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Terrible Writing Advice

Terrible Writing Advice

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Let Terrible Writing Advice introduce you to the exciting and high stakes world of fan shipping! Gatekeeping, arguing, death threats, learn all the essential skills that any shipper needs to send a fandom down into a death spiral.
TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Introduction
01:16 Shippers gonna ship
01:53 No romantic endgame
02:36 Surrender to the shippers
02:53 Boring canon
03:48 Ship sinking
04:36 Starting a shipping war
05:46 Fan shipping etiquette
06:34 Ship to ship combat
07:31 Shipping fics
09:15 When not to ship
09:51 Epilogue ship sinking
10:37 Sponsorship Wars season finale
14:03 Outro
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@jjump01
@jjump01 2 жыл бұрын
The first shippers before books and entertainment were parents trying to ship their children with others.
@pumpkin2986
@pumpkin2986 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@Amy_the_Lizard
@Amy_the_Lizard 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the ancient art of match making
@louisduarte8763
@louisduarte8763 2 жыл бұрын
The more I think about it, the more I realize Brooklyn 99's Charles Boyle was an in-universe shipper of Jake and Amy. Upping his creepiness.
@wilcowen6284
@wilcowen6284 2 жыл бұрын
True
@user-oj3xr8fy5v
@user-oj3xr8fy5v 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@user-pd1bd8bt6t
@user-pd1bd8bt6t 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely adore how you say "This *show* made for *children* " with so much suppressed anger
@ElvenRaptor
@ElvenRaptor 2 жыл бұрын
He can see the bronies through the internet.
@ShadowSorel
@ShadowSorel 2 жыл бұрын
*ATLA flashbacks*
@sempersolus5511
@sempersolus5511 2 жыл бұрын
*I* adore how he's not talking about any particular show, so that line will always be relevant.
@WhiteFangofWar
@WhiteFangofWar 2 жыл бұрын
'This show about Children's Card Games where people ship two characters who constantly express strong dislike for each other, because of course it's merely concealing romantic passion!'
@noobmasterruben5167
@noobmasterruben5167 2 жыл бұрын
STVFOE & VOLTRON flashbacks
@goros2289
@goros2289 2 жыл бұрын
The part about shipping in “shows made for children” is literally Miraculous Ladybug in a nutshell. I find it incredible how both adults and children often come together on Reddit to defend their ships on 15 year old fictional characters, who have terribly written romantic interactions in the source material.
@floricel_112
@floricel_112 2 жыл бұрын
That whole show is basically "shipping war" the show though, right? Not to be confused with the actual "shipping wars" show on history
@nightigal
@nightigal 2 жыл бұрын
It's worst because everyone is fighting over four different ships that are actually one ship which was bad enough on its own until the writers introduce side pairings that made the whole thing messier than it already was. Good thing I grew up enough to stop caring
@palookadventures5694
@palookadventures5694 2 жыл бұрын
It's almost like plenty of other people have ideas on how a good ML story could actually go, put their ideas onto paper, and then put it on the internet for others to see. Crazy concept.
@rhinosaur9636
@rhinosaur9636 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like Miraculous is more an example of what happens when the money making corporate side and the creative sides of creating shows don’t agree. ML is super drawn out by now, the original idea that gathered the fan base in the first place is beaten into the ground with no shakeup of the status quo, but if you actually have a good, planned ending, the corporate side loses their cash cow. A shame really, the original concept is good, but the later stuff doesn’t really expand on the secret identity aspect that made the first two seasons alright. It’s just “no one can know!” and they leave it at that
@slevinchannel7589
@slevinchannel7589 2 жыл бұрын
Unlike Shiping, Science vs Science-Denial actually affects real People. Lots of them, but I aint sure if the Averaga Joe knows that.
@pancakes8670
@pancakes8670 2 жыл бұрын
When I was younger and taking part in shipping wars, I started going "fuck it" at one point and making my own characters to ship together and oh my goodness it was infinitely more fun That's how I got into writing. I'm not proud of it, but that's my story
@Newfiecat
@Newfiecat 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, that's legit. Good for you. 👍 As stressful as writing is, I can imagine it being a heckuva lot less stressful than fighting a shipping war.
@AshdorCrush9000
@AshdorCrush9000 2 жыл бұрын
Like literally, making your own characters is SOOO much better. Best of all, you can insert yourself into it with no reprocussions.
@lleer00na.79
@lleer00na.79 Жыл бұрын
Based
@lightningpenguin8937
@lightningpenguin8937 Жыл бұрын
@@AshdorCrush9000 well you can always kill your self insert for plot.
@filelost9194
@filelost9194 Жыл бұрын
Well, you gotta start somewhere
@nitrocharge2404
@nitrocharge2404 2 жыл бұрын
Shipping is arguably the most profitable, yet dangerous creative decisions a writer can make
@animationdude9
@animationdude9 2 жыл бұрын
This is honestly the best way to describe shipping
@undeadblizzard
@undeadblizzard 2 жыл бұрын
I am still mad Toph and Aang didn't become a Power Couple.
@animationdude9
@animationdude9 2 жыл бұрын
@@undeadblizzard . . . . wait what
@undeadblizzard
@undeadblizzard 2 жыл бұрын
@@animationdude9 Yes. A Butch and a Femme come on.
@animationdude9
@animationdude9 2 жыл бұрын
@@undeadblizzard No, how are you still mad about that after the show ended _almost 15 years ago?_
@abdullahelnaas4473
@abdullahelnaas4473 2 жыл бұрын
The most toxic ships I've ever seen were when degenerates shipped real people (Looking at you Markiplier x Jacksepticeye shippers)
@scardycat4462
@scardycat4462 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, many of those people are young and probably don't know better, which I admit doesn't excuse them. Thankfully most grow up and see the error of their ways and change for the better.
@Little1Cave
@Little1Cave 2 жыл бұрын
Or Dan Avidan x Arin Hanson shippers. Especially when they explicitly stated that they are uncomfortable with it. Dan has a girlfriend and Arin has a wife for goodness sakes.
@pikminman13
@pikminman13 2 жыл бұрын
the only time its ok is if youre just supporting the real relationship that already exists. which really is only pseudo shipping but you get the point. you simply want to see a couple be happy.
@dymaxion3988
@dymaxion3988 2 жыл бұрын
Even if it’s with characters that are fictional, but used by someone to represent themselves, it crosses a line. Actors in a movie might not care that much about fanfiction of their characters, but a vtuber might not appreciate someone shipping their avatar without permission. But streamers and youtube personalities, with the huge overlap between their ‘on-air characters’ and real selves, definitely make for the grossest ship fiction.
@pikminman13
@pikminman13 2 жыл бұрын
@@dymaxion3988 i think that comes down to vtubers portraying their character they made, while actors are portraying someone else's character. but you know, we live in a world where people draw r34 of real people, some people have no limits.
@Glisten456
@Glisten456 Жыл бұрын
Two characters: Look in each other's general direction for exactly one frame Shippers: Now THAT is some romantic tension!
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 Жыл бұрын
2 characters show actual romantic tension. Shippers: They're just friends.
@jarlathquinn2628
@jarlathquinn2628 9 ай бұрын
Ah yes Robute gilliman x yvairne
@SkullQueen33
@SkullQueen33 7 ай бұрын
This unleashed deep forgotten memories of my youth, when I watched an Inuyasha episode and someone comented something among the lines of: "Oh! Look at the way Sesshomaru looks at Kagome... He clearly respects and loves her more than anything in the world~!💕" ... For those who don't know, Sesshomaru is kinda of a side-quest antagonist for the male MC and he and Kagome (the main girl character) barely even talk at eachother for the entirety of the anime. Oh, and the frame this person was pointing out was one when Sesshomaru wasn't even looking at her; he was looking (and _talking_) to another person right behind Kagome's back.
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
Ahsoka Tv series; Wolfwren in a nutshell.
@IAmAlpharius20
@IAmAlpharius20 5 ай бұрын
​@@jarlathquinn2628 HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY HERESY
@Attaxalotl
@Attaxalotl 2 жыл бұрын
“A romantic relationship in a SHOW MADE FOR CHILDREN. Th stakes couldn’t be higher!” “Remove it with all the Grace and subtly usually reserved for the Nevada Test Site” “The best way to sink ships is with unrestricted submarine warfare” This video is gold.
@anthonyschlott916
@anthonyschlott916 Жыл бұрын
"How should fans deal with fans of a rival ship? Well obviously, they must die!"
@salt_factory7566
@salt_factory7566 2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget the Pearl Harbor reference
@thechroniclegamer4285
@thechroniclegamer4285 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the true way to stop unwanted shippings *Unrestricted Submarine Warfare* As someone who is part German I approve
@thunderblood6603
@thunderblood6603 2 жыл бұрын
I do love my World War I references in KZfaq comment sections.
@thechroniclegamer4285
@thechroniclegamer4285 2 жыл бұрын
@@thunderblood6603 they’re great
@CrazyMazapan
@CrazyMazapan 2 жыл бұрын
Let me guess. Your great great great great great great grandfather was German.
