Scott playing lacrosse to save everyone is the equivalent of Archie's epic highs and lows of high school football.

I genuinely think Tyler Hoechlin only came back under the condition that he would be killed off so that way people never ask him to return to the series ever again

This could've been 10 times better if the plot started with them coming back to Beacon Hills for a 15-year highschool reunion and by accident, shit would've started happening.

So they didn't bring back Dylan O'Brian, who's the fan favorite and is integral to the story. They killed off Derek, who's another fan favorite. They didn't bring back Kira, who's also integral to the story. And to top it off, they brought back Allison just to put her back into her relationship with Scott so that he could have the happy ending that he didn't deserve while everyone else got screwed over. Do I have that right?

the most ironic part about bringing back the nogitsune is that, like…people didn't like the nogitsune because it was such a wonderful villain as a concept. they liked the nogitsune because of how it messed with the main cast and specifically how it possessed Stiles and let Dylan O'Brien flex all over the place. take stiles away and he's just a boring invincible villain.

The fact that they tried to do a Nogitsune plot WITHOUT the two most important characters in the original story line Stiles and Kira, is BAFFLING to me.

It really feels like Jackson was supposed to be Stiles in this movie, and they just did the bare minimum to rewrite him to fit after Dylan O'Brien declined. That's why he's the one doing detective stuff (While confused), supporting Lydia and never transforming or doing anything supernatural, despite being one of the most physically powerful creatures in the show.

as an aspiring writer, hearing about this clownery makes me feel confident that maybe one day my writing will get published

The fact that they thought they could pull off another Nogitsune storyline without Dylan/Stiles and Arden Cho/Kira..........

Arden Cho and Dylan O'Brien are probably celebrating the fact that they don't have this movie on their resumes. They made an excellent call in skipping this disaster! 👏🏾😍

the fact alone that they still went for a nogitsune storyline without dylan and arden is baffling to me, what did they think they were gonna accomplish lmao

there is one thing that is good about this movie. The fanfictions that people are gonna write to do a proper story are gonna be gold.

The Nogitsune was the most popular villain… because of Stiles.

The cgi not improving even though we are in 2023 is the weirdest thing to me

They broke the rule about how the Nemeton always had to want to be found. The fact that Eli just randomly knew where it was blows my mind.

I think we've learned that if a show you love abruptly ends, let it stay dead

If you can’t get Stiles and Kira to come back, then I’m sorry-the Nogitsune has no business being the main antagonist of this movie.

this just makes me so sad that they aren't even capable of creating a decent piece of film for a fandom that has loved the show for YEARS. It's so embarassing.

The fact that Kira was not in the movie and the main villain came from her story arc is ridiculous.

The problem with Teen Wolf was always that Jeff Davis decided to make a dramatic version of a popular movie and accidentally,(he said he almost didn't hire them because they weren't very good) hired amazing actors who made the flat characters come to life and be lovable. Only we didn't love the characters he wanted us to love, we loved Stiles, Derek, and Kira, and wanted them to have their own arcs but he always just had a hard on for Scallison and therefore went out of his way to shut down the things the fans love out of bitterness. i.e. purposely not writing scenes with Stiles and Derek together and sending Kira off on the crazy journey. Jeff has always been butt hurt that the fans didn't love what he wanted them to love. So no, this was never going anywhere good. Considering how much amazing fanfic there is out there to get inspired by there is no excuse for there not even being a semblance of a plot to this

Can we talk about how Derek Hale, who lost the majority of his family because they were BURNED ALIVE, lets himself be BURNED ALIVE VOLUNTARILY in front of the only family he has, namely his uncle (who was originally badly injured and traumatized by the fire) and his son (who is roughly the same age Derek was when he was orphaned)? That is... so painful and insulting to Derek's trauma, and reminds me of the Hound in GoT also dying by fire. The rest of the video cracked me up and made me cringe, but this realization genuinely made something in my chest clench. When I first read that the movie would feature Derek with a teenage son, I immediately knew they were gonna fumble it. I just didn't imagine they would fumble it to such an extent. They gave the man who just lost and lost and lost throughout the series the abstract /concept/ of a happy life (rando kid, sans mom???) and then just... fridged him, in order to give his son the same tragic backstory he had. All for... a potential sequel series? Ouch. Ouch all around.

