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I think for some vegan will work if dairy is your issue, it's a common allergen. But if you're also sensitive to gluten, then vegan isn't going to do it unless you know that and cut it out too. I think that's why so many have success with carnivore because you can more easily feel full but it seems to give the gut a rest and reset. Fibre can be problem for some. Hopefully they can add back plants after a time to heal. Sugar and metabolic disease is often fuelling health issues and vegan doesn't cut sugar. I think the beef salt one is just the simplest and so getting success. It's zero FODMAP too. For anyone suffering, I hope you find the best path for you. Hopefully it's the one that doesn't cause animal suffering, but if it is then hopefully it's something you only need short term. 20 years ago a vegan friend resolved a severe intestinal issue they developed with a special diet that included meat and excluded many plants, fortunately, he didn't have to stick to the diet long-term, but it did work. I didn't understand it at the time, but it makes sense to me now. The doctors wanted to put him on medication and said it would be for life, it almost broke up his relationship because he didn't want to have children because the long-term health outlook was poor. He's got two gorgeous healthy kids now. I'd definitely try any diet!

I really sympathise with her. It's hard enough trying to work out which foods work for us just for things like satiety and energy, but she really went through hell and the business of trying to work out which foods were causing it, on top of the basic suffering, sounds excruciating.

yeah, I’ve known people allergic to nearly everything and I would go to great extremes of every diet just to find a cure. : ( Her face looked like an allergic mouth breathing phenotype from her earlier days, so I suspect she’s had some cosmetic work done to look more healthy.

@@bee_bee3 this is ridiculous. You can certainly have a vegan diet within safe parameters. You don't need meat to cure anything at all. The best medicine in the form of food, is whole food, plant based food. Meat is harmful to the body, it increases your mortality rate. Saturated fat is not good for the human body.

Proof there’s a lot of suckers out there

Damn, I feel dumb that this didn't occur to me immediately... lol. So fucking sad

It's expensive because it's meant for dumb people.

@@vietnamd0820 Cruel ones at that.🌱

Oh, but its ”science”. 😂

HI. Could you please repost this ? Was this really taken down?

@@xtina3950 Why bother. Will just be taken down again. No studies will ever be done and no large scale data collection will occur because of the dominance of the agricultural companies. The only solution is to wait two generations till it becomes indisputable that Carnivore is the optimal way of eating as they all live much longer lives and avoid all the auto immune diseases that are plaguing the Western World due to plant based toxins. We took a wrong turn with the Agricultural Revolution and the king has no clothes on is preventing the scientific community from acknowledging the horrible place the modern plant based diets have brought us to.

@@alpinecalm5502 if 7.7 billion humans eat a strict carnivore diet we're going to run out of ressources way before 2 generations... It's also interesting you claim that health issues in the western world are caused by "plant based toxins" when Asian people eat significantly more plants than the average westerner. I'm happy you found a diet that works for you though.

@@pomberry3591 I eat less meat than I did when I was eating a standard diet. I am able to subsist off less calories because my nutrient uptake is much more efficient. There is no way to justify mono cropping as better for humanity than sustainable free range livestock and animal husbandry. Take a field with animals and many species of plants then strip it of all living organisms, douse it with pesticides non stop and plant one, just one, crop on it; soy, wheat: corn whatever with zero bio diversity. How is that possibly better for humanity and the environment? Change your paradigm. Be open to new ideas. Stop the old thinking. The longest lived Asian population is in Hong Kong which has the highest meat intake. Check it out.

@@alpinecalm5502 source for your Hong Kong stats? The longest living Asian population I found is the Okinawans and they eat very little animal products. Besides, your original comment wasn't about longivity, it was about autoimmune disease which are more common in the west than in Asia. I am also absolutely not advocating for monocrop agriculture, the vast majority of soy we grow at the moment is used for animal feed. As for pasture raised animals, there isn't enough land for that. I'm from Canada, how do you propose we feed cattle half the year when the pastures are frozen over? I'm very open to new ideas, unfortunately unless we shift to lab grown meat I don't see how it is realistically possible to feed all of humanity on a pure carnivore diet.

Most fruits and vegetables have anti-nutrients and trace amounts of toxic compounds that become lethal at high doses, and are damaging when consumed over large periods of time. You need to consider that in the absence of butter, milk or any natural animal fat, most vegan food will almost always contain some form of highly-processed and unnatural vegetable oil(s). Due to the intense nature of refinement (which includes but is not limited to heating the oil to extreme temperatures), the oils become highly unbalanced with their fatty acids profile (namely, a very high amount of omega-6) and this throws the omega 6: omega 3 ratios in our bodies completely out of whack. Trace amounts on an infrequent basis would not harm most people and our bodies could process it, but this toxic oil is EVERYWHERE. Seriously, look it up next time you're at a supermarket. When consumed even in small amounts over a long period of time, it results in a myriad of ailments such as obesity, T2DM, hypertension, heart disease (which was virtually unknown in a time when humans exclusively ate animal fat/protein), depression and a plethora of auto-immune conditions. The literature does not lie - the increase in metabolic diseases directly co-incides with the advent of refined vegetable oil and the rise in popularity of high carb/low fat diets. Refined vegetable oils and high carb/low fat foods are synonymous with vegan diets. The reality is this - vegans calling the stories about a carnivore diet, or even low-carb omnivore diet for that matter, "anecdotal nonsense" is no more nonsense than hearing vegans talk about how their diet is the optimal human diet. Why do you think so many long-term vegans return to including animal protein in their diets?

you misunderstand me in your zeal@@DV-zv4ox

@@DV-zv4ox first. WFPB does not include highly refined oil. It does not include pre prepared meals where plant oils have been over heated. Many foods in a typical omnivore diet do. Second. Refined sugar, red meat and dairy strips away your guts ability to slow down absorption. That is why most vegans do not have diabetes and don’t have problems with carbohydrates. The fibre is part of our natural defences. Third. A complex diet builds up a complex biome. Many of these so called toxic plant chemicals are needed in small amounts. We have gut bacteria that convert many of them into important chemicals that our immune system needs. One of those chemicals we need protects our gut from colon cancer. That is one of several reasons red meat eaters are highly prone to colorectal cancer. Fourth. There are many examples of a wide variety of nutrients being required for good health. Two examples. Arsenic deficiency is a recognised illness, we do get the traces we need in a varied diet. Seed eating birds are often seen eating small amounts of lichen, birds have learnt that tiny amounts of chemicals in the lichen keeps their gut healthy, some of those chemicals are toxic in large amounts. Fifth. Many illnesses triggered by lack of fibre, photochemical sand other plant derived nutrients do not show up for years. Good luck to the meat, salt and water eaters. The stink in the bathroom must be awful. Cardiovascular disease may be slow to develop, but it can come on very suddenly, high LDL is like falling of a tall building, it isn’t the fall that kills you, but the sudden stop at the bottom. But that may not be a worry, your kidneys may stop working first, you are making them work so very very hard.

