What do you guys think about the Ranked system, and online in general?

Its so annoying to just randomly lose like 1k points I hate it

You get punished badly for losing a match but you win a match you barely gain anything it’s annoying

We need infinite rematch in quick match at least

I wish you werent just able to plug and deny the other person a win whenever you want

Dude!! U have NO IDEA the amount of ppl ive faced that are ranks above me and the amount of points i lose is insane. I even said it myself since launch...why cant we be paired up with ppl that are in the same rank or skill level. Not just that but GOLLLYY these ppl wont let u move oncethe moment u get caught in a frame trap smh😮‍💨 someone FINALLY is listening to me and pointing it out, Thank You for not being the only one experiencing this issue i LOVE the game especially being a new comer lol Ranked NEEDS to be fixed

Thank god you mentioned the inability to do infinite rematches during Quick Matches. My absolute favorite thing to do in Tekken 7 was pick up a new character, go into a quick match, and then throw myself at the same high-level opponent until I figured out the matchup. Fighting people who play rare characters is so refreshing compared to the onslaught of Victors who spam the same shit and then plug after you figure out their game.

The rematch limit is awful. If they don't want players farming points, they should disable gaining points after best of three set.

I started playing Tekken 8 almost as soon as the game was released . At first I cared so much about the ranking . But just a few days ago I stopped caring about the ranking because of how toxic it is . If I win I win . If I lose I lose . It's whatever now . And I could care less what anyone thinks .

THIS IS STRAIGHT FACTS 100%!! GLAD U SPOKE UPP OMIGOSHH!. Everybody else still on the honey moon phase to where they meat ride the game completely disregarding it's flaws

Super toxic system as well

Completely agree - I also find it really frustrating that i hardly ever play someone of the same rank as me. The matchmaking to find a same rank opponent doesnt work. I either play someone 2 ranks lower in a super sweaty match for hardly any points, or someone 2 ranks higher who beat me easily and I lose double the points!

I had a few people plug on me lately. I just reached Eliminator (last orange rank before red) and as a newcomer I was pretty excited about it. I've been demoted a few times already. I did a combo that won me the whole set, but of course during the combo he left. It's so frustrating. Especially if you lose afterwards and could've needed the points, not to get demoted for example.

I'm at fujin but I just can't rank up with pluggers when I'm doing well in a Match 5 plugs in a row and I'm just like idk if I wanna play anymore. I log into rank again and face a spamming Azucena and lose 2k points off a 6 win streak. Frustrating.😊

I feel you man, it feels IMPOSSIBLE to climb out of the purple and blue ranks it’s so frustrating

Ranked definitely needs some kind of adjustment.

Another thing is that it seems like when I decline a few players(wifi) my ranked filter settings get looser automatically. I set the filter to match me with players who are at most 3 ranks above me yet after declining 3 wifi players not only i got a bigger queue time, I also got a player from another continent and someone who was 8 ranks above me.

I agree with all of it. The only thing is that the 800 and 1000 points issue isn't random. You get or lose double the points if you win or lose the third game in a row IF you only won against players of the same or 1 rank near you. for an example: Let's say I'm fujin and I lose 2 games against another fujin. The next moment I win against a kishin but this doesn't reset my lose streak as kishin is 2 rank above me. The next match I lose against a Battle ruler and now it's my third streak and I lose 800. The same applies to winning points.

Praying that the ranked system and the plugging issue will get fixed asap T_T I think character balance can come later

What would you recommend to someone thats new to Tekken? I hear that ranked is p messy and tbh I mainly played it as a place to play others of similar skill levels and other places like player match to fight others of all skills but I wasnt sure since so many say that its not a great place to learn or something ig? Apologies for this being drawn out, Im just confused lmao

Like SF6 does the ranked system way better, how these guys behind the ball like this when they've had better templates available for a long time now

the most likely reason ive found for the high rank point loss is that its to siphon points out of the system as the high rank player receieves few points while the its a pretty odd one compared to t7 where points were effectively 1 to 1, but instead every player is an island in this game the double win/loss feeling random is because it only counts win/loss streak for ranks +/- 1 rank of you

When they announced best of 3 system, I thought it was the BARE MINIMUM, and then you keep the infinite rematches if you choose. Because the biggest issue with tekken 7, was the one and dones. But instead, they made it even worse lol

I thought I was losing my mind when I was getting bodied by people 3 ranks higher than me and nearly double my tekken prowess. Realising how many points I lost. It’s so demoralising. Surely they’ve got their code the wrong way round.