@joshuabessire9169
@joshuabessire9169 2 жыл бұрын
Tom Clancy stopped shipping in his story by having the Soviets take Iceland.
@metaparalysis3441
@metaparalysis3441 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuabessire9169 let me guess, no one heard from greenland ever again
@lionorfieldgules3740
@lionorfieldgules3740 2 жыл бұрын
"The entire TWA expanded universe is, in fact, one giant advertisement." Imagine how it would feel to be told your world is an ad.
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, man that *would* be devastating. I'd want to grab the character by the lapels and (shaking vigorously) ask, with a mood between despair, confusion and rage: *"What the sam hill are we even ADVERTISING?! There isn't even the slightest bit of common narrative threads or obvious product placement!* XD
@kingofflamingos4344
@kingofflamingos4344 2 жыл бұрын
I would probably demand a loyalty check on the spot.
@somethingclever4297
@somethingclever4297 2 жыл бұрын
I would feel depressed. BUT THEN I WOULD HAVE FUN BY PLAYING RAID SHADOW LEGENDS.
@aaronimp4966
@aaronimp4966 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine dedicating your life by oath to fighting ads, and THEN finding out your world is an ad.
@outlaweddrifter5172
@outlaweddrifter5172 2 жыл бұрын
I would demand from whatever individual that made this ad royalties.
@USBearForce
@USBearForce 2 жыл бұрын
9:15 "I'm afraid we have to be lovers, that's the only kind of relationship emotionally stunted shippers can imagine." That line. *Chef's kiss*. Heaven forbid two characters be in a relationship not driven by a desire to rub reproductive organs together.
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 Жыл бұрын
It's quite worrying that shippers think that unless you want to have sex with, date or marry someone you don't care about them in any way.
@xrrgr
@xrrgr Жыл бұрын
I guess it depends. I don’t really see shipping 2 characters as meaning you aren’t capable of enjoying their relationship as friendship or as rivalry, I think it just means you would also enjoy it in a romantic context. But I see that some people can get obsessive about it.
@pelkitrelki1751
@pelkitrelki1751 11 ай бұрын
People often underestimate and overlook the sheer thematic and emotional power that platonic relationship can have in a story over a romantic one, a sense of brotherhood, sisterhood, or siblinghood between 2 or more characters coming from different backgrounds that learn to care about eachother in a way that not based on trying to get in their pants, which in my opinion definitely beats out a romantic endgame
@pelkitrelki1751
@pelkitrelki1751 11 ай бұрын
While I’m not saying that every character relationships have to end in a platonic way, in my opinion platonic relationships have a special kind of love and care that romantic doesn’t have
@apocalypseofplush
@apocalypseofplush 9 ай бұрын
I made an OC who has a crush on a canon character and I only ship them platonically because I HC the canon character to not be interested in romantic relationships whatsoever, which is also why I ship the canon character with no one romantically, not even other people’s OCs.
@shrekatemyonions
@shrekatemyonions 2 жыл бұрын
Just remember to do what Danganronpa shippers do-actively ignore how characters feel about each other in canon, ship based on rough caricatures of what you want characters to be versus how they actually are, and react with vitriol when someone disagrees with that ship!
@isauldron4337
@isauldron4337 2 жыл бұрын
And make a Lot of characters gay for no reason
@rainstarsworld9429
@rainstarsworld9429 2 жыл бұрын
Don't tell DR fans that there are no canon ships, at least when it comes to any characters from the games which mad props to the creators for abstaining from that, it leaves a ton of room for fans to get creative with rarepairs and stuff lol
@finaldusk1821
@finaldusk1821 2 жыл бұрын
It's not like people came to enjoy the characters because of, you know, their character! Personality traits are totally interchangeable after all! I'm sure making the manipulative egotist and the optimistic heart-of-the-group be in a commited romantic relationship won't in any way undermine the reasons fans came to like those characters in the first place, or otherwise stick up a middle finger at the source material!
@floricel_112
@floricel_112 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, let DR fans have their fun. Two thirds of their casts always end up dead by the end of the games anyway
@The_GhostWind
@The_GhostWind 2 жыл бұрын
@@rainstarsworld9429 weeeell technically speaking there were some canon ships in V3, two to be exact… and they were the incestual ones… and I wish i had those MIB mind wipping devices so I can erase that from my memory.
@wiipose3568
@wiipose3568 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that shipping is 100% necessary, all of the time, regardless of genre or having it add even anything to the plot. And it is also forbidden to have two characters of the opposite sex be 'just friends', no matter how much it takes away from the characters development by having them closer to their friends than love interest. If the pairing was originally supposed to be platonic, always remember to suddenly change it to romance at the very last minute with no foreshadowing whatsoever. Because we all know that it's impossible to have a conversation with without it ending in make out session.
@zappodude7591
@zappodude7591 2 жыл бұрын
Forget that, no characters of the *same* sex should be friends! Also, no relationship should be self-contained, everyone should be jealous of everyone else all the time!
@gauntlettcf5669
@gauntlettcf5669 2 жыл бұрын
In recent times, the "opposite sex" thing has become irrelevant, trust me. Nobody can have normal friends of any kind. If the character are even just 1% close to someone, it HAS to be subtext romance and sexual desire, no matter about gender, sexuality, age, character background, NOTHING. And of course, with the most recent patch of insanity that is spreading like a disease (at least in the fandoms I'm in, sadly), if more than 2 people are anywhere near close, then it MUST BE REPRESENTATION FOR POLYROMANTIC RELATIONSHIPS. I've seen people unironically claiming this for the main group of friends in the new animation film "Red". It shows obvious "polyromantic platonic relationship" subtext, come on! It's not like friendships exist for real anyway, right? Or is it just me who has never had any??? Impossible, the reality is that EVERYTHING IS ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SUBTEXT 🤪 And even if one of the characters already has a significant other, there's no trouble, they'll all be able to arrange a big, loving org* anyway! Sex must be the only way of interaction between humans, am I right? I wouldn't know, I haven't interacted with other real humans in so long...
@crr4482
@crr4482 2 жыл бұрын
@@gauntlettcf5669 What no way! are you telling me the random horny guy on twitter might have terrible social skills and might be projecting their kinks? Thats impossible
@megarotom1590
@megarotom1590 2 жыл бұрын
I agree...fandoms look way into deep friendships and put ships where there is like very little to know room for it. *cough cough* Ace attorney *cough cough*
@sirkillalot9892
@sirkillalot9892 2 жыл бұрын
@@megarotom1590 Like that franchise has barely any romance besides like maybe Gumshoe and Maggey, a few examples basically for a 'main character. Although I find all the Wrightworth art to be humorous.
@SpaceMonkeyBoi
@SpaceMonkeyBoi 2 жыл бұрын
The most beautiful form of shipping is when the soulless corporation decides to give in to the demands of deranged teenagers and make the girl magically fall in love with the man who tried to kill her the whole time. (I'm looking at you, Reylo shippers...)
@pickyphysicsstudent201
@pickyphysicsstudent201 2 жыл бұрын
I heard that some of the Reylo fans actually wanted Adam Driver & Daisy Ridley to get together IRL. To the point of wanting them to break up Adam's marriage. I know its just words on the internet but come on, people! What is wrong with you?
@teal_m_101
@teal_m_101 2 жыл бұрын
Ewww.
@cameronspencer9619
@cameronspencer9619 2 жыл бұрын
Nope… I realized that it would inevitably end up that way during _The Last Jedi_ when I realized-they were obsessed with each other. And of course, in this world, the only natural next step from obsession is romance. 😒 During _Force Awakens,_ I thought Rey/Finn was nice, and then they turned Finn into a useless character and made it clear it wouldn’t happen. So now, the only ship I have is Han/Leia.
@tale7955
@tale7955 2 жыл бұрын
@@cameronspencer9619 What a nice thing from Disney that their white female character shows interest into a poc character just so said poc character turns into a bland misrepresentation of what it used to be and then here he comes the rich, white, buffed dude to save the ship from sinking.
@atheist2025
@atheist2025 2 жыл бұрын
I can one up that. Odd1sout and Jaden animations
@eggy6815
@eggy6815 2 жыл бұрын
You’ll be happy to know that the My Hero Academia fandom followed all of your advice in this video! Allow me offer you my congratulations... and condolences.
@SlapstickGenius23
@SlapstickGenius23 2 жыл бұрын
Hoo boy, the Mazinger fandom is actually remarkably civil for a (barely technically) fifty year old fandom. Even better is that the oldest surviving Mazinger fans have become grandparents already.
@rizkiramadhan9266
@rizkiramadhan9266 Жыл бұрын
Bonus points for it being a show not for children
@hamishgoeden7852
@hamishgoeden7852 Жыл бұрын
Bakugo: "I hate you. Go die in a hole." Shippers: "oh my god they're in loooove!"
