d3xmeister And I can't afford them. True, Seiko doesn't need my money, consumers of modest means should be able to get a good automatic tool watch at a decent price.
@TwentyOne_Five
@TwentyOne_Five 2 жыл бұрын
1:00. Keep pumping that Tissot with the integrated bracelet. It’s really really cool.
@KMV007
@KMV007 2 жыл бұрын
Best watch channel on YT. Always unbiased, balanced views which is so nice to see.
@CharlieHustle1687
@CharlieHustle1687 2 жыл бұрын
So thankful that Teddy is in this field. So much crap out there and he gets the big picture views
@hughg2143
@hughg2143 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Loved the points about the Chronomaster Sport/Daytona. The Daytona is a great watch but its become more of a status symbol in my opinion, the current price tag is absurd. Great to hear they used an El Primero movement in the past, I am not surprised at all 🤣
@msbrownbeast
@msbrownbeast 2 жыл бұрын
They used the Zenith El Primero movement, but removed the calendar function and scaled down the beats for better reliability.
@rozashanina3167
@rozashanina3167 2 жыл бұрын
The only watch related channel I could care to watch, as your rational is exceptional!
@timothyvandyke9511
@timothyvandyke9511 2 жыл бұрын
As a zoomer myself, I just bought my first Quartz movement over $20 watch. I love it! It's the start of my collection (which I admit will always be a very humble collection as this watch is only $108). I want to get an automatic in the next few weeks as well to continue the collection (still under $100) but to the point that I don't *need* a watch, yeah I don't. I used to need one for running, and a $15 timex was the best option for that. Light, cheap, beatable etc. Now I swim and I always wear a watch. I got this watch to dress up, but more than anything I want a watch because they're cool! I don't need a watch though, and spending more than $200 on a watch just sounds completely outlandish to me. I just don't need one that badly but who knows, maybe in a few years I'll be eating my words :)
@yonusalisardar178
@yonusalisardar178 2 жыл бұрын
As a Genz watch enthusiast, I agree with the fact that most GenZ kids these days have barely any idea what mechanical watches are but as someone who has only gotten into watches during the pandemic, I would say that we are the most perfect future customer demographic since most of us realize that it's better to own a mechanical watch longterm even though we have an apple watches. If watch brands educate and market themselves along the lines of selling a product that is unique, long-lasting, and is personable than an apple watch; Most GENZ Kids are going to jump at the opportunity to acquire automatic and mechanical watches. If watch brands like Seiko had good marketing compared to MVMT watches, trash overpriced fashion watches would not be so hyped by influencers and be bought by us. Good Education + Good Marketing = GENZ Customer acquisition.
@LM-kc2uw
@LM-kc2uw 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah as a fellow genz member that’s now going to university (19) I feel like our demographic is perfect, we’re at the age where we can get better paying jobs and honestly if a brand like seiko offered more of a sense of personalisation it would rlly take off
@vodizzzle
@vodizzzle 2 жыл бұрын
I think part of the hobby is also the the fact that you kind of have to discover a lil bit. If I would see Seiko insta ads similar to mvmt or all these other „Swiss made“ Chinese dropshipping brands, and therefore every 2nd 19y/o wearing these, that would be a reason for me NOT to buy these pieces…
@kaym7704
@kaym7704 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think you’re going to get a lot of Gen Z buying into overpriced marketing hype on outdated technology like mechanical watches (At least the Japanese are trying to innovate with quartz/spring drive). Sure you’ll get the “buy to impress other” crowd from the Gen Z’ers but every generation has those people. To me Rolex is the epitome of anti-Gen Z…that brand is a machine made/mass produced/boomer/I have too much money and want to impress my friend crowd.
@kaym7704
@kaym7704 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackz4149 i bet you’re the type to buy to impress others.
