That article is dated June 3rd. Popular German date formats look like DD.MM.YYYY or YYYY.MM.DD - the month is always in the middle.

A real private app would not be allowed on any big tech app store. All devices should be legally forced to allow sideloading. We used to just call that "installing."

"Illegal stuff is bad because it's against the law" What's sad is a lot of people actually believe that.

That article wasn't written in March, it was on 6/3/2020. In Germany the day gets set before the month

New slogan: "Only several megabytes of user data have been shared."

he fell for the dd/mm/yyyy trap

As we all know, the best encryption algorithm is ROT13, especially when applied twice.

The scariest thing about Europe to me as a german right now is this child protection act they are trying to get to fly. Meaning every messaging server then would have to allow an AI to scan trough a user's data to look for CP material, if they want to continue to operate in Europe. From what I understand anyways. Germany is apparently against that. The only way to avoid that to my knowledge is maybe via a service like threema. It doesn't even save images to your device unless you manually click to download, meaning the message stays encrypted. But that doesn't solve the problem of the AI still scanning your device. I don't want that. Because I think the argument that "why wouldn't you let someone look trough your stuff if you have nothing to hide" is bullshit. Maybe it's a work phone using WhatsApp that has sensitive company information. Maybe it's my own sensitive information like Screenshots of mobile banking stats or stuff like that. In the future the only way to have secure storage is cold storage or what.

"because the feds know that they glow brighter together" I'm reminded of temple OS everytime I hear that You should do a review on that! It'd be crazy to get an indepth dive on it from your POV

If even the German Police is able to do this successfully, then that means that anyone can.

another ‘private’ application thats not actually private?? nah……….

Telegram is just a normal chat app with the option of encryption. Nothing less, nothing more.

Telegram: "we value user privacy." German Polizei: **subpoena** Telegram: "Auf Deutschland! 🇩🇪"

It's already said that in Germany they use DMY date format, but it's the date format of the majority of the world.

How surprising another privacy based app showing its true colors of not being actually privacy based Please session, don't disappoint me.

From what I understand, you overstate telegrams glowieness a little. This "zero byres of user data" claim you're deboonking in the video refers to procedure of decrypting and disclosing the exact content of server-hosted messages. Now, there is another claim in telegram privacy statement that says: "If Telegram receives a court order that confirms you're a terror suspect, we may disclose your IP address and phone number to the relevant authorities. So far, this has never happened. When it does, we will include it in a semiannual transparency report published at: [link avoided for spam filter algorithm]." Thus, Phone number and IP address alone is what most likely meant in the article by "user data". Ask me, having an anonymous SIM card and not logging in using your home IP address is a must do no matter what communication method you're using for shady stuff. There isn't any report YET, however. If they end up not failing to provide one, then I see no contradiction taking place with what they claim. Except that their wording needs a little concretization.

Telegram glows like the sun. Everyone called me crazy. Who's laughing now!

privacy is a myth

I’ll start supporting your accounts in the Fall, guaranteed. You deserve so much I can’t give.

"Government honey pots at worst" *Wickr has entered the chat*

I don't really care about privacy but features, and Telegram is years ahead its competition in that department. Like it's a whole other world

10:41 "Don't do illegal shit (...) because illegal stuff is bad, because it's against the law." I'm fairly confident that was tongue in cheek, but it bears repeating: Don't confuse morality with legality. "In general, laws don't define right and wrong. Laws, at their best, attempt to implement justice. If the laws (the implementation) don't fit our ideas of right and wrong (the spec), the laws are what should change." I'm sure I don't have to provide an example to illustrate this. Just picture a member of victimized group living under an oppressive authoritarian regime and use your imagination.

This seems to be a violation of the GDPR. Hopefully someone sues over this blatant privacy breach

I read the original spiegel article and the related official stuff (their sources), and as far as i can tell telegram actually did nothing apart from promising greatest possible willingness to cooperate "Größtmögliche Kooperationsbereitschaft"... whatever that means. Maybe just the same data you mentioned in your other video.

Meanwhile at Signal HQ: "Hehehehehe, let's reply to the FBI's subpoena with unix timecode" Edit: oops, i posted this before signal was mentioned in the video

The article was not written in March. It's DD.MM.YYYY in Germany. So it's the 3rd of June, not the 6th of March.

If you look at the code for Signal server, it stores more than they claim. Also, when an account is 'deleted', its just tagged as deleted, the data remains.

Absolutly on point !!! Thanks 4 everything U do !!!

People in this comment section saying they never trusted Telegram seem to be forgetting that they have a Google account and use KZfaq.

That's great! He said illegal stuff is bad because it's against the law, implying that it wouldn't be bad if we didn't have the law making it bad.

Dude, your channel is so under rated!!!

Can you please link the sources, like news sites and articles in the description? I would like to read them while being lazy to search for them

If its on google play store there's no way its anonymous

Thanks for the info, Jayson Tatum.