@@DV-zv4ox Huh? You say that most vegan food will "almost always contain some form of highly-processed and unnatural vegetable oil(s)". On what planet? Neither fruits nor vegetables nor legumes nor nuts nor seeds nor whole grains nor herbs or spices contain any of those. Also, there are quite healthy vegan oils - all of them healthier than any form of animal fat. Obviously you can add too much oil to any dish, and you can overheat any oil (though refined oils are better at withstanding higher temps). Heck, a lot of people fry their steaks in such oils. If you don't get enough omega-3 then you're in luck: there are good and cheap vegan sources of omega-3. You keep on saying that toxic oils is everywhere. It's in none of the foods listed above. Also, where is the evidence for the toxicity? I've cooked/fried with a quality refined rapeseed oil for decades and I'm neither obese nor do I suffer from chronic inflammation or any other of the diseases you listed. Same goes for the rest of my family and my parents. Such oils do not contain trans fats and do not turn into toxic substances when used in normal cooking. You keep on mentioning studies, but what the studies show is that when you replace saturated animal fat with good unsaturated vegan fats the health issues go down, not up. You say that "the literature does not lie - the increase in metabolic diseases directly co-incides with the advent of refined vegetable oil". You mean just like the demise of pirates coincides with global warming? A number of things coincide with the increase in metabolic disease. Yeah, the literature does not lie: there is no demonstrated causal relationship. If anything I'd guess that the increase of metabolic disease is caused by the food industry replacing foods with ultra-palatable, ultra-processed edible substances. It doesn't even seem to matter whether those are low carb, high carb, low sugar, high sugar, low fat/oil or high fat/oil. The lack of nutrients, density of calories and addictive features cause people to overeat tons of calories. And there's also the convenience of these edible products. That's why nowadays the average American gets the vast majority of his/her calories from such crap instead of actual food. I've never heard that refined vegetables oils are synonymous with vegan diets. Meat eaters, on average, eat lots of vegetable oils and have high omega-3 to 6 imbalance. Now I'm not a vegan, but you should educate yourself some more by actually doing research in science journals and not by watching pre-filtered, biased YT videos that an algorithm spit out because it's in your bubble. Why do many vegans return to eating meat? Well, science says none of the reasons you listed. Among the main reasons are social stigma and pressures, which over the years can become overwhelming. For those growing up, in a lot of families it is virtually impossible to even go vegan consistently. Heck, even total strangers give vegans a strange look as if they were lepers. A lot of people are useful idiots to the meat industry.

​@@DV-zv4oxeh, nobody is forcing yoh consume vegan junk food or oils.....

Exactly. Most of the comments here are basically, "How she resolved her crippling health issues is utter BS. She should have gone vegan." I am carnivore, but if someone resolves their health issues going vegan, great. If someone resolves their health issues going carnivore, great. People who reject all other alternative diets that actually help people heal except their own come off as religious fanatics.

I was a vegetarian 15yrs vegan-2yrs. All whole food, no junk or processed. 5 years ago my body was in decline. I was in my 60’s, tired, gaining weight and always hungry. I did a 180 with a keto lifestyle and sometimes today I only eat meat and eggs. I feel much better and lost the 15 lbs. Personally, i feel the body responds well to radical change. Diet is not a religion. Don’t become overly dogmatic .. Experiment. Switch it up. Don’t eat processed food and keep your mind OPEN!

@@johnow7 this is well said

I have also not found it anywhere. Even checked the way back machine. As this information is at the beginning of the video, it makes me doubt everything author is saying. Seems a bit bias against her...

@@Weweraq If a content creator starts with a particular bias you can expect them to be heavily invested in guarding their narrative and in this case stating there is a $600 cost for a non-existent diet plan fits the requirement. On the other hand, other content creators guarding their chosen narrative suffer from data bias too so a balanced view would require us to accept that as a given and govern ourselves accordingly. In the end it comes down to try it and see, Should the world go to hell in a handbasket and our species is pushed to survive, the carnivores will out-survive the vegans because they can eat everything the vegans can and if push comes to shove they can eat the vegans.

She used to have some kind of 600 dollar diet/ carnivore consulting thing. I'm assuming she got rid of it because of backlash. But it did exist you can find it online

It’s against my religion to not put peanut butter on my oats..

Second second! You just described my favorite, most common daily meal nearly to a "T". Dates, figs, goji berries, pepitas, turmeric, and other spices are also guilty accomplices.

Good! More nutrient dense foods for the rest of us.

Yessir! With a pinch of cinnamon!

i will forget the peanut butter scoop thx and take whole seeds :P

Would love to see Vegan content from you. X

@@vegangames3468 what do you mean? All the products she promotes/talks about are cruelty free and vegan

@@cmntr_ she’s needs to talk about the ethics of Veganism. Not just products that are Vegan.

@@vegangames3468 go beyond the occasional "no animals were harmed for this product"? I think it's cool that she talks about things being vegan & cruelty free all the time, it's a kind yet nudging reminder. Not to say ethics isn't her area of expertise, but I think her strengths lie in dermatology and skincare. For ethical content I go to cosmic skeptic, ed winters and the likes. Maybe she could do an introductory video on animal testing and ways to identify cruelty free and vegan products. After all, many turn to her and all the derms on youtube because they are the experts on all things dermatology/skincare and finding out which issues they have and what products and habits work for them can be overwhelming all on its own.

@@cmntr_ ✌🏾

Good stuff

You seem open minded and I respect this but I have to advise you your diet is unsustainable

@@SansPeine I agree which is why I said above that “it’s not something I plan to do in the long term.” But it has helped me loose weight and fix my food addiction in the short term.