@jackz4149
@jackz4149 2 жыл бұрын
@Kay M yeah well expensive mechanical watches are more lifestyle and hobby than function. You’ll learn to enjoy them when you reach certain income level, when everyday items such as computers, cars, clothing don’t appeal to you anymore. In order to enjoy expensive mechanical watches you need to have good taste in art and appreciation for complicated machines. Therefore if someone’s poor or still has mortgage payments, don’t even bother
@alexcruz8007
@alexcruz8007 2 жыл бұрын
Omega > Rolex - there, that’ my hot take..
@oak6302
@oak6302 Жыл бұрын
Im 14 and I absolutely love watches, it’s kinda sad to see that no one my age likes them nearly as much as me. I think it would be great to try to get more young people into watches.
@zoolander6362
@zoolander6362 11 ай бұрын
It's an expensive hobby my young friend
@MRichK
@MRichK 2 жыл бұрын
As my eyes get older my watches get bigger. I can't even see some of the small dates on my old watches. (Cheap ones to be sure...) So I would probably not consider anything less than 40 or maybe more.
@RedwoodAggie
@RedwoodAggie 2 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent video, and I would like to see more of these periodically. Hearing Teddy's take on these points is really interesting, partly because he's deep in things now, including from sales front, and has a more informed perspective. As far as the Octo Finissimo, I think it's really cool. I don't know that it's my style, but I'd consider it if I was spending that much on a watch. It's great to see something modern in design. Remember, the Royal Oak was wild and not necessarily the hit it is today back when it was released. We need watches that will be re-issued or looked back upon fondly 20-40 years from now. As one of the older viewers (Gen X), I definitely think watch companies are resting on their laurels too much, and not courting Gen Z appropriately.
@Furniture121
@Furniture121 2 жыл бұрын
The thing I find amusing with people getting upset about "Swiss Made", is I bet almost nothing in their homes is "Made in America". Somehow Chinese parts are the worst thing ever in a $600 watch, but their $1000+ fridge is perfectly fine with Chinese parts. How many people know where the parts in their "American" car are made? Watches should be fun, and useful. Getting wound up(I'll see myself out) about silly things just takes the fun out of the hobby.
@mammadyusubov
@mammadyusubov 2 жыл бұрын
Teddy, Mr. Baldassar, please, keep this humble, classy yet sophisticated style up. This is the best channel about watches on KZfaq. I haven't come across anything better yet. Well done!
@rogergreene2272
@rogergreene2272 2 жыл бұрын
About the 40mm case size. I’m 6’5, 375. I have to request additional links anytime I get a Seiko or Citizen. 43-46mm is my sweet spot. Anything smaller and it just won’t wear correctly on my wrist.
@theverbalremedy
@theverbalremedy 2 жыл бұрын
Dress Watch tradionally in the 50s-80s were
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
Actually from the 20s to the 90s. I would venture the standard size men's watch varied but 31 or 32 mm was not uncommon, and 36 was sports watch territory (Rolex Datejust and Explorer, for example). I don't often wear my vintage watches, but on special occasions, they are so much more elegant than modern watches.
@markrichards3720
@markrichards3720 2 жыл бұрын
Men. Were actually 40. Pounds lighter and 4 inch shorter thats why smaller size all bout proportions those of from a bygone age
@danielcanizales731
@danielcanizales731 2 жыл бұрын
Teddy makes a great point about new watch designs being risky.
@wuhanclan
@wuhanclan 2 жыл бұрын
Aesthetically speaking, I believe there are only a finite number of designs and any large deviations from them will result in very little mass appeal. Real innovations are still being made in movement technology though.
@codycrawford471
@codycrawford471 2 жыл бұрын
Teddy, your on fire man. Great vid. I have 6.5-6.75" wrist with 54mm width. I wear everything from 36mm cases to a 53mm lug to lug Sumo with zero issues of looking odd or over sized. The design can make such a big impact on wearability. Regarding the watch market, it will go through ups and downs like every other market, however, surviving and then thriving after the quarts era suggests to me the best is yet to come. I appreciate your hard work and dedication.