2:13 It does relate to win streaks in some sense but matches played against players 2 ranks or greater difference from you don't go towards the streak bonuses/penalties. But the Alisa example you gave is interesting and shows there's even more to it than just streaks alone. I'd guess it's keeping track of recent win rate of matches (only including matches played against players with +/-1 rank difference or less). But ig we still don't know for sure lol.

Great points! It's all a bit random. I'd love to hear from someone at Bandai Namco about the thinking behind it. Also - pluggers are a massive issue and must be addressed.

Totally agree! Thank you for this video - I really hope they listen and change this mess! Especially the 3 games limit is frustrating. So often I feel like I could win with a bit of training. And it's rare to have matches against players that aren't abusing broken characters and moves - so when I get to play against one I want to enjoy it longer before being thrown back into this pit of unbalanced and unfun opponents.

That explains a lot why I’ve been stuck at rank 10/11 so long

Coming from Street Fighter and this is my first Tekken. Its wild to me that there are no placement matches when you start ranked on a new character. I play in Asia and the amount of Koreans that are way to good for their rank is really annoying.

Yeah I agree, lost to someone in battle ruler (I’m in garyu) and lost 400 points per match. Given I did take one 3 set and got 500 back. But it feels weird. Lose to a special style orange law and only lose like 40 points. Arbitrary af

Am at Shinryu currently, I lost to an Eliminator and my Rank points dropped a little bit. I lost to a Flame Ruler and I lost so much points I dont get it. Idk it should be the other way around imo. Best of 3 is too short, because it takes a while to adapt and get used to your opponents’ pattern

I didn't even realize this was happening except when you promote. I noticed it jumps you all the way to the middle. I haven't even been looking at the points gained and lost.

amen dude. i really hope they actually resolve all the issues in online quickly. thanks for all the videos man. keep it up

I'm so glad to hear someone saying this as I was literally so confused about basically gaining nothing for matches

I can explain the reasoning. Tekken 8 is very generous in giving free points. You get a ton of points when you get promoted, but don't lose extra points when you get demoted. You also earn extra points by reaching different win-streaks. This makes it easier for players to reach higher ranks even with lower win rates, and makes demotions less punishing. To counteract this point and rank inflation, Tekken 8 makes you lose extra points when losing against a higher ranked player, while giving the winner a low amount of points. The idea is that you have to actually win against players with an equal or higher rank than you, to earn a meaningful amount of points. Therefore "earning" your promotion". It is not a standard ELO model, and it seems completely counter intuitive at first glance, but it actually makes some kind of sense.

It only becomes optimal to demote if youve already lost mutiple in a row and technically being put into the middle of the rank is where you started when you promoted the first time. To circumvent this they could take out the promotion boost entirely and make it to where if you are at the beginning of x rank at 21,999 you should be given a grace period 21,999 1 loss and 21,999 2 loss. Getting these two losses would demote you to previous rank and when you rank up it puts you at the beginning of the rank with the 2 loss grace period before being put into a demotion match.

I am a Shinryu (Dan 16) and somehow matched with a Bushin (Dan 24) even when I had -+3 match restriction on (I assume it was just a weird bug). I lost both games and each game was -400. Make it make sense

Mostly playing quick play until eddy releases and i hope these issues are worked on by then

I realized some of these issues a while ago, and thought I was just being salty. Glad to know there’s validity to my frustration 😂

I think that the random extra point gains come from matches you’re expected to lose. Though I’m not sure if it’s based on your character matchup record or something adjacent to tekken prowess underlying stats.

Just reached Garyu. I’m in a literal limbo where I gain 500 points then loose 500 points. This ranked system is nonsense.

Not only that, but every time I start up a new match…it just froze for a couple of minutes

make it make sense how i’m 120k prowess gets matched up with a 230k player and losw more than half if my progress. but when i beat an opponent with the same prowess and rank as me next to nothing is gained

As someone who got climbed to fujin In tekken 7 I can say that I found the climb to be more linear. In tekken 8 you can’t demote from warrior so warrior is essentially the beginning rank, this makes orange ranks and especially red ranks (Garyu lol) to have the biggest mix of skill levels. For me climbing out of green/yellow/orange ranks was a very humbling experience in tekken 7 In tekken 8 The climb from red to purple is huge just like the climb from purple to blue is immense. It does not help that there a few characters who may be inflating peoples ranks at the moment 😂 (victor).