@@campfirebrews3576 a study of Oxford Martin School proved we could produce only 7 to 18 grams of meat per day for each person if we used regenerative farming and we all followed a carnivorous diet. Consider also the population is increasing and all the need of water and shelter for cows. Plus the emission of co2 and methane

@@SansPeine Meat consumption and the animal food agriculture is killing our planet Second, animal food, especially red meat, is harmful to our bodies Saturated fat is harmful to our bodies Animal food will increase our cholesterol The healthier diet is by far a plant based WHOLE FOOD diet. We don't need animal food for anything but to kill the planet and ourselves

My relatives are all overweight and sick with chronic diseases- high cholesterol, diabetes, arthritis, gout, angina etc. Same genes and everything is ok except hypothyroid from 50 years of meat and dairy. But I am just an anecdote

Oh that sounds cool. For once I reached Remission for 15 months. But I overthrew it with my stressful life XD. How to you think the vegan diet works stopping MS?

@@omarkul5320 Any damage done is already done and can't be reversed. But a no oil vegan diet can put MS into remission. Dr Swank successfully helped MS patients but you have to keep saturated fat very low. I think it's 10 g a day, and a little sat fat is in plant foods like nuts, avocadoes, so it really means avoid free oil and limit high fat plant foods. No processed food. Look up Dr John McDougall success stories, there is a woman who talks about her MS

@@ErikaTi wtf is Matt Monarch? Clearly an idiot if he is blaming gods in the sky. Go pray to the gods for your salvation

​@@ErikaTi ​ Why? Well, I looked him up and he had colitis, which can be caused by infections. OP mentioned colon cancer and we know the risk of colon cancer is increased by red meat and other processed animal products. He’s aslo a Raw foodist and many of them are absolute whack jobs, following a woo woo diet. Heard of the ones doing urine therapy or garlic or turpentine enemas etc? Like that Tristan dude? Yeah, these people are often the ones you find among the “ex-vegans”. But vegans are not immune to disease, but it can reverse, protect and reduce the risk of certain diseases.

That’s what happens when you feel threatened. Ya gotta make it personal.

You are such a whiny little bish. He didn't take a shot at the buffoon. He mentioned the truth that he wasn't cured of anxiety as she claimed he was.

He could've also mentioned his wife's cancer returning and very aggressively could've had something to do with Peterson going on Benzos.

@StavroGavro I mean he’s not lying about a vegan diet being better and you don’t need to spend $600 to get it. I think you are just spreading false information now. I was simple talking about how he is going after Jordan.

@@bt7856 going after Jordan is definitely punching up Im ok with that: the man is toxic

Veganism cured my ethical arthritis

@@blackcatcaptions3076 🤣🤣🤣

@@blackcatcaptions3076 thank you

And your anecdote is more valid than Mikhaila's? Because Mic just spent 20min telling us how anecdotes are worthless.

@@notyourdad But there are valid studies that confirm the anecdote.

was he obese and inactive? people who are a healthy weight and exercise can eat meat and dairy and die at an old age

27otherside27 You are playing the same blame game vegans are spouting around. I am sure your friend's diet is the standard american diet. What is SAD? It is a diet which contains lots of junk foods. What are these junk foods? Some are processed meats like sausages, hams, or corned beef but most of it are from plants which include vegetable oil, sugar, alcohol, bread, pasta, cookies, candies, chips, breakfast cereals, coca cola, etc. Atherosclerosis risk factor is not only from diet but it can be from smoke inhalation, fibrin, and cell deterioration and calcium deposits.

@@dartfather Most of the "plant based foods" you listed are loaded with animal products. And I've never met a vegan who thinks drinking soda is a good idea.

@@IridescentW Nope! Junkfoods are mostly plants either by weight or by calories. Go to mcdonald or pizzahut website and use their nutrition calculator. About 80% of the calories are from plants. Vegans might not drink coke but when a person gets sick, they blame it ONLY on meat even when that person was drinking cocacola or eating chips a lot. Read the original poster, he is blaming only meat for his friend's death.

@@dartfather Where is that on their website? What do I click on that specifies whether calories are coming from plants or animals? Because if you're looking at ingredient order and overall calories then just speculating... idk how you could ever take your conclusion seriously. Mcdonalds and pizza hut are serving mostly plant based foods? In what country? It's like saying Birdseye is mostly selling animals in their bags of frozen peas. It's just not in line with reality. No one talking about veganism and health is saying you should drink soda. There's a reason it's wfpb and not "ultra processed plant based." Like I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from that people saying they eat whole foods are advocating for junk food.

This is currently me, though I'd never go back to SAD... Now I need to find recipes for all the stuff in the fridge though cause just tossing it seems equally disrespectful though

Good comment. I tried the carnivore diet and got brain fog (never had it in my entire life), low libido, depression and constipation. I'm not saying it won't work for many people, but it didn't work for me. The other point is that a LOT of praise for the carnivore diet is from people who needed to lose weight, and/or were suffering from one autoimmune disease or another. I am not overweight, and I have no autoimmune issues. I was just feeling a bit tired and rundown, and thought I'd try the carnivore diet to see if it gave me more energy. It turns out that I had an endocrine issue (after a lot of investigation), and I'm feeling way better on my "normal" wholefood diet (with carbs), but with particular supplements added to help balance my hormones (boron being a key supplement that really helped me). We are all different, at particular stages of our life too. I respect anyone who is willing to investigate their own health status to a point they find something that works for them - whatever it may be.

​@@futureofmoney3527that's interesting you ate a carnivore diet and got depression. Seems mentally and physically unhealthy to eat that much meat with no carbs. It's hard to use those carbs for general living.

@@A_D624 One part of the equation few talk about is how active they are. I've been active my entire life. My digestion system on carnivore (after 2 whole months before I gave up) really slowed down. I felt that my body wasn't converting food to energy (ATP) very well, resulting in the lethargy and depression. The other less-talked-about issue is our endocrine system. A typical diet is missing minerals like boron and even taurine (yes, even carnivores will probably not get enough taurine). People who promote carnivore tend to not realise they are simply eating an elimination diet with high satiation. If their previous diet included an intolerance to one or more foods, they may have developed an auto-immune issue that clears up after they eliminate the food they are intolerant to. The high satiation and simplicity of an all-meat diet means a lot of overweight people many lose that extra weight quite easily. However, it's not one-size-fits-all, and it irks me when people are so dogmatic about carnivore - as if we should all be on it. No. We should be on the most optimal diet for our body, our current health status etc.