Jeff Davis really woke up and said “How can I ruin my series in 2 hours” This movie is the final product of Jeff Davis desperately trying to recapture Season 3B and he has failed once again, while also tarnishing that season in a way. In my opinion Teen Wolf as a whole ended with Scott and Stiles driving off in the Jeep at the end of 6A

When i think about it i’m pretty convinced that the reason almost everyone in the main cast agreed to return was because they haven’t had a good acting job in years. Almost all of them just have teen wolf in their resume. Aside from Dylan who’s just good in every role he’s in and Tyler who’s a fantastic superman. Colton Hayes actually fit better in arrow than he ever did in this show and i’m glad he stuck around for 3 seasons. Crystal Reed had a recurring role in 1 season of Gotham but aside from that I didn’t really see much of her despite the fact that she wanted to “Move on to bigger things.” I’m glad Arden turned it down after being treated so poorly on the show.

I mean... did anyone honestly expect this not to be terrible? The last season of teen wolf was one of the most shoddily written pieces of television ive ever seen, and I've watched the Charmed reboot.

Them STILL treating like Kira never existed is really unforgivable. And leaving out Stiles again? Forget it.

My biggest gripe with this movie was that it was STATED in 3B that the Nogitsune could NOT be a Nogitsune and a Wolf at the same time! And now, he just is. Everything else aside that was just the nail in the coffin for me. Dylan and Arden made the best career choice by avoiding this movie like the plague. I wonder if they got a script of any kind or a synopsis and just went “nah we good”

I still have one BIG issue. And that issue is that if Allison died 15 years ago and Eli is also 15 then that means he was born in 2011 i.e. Season 1-3 of Teen Wolf. That means he was already born for most of the show and yet Derek clearly had no idea. Where was he all that time? New York? How did Derek not know? And then how did he eventually find out? Is Eli's mom still alive? Is she also a wolf? Did she & Derek have an actual relationship or was it a one-off? I have so many questions.

When you said “by the way all this happened in the BEGINNING” I was baffled. Shook. Flabbergasted. I checked the time stamp. Only halfway in. I would have swore that what you just described took two hours. 😭 Whoever wrote this movie doesn’t deserve their job.

funny thing about dylan o'brien is that he actually didn't have a problem making a small cameo but Jeff Davis was like "Nah that won't do. it's all or nothing" 💀 As if Dylan isn't one of the casts who has had the most success. He didn't even need this movie. He would have done Jeff a favor. I'm glad Arden Cho refused to join. She deserved a better treatment and equal payment and should settle for nothing less. A part of me is super happy the movie flopped without Stiles and Kira

How a movie in 2023 has worse cgi and writing than the tv show that aired in 2011 and ended in 2018. Arden, Dylan, and Cody really dodged a bullet

Where they messed up was in not writing the film around Stiles/O'brien. Him being an FBI agent would potentially have given them so many story possibilities. They had the opportunity to develop something cool yet mature that pushed the characters forward but chose silly, chaotic and unfocused writing. If they didn't have a script when they reached out to O'brien, no wonder he turned them down. Good for him. Serves Davis and company right. What a mess.

Jackson arranging the "puzzle pieces" is such a Stiles move. (It's so funny that you can actually see the numbers that show how to put them in order in the back of the drawings 😂😂)

Teen Wolf: “The Movie” is one of those “just because you can, doesn’t necessarily mean that you should” type situations for me.

This entire movie feels like Jeff Davis’s own personal wish fulfilment. His original plan was to have Allison survive to the end of the show had Crystal not departed from it. I think he viewed this movie as way to rewrite the history of his own show by giving Allison and Scott the happy ending they didn’t get in the original series. It’s like he wrote fanfiction about his own work but not the good kind.

Stiles was needed in this movie. not justo from a fan point of view, but the plot itself doesn't work without him. The Nogitsune is his villain, his demon (literally) to fight. 3B wasn't about the trickster fox, if was all about how it affected Stiles and his friends. His absence definitely made them change the script and we got this. Arden was also needed, she was replaced but it wasn't the same.

Did they not realize that what made the Nogitsune such a good villain was Dylan O'Brien's acting or...

Fascinating how the filmmakers saw Kira's unfinished arc and fans interest in it and offered her Less pay

One of the worst things that Teen Wolf did is making the "old ships" come back. The earlier philosophy of teen wolf was yeah heartbreaks are painful , but you will fall in love again. Quote from Scott's mom. And then Stiles ditched Malia out of nowhere for Lydia. And then Scott ditched Kira(written off the show), got with Malia and ditched her too for the reborn Allison. They fucked the ships.