@macmorgan6685
@macmorgan6685 2 жыл бұрын
I guess I’d consider myself a collector of sorts- watches, guitars, motorcycles. It came from my father’s obsession with time and watches. He was a pilot having been the youngest to obtain his license at 16 in 1931. He gave me my first watch, a Timex and first chronograph, a Wakmann day-date. I got interested in Rolex after watching Dr.No and seeing Sean Connery with his submariner- probably could have bought one back then for around $100.00! My first “expensive” watch was an Omega Speedmaster bought in 1967 at a PX in Giessen Germany. It was $94.00 (all I had in my checking acct.) and bought because the Rolex submariner was $125.00. The Daytona wasn’t really popular at the time and I really didn’t even know about them till much later. By the 90s computers and the internet were available and I started to read the watch forums and came upon a piece titled “Why I didn’t buy a Rolex Daytona”. I’d already seen a couple in jewelry stores but not for sale! At the time they were using a Zenith El Primero movement so why not look for one of those. The date was the mid 90s and Zenith was not being sold in the US. I found a watch seller in the UK selling them and ordered one. Here it is 2022 and I still have it. I’ve finally acquired a couple Rolex, a GMT, Explorer, as well as a couple of Tudors. The prices have soared so I think my buying days are curtailed for now.
@toddpacker7058
@toddpacker7058 2 жыл бұрын
As an older millennial who did really well picking up cheap real estate after the 08 crash, and still young enough to enjoy my wealth and bought steel sport Rolex’s pre-2017, I approve this message.
@LabofmusicRecords
@LabofmusicRecords 2 жыл бұрын
for me the perfect sice is 41 - 43mm, so that's my sice. And yes, I have a Speedy with 44mm and it's my fav watch ;-)
@larsf.4756
@larsf.4756 2 жыл бұрын
As far as Seiko are concerned, I do agree with Teddy. You can still pick up SNK models on the secondary market that have to be sold below cost. This cannot continue forever. The new Seiko 5s are pricier, but you can get a very robust and moddable (if that is word) watch at around $300, and I personally haven't had a problem with their QC. What I think is trickier is the push into the medium price range. The Alpinist versions have a slightly upgraded movement, but are in a price category where you can also get excellent Swiss watches. I can see Seikos value proposition in the low end of the market, for their divers in general, and what they are doing with Grand Seiko. It's the upper end of the Prospex line that has me wondering a little bit.
@JanPBtest
@JanPBtest Жыл бұрын
My main gripe with their latest Spring Drive models is that, for reasons unexplained, they chose to make the mechanism FAPP invisible, hidden behind a big metal plate. It looks just like a regular quartz watch now. Makes no sense. The previous versions were much better looking.
@spacet1me
@spacet1me 2 жыл бұрын
Seiko quality went down the drain once they got all the hype from every corner of the Internet
@iv8976
@iv8976 2 жыл бұрын
The Swiss brands should start sponsoring sports events and concerts in USA to reach the young audience
@jameslim2795
@jameslim2795 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh. I don’t think they would as the young audience cannot afford one yet. That’s why Swiss watch (eg. Rolex) only sponsor events which have an older audience (eg. f1, Tennis, golf) which might have a higher chance of affording one
@iv8976
@iv8976 2 жыл бұрын
@@jameslim2795 good point!
@AlvinDema
@AlvinDema 2 жыл бұрын
im 18 (born 2003). got into watches when i was 16 and bought my first luxury watch in october this year (an omega seamaster diver 300m) and it’s my most emotionally valuable thing ever. i love that watch. one day i wish to either own a nice collection or even have my own boutique some day and i’m trying my best to show the people my age what’s so amazing about watches. the design. the heritage. the craftsmanship. everything. but sadly they all say “u have a phone to check the time” “why would u buy a 6k dollar watch JUST to check the time”. that just makes me sad
@ChromeMan04
@ChromeMan04 2 жыл бұрын
How does an 18 year old afford an Omega?
@Josh-hr5mc
@Josh-hr5mc 2 жыл бұрын
I think people get to caught up in watch diameter when lug to lug length and the shape of the wrist matter more on the look. You can have a flat wide wrist that will hold a 41-43mm much better than a bigger more of a circle shaped wrist. The concept of Grand Seiko making a name change makes since to me. This was a perfect strategy for Ford to Mercury to Lincoln for decades.