There’s also a problem where people are not really in the ranks they should be. I have played against people that are much higher than me and literally beat them with perfect. Then I struggle with somebody lower rank then me and lost. (The ranking system needs to be fixed)

I actually think an error was made. Yesterday I Beat someone one rank below me and got 250 points the next match I lost and I lost 280 points? Its very messed up

bro i forgot there was a point system

Basically with this rank system Harada wants you to win every single match 😅

The only thing i can think of when it comes to only having best out of 3 in ranked. Is the huge imporvements to practice mode and the replay system they have implemented. I love the replay system in this game, i can fight a Lee who i dont see often, and then go to replays and literally play that match again in segments to learn the matchup, although a little limited in some ways. Then again id rather learn a match up at my own pace rather than be stressed playing a ranked game. Everything else you mentioned I completely agree. Lol

Your tips helped a lot, stay consistent with your content 👍🏻

I agree with that first point heavily. Doesn’t make sense to lose more points in an expected loss.

Thank you !!! Somebody dropped this video…I almost thought was anyone going to speak up about this 👍🏼🤣🤷🏻‍♂️💯

Hell of piece you covered here brother! Super glad to see someone talk about the random point gain/loss in ranked and the missing infinite rematch on quick play. However while I think the demo to promo match option is pretty cool I do agree about the scums cheesing their way to higher ranks. But once again fantastic content!

You spoke straight facts, this is my first tekken and i come from other fighting games. I was the only one in my friend group talking about this, thought no one else saw it this way.

Everything you have said is 100% true, ranked is a shit Show as of right now

My main issues are plugging, abusing the system to gain points and ranked not being bo3. If you can't finish a game don't queue up, otherwise just forfeit if you have an emergency.

strongly agree with the point about losing more to people high ranked. I was matched up against people around 110,000, 120,000 even one guy over 140,000. I'm at 65,000 tekken prowess. Needless to say I lost, I wasn't tiled since I fully expected to lose and actually enjoyed most of those matches and took a round or two off but I don't know why you would lose more points. It seems like it should be proportional to the percentage difference in rank so for example if I'm at 60,000 and i fight someone at 120,000 i should lose 50% of the points i would lose if i fight someone else at 60,000. Although that means the higher ranked player loses double so maybe make it a little less like 33% more points are lost/gained respectively than if you fought someone at the same tekken prowess. The other thing is I changed it to +-2 instead of 3 which helped a bit. Problem is that only takes into account color/title rank not tekken prowess so if someone is playing a new character you can still get steamrolled which would be fine if you didnt lose so much. The people I was fighting that were over 100,000 had their highest character well into red rank, some into purple rank but since they were playing a new character they had them in yellow rank. This is my first tekken other than playing at my friends place and i always beat him as roger by mashing random buttons lol Even still, I'm having an absolute blast with this game. I totally changed my mentality, I used to rage a lot at games like the guy on my pfp but I've been focusing only on increasing rank in the long term and not in the short term. I knew from the beginning I would get absolutely steamrolled. I started playing kuma since I thought he looked the coolest but I stopped because I actually saw your video on the characters that are the easiest at low rank and didn't wanna get hard carried cuz he's so busted at low ranks. Now I play steve, still only in warrior but learning the game a lot more than i did when i bought it a little under a month ago. I only play against 2 or 3 opponents on ranked before i take a break, always rematch and the majority of opponents always rematch as well. There was only one time I got pretty badly tilted so far and that's because i went back to steve after trying out nina, then lars and mainly because I played too many matches in a rows, probably around 10. At a certain point i started mashing so hard from the tilt that i just kept giving them a bunch of free counterhits lol. Other than that, it's been great. Before this I played s(mash) bros online and it was legitimately painful. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, well maybe dave. It doesn't even use rollback. It would actually just freeze while you were playing. It would actually eat half your inputs. I know (of) a guy who constantly complains tekken is eating his inputs but thats never happened to me that I've noticed in tekken. Even though I tried to play it competitively, I firmly believe that game should be a party game as it was intended. The amount of things you can do to cheese your oppoent in smash is unreal, the amount of projectiles and knowledge checks. Tekken feels extremely fair and balanced in comparison, even as a newcomer. Smash online is the worst online experience I've had with any game and it's not even close.

I'm fine with no infinite rematches in ranked but the point system is weird

Everything you said was facts. I will say tho that if you're taking rank seriously you kinda have to learn to figure out your opponent on the spot. so the best out of three system is fine for ME since I be turning it back around the second match. But obviously you're right about rarely seeing some characters and just in general it being nice to match more than just 2-3 times. And speaking of that system, I really hate how you earn/lose after each match like why not just do it after it's all said and done? You end up worse or the same if you lose twice or beat once, it's annoying. But then that'll just bring up other issues i guess like what if you win once and what if they cancel the next match. idk man...