I think the initial problem was not having Dylan O'Brian there and ofc the script. But I think they forgot that the reason the people like this villian was because of Dylan's portrayal of him when his character was possesed by the spirit of it

My biggest problem with this film (aside from ALL the other countless flaws you’ve mentioned), is how insultingly they dealt with grief and the loss of a loved one. Deceased loved ones, now matter how badly we can wish for them to come back, never will. They’re dead. It hurts like hell and the only thing you can do is try to process your pain and move on with your life. That’s why I kept believing through the entire movie that Allison would have to disappear again, eventually, and that things would have to get back to the way they were except THEY DIDN’T. I feel so incredibly betrayed that she conveniently came back from the dead and STAYED to fulfill Scott’s void, without ANY valid reason for it. I was such as hardcore TW fan as a teen and this series literally helped me get through so much during those years to the point it still as an impact on me as an adult. Allison was my favorite character and her death destroyed me, but eventually I got over it and accepted that she would never come back, because that’s how it’s supposed to be. Anyways. Ta vidéo était ce dont j’avais besoin. ✌️🇫🇷

- Peter Hale sniffing the floor like scooby doo was enough to make this dumpster fire worth watching. -That, and also Liam unironically speaking the most broken "white boy in a kimono with his Asian girlfriend" Japanese - The timeskip exists solely an excuse to shoehorn in Derek's teenaged son whose only role is to add more weight to Derek's anticlimactic sacrifice - The Nogitsune is Jeff Davis' Eobard Thawne - 75% of the movie is just Scott running from Allison

How in the world did they think they would make a Nogitsune story without Dylan/Stiles and Arden/Kira?! That was HIS storyline and she played a big part in it. Not only that but the Nogitsune storyline was the best one they ever did. So glad the Dlyan, Arden, and Cody weren't part of this mess.

Season 3 was, in my opinion, THE BEST season. Bringing such a villain back is a risky choice and they failed. Dylan and Arden were one of the most important.. they were the most important characters with the nogitsune part. Them not joining is okay, it’s their choice. So they (Teen Wolf) should’ve chosen something else. What about the end of season 6? They should’ve carried that one in the movie.. I followed Teen Wolf since it’s release and this just hurts my heart.

Series took a nosedive when Stiles left. He was the glue that connected everything. He was what made scott. Add the fact that he was by far the most talented actor of the bunch and you couldnt expect anything better out of this "movie"

I loved that you called out the ridiculousness of the “He’s the alpha” line, because I was making fun of that line SO much whenever the trailer came out. Can you imagine having a serious conversation with someone and he calls another person an alpha? I would back away slowly.

And don't forget... Arden Cho was done dirty many times before this. I can remember all too well how horribly the crew behind the scenes had treated her throughout the filming of season 5. Watching the season back, you can see the blatant disrespect. Her character was nullified at nearly every point and constantly written out of episodes. They were cutting out Arden's scenes without informing her. They misled her into believing she would return to season 6, only to basically tell her she was kicked off the last minute. Not to mention they never even sent an invitation to her to return for the shows final episode and the wrap-up party. They even once used her dog for promotional purposes without her permission on the show's social media pages after her firing. Then they come back five years later, offering her a low salary and a week or two of filming. That seems like a spit in the face. Very glad she turned her back on them. Perhaps it was something Arden had done that didn't sit well with others during the filming of the show. But regardless, it doesn't justify the seemingly unprofessional and disrespectful treatment she had received from the production crew. Love or hate Kira (I loved her)... and I know she was only meant for 3B. But both her and the actress most certainly got screwed over.

stiles was such a great character because of what he represented he represents the struggle of being a human in a world where the supernatural is real instead of relying on powers he uses his resources like his jeep a roll of duct tape a wrench and his mind to hear he would not be in the movie already made me worried about this movie and then to see it was free on paramount+ and after watching it i was left nothing but disappointed in a series i grew up with

Okay but if Styles and Lydia are broken up, why aren't Lydia and Parish hooking up? The writers gave so much uncomfortable sexual tension between the two characters that I was genuinely convinced they're going to have a whole adult-minor relationship plotline. They even did a lore dump to explain that Hell Hounds and Banshees have this deeply profound Supernatural connection, which explained all of the tension. And every time Lydia was in trouble, Parish would show up and princess carry her to safety. When Parish was in trouble, Lydia was ready to take out anyone who got in her way to save him. That's just a whole missed opportunity.