@kidcircuit1955
@kidcircuit1955 11 ай бұрын
At least it was the fandom and not the writers. *GLARES AT ROOSTER TEETH*
@eeveeofalltrades4780
@eeveeofalltrades4780 10 ай бұрын
Not just that, they started following it before he even made the video. That's how good this advice is.
@toriistorii6939
@toriistorii6939 2 жыл бұрын
Obsessed with the way this man says "a *show* made for *chhhildren*" Also I enjoy my ships as much as the next person, and god I have to say that it's absurd how much people will get mad over them (note: people with any decent common sense won't get upset). Hell, in the Miraculous Ladybug fandom, people will choose their favorite ship of *four* ships between *two* people. It's ridiculous lmao
@starburst98
@starburst98 2 жыл бұрын
The love square
@PhoenixAgent003
@PhoenixAgent003 2 жыл бұрын
Okay but legit MariChat is the best iteration of the love square, because they’re both jist comfortable and casual with each other.
@krishnavinesh5638
@krishnavinesh5638 2 жыл бұрын
idc if you like this dynamic of the exact same two people together i ship them with entirely different people
@ganii1804
@ganii1804 2 жыл бұрын
@@starburst98 the love dodecahedron, the final stage of the trope
@delusion5867
@delusion5867 Жыл бұрын
@@ganii1804 but wait, have you heard of the love tesseract or, perhaps, the love pentahedroid or if we're getting even more fancy, a love hexadecachoron?
@bubbasbigblast8563
@bubbasbigblast8563 2 жыл бұрын
"Alright, sell me on this pairing." "Well, he's hot...and she's a nerd who's just an average person...who's also actually hot." "And they share common interests?" "..uh..." "Surely they have SOMETHING in common? Like, if they were talking together, there's a topic they would both like, right? " "Well, they both kinda like Breakfast at Tiffany's, I guess?" "..good grief."
@CombatSportsNerd
@CombatSportsNerd 2 жыл бұрын
I swear to God it’s like some of these writers have never been in or seen a relationship before
@pygmalion0451
@pygmalion0451 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh, a Deep Blue Something reference. Those are rare
@astracrits4633
@astracrits4633 2 жыл бұрын
I swear most shippers have never actually seen a member of the opposite sex also, nice pfp *B U D D Y*
@wariodude128
@wariodude128 2 жыл бұрын
As I recall, I think they both sort of liked it. Seems like that's the one thing they've got.
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 2 жыл бұрын
"Plus, their chemistry is like, amazing. He said 'hello' once and she said 'hello' back!! They are absolutely in love with each other!!"
@GreenChillZone
@GreenChillZone 2 жыл бұрын
I cannot overstate my relief that The Owl House waited to introduce the morally conflicted, insecure, brooding, bad boy until after Lumity was certain to be inevitable. You know that if Hunter was around in season one that the Lunter vs. Lumity wars would have been devastating.
@Nai-qk4vp
@Nai-qk4vp 2 жыл бұрын
Well, thankfully that did not happen. Also, Eda and Raine are another possible pairing. They seem to still have feelings for eachother. It could be part of a well kade character arc to perhaps see them coming closer together again, Eda learning to manage her curse better and all of that.
@justineberlein5916
@justineberlein5916 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, Luz *is* canonically bi... But yeah. She and her tomato girlfriend are too cute together
@ligtningdog6399
@ligtningdog6399 2 жыл бұрын
That's wont stop some people from losing the freaking minds.
@saphiriathebluedragonknight375
@saphiriathebluedragonknight375 2 жыл бұрын
Eh. I still kind of ship Luz with Hunter. The only reason I'm not all in on it is because I'm confident Hunter is going to die.
@animationdude9
@animationdude9 2 жыл бұрын
@@ligtningdog6399 Yeah it’s really pathetic
@crazyeeveelady3636
@crazyeeveelady3636 Жыл бұрын
*Peanut Butter and Jelly:* The pairing that the story constantly builds up and hints at, perhaps even the canon pairing. Kind of basic, but still cute and sweet enough to have a decently popular fan following. (Ex: Aang x Katara) *Peanut Butter and Chocolate:* A pairing that is based on two character's interactions with each other and their dynamic. Has an 85% chance of not being a canon pairing, mostly exists within fan circles and fanfiction. (Ex: Katara x Zuko) *Peanut Butter and Vanilla Wafers:* Can be a fandom-based pairing of characters based on elements such as design appeal, similar powers, ect. that is ultimately shallow and not very interesting. Or a canon pairing that the creators add in when the characters have no apparent chemistry to be found aka "Pair the spares." (Ex: Jack Harkness x Donna Noble) *Peanut Butter and Bleach:* Canon pairing that either does not make sense in canon, or the pairing in question is being written as a toxic pairing (intentional or not) Does not tend to have fans, instead often garners haters who will argue one character or another is an abuser ect ect. The creators will still believe it's a valid ship, even after writing the Bleach openly gaslighting Peanut Butter. (Ex: Bramblestar x Squirrelflight)
@adenosine2electricboogaloo647
@adenosine2electricboogaloo647 Жыл бұрын
Are you making these names up now?
@reddytoplay9188
@reddytoplay9188 Жыл бұрын
@@adenosine2electricboogaloo647 I searched and bramblestar is real
@aturchomicz821
@aturchomicz821 Жыл бұрын
Fuckin Fascinating comment
@cullenlatham2366
@cullenlatham2366 Жыл бұрын
yeah, still have no shame in thinking "zutara" had more potential than "kataang", but i am not the type to go to war over it. Aang was crushing hard (to the point of puppy love), and protag powers willed it into existence, but katara does nothing to reciprocate up until it was time for the ship's endgame. Works fine, but zuko had so many foil traits that it is hard to ignore the potential. Either way, they are all kids, and romance is not their first priority, even more so with the complications of war. "kataang" is serviceable, but bland. "zutara" is a dynamic that was under-explored, where age actually works in favor of the idea. If the gaang was a bit older with a better understanding of intimate, romantic love, would things have been different? Answer: who cares! Enjoy your favorite ships regardless of canon, as long as you are not forcing it onto others.
@cullenlatham2366
@cullenlatham2366 Жыл бұрын
@@YEY0806 i wont spend long fighting it. Like i said, it does not matter in the end. Yes, she does love aang back, but it is also important to keep in mind the different types of love. Aang was already crushing long before katara had any interest romantically, and the episode that awoke her feelings very much reads as hand of the author pushing them together (fortune teller). It is an issue of reciprocation, as katara shows none until the story is nearly finished and needs to wrap up the loose end, with any previous tenative moments to push the relationship being far easier to read as close friends or a sibling-like relationship (heck, team aavatar is a very blatant found family; a sibling dynamic is not that weird). Yes, zutara had less (crossroads as the only concrete point), but it has the "opposites attract" trope going for it, which is filled with untapped chemistry. Either way, romance was one of the lowest priority subplots of the show, and it is not the reason most watched. I said it before, i was satisfied with kataang, but i could not help but wonder about the potential of zutara, especially if worldly circumstances were different (the 2 major ones being the relationship between age and understanding romance, and the necessary greater threat of a world war/genocide that pushes all other matters to the side.)
@davidci
@davidci Жыл бұрын
Never forget the time a Steven Universe fan-artist was given cookies with needles that pierced their tongue over a goddamn ship
@bepisthescienceman4202
@bepisthescienceman4202 Жыл бұрын
It was undertale fan artist
@TheHydrakeHydra
@TheHydrakeHydra Жыл бұрын
Oh jeez. When did that happen??
@goldenproject1892
@goldenproject1892 Жыл бұрын
@@TheHydrakeHydraThere was an artist who either drew Soriel (Sans the funny bone man shipped with the former queen of the underground) or Frans (funny bone man shipped with a literal child) who went to a convention and got a cookie with needles in it from someone who hated the ship. Had to go to the hospital, I think
@TheHydrakeHydra
@TheHydrakeHydra Жыл бұрын
@@goldenproject1892 I did find out about, but thanks anyways and… damn.
@poweroffriendship2.0
@poweroffriendship2.0 Жыл бұрын
To be honest, it's an Undertale artist who did it.
@sku1cru5er17
@sku1cru5er17 2 жыл бұрын
I actually thought this was going to cover logistics, I was not prepared for an indepth look into the art of shipping.
@hmswarspite1064
@hmswarspite1064 2 жыл бұрын
Drachinifel has a 50 minute long video on naval logistics, perhaps that could sprak your interest.
@conferzero2915
@conferzero2915 2 жыл бұрын
@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you! I had myself excited for a logistics video, so those look great!
@stevemcgroob4446
@stevemcgroob4446 2 жыл бұрын
That would have made a good April fools joke.
@k9builder
@k9builder 2 жыл бұрын
I work in logistics, this sounds like typical office drama. Glad I work outside loading flatbed trailers.
@kpmh2001
@kpmh2001 2 жыл бұрын
@@hmswarspite1064 Thank you Warspite, btw, big fan of your work. Sorry they tried to scrap you, great injustice!