You had me until "Don't do illegal stuff because it's against the law." Thanks, dad. 😂

I went to the comments to write about your misunderstanding of the way dates are written in most parts of the world but I see that a lot of others caught that too. To me, it’s the opposite. I always struggle to understand the American way of writing dates. Why does everything have to be different over there? 😂 That said it’s great that you make these videos. People need to understand that these companies write whatever they want to get users to join, but the only way to really judge them is their actions when presented with some kind of subpoena.

Sent over telegram to the only person i have added on telegram. Who forced me to use it. Seeya on signal, Lee!

What’s your recommendation for secure phone? Btw awesome videos, legend!

I knew telegram was sketchy. Long live signal!

I have coordinated several terrorist attacks through Minecraft wooden signs, the feds can’t trace it because I don’t let them play on my Minecraft server

Is there a competitor to Telegram which has similar bot functionality? I love writing Telegram bots for microapps because they have a nice API.

glad I'm not german

Telegram's standard chat is poorly implemented for sure, privacy wise.

It’s June 3rd , the rest of the world writes dd mm yyyy , also this was prévisible , for these apps to be in the App Store they need to accept certain criterias and giving info to govs is one of them Like you said the only way to make a private app is to not collect user data in the first place

Forgot exactly what is was, but I seem to remember there being something fishy with Signal, aside from the phone number issue, that came up a few months ago. Maybe something to do with their tight control over client apps, that rings a bell but Im not certain.

To be really resistant against feds, these apps would also have to encrypt the names and contact IDs of the people you talk to. That way if your phone gets confiscated and decrypted, there's not a whole lot of metadata they can pull off of it to figure out who you were communicating with.

shortcomings of signal: requires phone number, no support for 3rd party clients, electron desktop app, centralized network architecture, server partially proprietary.

Sure feels good to not have been meme'd into using neither Messenger, nor Telegram

So any updates on what was actually shared in the past few weeks? I'm curious if it's like signal where it's just nothing data, or if it's something worthwhile

Thanks to this video, I just downloaded Signal and renamed the installed to include: "the Chad of messaging apps". Mind you, I don't need it atm, but for when I will need a decent messaging programme, it will be there at the ready.

Mentaloutlaw: "here we have an article that was writen in 03.06.2022 ['Murican intensify]... in March" 90% of the world: 👁👄👁 yes March

But what user data did telegram give them

You should make an Spanish version of your channel bro. Pretty good content and very useful.

the comments are just correcting you on the date, I somehow thought you were british and so was very surprised

Whelp, I feared that this might happen but with all the shitting on Telegram the german media has done in the past couple years it was to be expected. Time to try and convince my family to move to Signal or Session I guess.

Did you know that the blue flag union has a new law that requires chat apps to have client side surveillance?

If it doesn't collect personal data then why does it need my phone number, if I pay for their version of discord' nitro where do my payment details go? They def collect data, you can't say they don't.

There is no such a thing as truly private messaging app.

10:03 Oh my lord, they flipped Holland's flag upside-down. Why?!

Phone numbers in signal are so you can see a list of your contacts who use it for wider adoption

The Deutschland flag ball looks so angry and intimidating, how could Telegram resist? 💪🤣

Ironically enough, I got an ad for some Microsoft security product on this video 😭

I remember when privacy was the norm... When you pretty much inherently had privacy because it wouldn't be destroyed by one idiot with an expensive machine to make calls being unable to leave it off his person.... Or because to bug a room would have wasted enough money to cause a senate oversight committee to ask questions.... Now people are more than happy to give up their privacy to be "TikTok famous" or for me to expect any true privacy(including from idiots taking random selfies) I have to wear a balaclava or a good, hat, dark sunglasses, and mask(that has someone else's bottom face half printed on it) just to be truly private in public on my way from privacy place A to privacy place B If it didn't kill the environment I'd randomly download files on the internet then encrypt them then upload them to random free file sharing sites... Just to waste man/computing power on useless stuff, since decrypting it without the key takes so much time and money, only to discover it's the complete works of Shakespeare... What ever happened to tin foil hat Linux? Boot from CD/dvd/USB/floppy(yes it was designed to be used by super old and new computers), van eck proof, always running random crypto processes in background, couldn't be connected to a network, all for encrypting and decrypting documents Ah the good ol days

I don't believe the Signal FBI story. Signal is able to collect a lot of meta data, like who is sending messages to whom. Signal only doesn't know the content of the message, but meta data is often enough.