I'm still shocked Tyler H. came back, dude is doing great as Superman and accept the offer after seeing what they would do to Derek? What type of sorcery was used here? Also: Crystal Reed coming back as Allison after leaving the show bc she didn't want to play a teenager after turning 30 and bc she thought she could get better roles in Hollywood is so funny to me. What's next, Nina Dobrev in a Vampire Dairies movie?

Jackson finally knows where Scott gets his juice now that he's been in Scott's fridge.

I love how there wasn’t even a story reason for stiles to be absent from the plot. Sheriff just says yeah he’s doing other stuff and that’s it

Dylan O'Brien and Arden Cho dodged a bullet.

This whole movie is a big no. No Stiles and Kira? Strike one. Writing that sounds like it was done by a 16 year old wattpad writer? Strike 2. Horrible CGI and bloating the movie while sidelining a shitton of the cast? Strike 3. And Derek's thing had me fuming because...just why?

LOL it was the teacher, he was SUCH a popular fanfic villain between seasons 2 and 3. I even have an unpublished fanfic that I wrote with him as the villain somewhere in my old files. Now I 100% think they mishmashed a bunch of popular fanfic tropes together because they didn’t have any ideas. But they didn’t have any understanding of why those fanfics worked in the first place. (Hint: it’s the character relationships being the main focus of fanfic, the mostly-coherent background plots, the more consistent worldbuilding, and the tendency to embrace the campiness rather than shy from it.)

I could not stop laughing at the riddle scene, the dialogue was insane and it came out of no where. I was thinking is Argent the nogitsune? If so, when did that happen?!! Yes it’s never explained, top tier writing .

my favourite thing ever was dylan o'brien liking all the shade tweets about teen wolf the day the movie got announced about how he is pissing/shitting/vomiting and avoiding the phone from his agent😂😂

This is canon...wow. There's amateur fanfiction writers that have done stories way better than this.

I'm not ashamed to admit - I've read so many beautifully written elaborate plot heavy Teen Wolf fanfics and this level of writing from a professional team is actually embarassing. Like, Jeff, just go find a plot bunny online - it would be a much better premise.

As an almost 30yo who was obsessed with this fandom in her teens and early twenties, I still cannot get over how much I ended up hating everything about the show in the end, but still loving the characters as they came to be in the hearts of fans. I was kind of horrified to know that they had a movie in the works and was glad DOB turned it down, and how they canonically killed off Derek. Like ugh. I have Jeff Davis so much still. I'm getting pulled into another whirlpool of nostalgia.

Major kudos to Dylan for sitting through this awful film that I'll NEVER watch, and making an hour long video about how dire it is. We salute you, Friendly Space Ninja! ♥️👍

I need someone to tell me it wasn't a fever dream when Tyler Hoechlin said "DID YOU SEE YOUR EYES" with his whole chest In a scene without mirrors or any reflecting surface He dead ass asked if his son could SEE HIS OWN EYES

So many issues involving Davis' own lore from the show. The Malia having a stronger scent made sense when she was first turned human because it was explained as, "Because I was an animal for so long, some of the effects still lingered." But 15 years later would have no reason to have her sniff the nemeton out. The nemeton wouldn't have been able to be sniffed out anyway? The whole point of this mystical tree was that if could not be found unless it wanted, but Allison, Scott, and Stiles were a bit different due to the sacrifice they made. Chris Argent's behavior was really weird but then was explained by the firefly, but even that doesn't make sense. The noguistune possessed people and when he did, everyone knew it because of the spirits cocky attitude. We have never seen firefly's used as anything else other than to show either the oni or the nogistune, so this weird "The firefly is manipulating him," thing is so weird. They laid waste to so many characters but I am most mad about how they treated Peter Hale. This man was the OG villian but he came around with a redemtion arc centered around his daughter and how he actually loves his family. He got the redemption but still remianed a morally grey and snarky character. But he didn't even seem to care about Malia or Derek? In the show, his later seasons were about how he cared for Malia and about how he wanted to protect her, but we got none of that. Final thing (for now), There should be no way in hell that the nogistune is both a wolf and a fox. That was such a vital point in the show. That's what led to the defeat of the nogistune. They spent episodes trying to figure out how to defeat it somehow and it defenitly worked. Him living isn't because he was a wolf as well, it's because he's this unkillable spirit that has one weakness, and suddenly that doesn't exist anymore? This plot line would've been fine if it was a season I feel like. If they filled in the plot holes and gave more development to the characters and the story line I would've really liked it even without Stiles. But they rushed it instead of trying to make something that's quality.