@martintanz9098
@martintanz9098 2 жыл бұрын
I agree that wrist shape matters and some watches wear better on some wrist shapes than others. That said, watch diameter still maters. A 47 mm watch still looks like a dinner plate on most wrists even if the lugs are relatively short.
@georgesebastian9061
@georgesebastian9061 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the take about zoomers not being into watches because of technology. Sadly it's true, there are more people into Apple watches than a regular watch, but there is still a market. I was born in 2001 and there are people around me who wear analog watches and who dream about owning a rolex one day. I was saving up to get an apple watch as well until I came across this channel about 2 months ago and now I changed that goal to a Tudor Black Bay. There is still hope!
@maxpower7086
@maxpower7086 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely...I have a 15 year old son who wants a Vostok Kommandirskie for Xmas. He loves the Cyrillic backplate and the idea of a Russian military watch but he is virtually unique among his peers in wearing a timepiece. He feels it differentiates him from the crowd. So yes there is still hope.
@georgesebastian9061
@georgesebastian9061 2 жыл бұрын
@@maxpower7086 congrats to you for raising a kid who wants to stand out and be unique, he is going places with that attitude. And about that Vostok, immaculate taste! Hope he is going to get it.
@ShawnKim111
@ShawnKim111 2 жыл бұрын
Haha some of these opinions are killing me. Thanks for this content Teddy, I'm very impressed at how you're able to stay cool headed reading some of these lol
@patrickthorssen1
@patrickthorssen1 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned one size doesn't fit all, i tried a 40mm on and it looked like a women's watch on my wrist. 46-50mm is what fits best for me. Enjoy all your videos, it's given me a better perspective on many brands of watches I've wanted to or have already bought, thanks!
@michaelhargis7036
@michaelhargis7036 2 жыл бұрын
I'm on the fence about overrated when it comes to Christopher Ward. I've been eyeing out the C.W. C-63 for a while now. Would love to hear feed back about Christopher Ward's line of watches.
@Halomax
@Halomax 2 жыл бұрын
Man, the silver snoopy edition is so cool especially with the history behind it and after you've seen the backside, how on earth can someone say, that's ugly and not worth its money??? Furthermore, as mentioned, that's a "special edition", not for everyone! Isn't that the thing about "special editions", that they are SPECIAL?
@jamesyoo4779
@jamesyoo4779 2 жыл бұрын
Some people are just uptight like that, and think that "cartoons characters on a serious watch! That's a travesty!" They don't fully appreciate the Silver Snoopy award and the NASA connection and the decision that Omega made to commemorate that because I think they are the only civilian contractor to win the award(?) Apparently, ADs simply didn't want them because they thought none of their clientele would be interested in it, which explains the absurd prices we see today.
@jdstarek
@jdstarek 2 жыл бұрын
That first comment is fairly broad…but I 80% agree. Zenith makes a lot of great pieces and has great history. I find it funny that people blast Zenith for “copying” the Daytona…when they co-invented it. Daytona wouldn’t exist without Zenith.
@jimlittle5769
@jimlittle5769 2 жыл бұрын
I have completely gone away from case size and focus more on lug to lug. I don't want a watch going over the edges of my wrist, so I stick to lug to lug 50 and below.
@bobj8877
@bobj8877 2 жыл бұрын
Good video teddy. I of course love watch reviews, but it is always nice to see more content outside of reviewing a specific watch. You are providing variety much more so than other creators. Keep it up!
@brianmsahin
@brianmsahin 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. I think Seiko needs to get back to basics on the quality control. I do buy the divers but never online as I want to see the alignment before buying so use a local AD in Istanbul, where we do get Made in Japan watches. I do have a GS but on a leather strap. I do think when it comes to attention to detail on the watch itself, Rolexes automated production lines churning out a million watches a year cannot match the hand made craftsmanship of the Grand Seiko.