I miss getting smoked in deathmatches in T7. I learned alot and was usually able to take a round or two eventually.

You brought up a lot of good points that I feel like aren't addressed enough by the community. Especially the promotion/demotion system and the points gains/losses inconsistencies. I have a theory that every 10 or so wins/losses you randomly get a +800/-800 punishment. So not based on win streak, demotions, etc. but just every x amount of wins/losses you get that extra bonus/punishment. One thing I'd like to add: I think matchmaking should be done based on Tekken Prowess or at least take Tekken Prowess into account. It feels awful going against someone with 50k+ higher prowess grinding their subs but because matchmaking prioritizes current rank it puts me up against them anyway.

Something else I don't get is why they don't enforce best of 3. It's awful when your opponent completely destroys you in the first game, you figure them out and beat them in the second one, and then they leave (or worse, plug before losing). At least with the previous deathmatch system it made sense people could just decline whenever, but if you aren't going to let us do that then at least enforce the best of 3 to level the playing field.

4:05 admittedly I am very biased on this as I luckily have enough matchup knowledge that if I'm losing it's not gonna be due to getting knowledge checked alone, ofc that can play into is as I don't know everything. So my opinion on infinite rematch is super negative at this point because I was someone who always pressed accept and it just made for never ending sessions against single players, and players singlehandedly inflating or deflating your rank. I wouldn't know when to stop if they removed ft2 but I'd be perfectly happy with ft3 if you want to increase the potential set length a little to give people more time to learn matchups. I feel like a limit on the number of matches is much better for ranked integrity and overall enjoyment of the game too for me personally as someone who would get too invested in matches especially if losing. I'd also be totally happy with infinite rematch in player match tho and that should be a thing, or at the very least it should be easier to immediately jump into a separate lobby with ur opponent if both players choose they want to continue fighting, but at that point you may as well just have it infinite ig lol.

Wait you lose MORE points if they were a higher rank????

Funny how you had LTG on here and he gotten his main account dinged yesterday. So they are definitely on top of it now surely lol.

and dont forget how fuked up some servers are a lot of my friends and me have the same problem of infinite serach it will just say seraching for opponents then communing then do that again

i cant tell if its lose or gain points after every match or nothing changes till the best of 3 is over with, makes it seem like if you won the first game and they losing the second game they can just plug and youll get 0 points., am i wrong? if i have to go against masher ass xiaoyu and azuscena i should be able to take my lucky W on game 1 get my points and run if i dont feel like playing that annoying matchup, i feel like im locked in this best of 3 to get anything at all and you already nailed it you just get matchup checked by bs so hard in this game. literally almost every character has some dumb shit they can spam on you

You notice how in 8 the beginner/lower ranks got removed and you go to green immediately

Bro the matchup with anyone option is only applicable if both parties use that option it doesn't happen randomly to beginners

Give me infinite rematch or I riot.

I've been wondering this for some time now. Nice to finally hear someone with a platform say it out loud.

I personally like best of 3. It's a normal set limit that mimics tournament play. It's a good medium. Not "1 and done" and not just "nah run it back". The replay system is the most robust it has ever been in any fighting game and I know for a fact people aren't using it like that yet. Instead opting to dive back in to gain more varied experience. But yeah, aside from that I pretty much agree with all your points. The ranked points systems could easily be improved. However, at the end of the day, the system is supposed to match you with people at the same skill level, and this flawed system accomplishes that. Sure, if you're picky about the details and how to game points, then it might annoy you. But if you're actually trying to improve, you will need to be able to beat everyone at your rank and compete with those that are in the rank you're trying to get into. This flawed system forces that and ensures that if you're at a rank, you kind of deserve to be there. In the blue ranks, it's rare that I see any of them lose to a purple. Purples will hardly lose to reds, etc.

Thank you for speaking up about the infinite rematches people who don’t actually value improvement keep arguing in favor of this flawed bo3 system

Shame learning all this I was excited to do a rank grind on this game, but seems like a terrible experience.

Yeah. I hate the ranked system in Tekken 8. I have had the same thoughts for a good while now, especially the randomness of the big loss and gain of points - super frustration. But also how you lose more points than you win (at fujin+ rank at least), but gain the same amount from the same rank and above. I don't get more points for beating a bushin or kishin which I would argue that I should. The ranked system incentivises playing lower ranked players in you want points. It's no wonder there are so many one-and-done players if they lose. Wish they would have just reused Tekken 7's ranked system with the point distribution and death matches. Worked so much better.