I died laughing when Allison said "scott who?" and then paulie popped up 💀💀

Years later and its still teen wolf. It should be Adult wolf by now fr

You can't do the nogitsune without Kira or stiles as one of the main characters in the plot. The nogitsune was closely tied to kira's family, and it was so terrifying in large part due to Dylan O'Brian acting. You can't try and recreate the magic of 3B without the two nao l key characters/actors responsible for it. I knew the movie was going to be bad when I learned we were getting the nogitsune without style stiles and kira

41:25 I feel like it would've made more sense if Stiles was the big bad villain who released the Nogitusne because they have like a connection or something, with that being said, I'm glad Dylan O'Brien isn't in this awful movie because he deserves better even if he would've made it more enjoyable. Also, Allison being with Scott when she's mentally 17 and he's in his 30s is inappropriate and should be illegal but her being a mother-figure to Ellie when she's only mentally 2 years older than him is just plain stupid just like the rest of the movie

I know that everyone was really mad about how Arden was treated, and we should. But I feel no one talks about Danny's actor Keahu ? And how he was basically "ghosted" and never told anything? I would've loved to see Danny have a chance to revamp his character

The funniest thing was that teen wolf ended 5 years ago, BUT in the movie they said that 15 years have passed because the actors were 26 year olds playing 16 and now they decided to finally make them act their age.

what annoys me the most is that IT WOULD BE EASY TO MAKE EVERY MISTAKE THIS MOVIE HAS RIGHT, but they didn't even TRY

That first scene with Parrish and Malia when she grabs his ass was scarring 💀

"The script was being written in the middle of production." A friend of mine worked on the film. She wore many hats because thats honestly a thing in film. But she complained to me how the script constantly changed and there were constant edits. She was one of the script reviewerrs for grammar and things like that and also working on the ground with the rest of the crew mostly. She hated looking at the script because it was always different lol.

THEY TURNED THE NOGITSUNE INTO A EVIL MEAN GIRL 😭😭😭😭

Parish and malia's relationship came out of nowhere. It was so weird to me

I didn't know that Teen Wolf was getting a movie, so when I came across the trailer, I legitimately thought it was fan-made. Which might be an insult to fan-made trailers.

Kudos to Dylan. I'm never gonna watch this movie because I don't want it to ruin my image of the franchise, but you did and I salute you for your sacrifice

My brother was telling me about this movie thinking I was gonna watch it. I said, "The worse thing they can do is bring Allison back to life." My brother stared at me before yelling at the top of his lungs, "THAT'S WHAT THEY DID!!!" And just like that, I lost the interest I never had.

Stiles dying would have sucked, but if the reason he wasn’t in the movie was because he DID die in that vision that Lydia had would have 1) an interesting reason why he doesn’t come back, 2) be an explanation as why Lydia hasn’t used her powers in so long since she could have been feeling so guilty that she decided to refuse away from any chance to have her power because she felt it was a betrayal to use the ability that she could have used to save him, and 3) would’ve given Lydia SOMETHING since the movie could also have that side-plot of her grieving and getting over that loss and learning to use her powers again, giving her a proper arc in the movie. Wouldn’t have saved the movie at all, but it’d be at least somewhat more interesting.

Can we talk about the fact that Allison was about the same age as Eli when she dies and now that she's back and they didn't introduce any concept that she aged in limbo she's basically a teenager in love with a thirty something year old and now has an adopted son her own age? 🤡🤡

i am NOT watching this movie. but i am watching this video

Fun fact Malia and Parrish only happened because the actors at separate times when asked by Jeff what they wanted for the movie was to be naked, so Jeff really said “Let’s knock out two birds with one stone”

the nogitsune jar is such a massive plot hole for me that really shows the low level of effort put into this movie. it was explicitly stated at the end of s3/start of s4 that isaac left the show to go to france, probably to get away from beacon hills in the wake of allison's death, BUT also to get rid of said jar. THAT WAS HIS WHOLE EXCUSE FOR LEAVING. if they truly wanted to make this storyline plausible then they would have brought daniel sharman back - isaac was a fan favourite and it would be at least somewhat of a consolation given that many other favourites (stiles, kira, theo, etc.) were not present in the movie.