@instugiram
@instugiram 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Brian, did you say local AD in Istanbul? Where if you dont mind telling ? Thanks
@brianmsahin
@brianmsahin 2 жыл бұрын
@@instugiram Hello my friend. Sorry for such a delay, I've just seen the post. There are quite a few authorised sellers. Konyalı saat, Fatih, Galataport and Üsküdar. There is also another dealer in Eminönü, Vanlilar Saat, who often have very good prices. Sorry again for the delay.🙏
@instugiram
@instugiram 2 жыл бұрын
@@brianmsahin No problem thanks 🙏
@KMartineauMuisc
@KMartineauMuisc 2 жыл бұрын
As a Grand Seiko owner, I agree with rebranding it. I was a snob about GS until I handled one and immediately bought it.
@Daniel-dj7fh
@Daniel-dj7fh 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had the spare for a Seiko Prospect, heck even a Seiko5 lmao
@alemspreco
@alemspreco 2 жыл бұрын
does anyone also feel this way? For me a display caseback is really a high priority.... even if its a simple non decorated movement like with my seiko snk795 (first mechanial/automatic watch). To this day after 7 years of owning it i still love seeing the movement and its charm everytime i put on and take it off at the end of the day. A watch could be a 10/10 in looks/size/price etc but if its not a display caseback im just turned of by it, i might still buy that watch and enjoy it but deep down i would love it that much more if it had an display caseback.
@Someothername2134
@Someothername2134 2 жыл бұрын
Great response to the last question. Microbrands are a great example of innovative design (not really watchmaking though) that I think people support well. One reason I bought the new 38 mm Giorgio Galli Timex is that I want to encourage them to keep doing this. Maybe it isn’t the perfect watch, but it is a great step for them and i want their marketing dept to say “ yeah let’s do more of this”
@watchfan6180
@watchfan6180 2 жыл бұрын
What is unforgivable regarding Seiko. Even past £1,000 some models have no sapphire glass. Even worse I am sure you are aware of the tech spec regarding timekeeping. I don’t care if most people say they run to time. When a manufacturer claims 25sec per day of worse, you get a bad one, they say in spec.
@zillsburyy1
@zillsburyy1 2 жыл бұрын
rolex watches are made by robots and seiko are the kings of mediocrity
@craigeddy554
@craigeddy554 2 жыл бұрын
So many brands and will never achieve 100% satisfaction from the consumers. Staying true to brand, people will come in and out. Love the showcasing. I am seeing brands I never would have considered so I love seeing these.
@skeggjoldgunnr3167
@skeggjoldgunnr3167 Жыл бұрын
About the Grand Seiko name. I bought my ~$750 price point Seiko because I found out that all lesser watches could not stand up to the harsh abuses of my trade; daily wear as an iron worker + welder + electrician + engineer - crane, drag line - mining equipment mechanic. I have beat this watch to HELL. And it TOOK it now for about 25 years so far - and STILL ticking. Trust me, supposedly better watches costing over $5,000 have lost hands or just died or lost their crowns or got a chipped sapphire bezel edge and filled with condensation and corroded to a stop all within a year or so of service on my wrist. I've worked in 70 degree below zero F blast freezers to well over 170 degrees F steel mill and foundry environments, welding in extremely caustic atmospheres, sweating on ammonium nitrate dust all over my helmet lens assembly - having a speedglas automatic welding helmet fail: the manufacturer was really interested in getting my failed helmet into the hands of their team of engineers, they sent me a new one before I returned my dead one. Same, with my Fluke digital multimeter. I melted it and dropped it over 100 feet off of a crane and it still worked. One day some high voltage DC broke it after it had been rescued from a gear box full of oil and they wanted the same deal - it was already over 20 years of hellish abuse...but they wanted to set their bar HIGHER than my abuse. The whole time: My Seiko ticked. It still does. The Seiko name does not need the word "Grand" before it. My watch may be the bottom of entry level viable options in a watch...but this name commands, all on it's own merits over HERE!