I love this game. I’m so glad we can say we enjoy the game, but also be a fair at what could be better about the online ranking experience. While I do feel strongly about some characters needing to be balanced, I do prefer the ranking system to be fixed first. The points aren’t very concise or considerate when taking a loss, especially when they’re like three or four ranked above you. I don’t get how I lose more points against a much higher ranked player, and I haven’t exactly fought good fighters. Mainly experienced people who have spammed and the moment I won a round, they plugged.

I am a player coming back as I played Tekken when I was younger starting with 4, and tag 1, all the way to 6 who also played 1, 2 and 3. Tekken 8 brought me back to the franchise and swear my cortisol levels have doubled or tripled ever since I started playing ranked. No game has pissed me off more than it.

I thought it was just me, ITS SO RANDOM

it's like playing a Rtrd version of ranked. in a tournament you can switch characters. but for the last decade fighters have been real weird with not being able to switch characters.

This is my first Tekken so I'll this is new to me, the game is a lot fun. I hope they correct all those issues you mentioned.

The fact that the game doesn't have the option to fight people of the exact same rank as you is absurd

I have to agree the ranking system is backwards I went on a 8 game winning streak points bearly moved up I lost 2 matches I was up for a demotion match 😂

I don't understand why it can take much longer than Tekken 7 on Xbox after 8 released to find low rank matches. I still don't understand what Tekken Prowess means. You can smurf so easily, too.

Breezed through ranks and hit purple in the first 3 days. lost my win streak to a plugger (THIS is also a huge point. When someone plugs he gets to keep his streak, you loose yours) two opponents after him also plugged. Never touched Ranked again. could be heading towards tekken Emperor by now

They should allow rematching after the set in ranked but have it not affect your rank so people can learn and it would prevent people boosting.

Ive never played Tekken until THIS YEAR and Ive only played ranked with players at my level or higher. It took me 4 days to reach warrior, then all of a sudden every player I encounter wins by spamming, trapping me in an infinite loop of promotion/demotion ( can't lose rank bellow Warrior) My biggest peeve is this concept of "learning" as a goal; I primarily use Feng and basically have learned how to use him every new rank I achieve --- it is infuriating to know that the moment I have to defend my rank my opponents make me feel like it was all for nothing... ...for reference Im not the greatest, but I have beaten fijin rank players without spamming or being super aggressive. I just wish I could reach Fujin rank DX

If I match with a yellow rank in red, i get like 200 points for winning and I don't think you can consistently get beginners so I'm not sure how one could rank high with that strategy

Serious question, DOES ANYONE KNOW 100% WHY SOMETIMES 1000 POINTS ARE EARNED AND OTHER TIMES 500? Please

thank you! i thought i was going crazy when these numbers were not adding up. the skill differences in higher ranks are so great. lose a whole day progression for 2-3 matches against a blue rank players. its actually so shit.

I lost rank points and had to redo my promotion match because some loser rq after losing 1st round

I can forgive all the weird point scoring systems, but what I find unforgivable is that I can't rematch continuously. It's always the worst when you find someone who's able to challenge your skills and be someone you can learn from, just to have them whisked away back to the rank ladder when it would be advantageous for both players to continue re-matching. Definitely the worst feature by far. Give us casual rematches please.

A match with anyone, its a filter you can choose you are not forced to play with this option, so what is the complaint about matching with anyone.

I hate that quick play doesn't allow infinite matches. In tekken 7, I had so many matches where I'd get washed the first two games and then download for the next 3+. I can understand best of 3 or so for ranked. Mostly because it helps promotes a lot of match up turn around in ranked, but I hate it for quick play

I remeber noticing losing more points against people higher rank than me and being confused, it wasn't in Tekken 7 because it literally makes no sense. It's really weird because it feels like anyone with a brain should see that and say "hey this doesn't seem right" but it's what they went with lmao

I KNEW I wasn't going crazy with the points. I was going crazy trying to figure out why it's terrible

They NEED to see this video and really absorb it

I don't like that you can't switch your character if you lose the first match

i really miss playing the same guy in quick match for like an hour man. in ranked a bo3 is better imo tho. you can always check replays after it, i quickly lab a move that blew you up or whatever

3:50 My favourite part of this video as it implies my opponent would EVER click rematch after they lost a single round

I swear I play quick match and do fairly decent but when I get in ranked they pair me with someone I struggle with and that’s BULLSHIT