Couple things I needed to rant somewhere: -It's infuriating because they could've easily fixed plot holes with very small changes. Instead of saying "a ritual of some kind", say "a darach ritual to contact someone in bardo". 3 more words, not perfect becase where would Argent have learned of it? Who knows, but it gives enough info that most people won't question it. -They got their own lore wrong. Jackson turned into a werewolf at the end of season 2 but they talk about him like he's still a lizard man and he never actually transforms. Why is he here? At least doubel check the plot twists of the show -Speaking of Jackson, he's in an ill-fitting baggy suit the entire show. Did the actor loose muscle definition and they wanted to keep the horny Jackson fans unaware of this? If so, than the wardrobe team can do better than a Trump-esque baggy suit

I think Jackson is there to be the Stiles of the movie. Like solving a puzzle, not taking part in a fight and being able to figure out how to use magic stuff is all very Stiles of him. If Dylan O'Brien had agreed to be in the movie he'd probably have gotten more of an arc but those would have been the important things Stiles would have contributed. Also did Allison get a manicure in the afterlife? Because it looks like she got her nails done and it's either team Scott, the nemeton or from the afterlife. I'm not sure which makes most sense...

Should’ve used the woman from the last season as the person trying to awaken the nogitsune as a way to kill the supernatural people of beacon hills. Sort of like a deal with the devil type of situation with him betraying her (because he’s a trickster) and her teaming up with the pack to take him down. In the process of them working together she realizes they’re decent people just trying to do the right thing and the movie ends with a new level of empathy between the supernatural and her followers. I’m not a writer but I feel like something like that would be way more true to the show

I'm convinced that Scott begging to be shot was improvisation 😂 like "just shoot me, I want to go home now"

Well, I was huge fan of Allison. And was very disappointed that she died. And desperately wished they hadn't done it in the first place and/or would bring her back. I guess I got what I wished for. Now I just wish I hadn't.

you can tell most of the actors agreed to be in this because of lack of acting jobs

Hearing how this movie ended up just pains me so much. Teen Wolf caused me to have a entire friendship start in middle school. I'd spend a entire class just talking about it and hoping the story was continued. And seeing that this...this happened pains me.

While I understand why they chose the nogitsune to be the villain that comes back, if Arden and Dylan weren't going to be in the movie, they should have come up with a different plot. The thing that makes the nogitsune so scary is how it possesses the character that quite literally hold that show together, Stiles, in such a powerful and painful way. Not to mention the fact that introducing Kira's character directly links her to this villain and they couldn't be bothered to pay her well for playing such an integral part in the best season of the whole show. The only thing that got me through this movie is the nostalgia, but honestly, if anyone who hasn't seen it wants to feel that, just watch the show again lol.

Scott now has two children he have to take care. teenage Eli and Allison.

i'm still baffled by the fact that liam and mason never have a single scene together, you're telling me liam moved to japan and mason stayed in beacon hills, and they did not have a reunion? okay jeff

Was hoping for a return of Isaac, because he's my favorite character and his exit was so sad. Now I'm glad he escaped the character crucifixion. The writers clearly don't understand what the fans want. We want to see these characters connecting together again after all these years! I would rather have something like the Arthur finale, where it's just cathartic and ties things up.

Nobody deserved a happy ending more than Derek.

The writers admitted they only made the movie to bring Allison back but had no idea how they were going to do it yet. They just planned to 'figure it out somehow'. That was the entire motivation for the movie. So I wasn't surprised when it was a huge mess. As for a lot of the bigger plot things like Eli's mom and what happened with Malia and Perish, they've said it'll be addressed if they get more movies, which they're looking at doing. Which probably means even they don't know.

The main problem the movie had was that there was no script. Crytal Reed (Allison) has come out and said that some scene were completely off the cuff as they has no lines or directives to go off of.

Malia had no character growth in this movie. If they had brought back Stiles I wouldn't be surprise if he had no development in this movie either. They would have left him as Scott sidekick. Lets face it Stiles had the most potential of coming into his own and surpassing Scott.

I literally lost all the hype I had for it when I found out the entire story line was about the Nogitsune and the Oni WITHOUT Stiles and Kira.

Sterek fans: *ANGUISHED SCREAMING* Destiel fans: "First time?"

If any movie ever needed a "It was all just a nightmare/dream" moment, this is the one.

It's like they tried to give Styles personality to derek's son since dylan Obrien wasn't in the movie but they just did an awful job.