Yo MO off topic but you've convinced me to switch to Linxus, Use Fdroid for newpipe on my phone to bypass adds on yt and download vids. You've shown me not to use javascript on tor. You shown me about apple automatically scanning peoples photos from thier cloud to check for chessy pizza. (Plus google photos do the same). You've shown me alot. Thank you. Also i got a P.OS win 8.1 laptop on the side that I'm trying to install Tails or Linxus or something onto but it keeps on preventing me to do so. Remember People. Never go full windows. Plus always use signal instead of Telegram and do not trust proton email. Now if you excuse me I'll be with my tinfoil hat and a Feraday bag.

I was wheezing for like a minute straight at just "ononymous"

I feel like Telegram is a sort of middle ground. Hell will freeze and thaw before I'm able to get my friends on Session. Signal, maybe. Telegram, however, is easy to convince people to get. The gimmicky features like Stickers are a nice attraction into the app, and it provides every feature you'd expect of a competent standard communication app; quick and easy messaging, file sharing, video and voice calling, group chats, etc. It's hard to convince even technically inclined people to move to more secure platforms, simply because no normie wants to give up their fancy features just so that they can hide things they don't feel the need to - as I've heard family say several times "I don't care if they watch me, I don't do anything I need to hide". Nobody wants to use a platform none of their associates are on, even us technically inclined people. I mean, here we are, with Google accounts. Most of you likely have Twitter or Facebook or something. Currently, any kind of security requires giving up a lot of features, which normies just won't accept. If the masses don't accept it, then it'll be a nerf even for those more in-the-know to use it. Honestly, since we have the source for the client, if somebody could build a open Telegram server, I think that'd be the easiest way to make more people secure. Hell, then if you were dedicated enough, you could likely swap the Signal library in, and remove need for phone numbers.

I was pretty sure this would happen eventually since Telegram became more and more popular in Germany, to me it's not a surprise at all, Telegram is accessible and easy to use and provides the best user experience out there of course it was meant to be targeted, people should use e2e decentralized messengers, but most people just don't care enough. Telegram is still fine to use imo if you use it correctly for a purpose that is not problematic

Sp in German is pronounced shp

Giga chad, what is your opinion on NixOS?

Huh, I`ve read an article a long time ago where it was written that Telegram refused to give it.

I fucking hate that we as a civilization have not yet come to an agreement on how to best represent date stamps... Either year or day first! (Preferably day imo) This would make it so obviously clear at a glance either way. Anytime I see this "month first" North America logic I wonder how long our species future will be lol.

Liebe Grüße von der Insel Rügen die sich mit der Zeit

I am currently developing an open source private chat that does not save any personal data. It uses asymmetric encryption to encrypt texts that only the recipient can decipher. No username, no password. All you use is a public key to determine your identity. The server is fully functional, however I'm still working on the front end (app). I'm debating whether I should make the repository public in it's current state.

Telegram also bend the knee to the Brazilian Supreme Court and deleted the profile of journalist Allan dos Santos, who was a critic of the court.

matrix being federated makes me like it.

8:42 oh wow the way Mental Outlaw pronounces "Spiegel" lmao

Damn, didn't know that just a week ago was all the way in march somehow

Nothing is safe. Nobody has privacy.

Can you do a video about KZfaq demonetizing theactman? This is very scary for creators

Most of the people use Telegram because it's technically comfortable and feature-full, not because it's secure. It's just "secure enough", but the main thing that attracts users is its functionality.

Funny thing is I actually _do_ have a shit ton of old phones laying around to use as burners and I have one dedicated for certain messaging apps.

Hey so what do you think of Element?

Comparing Telegram to Signal and Sessions is like comparing Facebook to SMS. Telegram is primarily a social media app, not a messaging app.

is matrix (element) good for privacy? it seems like it but im not 100% sure

Do you recommend any other apps/website to replace Telegram's channel service? Signal is great for one-on-one but can't do much else.

Great information!

Telegram should put a counter on how many bytes have been shared with 3rd parties. It's still not private, but at the very least they would be honest and transparent haha

Telegram is the main source of safe from government communications in Russia. Main thing for Russian customers is that servers are safe from Russian government. This app is really popular and have interesting history of founder who created first Russian social network and government just took it from him. And also telegram is just polished so fine as a service. Very convenient.

Checking the tracking number seems incredibly stupid to me. The reason being that if you're the vendor was a fed then they could just give you a tracking number and go raid whoever checks that tracking number.

At this moment Signal is the most hypocrite one until they don't need your phone number 😅

Signal needs to get rid of last connection time. That could convict someone maybe innocent of online criminal activity, when in fact they might have been checking a message or talking shit with a bud

Signal requires phone number so it's a big no. Session or Briar are better options.

I'm actually... thankful for that.

The only source for this currently is "Der Spiegel" - not known for being a very reliable source.

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I wonder how much of that data they got was furry yiff kekw

I've always imagined a great way to message/email is to create an app that uses PGP/GPG. It's simple and can encrypt anything. I think Dino is this way...

wait if its open source why not change it to work like session

Good, now they could start using Signal like a real man.