@michaellewis1545
@michaellewis1545 2 жыл бұрын
I miss the days when I honestly thought shipping was about actually warships. In my defense a lot of ships name sound like a Japanese Imperial destroy.
@silverprimus321boi9
@silverprimus321boi9 2 жыл бұрын
lmao same man
@anon6000
@anon6000 2 жыл бұрын
Amusingly, Rei Ayanami and Asuka Langley Sohryu's surnames are literally that of a destroyer and two aircraft carriers.
@peterwindhorst5775
@peterwindhorst5775 2 жыл бұрын
@@anon6000 and 90% of the cast as well named after ships, parts, etc.
@lamarepository248
@lamarepository248 2 жыл бұрын
Then you’ll love to know about kantai collection.
@justineberlein5916
@justineberlein5916 2 жыл бұрын
Like ズタラ?
@morganmiller41
@morganmiller41 2 жыл бұрын
Also the sub-side of shipping, The Best Girl Wars. There's usually a big one every year. Do the fans care about the dude they're shipping her with? HELL NO he could be switched out with a houseplant. What matters is their best girl win this wooden board of a man.
@somethingclever4297
@somethingclever4297 2 жыл бұрын
@@CCLOSPINA other fan:it's simple. Main character is just generic enough that we can easily project onto him.
@bepisthescienceman4202
@bepisthescienceman4202 2 жыл бұрын
And if best girl gets with another girl they'll just ignorince the love interest out of existence
@federationprime
@federationprime 2 жыл бұрын
Some of those conflicts have raged since the 90s, with no sign of slowing down or coming close to stopping. And I have participated.
@s3studios597
@s3studios597 2 жыл бұрын
Or in other words literally the basis of like 90% of harem anime/manga/LNs/VNs. Like quite literally to the point of many VNs literally having nameless/faceless protagonists who barely even speak.
@PeruvianPotato
@PeruvianPotato Жыл бұрын
I can only name like 2 harem anime where people actually want the guy to score w the best girl
@carbodude5414
@carbodude5414 2 жыл бұрын
The worst kind of shipping you can do is setting up multiple scenes of two characters having implied romantic interest towards each other only to set them up with completely different characters that they've barely had any screen time with at the last minute **glares at Digimon 02**
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
The ending of Harry Potter with many secondary characters.
@pumpkin2986
@pumpkin2986 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t mind shipping. It can be fun, cute and just a nice if you want to read two interesting characters get together. Ship wars are dumb. I don’t give a shit if someone else has a different pairing than me, why the fuck should I care? You do you. I don’t mind shipping (in smaller doses), but I avoid the discussions with a wide margin.
@darkpinkgirl6684
@darkpinkgirl6684 2 жыл бұрын
ukr, ship wars get toxic as fuck real fast. And if you don't like/ship a ship others like, they hate you like you had just insulted their entire being like- i'm just trying to enjoy the fandom too, chillax
@animationdude9
@animationdude9 2 жыл бұрын
Wise decision
@kamikazesenpai21
@kamikazesenpai21 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. And somehow I end up in the fandoms with crazy ship wars (Ash x Misty vs Ash x Serena, Zutara vs Kataang, and Reylo vs Damerey vs Rey x Finn)
@pumpkin2986
@pumpkin2986 2 жыл бұрын
@@darkpinkgirl6684 legit the wisest words for any fandom can live by: Chillax
@sxwriter8569
@sxwriter8569 2 жыл бұрын
@@kamikazesenpai21 I agree. Misty's not my favorite Poke Girl and I prefer Ash x Serena, but I still like Misty and people who want her and Ash together, I got no beef with that.
@kieranmahon4382
@kieranmahon4382 2 жыл бұрын
7:59 "Hinata and Sakura both tragically died in a 'who is the most useless' contest". That's great. I love it. It's just so...I don't know. Exactly the kind of thing someone in real life would write in a fanfiction. 😂
@user-pd6ze4lf4s
@user-pd6ze4lf4s 2 жыл бұрын
Sakura is not useless tho
@TheDiscoGenre
@TheDiscoGenre 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-pd6ze4lf4s Nice cope
@user-pd6ze4lf4s
@user-pd6ze4lf4s 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDiscoGenre Its just facts. There wouldn't be Boruto without her
@lewisdelamare2831
@lewisdelamare2831 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-pd6ze4lf4s And that's a good thing?
@user-pd6ze4lf4s
@user-pd6ze4lf4s 2 жыл бұрын
@@lewisdelamare2831 Yeah. Ppl gotta wake up and realize that their precious Mc and loads of characters would be dead if it wasnt for her but too bad they're still in the "Sakura is useless " phase
@LanieMae
@LanieMae 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the “calling another other ship you don’t like toxic” drama
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
Bonus points, if the ship you support is even more toxic. Example: "I hate the Naruhina, because I consider that she is too co-dependent on him and submissive, on the other hand, I support the Narusasu, where Naruto acts like an obsessive and co-dependent person on a guy who has tried to kill him"
@wireseatsgarlic
@wireseatsgarlic 2 жыл бұрын
Jokes aside tho, I've seen atleast 2 times where the reveal of characters being related absolutely destroyed shippers and it was so satisfying because both times I hated the ships
@TheCoolCryptid
@TheCoolCryptid Жыл бұрын
What ships and fandom?
@welwitschia3756
@welwitschia3756 7 ай бұрын
​@@TheCoolCryptidI guess we'll never know
@allisonstarr6074
@allisonstarr6074 7 ай бұрын
@@welwitschia3756Maybe they were a Han x Leía shipper?
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
Examples I can think of are Leia, and a certain duck girl who turned out to be a clone.
@allisonstarr6074
@allisonstarr6074 7 ай бұрын
@@CCLOSPINA oh yeah. I’m glad I never shipped her with anyone haha
@teal_m_101
@teal_m_101 2 жыл бұрын
Always remember that in the story, the female deuteragonist should always be shipped with the worst possible love interest. Had the bad boy antagonist been distant and/or emotionally manipulative of her? Probably. Should she care? Absolutely not! Even at the point of victory, she should never ACTUALLY defeat the bad boy antagonist because she loved him so much to leave herself vulnerable. Beating the antagonist is the hero's job! Does it completely contradict her character? Eh, whatever. Shipping points are what we need, not a cohesive story nor an actually strong and relatable female character.
@aionicthunder
@aionicthunder 2 жыл бұрын
Look, okay, it was portrayed as a horribly toxic relationship that both of them would be better if they didn’t get together. Problem is actually getting her to back up and see what exactly he does to her by calling her trash repeatedly (he does that to everybody)
@issacalleyne8665
@issacalleyne8665 2 жыл бұрын
Are we taking about Sakura, or someone else?
@k9builder
@k9builder 2 жыл бұрын
Did you just describe Twilight?
@eduardopantoja9115
@eduardopantoja9115 2 жыл бұрын
@@k9builder I was thinking Sauske and Sakura but they probably meant Twilight
@MagpieDynamics
@MagpieDynamics 2 жыл бұрын
Reylo...
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 2 жыл бұрын
This endless online debate is why I only support the most patrician and intellectual ships, like Crookshanks x Mrs. Norris.
@generalcatkaa5864
@generalcatkaa5864 2 жыл бұрын
I have just discovered my new favorite (and only) ship.
@sempersolus5511
@sempersolus5511 2 жыл бұрын
TARDIS x Magic School Bus forever.
@somethingclever4297
@somethingclever4297 2 жыл бұрын
Those names sound familiar. What are they from.
@nataliebell6760
@nataliebell6760 2 жыл бұрын
@@somethingclever4297 Crookshanks & Mrs. Norris are cats from Harry Potter.
@valhatan3907
@valhatan3907 2 жыл бұрын
@@nataliebell6760 dammit and I thought it was something else
@kirstenpaff8946
@kirstenpaff8946 2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, someone is a traumatized veteran of the great Avatar Shipping War. That being said, shipping can be a lot of fun, as long as you keep the following ground rules in mind: 1. Don't be a jerk to others if you disagree with their ships. You can have endless nerdy debates about the ships, but attacking someone over their preferred ship is just rude. 2. The best way to disagree with a creator's shipping decision is to make good fanfiction/fan art show casing why your ship is compelling, not attacking the creator and writing long "think" pieces about how the creator is the worst. 3. Don't ship real people. It's creepy. Real people start and end romantic relationships for many reasons, most of which you are not privy to. Their lives are not yours to play make belief with.
@glanni
@glanni 2 жыл бұрын
I agree to these points. I like shipping, I don't do it often because characters need to have something special to really get to me (and I don't have the best fantasy to fill in the gaps tbh), but it's fun to see as long as it's in a friendly and level-headed manner. It could be just like any other hobby. Unfortunately I think people just get actually super hormonal over ships and that's why they become so angry. Projection is one hell of a drug, and so is romance. Edit: I do have a few ships that I like a lot though, don't get me wrong.
@Newfiecat
@Newfiecat 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent rules! Yes!
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 2 жыл бұрын
“Don’t ship real people” Marriage rates drop to 0%!