Thanks for the response, very insightful @@futureofmoney3527

Ha as is meat isn't corporate. Thanks, I'll check it out.

@@MictheVegan that whole crowd has a boner for the old McDonald had a farm type of meat as if even the most local farmer isn’t involved in some sort of Union or special interest group

@@sanz7820 I wasn't talking about physical appearance, I think she's pretty good looking, but her voice and facial mannerisms do not look or sound like a happy person, no smiles no laughter or brightness AT ALL

@@ejRecording The main reason of her suffering is believing in Christianity non sense and this religion have detrimental effects to the individual well being

@@sanz7820 In many instances it is true and I totally agree with you being from an islamic background some people would not know simple basics of morality and human decency and there are people like her who are smarter than your average joe religion would be a hindrance for their sense of fulfillment and happiness and sorry for my long reply and thanks for your patience with me

@@sanz7820 a faith that labels you as a sinner just for being born and being destined for hell is a good reason to be depressed.

@@ejRecording She did laugh a little when she said her family is crazy.

That's not listed in their terms and conditions. If she was not happy with the terms, she did not need to choose to participate in the talk.

@@nolow_life It doesn't matter if it's not in the terms. For the sake of respect and transparency, for the talker and the audience, they absolutely should.

@@amanda2324 that's not how life works especially when we're talking about legal contracts. It doesn't matter what you feel that you deserve. Terms of contracts don't care about what you feel like you deserve. Nobody forced her to sign that contract so I'm not sure why she feels she deserves treatment above and beyond what was already agreed to. She has every right to be upset about it, but we don't need to make this huge thing about something she's already agreed to.

How about massive anecdotal bias? Complete lack of any actual factual data? Framing a story as having some objective truth to it? There are plenty of Ted talks that have neither fact nor evidence I them, but exist only to show the philosophical beauty in an idea. This wasn't one of them. This tried to portray itself as something it wasn't.

@@DeclanDG right? Also, I know this isn't your point but can you imagine someone got up on stage for a TED talk and described how they cured all sorts of their symptoms by eating human or dog flesh? And then started encouraging others to do so if they felt the same symptoms as them

Really?

So "all beef, all lamb, all poop."

@@MictheVegan She had to stop the beef because of autoimmune issues, so just lamb now. Her father said it on Joe Rogan. The recent (3 weeks ago?) 7:30 clip about the carnivore diet, at about the 5:30 mark.

@rambunctiousvegetable Clostridioides difficile, a bacterial infection that occurs in the colon.

If you are having weight problems, it's because you're consuming too many calories. It's easy to do, but diet doesn't matter. You can lose weight on any type of diet if you are consuming fewer calories. Best advice is to get a food scale and weigh your food to determine how any calories you eat in a day (for a week to get a good average) and reduce by a 100 calories or so at a time each month. Can be irritating, though, and takes some time to get used to, just don't take it to extreme. Some people, once they realize they have been eating 2200 calories, will then drop down to 1800 or lower. This is bad. Yes, you'll loose weight quicker but then you'll platoo on a weight and have to reduce calories again to see a result and that could lead to binge eating and gaining all weight back or yoyo dieting.

U need to reduce ur carbs and sugar to get insulin down to lose weight and not count your calories. As long as ur insulin is up from all the carbs and sugar, you won't lose weight

Reddit, ah yes .. I was banned from posting and my posts deleted bc I had not accumulated sufficient "karma" to state my opinion. Mind you there was no foul language, just my thoughts which ran contrary to the majority of the subs own. Just hilarious! Like being back in grade school.

reddit is one of the worst social media platforms out. So many hateful, sad, weak, losers all in one place. I hate to say losers but really many of these people have given up trying in their lives.

Ok Vegan...

So much of it is botted up to look like ground swell. Notice when he went off the map and hid in drug rehab, all the "Jordan Peterson!!!" internet fervor died down instantly. They pay for self promotions on social media for sure.

This is really mean

I once liked peterson by watching some of his videos, but after I started watching many of them, I realized he's just insecure and just has bad conscience with almost no tolerance to other humans and a super-right nut job. He even liked Trump SMH....

I hate them, I truly do.

@@thunderpooch who else do you hate?

@Trapped In The Meatrix it's truly mind boggling

It's insane

It varies from person to person. For example, if my wife eats too much fiber she has anus tearing, hemorrhoids inducing poops once a week (lovely, isn't it?) On the other hand if she eats no fiber she has small poops daily. One diet does not fit all, whether Vegan or Carnivore.

@@Mario-forall That's probably indication of some health issue, I'd genuinely consider that and seek medical advice. The fibre intake of anicent humans were magnitudes higher than most people today. This isn't just about diet, fibre is an integral part of human biology. just like how everyone requires vitamins, or water. Fibre producers SFCA, which is fuel for immune cells. It's also our primary dietary prebiotic. This is partly why people on keto have poor gut flora. Fibre slowly the absorption of carbs, helping regulate blood sugar. and low levels of fibre has been shown to reduce levels of tryptophan, the precursor to serotonin.

I can't imagine being happy or energized without carbs, especially potatoes and fruit

Ted Talks is in cahoots with Big Broccoli ;-)

There are also dozens of videos about keto and paleo diets in that channel. Also, wether you put vegan, keto or paleo in the YT search bar it can show you videos that don't even agree or fully relate to the thing you wrote. My guess as to why there are more videos about veganism in TEDx is because it includes the moral questions behind it and that naturally brings up more controversy and therefore, more content to talk about.

A number of vegetables are man-made, which I think explains why they are pushed so heavy nowadays. I jumped on the bandwagon because I spend less on food & my shit don't stink. They do make you gain weight just like meat though!

​@@sty723idk what you mean but you can just buy organic

@@jonasrmb01 It ain't all they advertise it to be! Organic veggies are like weed with no additives. You still get "high", just not AS "high"...

Source: just trust me bro

Legit, before i watch the video I thought to myself "no way is this person related to JP, would make way too much sense." Here we are...

I'd love for her to share her real blood tests and physiological exam data with people or medical professionals, and for her to be studied under proper medical conditions so she's not allowed to sneak in meds or multivits.

@@sanz7820 I'm personally okay with Jordan Peterson's philosophy about maturity and discipline. About anything else.... it;s a mixed bag with some surprises.