@calypso22
@calypso22 2 жыл бұрын
All I can say about Rolex is that I purchased a Datejust champagne dial in 1981 in Geneva and have only serviced it twice in 40 years (last service was over 20 years ago). It still runs perfectly at plus 2 seconds a day.
@cjmq1970
@cjmq1970 2 жыл бұрын
I would never buy a Rolex, I would receive it as a gift from a close friend or relative. But if it were a seniority recognition from the company I work, I would likely trade it or sell it. In the other hand, if I had the resources, I would definitely buy a Grand Seiko, the chronograph of course.
@SwishTalk
@SwishTalk 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I'm growing in knowledge of watches with your videos. The video that you made reacting to all the "luxury" watch brand ads was so awesome and funny, you should do another one like that :)
@MrFloRolf
@MrFloRolf 2 жыл бұрын
I am actually often very surprised when I see people my age (mid 20s) rocking analog watches. Usually they are fashion watches but still, they live on.
@brunol-p_g8800
@brunol-p_g8800 2 жыл бұрын
To answer Teddy that said “60% of the manufacturing and manufacturing costs” and the person that said you can source every thing from other countries and assemble it in Switzerland, the answer is NO. I don’t know where you get your information, but I get mine from the Swiss government and the Federation of the Swiss watch industry. EVERY SWISS WATCH BRAND manufactures 100% of the watch, so all it’s components, in Switzerland. Only other countries, such as the USA, can source every thing from other countries, assemble it in their countries or another country (not in Switzerland, it is illegal and there isn’t multi brands assembly places like he said) and say it’s Swiss made as long as the watch holds a Swiss movement according to their own laws, for example in the USA. For the Swiss Made denomination in watches (as well as other geographical names like Geneva), according to the new Swiss federal ordinance that came in effect in January 2017 to reinforce previous regulations, the watch (and all its components) must be fabricated in Switzerland and integrate at the very minimum 60% of Swiss value, meaning that you can source RAW materials that can’t be found in Switzerland from other countries, such as aluminium oxyde powders, titanium or diamonds for example, but it doesn’t mean that you can source things such as a case, bracelet or hands from another country, EVERY THING must be fabricated in Switzerland, precedent requirements such as incorporating a Swiss movement, casing-up and final inspection in Switzerland are maintained. Then in USA or Hong-Kong, the criteria to define a watch’s origine are much less strict than in Switzerland, in those countries it’s the country where the movement has been assembled that defines the country of origine of a watch. It is the reason why the Swiss FH (Federation Horlogère) intervenes around the globe to defend the Swiss and Swiss Made indications. The FH takes actions against abusive use of those indications as well as trademark registrations incorporating Swiss indications that could be problematic. The FH holds, since 2006, the Swiss trademark in Hong Kong and the Swiss and Swiss Made trademarks in the USA. Source: www.fhs.swiss/eng/swissmade.html# #teddybaldassarre
@leemacdonald6533
@leemacdonald6533 2 жыл бұрын
Rolex is the most over-rated watch producer. Mass produced and over priced, great PR but that's it.
@humblewiz4953
@humblewiz4953 2 жыл бұрын
If they produce 1 million pieces a year 2 million are on waiting list...
@leemacdonald6533
@leemacdonald6533 2 жыл бұрын
@@humblewiz4953 You only need to go online and you can find 1,000's of any rolex models you want. Last year rolex produced over 800,000 watches, omega - 500,000, breitling - 150,000, IWC - 70,000, Grand Seiko - 35,000, zenith - 21,000
@ChromeMan04
@ChromeMan04 2 жыл бұрын
The only reason people like the watch; price and name
@lukespector5550
@lukespector5550 Жыл бұрын
"Wear what you dig"........... * Don Cheadle ("Boogie Nights").
@chelious1973
@chelious1973 2 жыл бұрын
Their is no "perfect" watch size, you buy the watch that fits you.