@glanni
@glanni 2 жыл бұрын
@@emblemblade9245 Ok, how about "Don't ship real people unless you're one of the parties involved"? And probably "*and when the other party consents" (depending on whether 'shipping' means just having a crush or actually trying to be with them).
@AshdorCrush9000
@AshdorCrush9000 2 жыл бұрын
What about cursed ships? There's bound to be Blood-Related Person x Blood-Related Person sh*t going SOMEWHERE. That's not even considering the "gray area" ships where their relationship(family-wise) is unclear or up to interpretation. I'm looking at YOU, Undertale fandom. (I'm sad I ship a ship that's in the gray area. Don't ask what it is.)
@nobody5333
@nobody5333 2 жыл бұрын
I really want to see more friendshipping and enemyshipping. Like these two characters who haven't met yet in the official story would make for really good friends/enemies and I want to read works where they do in fact meet.
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
In the MCU, I had several of these. Many were fulfilled in Infinity War, and Endgame, and others were not.
@silentwalker434
@silentwalker434 2 жыл бұрын
God this video speaks so much to me....its been almost 20 years and the fandom is STILL arguing over ships in ATLA and cannot seem to shut the f*ck up about it. If the fandom isn't arguing over ships , its arguing over Azula and a single post can create a massive debate/argument on reddit.
@merlinlemmerdeur7417
@merlinlemmerdeur7417 2 жыл бұрын
"Is Azula actually misunder-" *BANG* "Nooooo Azula is just a bad cha-" *BANG BANG*
@Hypogean7
@Hypogean7 2 жыл бұрын
-Zutoph-
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
@GrndAdmiralThrawn 2 жыл бұрын
Fan theory: Korrasami sank the series for Nickelodeon. Can’t have LGBT relationships in kids’ cartoon.
@Hypogean7
@Hypogean7 2 жыл бұрын
@@GrndAdmiralThrawn That relationship was literally 10 seconds at the end of the last episode. The series sucked long before that.
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
@GrndAdmiralThrawn 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hypogean7 I just mean that was why it was canceled.
@potatoheadpokemario1931
@potatoheadpokemario1931 2 жыл бұрын
Now I actually want a book called "the platonic crime solving duo... who are blood related"
@supermysterious66
@supermysterious66 2 жыл бұрын
And they spend the whole first book to finally realize that they are blood related. (And then in the final book, it's revealed that they are not in fact related... and then an orgy breaks loose, to appease the shippers...)
@potatoheadpokemario1931
@potatoheadpokemario1931 2 жыл бұрын
@@supermysterious66 but I don't want the last part, but the first book having them find out they're blood related is a good plot
@noukan42
@noukan42 2 жыл бұрын
Sound like a Light Nivel title lol
@FreshZCORD
@FreshZCORD 2 жыл бұрын
yeah thats not gonna stop them...
@purplecobra5218
@purplecobra5218 2 жыл бұрын
On it.
@ladywalda5838
@ladywalda5838 2 жыл бұрын
"If it exists there's porn for it" the same goes for ships.
@PeruvianPotato
@PeruvianPotato Жыл бұрын
Not really, I still haven't found the Starscream x Lightning McQueen one
@machinedramon3532
@machinedramon3532 Жыл бұрын
@@PeruvianPotato So write it yourself. Sounds like fun, and a good writing exercise.
@PeruvianPotato
@PeruvianPotato Жыл бұрын
@@machinedramon3532 Unfortunately, I'm not a masochist and I want to keep my sanity so you'll have to ask someone else
@hi.241
@hi.241 Жыл бұрын
@@PeruvianPotato then if in right, thats where rule 35 comes in "if no porn is found at the moment, it will be made"
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
Even for Sauron.
@solus1247
@solus1247 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking of platonic relationships! I will await the day that JP does a video on the nearly omnipresent trope... the Power of Friendship, or fictional friendships in general. I just love it when the protagonist relies on the power of friendship so much, that their friends are reduced to being mere batteries meant to power the protagonist. Bonus points if the protagonist's friends have absolutely no life of their own outside of the protagonist and has to rely on the protagonist to solve all their personal issues. God forbid that a character is independent and tries to solve things on their own, rather than constantly relying on others. If a character DARES to solve a problem(especially a personal problem) on their own instead of being entirely dependent on the aid of others, have them fail miserably at it until the protagonist(or other characters) conveniently show up to help them through it. While doing this, be sure to beat the audience over the head about how good friends are and how you should always rely on them to get through things Edit: Let's not forget characters who lack friends and are thus incapable of abusi- I mean using the power of friendship. It is imperative that you always make them tragic jerk loners... because we all know that people lacking friends are massive jerks who are obviously suffering from some tragic backstory that you must resolve. The protagonist(or characters) must go out of their way to befriend them, no matter how much the loner treats them with scorn and rejects their friendship.
@rbgerald2469
@rbgerald2469 2 жыл бұрын
So is Sofia The First that bad?
@carlosperalta1714
@carlosperalta1714 2 жыл бұрын
I came up with a manga script about a superhero who actually has the Power of Friendship as a flashy ability. However, he is secretly a manipulative jerk who likes to show it off
@savvy3tv632
@savvy3tv632 2 жыл бұрын
And let’s not forget that if you have a toxic friend, you MUST stay with them because the power of friendship always wins, even if you feel horrible about yourself when you are with them. I swear, if children’s media showed the main character cutting out a toxic person in their life without it being a “oh that person is just misunderstood.” Or “oh it’s your fault your getting abused because you weren’t a good friend.” I would be in a much better place and would have cut out toxic people sooner.
@laststrike4411
@laststrike4411 2 жыл бұрын
Eh.
@xuantungphung5363
@xuantungphung5363 2 жыл бұрын
@@solus1247 You should check out Kamome Tsurubami from Medaka Box then, he is the type of guy who supports all those he considers friends, yet also enjoys being a loner and do his own things.
@Multi-Tech
@Multi-Tech 2 жыл бұрын
*Two characters say hello to one another* Fan: "I ship it!"
@justintime3656
@justintime3656 2 жыл бұрын
thery do not have to talk, thery dont even have to be in te same univers to be a ship. trust me
@darkpinkgirl6684
@darkpinkgirl6684 2 жыл бұрын
damn bro, didn't have to call out the MHA fandom like that
@pallingtontheshrike6374
@pallingtontheshrike6374 2 жыл бұрын
more like: *two characters see each other* Turbofan: "I SHIP IT!!!!"
@justintime3656
@justintime3656 2 жыл бұрын
@@darkpinkgirl6684 If it were only one fandom
@wakanakamulan2152
@wakanakamulan2152 2 жыл бұрын
*Two characters exist in the same proximity as each other* Fan: “OMG I SHIP IT, THEY ARE MY INNOCENT LITTLE SOFT UWU BABIES!!!”
@enby_sims_lover109
@enby_sims_lover109 2 жыл бұрын
As an avid shipper I get why it has the reputation it does, for every comunity of emotionally mature teens and adults sharing a love of the media, its characters, and the world building there's a smaller but so much louder group of children (or worse emotionally stunted adults) causing problems. I don't think shipping really the problem, but a symtom of the larger issue of fandom toxicity. I might love my ships, but I think that I speak for a lot of emotionally mature fans when I say I don't care about them being cannon or not. My enjoyment of a ship is a repersentation of my love for the media, and I have fanfics to cater to my ships, I just want a good story from the sorce material.
@pumpkin2986
@pumpkin2986 2 жыл бұрын
exactly this. Coming from the dsmp fandom, which has virtually no shipping, you don’t need romance for people to get toxic about character dynamics. It’s a fandom problem
@silverprimus321boi9
@silverprimus321boi9 2 жыл бұрын
same, and funnily enough, the more toxic shippers of a community don't actually like what they're digesting. In other words, they love books/movies/animes/shows not for what they are, but more for what they think it should be. And I think that's not what liking something means,
@ugan2
@ugan2 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Been apart of several fandoms and definitely love my ships, and I've seen plenty of people be mature about why they like/don't like certain ships. Sad thing is the toxic ones drive people from the actual source material. I'm a huge fan of Hetalia, and everyone fan knows how bad the shippers got to the point where some people didn't want to give it a chance. Sad too because it seemed like that fandom grew some self-awareness and calmed down but the damage has been done Heck, also a Naruto fan, and I have a few rare ships and also have written and posted fanfic with them. Nothing beats being told to end myself because of my work.
@Gamermario-lb3rq
@Gamermario-lb3rq 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment. I should really remember this whenever I have to explain to someone how I am a low-key shipper. Seriously there is no reason to be toxic about something as inconsequential as shipping.
@sxwriter8569
@sxwriter8569 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah enby, as long as you're being a good person, I got no issue with shippers.
@mimnimpetite8681
@mimnimpetite8681 2 жыл бұрын
I will say though, that it is okay to write fanfiction that's bad or entirely fan-service. It's fanfiction, it doesn't always have to be an exercise is furthering your creative sights. Sometimes something fluffy and nonsensical is just what you need after a bad a day...