@@sanz7820 well i dont know of her but Jordan Peterson is a right wing psychologist, who is consistently calling out feminists. He is very smart, which makes him win in a lot of those arguments and his thoughts are valid, but he's nitpicking. Imagine Jordan Peterson would see a vegan that says "all humans who eat animals are murderers" and would argue against this and sell it for the "radical veganist view". He does that for feminism. Also he's just a dick in general. He dosen't have a good personality and he is very unkind

Good stuff mic! Very thorough potential debunk. My first thought was" hormonal fluctuation". And she is not giving any clinical reasons as why that diet would work outside what she has experienced, which could be coincidental or the result of several causes she has not identified.

"re-introduce plant foods after 6 weeks & also one of the steps of the diet is that you stop taking any medications". Didn't work for her, it seems.

I cannot believe she's telling people to stop taking their meds. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen

But “no wheats no sweets” is how I got off medications. So if you increase those 2 things it will make you more reliant on medications which is what a study is meant to find out. If Veganism is so powerful, this should not be a factor.

@@lorenbeaulieu2896 Veganism is not a diet, but there are healthy vegan diets that can be very helpful for sick people. Can be personalized for different problems.

Do people just come up with something crazy and controversial for all the attention and debate it brings putting them center stage?

Maybe "greens" is code for pot or peyote

Probably damaged pancreas so much with fat snd meat that it then becomes difficult to process carbohydrate

That's what I was thinking too.

You will run into problems if that is what you call a stable diet. Soy, gluten, and legumes are not staples of a healthy diet.

@@lorenbeaulieu2896 That's right. All those foods are gut irritants and shouldn't be consumed by humans

@@clampBendersWangdang yep! As well as Canola oil and vegetable oils. I won’t go into anything else as I agree with you right now:)

@@lorenbeaulieu2896 Yep, vegetable oils are basically industrial waste.So much processing goes into making it palatable and not deadly. The rapeseed plant is not even edible to begin with.

Same here. I've been at it for just over 2 years and I wish I had made the change sooner.

Nice anecdote.

Are you still on a plant based diet ?

It doesn't

@@saddamhussein8489 but she said it did

She shouldn't tell this on tedx

The internet in all it's forms, colours, shapes, and sounds is bewildering to me. How did God come up with the intellect that is behind those words? I am pleasantly shocked and I have a mild boner because of your words. Thank you very much him/she them stranger!

Dunno why this poped on my feed but might as well stop in.. What he neglected to talk about in the video if you actually listened to what she said. she started the diet as an elimination diet. then added things back and returned to issues over time. and later on returned to eating meat via elimination. and the diet only works if you eat all parts of the animal. It has been working for her for awhile now. Just like the keto diet was made for people with epilepsy originally. Humans are meant to be omnivores though. cheers

The idiotic thing is you believe him all the studies he used have been proven innaccuratebecause of issues with the diets not being consistent through out most of them.

@@msolace580 😂 no we aren’t

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When she is selling her anecdotal claims that runs counter to actual science for $600 a pop, it is no longer a case of picking on some random person trying to quietly live her life. She is give out information that every bit of high quality science says will harm the health of those who follow her advice. So it is entirely appropriate that her claims be examined and dismissed if found wanting. And since her assertion that others would benefit from an all meat diet are completely based on her own personal disease history and her claims about how going on an all meat diet was the essential factor in her improved health, then it becomes not only fair to explore the veracity of her personal story, but necessary in order to determine if she has a scientific leg to stand on.

@@papparocket , I'll respond in the way I'm often attacked by more liberal thinkers ... "How does what she does affect you?" I don't mind her claims being "examined" and even perhaps "dismissed." I have a problem with Mic's sarcastic zealous tone and I have a problem with what feels like his personal attacks on this woman who has had an extremely tragic disease-filled childhood and has somehow managed to find a diet and quality of life that works for her. Her entire story is anecdotal. She is not selling anything for "$600 a pop" here and never once mentions anything for sale. What she does on the side is her business just like there are other more health-oriented doctors that Dr. Breger dismisses. She is saying things just like if you asked me how I lost weight and I told you what I did, you can either take my experience for what it's worth and use it or you could ignore it. You can't change the veracity of her experience. And if she's encouraging others to try her effort of dealing with her disease by people equally or worse disabled, I haven't a problem with it. Again, whether it's healthy or not, whether it's ethical or moral or not to animals or not, is immaterial to the fact that she tried numerous routes and none worked but her current situation. So, like it or lump it, that's what worked for her and she simply wanted a format to express her experience. "Follow the science" has a nasty habit of changing and we do not know exactly everything about how the human body works, much less each individual's body.

This clown makes me sick- I have auto immune disease. Meneires, Hashimoto’s, arthritis. Since the menopause truck backed over me seven years ago, I have slipped into a deep depression, over 20 pound weight gain, absolutely no focus-terrible brain fog. I’ve tried many commercial diets and have lost 10 pounds over about five weeks, but it’s been absolutely miserable and I gained the way back within three months. I tried this diet 12 days ago. Immediately my focus improved, my brain fog is much better. I’m sleeping better and getting so much more done around my house and at work. I have energy for the first time in years. I’m not depressed anymore, and I have hope. And I lost over 7 pounds. I tried veganism for about three weeks a few years ago and I was freaking miserable. The brain fog was awful and I was freezing cold all the time.

You sound gay. A long comment doesn't mean you made a good point. Mic is far from self inflated.

Thank you. Many people here are really being hypocritical. They're the same kind from the group that shouts "believe all women" and to stop gaslighting us and victim blaming. Yet here is a young woman simply fighting for a life free of pain and noticing significant changes due to her lifestyle choices and this same group is calling her a liar. Some even mocked her diet calling it the "Lying Diet" ...as opposed to Lion. What a non compassionate non empathetic group of sociopaths here. Seriously. They point the finger yet 3 are pointing back at them too. They claim meat heals is all anecdotal yet the comments here are showered with anecdotal evidence of ppl healing their arthritis with vegan diets. This is insane 😳. No wonder ppl call it a cult.