@cutipustotallus307
@cutipustotallus307 2 жыл бұрын
Before I got into horology and didn't know my wrist size, I was scared to try/ buy my first luxury watch that was over 40mm ( I am a your typical athletic guy who likes to stay fit at 195 and 6'1. nothing special). I almost didn't buy my dream speedy since it was 42 mm. After trying it though, I realized it fit me perfectly!! I got a 43 Bulova for my birthday and it fit me even better!!! Tried a 38 mm and it looks like a ladies watch on my wrist ( 7.1 inches) I guess I won the wrist size lottery! :/
@Furniture121
@Furniture121 2 жыл бұрын
Watches are subjective, I have a 7" wrist and find anything larger than 42mm diameter, and 48mm lug-lug too big. I love my 38-39mm watches, and wonder why anyone wants to wear a saucer on their wrist... 🤣
@cutipustotallus307
@cutipustotallus307 2 жыл бұрын
@@Furniture121 I agree! :).. My thinking comes from the fact that if my fiance can wear my watches and look good in it, maybe its time to hand it over to her and go buy me an exclusive watch.....or a new fiance! :P
@ARMWRESTLINGCYCLINGFRANCE
@ARMWRESTLINGCYCLINGFRANCE 2 жыл бұрын
20.5cm/8.07 wrist here. Thought I was a 40mm guy and happy with my Daytona, until I tried on my Royal Oak offshore 42mm. Now, every time I wear my Daytonas, they irritate me that they arent at least 41mm.
@MN-de
@MN-de 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Teddy, i just want to inform you there are a couple of „Fortis“ Ad‘s in the media rotation (played on almost every watch related and monetized video) wich are so highly annoying and presented arrogantly that i am unable to watch your videos any longer when they appear. which is sad because i like your contents, but these Fortis Ads are overwhelmingly bad
@TeddyBaldassarre
@TeddyBaldassarre 2 жыл бұрын
I have no control over what ads appear on the channel, that is up to KZfaq. Thanks for watching though.
@simonyu8838
@simonyu8838 2 жыл бұрын
Re: Grand Seiko's name - The idea that a brand can only exist in one segment of the market feels like an American specific quirk not shared globally. Case in point, arguably the most luxurious car out there is the Toyota Century: It comes with lace curtains, wool seats (to make for a quieter ride than leather), recliner functions for the passenger seats, and controls for the entertainment system from the back because this is a car specifically designed for wealthy businessmen to be chauffeured in, not for the owner to drive it. While Toyota did introduce the Lexus brand to Japan eventually, the Century is still placed above all the Lexus models in the market. While Grand Seiko could rebrand to sell better in the West, it feels like they'd be pandering to non-Japanese if they did. Re: Case sizes- I have a slightly smaller wrist than yours but I mostly wear stuff over that 36-39 mm sweet spot. I know it may not be as proportional than that sweet spot, but I'm a dial fiend (a GS SBGH 269 is my most commonly worn watch) and want as much dial as I can get away with.
@kelechinobi3085
@kelechinobi3085 2 жыл бұрын
This is a point I’ve made several times. People say Seiko doesn’t know where their market position is because their prices range from £200 to £5k. This is a western viewpoint where markets are split into price segments so you have Volkswagen group with different brands in each price group ... and Swatch group. I personally love the idea that I have Seiko watches ranging in price from £70 to £3k. My kids wear Seiko. There is no artificial branding “apartheid” in the Seiko world. I love that.
@mdesmet9111
@mdesmet9111 2 жыл бұрын
@@kelechinobi3085 It might very well be a western viewpoint, but if you want to be successful in the western market, you might wanna adapt to it. If I want to launch a successful product on the Japanese market, I don't tell all the Japanese people to adapt to my western product, but I adapt my product to the intended market...
@mdesmet9111
@mdesmet9111 2 жыл бұрын
Perfect example that shows how much cultures can differ; here in Europe the only people who are driven around in cars with lace curtains, are dead people... (seriously). Personally, I find the overall GS designs to be a little unbalanced. Things like the power reserve indicator, or the big printing on the see through case back, really put me off. And I find it unacceptable for a luxury watch to have a mediocre bracelet and/or clasp. But perhaps that's just because I'm European...
@legarockefeller
@legarockefeller 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding Video Teddy. Very informative Keep it up !
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