@jr03160
@jr03160 2 жыл бұрын
Regular show did Everything wrong with shipping wars. It forced a romance between Mordecai and CJ, caused a brutal love triangle that pushed CJ out, shouted out that Mordecai and Maragret are just gonna be friends, and introduced Mordecais wife in the final five minutes
@sirkillalot9892
@sirkillalot9892 2 жыл бұрын
I think the ending was more damage control. Both initial ships were established to have their problems. So either Mordecai had to become single or he found his love interest much later. I don't mind that they kept Steph the Batgirl vague. It has a message about how some people take longer to figure things out, rather than the heat of action. Like how everyone else besides Skips (who isn't into that) got their couple locked at just the finale. But it was really annoying how many episodes were dedicated to the love feud and turned things into the Mordecai show.
@eeveeofalltrades4780
@eeveeofalltrades4780 10 ай бұрын
Honestly, I feel that makes it more realistic. In real life, many people have a highschool sweetheart, and while some eventually marry their highschool sweetheart, others don't, and instead date many different people as they grow up, until they finally find The One, which is the one they marry. So Mordecai's wife being someone we've never seen before is actually pretty realistic.
@clarehidalgo
@clarehidalgo 2 жыл бұрын
The Studio Staff having a shipping war happened in Digimon 02, it got so bad that they randomly picked 2 ships to become canon out of a hat. One I was meh about and the other I hated because Sora and Matt only talk to each other like 4 times alone without Tai and had no chemistry. 6 year old me was hoping Sora and Tai would get together because they played off each other well
@somethingclever4297
@somethingclever4297 2 жыл бұрын
Tai and who?
@Santoryu90
@Santoryu90 2 жыл бұрын
I leaned more into Tai x Sora and still kinda find Matt x Sora questionable but I know there are people to this day that are still very salty about it.
@vikorovstock2432
@vikorovstock2432 2 жыл бұрын
“They picked who hooks up with who randomly” makes so much sense. Even as a kid I knew Yolei and ken was a weird pair.
@writenowdream3882
@writenowdream3882 2 жыл бұрын
I heard Tai ends up with Izzy?? Unsure if true, I thought Izzy and Mimi were a couple.
@HIPEOPLE1887
@HIPEOPLE1887 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget TK and Kari
@builder5008
@builder5008 2 жыл бұрын
Shipping at this point has become where if two characters interact just once they are in love. Even if both of hate each other to death, even if both sides are abusive or manipulative or even if they are never seen again THEY ARE IN LOVE NO EXCEPTIONS!
@tsifirakiehl4250
@tsifirakiehl4250 2 жыл бұрын
And then there are the people who ship characters who have literally never met…
@100lovenana
@100lovenana 2 жыл бұрын
@@tsifirakiehl4250 But, surprisingly enough, (in my experience) those who ship characters who never met are actually less toxic than the other shippers. I might be wrong, since I'm not in every single fandom in existence to say that's always the case, but shippers of two characters who haven't interacted in canon tend to be calm or decent at the very least, and I haven't seen them attacking other people for it. Then again, the fandoms I get into are small compared to the giants out there...
@RooftopRose079
@RooftopRose079 2 жыл бұрын
Two characters say hi to each other. OMG! They're in love! Two characters share a conversation about a common interest. OMG! They're in love! One character literally punches the other in the face and insults them. OMG! They're in love! One has distant creative potential for romance, one has a general foundation potential for romance and one is a warning that this is not healthy.
@Justin-ul7fh
@Justin-ul7fh 2 жыл бұрын
@@RooftopRose079 One character burns down another character's orphanage and pissed on their grave. OMG THEY'RE IN LOVE!
@syeina
@syeina 2 жыл бұрын
Shipping was always like this actually.
@NoJusticeNoPeace
@NoJusticeNoPeace 2 жыл бұрын
A good choice for making sure to infuriate absolutely everyone is to bait your most dedicated fandom relentlessly, and then mock them for their investment by sending one of the characters to Turbo-Hell, which is like Hell but way, way worse.
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 2 жыл бұрын
I prefer Super Hell, but I respect your allegiances!
@quirinoguy8665
@quirinoguy8665 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow hahaha, this is just like Attack on Titan...
@jakobrenner2230
@jakobrenner2230 2 жыл бұрын
@@quirinoguy8665 Lmao I was gonna say the same thing.
@strangevol5264
@strangevol5264 Жыл бұрын
this is about Destiel isn't it
@allisonstarr6074
@allisonstarr6074 7 ай бұрын
@@strangevol5264I’ve seen about half an hour total of Supernatural and I bet it is!
@DeathDealer_1021
@DeathDealer_1021 2 жыл бұрын
Just remember that reylos actually got mad when Finn and Rey's actors sat together at the Oscars because enemies to lovers fans are an actual cancer on this earth
@SlapstickGenius23
@SlapstickGenius23 2 жыл бұрын
What about Stans? They are an even bigger cancer in this world than most kinds of fans ever are.
@strangevol5264
@strangevol5264 Жыл бұрын
*only in certain situations and certain fandoms. for example, say a villain actually has a redemption arc and ends up compatriots with the protagonists. there's a basis for an actually decent enemies to lovers story there. if there's complex feelings between the two parties, where neither really want to hurt the others, there's a variety of ways for it to be interpreted, including enemies to lovers. that's just two examples of it being done possibly well.
@sofiaw4654
@sofiaw4654 10 ай бұрын
@@strangevol5264can you people pls stop with this “not all fandoms” talk wdgaf, you all still annoying
@ArbitraryOutcome
@ArbitraryOutcome 9 ай бұрын
@@strangevol5264 I actually want to know the whole psychological aspect to why people eat up the "enemies to lovers" trope.
@americanidiot41
@americanidiot41 8 ай бұрын
​@@ArbitraryOutcome They want to fuck their bullies. I'm joking it's (hopefully) WAY more complicated than that
@genghiskhan5701
@genghiskhan5701 2 жыл бұрын
You should do actual shipping wars or stories involving naval warfare or anything nautical
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 2 жыл бұрын
Ships only exist for two things: Fishing and piracy. That's all you need to know about naval vessels in fiction.
@Luissv72
@Luissv72 2 жыл бұрын
@@DonVigaDeFierro i half expected the title to be bait and actually be that
@maxanderson3733
@maxanderson3733 2 жыл бұрын
This is a story I would watch
@dodgydodo3060
@dodgydodo3060 2 жыл бұрын
That would have worked well for a april fools episode
@ipadair7345
@ipadair7345 2 жыл бұрын
What one can dow with naval vessels is geuinely so interesting. So few stories are about the logistics of shipping. Shipping is the backbone of any thallasocracy.
@surprisedchar2458
@surprisedchar2458 2 жыл бұрын
The barely contained ire behind “show made for children” tells me that JP has been yelled at by Legend of Korra shippers.
@jackstar7204
@jackstar7204 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it could also be for ATLA
@ElvenRaptor
@ElvenRaptor 2 жыл бұрын
@@jackstar7204 Or MLP: Friendship is Magic.
@TheManOfManyNames373
@TheManOfManyNames373 2 жыл бұрын
Or Voltron.
@HVY_B
@HVY_B 2 жыл бұрын
Or RWBY
@nyxnight6311
@nyxnight6311 2 жыл бұрын
Or Steven Universe
@shinekitten7669
@shinekitten7669 2 жыл бұрын
also remember that every character must end up in a romantic relationship, no exceptions! if a character is aromantic and completely uninterested in romance, either completely ignore that or say that the character you ship them with is "the one" who "fixed" them by "teaching them how to love!"
@JarNO_WAY
@JarNO_WAY 2 жыл бұрын
JP at 4:03 using all of his willpower to write "idiot" instead of "baka"
@ciphergacha9100
@ciphergacha9100 Жыл бұрын
So strong
@PantherCat64
@PantherCat64 2 жыл бұрын
I've only had one piece of fiction where I was like: "I want these two together!" and normally don't care what couples get together. But now I see how weird the crazier side of shipping can get and feel like I've dodge a bullet. Or rather prevent myself from making myself the bullet. Also the sponsorship wars narrative is now getting really entertaining.
@armageddongirl612
@armageddongirl612 2 жыл бұрын
could i ask what that one piece of fiction was and what the pairing was?
@PantherCat64
@PantherCat64 2 жыл бұрын
@@armageddongirl612 Aperently all it took is a fictional rabbit and fox to have an ambigous range from best friends to romantic interest by the end for me to squeal hoping that one end of the spectrum is true. I'll leave it at that for now.
@armageddongirl612
@armageddongirl612 2 жыл бұрын
@@PantherCat64 oh no
@PantherCat64
@PantherCat64 2 жыл бұрын
@@armageddongirl612 yes... fear me. I've survived the furry onslaught and back again and came back with only one emotional scar. My powers are unmatched to many. I'm not the most powerful, but like... somewhere top 20? either way, fear me!