@@chenanigans Actually Jordan isn't just a young woman fighting to live pain free and feeling she has stumbled across the magical cure for all that ails her and is being hounded by militant vegans in the privacy of her own life. Rather she is trying to monetize this diet and turn it into a vehicle to make money, potentially a lot of money. As such it is absolutely fair to examine the evidence supporting her claims. And since most of that evidence is her own personal medical history that she claims tracks almost exactly the diet she is will to let you in on the secrets of for the low, low price of $600, then we are certainly not out of bounds to questions whether any of the anecdotal stories she is telling actually have any science to back them up. And since not only is not only money involved but also potentially the health and well-being of those she is able to convince to follow this all meat diet, it is fair to question whether she is even telling the truth about whether her dietary changes actually correlates at all with changes in her health status or if there were other changes other than her diet in this period that could explain all or part of the changes she saw in her health. Without having had independent medical experts tracking her disease status, dietary pattern and other potential changes to treatment (either added or subtracted) to quantify the amount and timing of changes in her diet and how well those changes correlate with changes to her health and for which there is no other likely explanation, we will never know any of this necessary information from which to judge her claims. As such her story doesn't even rise to the level of single patient case report, let alone any level of evidence necessary to establish a definitive cause and effect between the foods she has chosen to eat and the changes to her health. As for the anecdotal stories about the positive health effects of a plant based diet by people in the comments to this video, unlike Jordan no one is saying that based on just their story alone, and maybe one or two extremely biased and poorly conducted "studies", that anybody should adopt a plant-based diet. Instead they offer their stories as personal confirmation of what massive amounts of independent peer reviewed research clearly shows.

And the rest of my TL/DR reply in case you have any interest in dialog and understanding. Researchers going back over a century have conducted thousands of studies that take an unbiased (as humanly possible) approach to looking at how different diets, not just plant-based diets affect human health. These range from very large scale retrospective studies dating back to the 1920s of established populations that have eaten a particular diet for tens to hundreds of generations to relatively small and short term clinical case-control studies and metabolic ward studies to long term prospective studies where the diets and health of a large group of people are tracked over significant periods of time like the Framingham heart study in Framingham Mass which is now tracking a third generation of residents, and the Nurses Health Study which has been tracking the diet and health of 104,000 nurses for 46 years. The populations studied in the retrospective health studies represent a natural experiment in the long term health implications of specific diets since that those alive in those populations at the time of the study would have eaten a specific and largely unchanged mix and percentage of plant and animal foods from birth. Some populations, like those in warm, wet and fertile portions of Africa, Asia and Central and South America, average 95% and more of their calories from whole plant foods and 5% or less from animal sources. Other populations like the pastoral nomads of Mongolia the Inuit get 90+% of their calories from animal based foods. Other population studies tracked the diet and health of emigrants from between two or three locations with substantially different dietary patterns. The best known of these looked at ethnic Japanese living in Japan, Hawaii and California. These studies are necessary to quantify the effect of genetics being a major driver of disease independent of diet or whether there was some interplay between different genetic backgrounds and diet that means that some genetic populations were "prone" to a given disease while others are genetically "protected". What these immigration studies show is that as an immigrant population adopts the dietary pattern of the surrounding population their disease rates comes to almost exactly equal that of the population as a whole. There are some differences. Like the Japanese appear to have been eating a high sodium diet for a long enough to have accumulated some favorable adaptations that make their blood pressure level slight less sensitive to sodium intake. But a burger and steak loving Japanese-Americans living in California has the same chances of developing the heart disease and cancer as all the other burger and steak loving Californians around them. The data from those population is absolutely clear, the higher the percentage of calories from whole plant sources, the lower the rates of diseases like cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, most cancers and a number of other diseases, while those diseases are common in populations that are on the opposite end of the spectrum. But that is just correlation, and no matter how strong can not establish cause and effect. But when researchers look for viable biochemical pathways that could lead from different foods to specific disease states, they find them, every time. And then they take those hypotheses resulting from the population studies and potential biochemical pathways into the clinical setting and do case control studies and long term intervention trials to see if there is indeed a cause and effect relationship between the foods consumed and the disease rates, onset ages, and rates of progression of the chronic diseases that are 13 of the top 15 causes of premature death in the US and most of the developed world (the other two are accidents/homicides/suicides and medical errors). And again they find the same thing. The higher percentage of whole plant foods a study group or population consumed, the better are the level of biomarkers for which there is an established cause and effect relationship to chronic diseases, like cholesterol levels, blood pressure, increased insulin resistance and elevated IGF-1 and C-reactive protein levels. Sometimes in clinical trials where they completely change subjects diet, the changes in disease state can be extremely rapid. A study of lean type II diabetics (so that confounding effects of obesity don't muddy the water) who required insulin injections in addition to the insulin their own bodies were able to make in order to control their blood sugar looked to see what would be the result of putting them on a very high carbohydrate (70%-80%), actually low fat (10%-15%), 100% whole plant diet. All subjects saw the amount of insulin they required drop sharply. Many were able to stop injecting insulin entirely. And it didn't take years to get them to that point, but rather just weeks even days to get them to they no longer needed insulin. One subject went from over 30 units of insulin a day to zero in 16 days. Researchers also see the difference in hard endpoints as well like dramatic reductions in all-cause mortality and premature deaths due to specific diseases like heart disease, stroke, cancer, diabetes, renal failure, and many different autoimmune diseases like Multiple Sclerosis and Lupus. On the opposite end, those consuming high levels of animal based foods see much higher rates of these diseases, with earlier onset, faster progression and higher rates of premature death rates. So no it is not a cult. It is a significant and happily rising percentage of the population who is willing to accept what the science is saying about the effect of diet on our health. Many, probably more, are also very passionate about humans not continuing to needlessly kill 70 billion land animals a year for food, that are as fully sentient and with all of the same range of pain, fear, pleasure and satisfaction and a host of other emotions as any cat or dog, when humans have no nutritional need to consume a single gram of another being's body. And there many who see that animal agriculture is absolutely destroying our environment and is one of the leading causes of climate change. And I would say that most vegans are highly passionate about all three motivating factors. In addition to all of that most vegans have had to face condemnation and ridiculed, even from our own families and friends, for not joining with them in the cultural norm in this society of enslaving animals in inhumane conditions, killing them in terrifying places that reek of blood, often in incredibly painful ways, all in order to feast on their dead bodies. So when we get together in places, real and virtual, where most of the people there are vegans or at least follow a plant based diet, I think you can see how we might tend to vent a bit and unload some of the pent up hurt and anger in potentially inappropriate ways.

@@papparocket "Actually Jordan isn't just a young woman..." Why do you call her 'Jordan'?

I'm incredibly skeptical that's the diet she's actually on. She's lied about the medication and "cures" she's had on this, having to go back to various things again, and her father clearly isn't doing well. I'd wager there has to be a multi vit or something else going on that she's not talking about.

l have a hard time believing she was as depressed as she says. While she was so depressed she had relationships and had a baby... uh no, people seriously depressed don't have much in the way of relationships. The need too much energy.

@@TraceyMush i don't know her and her backstory at all, but I'd just like to remind you that disease isn't black and white-you can have it and manage, you can have it and barely get by... It's the case for a lot of illnesses and it's the case for depression too.

@@TraceyMush that's a bizarre thing to say. When I was at my lowest part of my depression I was in a long term relationship with someone. I could barely get out of bed and they were the one making sure I ate food. Being depressed doesn't mean you can't be in a relationship or have sex or children. That's ridiculous. I don't like this Peterson woman and she's probably lying about things for financial gain, I don't know. But having a baby and being in a relationship is not evidence of her lying about being depressed.

Yeah I'm sure she just made up that thing about having to have her hip replaced at 17 (or whatever the age was.)

@Not PC when the world collapse, don't forget that you wouldn't even have meat to eat.

@Not PC even those days during world war, people were still surviving by eating plants. Back then meat was a luxury.

Honestly this is the same for most who are plant based, unfortunately there is so much misinformation (usually originates from meat/dairy industries)and a whole lot of gullible people 🤦🏻‍♂️

@notpc6981 oh ouch 🤕 please stop the brutality 🤣🤣🤣

These diets have short term favorable outcomes and then become toxic.

I am waiting for a LONG TERM study to prove keto safety for cardiovascular and lung health. All the positive studies are very short term and are terrible for cholesterol.

Ew 😄

Lol!!!

Greatest comment so far on this video just looking at the fact that mic’s “love” sign is not here :) Hes largely Pooh-poohed her story and research Al-together! But good on mic that whatever “debunking” video he comes up with, I definitely go and watch that specific video that usually make a lot more sense! So thanks Mic and waiting for more such videos :))

Not surprised he never replied lmao

She doesn’t deserve a huge audience base. She’s just Jordan petersons daughter, sharing her anecdotal experience. Yay clap clap 👏

Just like the dozens of vegan anecdotes in this comment section, huh?

it's not anecdotal because she fabricates a lot of the story.. an actual account would be fabulous - that's empirical data

@@notyourdad Yeah but those are backed by high quality studies whereas anecdotes for uber atherosclerotic diets like carnivore are backed by nothing else.

@@nafaidni if you consider the studies that back up plant-based diets high quality you don't know what a high quality study is. Those are all based on epidemiology which are just survey based studies and they're correlative and not causal - it's literally the lowest quality study you can make. Show me a experimental randomized trial that shows that dietary cholesterol or saturated fat causes heart disease or one that shows that plant-based diets reverse heart disease and we can talk. Oh, those don't exist? Cool. But if you're genuinely interested in the subject of diet and heart disease check out Paul Saladino's recent talk with Tucker Goodrich and Jeff Nobbs and you might find some actual insight based on actual science.

@@notyourdadOh noooo a KZfaq comment section isn’t providing you with all the data? Cry me a river. Are you saying you listen to comment sections instead of studies??

You should look up a short video called "How sad is it to only eat meat?" - watch that and reconsider if you should feel bad for people eating a carnivore diet.

Working great for me and has been for years. Not that I'm against veganism, but the majority of vegan "foods" are highly processed or garbage - sugar, seed oils, gluten, etc. Extreme diet too. Take a grass fed steak anyday mate, maybe that would help up your T levels 😅

@@LukeMosse well there is mountains of scientific correlation to vegan diets promoting better health. There is also mountains of KZfaq comments of people saying how much better they feel on a carnivore diet. Which road do you want to take?

@@LukeMosse holy sh!t mate. You actually put some thought into that. Good to see. Cheers 🥂

@@LukeMosse awesome! This is exactly how I lost 50lbs and stronger, more muscle, drug and pain free. Cheers man, they are against further research whenever they say “science” without any science. That is why you will never see Mic debating anyone.

My kid thrived on being vegan

Ah yes, blame the meat for the Benzo addiction - that makes sense :D

@@notyourdad Just pointing out the many physical and psychological health problems this man has had since going carnivore. All while he whines around some airport hotel stage to a fake audience about how he knows what ails humanity and how to cure it.

They are highly toxic inside which is making you sick all the time.

Don't come complaining to us when you get colon cancer lol

lets hope you survive 5 years without getting liver mineral intoxication, high blood pressure and high cholesterol

What a wonderful class of drugs

Great job Mic, discrediting someone with no debate! Then has the nerve to call it science. There is no science here, just 2 opinions.

She doesn't have to convince herself of anything. She lived it. She gave up plants and her health improved immensely. Mic is just pissed because someone has figured out their health problems without eating 2 tons of kale a day.

Not everyone needs science when they are living the experience. But either way go check out dr berry. Why doesn’t mix make any videos towards the mds who actually provide facts?

@@lorenbeaulieu2896😂 go away

​@@gardenofeels6872 And the most cringy thing is how this clown likes the most moronic comments under his videos, like this one about "convincing herself". Gosh

She says she had lifelong depression before that but maybe that too.

@@MictheVegan yeah I mean the extreme hormone changes after giving birth can exacerbate pre-existing depression (speaking from experience 😳). Thanks for the response. Always look forward to your videos.

Depression in teens is not unusual and disappears in Many cases. Then she could have baby blues. The thing would she has a fertile ground for depression but it may be triggered for many reasons.

@@MictheVegan I’m happy for her that she has eliminated depression from her life! I am happy that she found something that makes her feel good and healthy. I’m happy that this change in her life has made her want to talk to and help others. She is a brave women, especially knowing all the hate and rumours from Vegans she will encounter. Sounds like you guys have already put her on the couch. Cheers

There have been some studies on Post partum and particular additives in the foods today such as soy, vegetable oils and seed oils

That's just an anecdote though, didn't you watch the video? Mic spent 20 minutes telling you how anecdotes are worthless.

@@notyourdad a personal anecdote is invalid only when you're trying to convince an audience of thousands. I don't see how this person is trying to convince anyone that their diet is superior. All I get from reading it is that different things work for different people and this in particular is what worked for them.