@user-il9ij5wx3n
@user-il9ij5wx3n 2 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of nice, emotionally mature "shippers". It's simply a way to enjoy media. Don't let the loud minority keep you from enjoying stuff:)
@d.j.mulcahy1657
@d.j.mulcahy1657 2 жыл бұрын
Early on when writing my book, I originally intended the two main characters to end up in a romantic relationship with each other because I thought it would work. However, years later, when I revisited it, I decided to keep them simply as friends and to not really focus on romance that much.
@vernyulkisasszony4708
@vernyulkisasszony4708 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a story I wrote in high-school, I wanted the main character to be originally straight and than having his wife and child killed to add his tragic back-story, but he ended up being aroace, and it was actually a really important part of his character.
@lukevankleef4245
@lukevankleef4245 2 жыл бұрын
My favourite trope is when two characters are already in a relationship at the very beginning of the story. Mostly because it does away with all that 'will they, wont they' crap that's a blight on media.
@attorney_rosa
@attorney_rosa 4 ай бұрын
I am also like that because I don't like the drama of "will they, won't they" usually resulted 😂
@joditiarsutrisno5556
@joditiarsutrisno5556 2 жыл бұрын
TWA : "since it is a show made for children, the show's creator are probably not going to take any romance very seriously Star vs Force of Evil fans : You are not the clown, you are the entire circus
@sxwriter8569
@sxwriter8569 2 жыл бұрын
As a casual shipper and someone who wants to write romantic subplots, my tips as a fan/aspiring writer is simple. 1) Be the better person. I prefer to ship what the author wants or implies, and some don't. As long as I'm not being a dick to them and they're not being an a-hole to me, we good. (i.e., My Hero Academia: I like Izuku/Ochako & KiriMina, my friend like Kiri/Baku, and all we do is just wonder what the author will do with them next, not fight each other). 2) Let the protagonist and love interest interact. Even if they're boring, just letting them interact gives them something to do, anything to talk about, or gets the writer with little experience (like this idiot truly) flesh them out a bit more 3) Romance between underaged characters. Don't go beyond first base, something most kids shows do right better than content made for "teenagers." Literally let them do anything else. 4) Pivoting to another romance can work. Just allow the relationship to have it's chance, and if the characters do break up, have it make sense while also just leaving them open for future arcs and plot points. 5) LGBT pairings shouldn't be hard. Don't kill them off, let them be characters, and just set up their romance. I haven't seen the 100 (though I heard part of what happened was because Lexa was her name's actor was juggling a lot) though I know that hurt people badly. Granted if you're not comfortable with doing it, don't, but I tried it once despite being straight and it's one of the best thing I've enjoyed writing. 6) Don't send death threats: authors are people and even shows I know people dislike have "toxic shippers" and "passionate critics" that just want to be dicks because the writer/author did something that pissed them off. There's a good way to handle criticism, go for it. 7) Don't lump all shippers together either: Some 16 year old watching an episode of a show and thinking two characters they like would be a cute couple shouldn't be lumped up with some douchebag on the internet that has less emotional maturity than them. 8) Yeah, not every story needs a romance. I want to write platonic and romantic and I enjoy stories with both or just one. 9) Certain tropes like enemies to lovers needs to be handled with care since done...divisively, it could lead to toxic relationships on par . The only example I've seen done well is Lyrical Nanoha and the only ones I've heard that were done well outside of books are She-Ra's reboot but even that has detractors. I'd argue doing something like the Avatar writers considering Zuko x Katara (even if you can argue someone dating someone ex-colonizer would be bad but there's the counter argument Zuko isn't like that anymore and was redeemed, so there's that) 10) Treat love interests well. Try to remember at the end of the day, it's fiction, and never use that love for fiction to bring harm to others.
@Galimeer5
@Galimeer5 2 жыл бұрын
"Ah crap, I set him up for a smooth segway" Absolutely brilliant line
@canaisyoung3601
@canaisyoung3601 2 жыл бұрын
It's "segue" if you mean a connection between two events. #learntospell
@apocalypseofplush
@apocalypseofplush Жыл бұрын
@@canaisyoung3601 wait, IT IS?!
@nessesaryschoolthing
@nessesaryschoolthing 2 жыл бұрын
9:07 "Besides, fanfic writers are excused from creatively pushing their boundaries and should be free to wallow in their indulgence." This advice is supposed to be terrible, but I kind of agree. I mean, if nobody's paying you to write the story, you've got to make it worth your while somehow. Be as indulgent as you want! If you want it to be "good", well, that's different.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 2 жыл бұрын
JP is truly the Lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker. Oh so different, oh so similar.
@levthemapperxd
@levthemapperxd 10 ай бұрын
@@loturzelrestaurantthe critical drinker is shit though so
@levthemapperxd
@levthemapperxd 10 ай бұрын
@@loturzelrestaurant Why does that matter? It’s the internet. Not to mention that my point still stands.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 10 ай бұрын
@@levthemapperxd Why would it not matter? Everywhere? Its the Internet.
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 10 ай бұрын
@@levthemapperxd Mistakes are mistakes. Wrong is Wrong and Right is Right.
@starburst98
@starburst98 2 жыл бұрын
The multi writer cross purpose thing was parts of steven universe, one of the writers very clearly liked the idea of peridot and lapis being together, but everyone else basically ignored it so it was really weird how some episodes have them acting like they were already married while others they are just roommates.
@slimeheadgamer3569
@slimeheadgamer3569 6 ай бұрын
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree here. Aside from the "getting over hatred of each other" segment of the storyline, I never really think the show leaned towards a romantic subtext - I always took it as a close platonic one (The scene of them just goofing around with instruments in the barn is my favorite example of this).
@animationdude9
@animationdude9 2 жыл бұрын
Stuff like this is why I’m always internally debating with myself whether or not I should have romance in my stories or just *cut* that shit out like a _fucking cancer._ Like, what is wrong with Platonic relationships?
@starmaker75
@starmaker75 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean it not like there stuff like sibling love, family love, brother in arms, or people having different sexuality, etc.
@pallingtontheshrike6374
@pallingtontheshrike6374 2 жыл бұрын
they don't make big bucks with the hs/college-girl audience. Platonic relationships don't make money or garner interest. There's a lot of closet horny, which the teasing is really good at exploiting. Saying that, it feels like it's gotten better most recently... ish? Among some communities.
@lordsinister707
@lordsinister707 2 жыл бұрын
@@pallingtontheshrike6374 one piece did incredibly well with no ships or Romance. I mean Sanji instant attraction to cute girls is more for comedic relief
@pallingtontheshrike6374
@pallingtontheshrike6374 2 жыл бұрын
@@lordsinister707 one piece isn't targeted towards hs/college girls, it's targeted towards bois, it being a battle shounen. Stuff targeted for boys and to a degree older dudes will tend to have more of these gags over actual subplots. I mean, Pokemon, anyone?
@meredithsmakings3068
@meredithsmakings3068 2 жыл бұрын
Platonic relationships make me feel more than romantic ones tbh
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 2 жыл бұрын
Woah, dude!! You mean these two mortal enemies, who hated each other since the first time they met, whose only interactions have been insults and punches, who despise everything that the other represents, and who have actively tried to fucking murder each other mutiple times, are not allowed to BANG???
@thelegostarwarsf7916
@thelegostarwarsf7916 2 жыл бұрын
The last thing shippers will do is use their brain. I'm convinced shippers have 0 braincells.
@nessesaryschoolthing
@nessesaryschoolthing 2 жыл бұрын
Gay as hell to have a sworn rival
@bigmouselittlemouse2001
@bigmouselittlemouse2001 2 жыл бұрын
You just described catra and adora and Raya and Namaari
@s3studios597
@s3studios597 2 жыл бұрын
This is an actual thing in Durarararararararara. Like in the actual series. You got two guys who absolutely hate each other and regularly try to kill each other and one of the female characters shipping them. I think it was an OVA, but one episode has Shizuo and Izaya fighting all over the city and the girl was narrating it like a sex scene.
@DoctorSpacebar
@DoctorSpacebar 2 жыл бұрын
They are, in fact! Guns make quite the loud *bang* when fired, you know. No guns in the setting? Lightning magic is an excellent substitute.
@loltwest9423
@loltwest9423 2 жыл бұрын
"Basically the best way to deal with shippers is unrestricted submarine warfare." Me, a history nerd: *Wheeze*
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 2 жыл бұрын
The shipping in Supernatural really got out of control with the fangirls seeing every woman character in the show as a threat to their fantasy of Dean, Sam and Castiel having a threesome even though Dean and Sam were brothers and straight.