Congrats! My science and experience is a little different. But I am gout free for 2 yrs, medication free for 2 yrs, and stronger at 200lbs then when I was 250. I seen all kinds of doctors and most of them told me to eliminate night shade vegetables and meat. So I ate a ton of carbs and got worse and worse. I was faced with a drug I would have to take everyday before I started to investigate. I cut out most carbs and sugar. Increased my healthy fat and healthy protein. I live by “no wheats, no sweets”. There is no scientific data paper for “no wheat no sweets” just what I did to change my life around. I’m not Vegan or Carnivore and am not sure why it has to be one or the other.

Exactly

@@notyourdad There’s a big difference though when it’s an influencer misleading hundreds of thousands, even up to tens of millions of people. It’s gotten so bad, I’ve seen other Asians advocating for a carnivore diet when their ancestors were anything but (I’m Chinese, which is why it’s unnerving to me). There’s a stark difference between eating simple refined carbs and shit loads of omega 6 and foods with low nutritional value and then switching over to a healthier lifestyle and a somewhat better diet. It doesn’t mean that the diet is the healthiest. This idea is something carnivores and keto advocates don’t get and which is why these influencers are so dangerous. They are misleading upwards of millions of people or maybe even tens of millions into eating a diet that is highly likely to cause them trouble later down the road.

A plant based diet will do the same thing. You did whats called an elimination diet. You would need to reintroduce whole foods back into your diet at some point, or u will start to have nutrition deficiencies. Your testosterone levels will be affected, and your sat fat level (LDLs) moght spike too high. Try plant based ☘️ ✌️

Animal proteins cause inflammation in the human body. It will catch up to you. There is plenty of evidence showing how meat and animal products cause health problems.

@@victorl3969 vitamins and minerals are definitely there though. It's other things along with them is the problem

I trust this comment more than this entire video.

eating only pasta helped my husband to recover from histamine intolerance. of course once you eliminate the trigger of the autoimmune disease, you feel great. what a discovery. it does not mean it is healthy

How did this crazy notion arise that a private organization choosing to not use their own private resources to promote a person's message is any way a form of censorship. Only a government entity can censor anybody because only it has the ability to regulate speech and behavior through the force of law. I am assuming you are in the US. If so, read the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. "CONGRESS shall make no LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press ...". So just to be clear, a private group can not censor anybody. TEDx is completely free to determine what ideas they choose to help to spread to a wider audience and which they do not. There are many many other ways that Jordan can get her message out. And in fact it sounds like she is getting hundreds of thousands of views of her own copy of the video she made at that TEDx event on her own social media channels. So she is far from being censored even if a private organization like TEDx had the ability to censor anybody. Her complaint isn't that she is being censored. It is that she is unhappy because she wants her ideas to gain additional credence from the good reputation that TEDx has for promoting "ideas worth sharing", and thus by inference that her ideas are "worth sharing". TEDx decided, again as is their right, that her ideas were not "worth sharing", so they didn't

That thing was a train wreck.

"I am a meat eater here to represent the vegan side" *sniffle*

Yes, it is obvious she suffered a lot.

Maybe you’re self medicating a mood/ mental disorder with alcohol

It seems like an idiotic video attracts the most idiotic commentators.

gotta love a false equivalence like a Sesame Street sketch

Yeah we should really excuse our human existence. Eating meat is a "bad habit"! No single civilisation has ever in the history of humanity eaten this jumped up Adventist, diet. We are omnivores. How Idiotic modern life has become and I include myself in this. 16 years eating that vegan diet and thankfully 3 whole years free of it. Mental brainwashing. You are in a cult.

It would be because of the accidental plant she ate once. ;)

She has autoimmune issues on beef now. Resorted to lamb only, her father said on Joe Rogan.

Well, she is now having auto immune issues on beef, so she's eating lamb only, according to her father, recently on Joe Rogan.

What do you say about all the vegans dropping dead from heart disease, cancer and strokes?

@@gardenofeels6872 ?!?!?!?!?! I've read so many scientific papers about diets and vegan diets give always some benefits. Reduced risk of heart disease, cancer and stroke are three of those benefits...

Her father is the source of her problems. Just guessing...

@@fcvgarcia Yup the same man who claims to be an alpha male yet his life had a big stall for ten years because of his chronic anxiety and I'm not making fun of mental illness or the people who suffer from it but you have to be what you preach

@@kenshirosama7227 To top it off, he just spent over a year in drug re-hab. Ya know, because he knows so much about how to fix everyone else.

@@j.goebbels2134 The collective consciousness of humanity can fix transgenderism and after that we connect to jesus then JP starts crying for no apparent reason

@@fcvgarcia I have no clue who her father is

it's a religion😉

@@dauser4 interesting concept. I don't think of it as a religion, just a choice at this point. More of an identity perhaps.

@@starsaligninthesky follow a doctrine. Try to convert others to your "cause". Sense of moral superiority over non-believers. Constant reafirming from your peers that you are following the correct path. Anything contrary to the doctrine dismissed of any potential authenticity. Doesn't sound zealot or religious at all.

Someone complained.

Hmmm....I wonder why?

TEDx platforms come from a site that has prior approval, not based on an individual’s speeches. I did a TEDx talk at my school and didn’t have to submit my speech to anyone. Don’t expect it to be posted to the KZfaq platform either though, haha.

However we can generalize that humans are herbivorous mammals. Mic has two videos on this topic.

I think that there certainly were some things she ate that her body couldn't tolerate (no idea what) and now, with this extremely restrictive diet, she doesn't eat those exact things anymore, like described in this video. I really wish her all the best, but I don't think her current diet is good for her in the long run.

@@krishnaveganathar I mean, you can ask yourself if "If a whole plant food diet is the most healthful for humans, does that mean that humans are herbivorous?" I'm not sure the answer is yes, but I also don't think it matters. The evidence certainly supports the former, not sure that it supports the latter.

@@goranbreskic4304 that is the problem

Well add me as another anecdotal case study. Vegan for six months felt horrible. Carnivore two years and solved all my weight problems and completely ended all depression and anxiety. There are thousands of us that have experienced this. At some point our stories will overwhelm your stubborn willful ignorance.

The guy is 49 and looks like an 80 grandpa. If anything that is not exactly good publicity for munching on plants...

@@swisscarnivore If you care more about how someone looks, then that's on you.

@@naughtiusmaximus6273 he looks extremely unhealthy, so does Mike and most long term vegans. They simply self cannibalize. Neither vegan nor carnivore diets are healthy and optimal for human health.

@@Rose_Ou Go sell crazy someplace else Rosemary...