@dennisjaime1801
@dennisjaime1801 7 ай бұрын
Wtf
@aokhoinguyenang3992
@aokhoinguyenang3992 2 жыл бұрын
Shipping war is fun, it's very entertaining to watch a fandom implode. Also it's very necessary to map out the characters relationship(especially main characters) for both character development, dynamic & avoid drag the plot out due to unnecessary drama, shipping war maybe fun to watch(for an outsider) but is very much damage your writing credibility. For example: Voltron team were marketing & selling merchandise for ships they didn't knew were going to be canon or not with piss off people when some ships turn out to be not
@somethingclever4297
@somethingclever4297 2 жыл бұрын
They didn't Know*
@atheist2025
@atheist2025 2 жыл бұрын
@Mary Moon I once got in an argument about sonics super form (super sonic) having a time limit when I just looked it up the thing that came up said “it has no time limit” but when I clicked on the article it said super sonic has a time limit, some even specified that it takes 1 ring per 2 seconds. When I linked them to this article they just didn’t respond.
@aokhoinguyenang3992
@aokhoinguyenang3992 2 жыл бұрын
@Mary Moon It's even funnier when fans perform insane mental gymnastic to praise the creator for out of nowhere ships that make no sense just because it's their ships. Like Korrasami or Reylo _ Reylo: Don't you see the($3xu@l) tension when they were trying to thrust long, hot, cylindrical objects into each other? _ Korrasami: + The creator were so smart by 1st showing they were both miserable dating Mako to show those relationship weren't right & they should date each other. No, the creators didn't know there would be more seasons so Mako-Korra were endgame; also Korra wasn't uncomfortable around just Mako, she was being uncomfortable around everyone (and make them just as uncomfortable as her, because all of her character development from season 1 was reset to become even bitchier in the 2nd season than the 1st ) beside Unalaq who was stroking her ego as hard as Korrasami shipper stroking the creators(so by that logic he should have end up with her); they even brought back the dreaded love triangle(due to amnesia) as if SS2 didn't have enough plots & sub-plots + The actual ship was so compelling. No, they spend the entire show as friends then suddenly become a couple at the end. They didn't show the actual relationship. -> Korrasami was less interesting than Makorra because at least the later was explored from beginning to end
@WhiteThunder121
@WhiteThunder121 2 жыл бұрын
What giga chads lol
@M3rtyville
@M3rtyville 2 жыл бұрын
yes
@sarahvunkannon7336
@sarahvunkannon7336 2 жыл бұрын
Fictional characters might not be real, but they all began as ideas. Those ideas very much are real. I believe that when shippers argue about who should have ended up with who, what they are really doing is arguing over different versions of what romantic love should be. The characters are just pieces you can move around for demonstration purposes. The ATLA shipping wars, for example, remind me of the 3 different love styles. Eros is passionate love of the sort that gets written about in songs and plays, full of emotional ups and downs and lots of change. Ludus is playful - love is fun! It doesn't have to be so serious where you must meet your soulmate and be with them forever and ever. Romance can just feel nice. And Storge is stability: your partner should be your refuge when times are hard, the one who always has your back, who you can trust with anything. When I hear shippers argue that Katara should have ended up with Aang, it sounds like this: "He's always had her back! He's been on her side since the first episode! They support each other no matter what!" And what I hear about Zuko is, "She has CHEMISTRY with him! He took a lightning bolt to the heart for her! They went on a whole quest where she hated him at first but then they reconciled!" I don't think those shippers, at least not the ones who have these exact arguments, are really arguing about fictional characters. They're arguing about different love styles. It's Eros vs. Storge, not Zutara vs. Kataang. I'm sure there are shippers who are way too invested in the emotional lives of fictional characters (see: that article I saw one time listing which anime characters they thought Zuko would go well with based on 'what he wants in a woman'), but if hordes and hordes of shippers support the same two ships and get so passionate about it that you can call the result a "shipping war," then I think there's something deeper going on. It's not always frivolous.
@supermysterious66
@supermysterious66 2 жыл бұрын
I think you've got a idea that hits deeper at some of what may be lingering under the surface. I think that there is also the issue of people seeing themselves in a character, and then projecting that into "what would be the best ship for that character." Could also just be people having strong para-social relationships with certain characters, and thus being too invested in what happens to their "friend" (the fictional character).
@sarahvunkannon7336
@sarahvunkannon7336 2 жыл бұрын
@@supermysterious66 Yes, of course! My idea kind of implied that, now that I think about it. If that's the kind of romantic relationship you would prefer for yourself, and you project yourself onto that character, then you would end up thinking that that kind of romance is also what THEY would prefer. I must offer a disclaimer: I have no understanding of the idea that people can actually want their ships to be canon. I can try to imagine wanting that, but I fail. Nothing another person could create can possibly live up to my standards; I would guaranteedly end up disappointed that they didn't do it right because they're not me and don't have my exact preferences, and I know I would be disappointed this way. So everything I say is automatically from the viewpoint of shipping as a hypothetical exercise.
@Bruticus87
@Bruticus87 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahvunkannon7336 I think that is also why people have "types" when it comes to ships as they gravitate towards relationships that make sense to them and follow similar themes. And like you they are never satisfied with the way most writers develop these relationships as it never meets the idea they had. Though to be fair MOST fiction writers are horrible at writing stable relationships. The side friendships or interactions are a lot more enticing narrative wise. I will say he missed that aspect on why people ship completely. Not everyone wants to be the characters they ship. Personally I like most non canon ships because they offer more opportunities to explore the characters through the lens of a romance. I have never imagine myself in place of either character ever, not even as a young child.
@karaqakkzl
@karaqakkzl 2 жыл бұрын
Eros come from erao "i love", cognate with Sanskrit rámate, Litvan rimti, Gothic rimis "calm, enjoy, tranquil" Ludus in latin, literally "school, game, fun, to play", is not about love, just sexual interest (like r34 encanto) Storge come from stérgo "to love" + é, from *sterg "to cover, protect" (like army to kpop boyband, they're flower boys, they're komi san, need to protect)
@sarahvunkannon7336
@sarahvunkannon7336 2 жыл бұрын
@@karaqakkzl These are the terms (and definitions) I remembered learning in a class a couple years ago, and I googled "3 love styles" to make sure I was still referencing actual information that exists. The search results also use these terms. Thanks for explaining the etymology of the words! Linguistic stuff is really cool.
@theforgottenranger
@theforgottenranger 2 жыл бұрын
"The best way to deal with shippers is with unrestricted submarine warfare" Germany: "It's showti-" USA: "Howdy feller, you goin' to heller"
@RealTalk720
@RealTalk720 2 жыл бұрын
shipping kid characters doesn't have to be gross. just keep it cute n wholesome. he gives her a flower, they go to the movies. maybe they kiss,but let's keep it cute, people. Try to act like you've been in a relationship with a woman b4 it's not that hard fam
@JonathonSwinney2814
@JonathonSwinney2814 2 жыл бұрын
*JP reveals his MTG knowledge by accident* Me: Oh, well played, clever one.
@UncleJrueForTue
@UncleJrueForTue 2 жыл бұрын
Not a basic forest or Island either. Necromancer JP?
@dr.fiction7
@dr.fiction7 2 жыл бұрын
@@UncleJrueForTue hey, don't diss the zombies man. I'v got a buddy who, if the cards are in his favor, can kill me by turn 8 with his op as hell Zombie deck. Some of those resurrection spells he has are insane.
@Ag3nt0fCha0s
@Ag3nt0fCha0s Жыл бұрын
MTG? metal Twisted G?
@paula194
@paula194 2 жыл бұрын
The only way the TWA Expanded universe could get even funnier is if he did a raid shadow legends sponsorship to power up Greed, though I suspect even the in-character bad author wouldn't stoop that low..
@finaldusk1821
@finaldusk1821 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, that's just what Greed wants you to think! Then, he WILL stoop that low and totally fool us all! Who would predict that this extremely selfish being driven only by a lust for money, would go for the lowest hanging fruit with a Raid Shadow Legends sponsership!? It'll be the best plot twist ever and no one will see it coming! Genuis!
@paula194
@paula194 2 жыл бұрын
@@finaldusk1821 Ultimately I think it's unlikely JP would take a Raid show legends sponsorship because they don't need it, and I imagine no one does one of those because they actually like them, they do them because those things pay 4 figures minimum and people need money. JP gets pretty steady sponsorships though, and likely could do without *that* on his channel. But saying this is a lot less succinct than my previous comment, so I went with that.
@ChaosRayZero
@ChaosRayZero 2 жыл бұрын
Is _nobody_ gonna talk about the "JP/Inner Critic" fanfic the girl's holding at 0:48 and 1:38?
@Xehanort10
@Xehanort10 2 жыл бұрын
The most frustrating thing about shippers is their inability to comprehend any story where the main focus isn't "2 or more people have sex." They delude themselves that romantic subplots in a non romance film, book, show, game and so on are what it's really about when it isn't. According to them not caring who's dating, sleeping with or married to who makes you a heartless monster who only wants to see blood, fighting and death.
@ProjectMathesar
@ProjectMathesar 2 жыл бұрын
The end of the Naruto manga was basically the author snapping his fingers and every character marrying each other and having kids just to set up a new series. Well done.
@autobotstarscream765
@autobotstarscream765 2 жыл бұрын
The hardest choices require the strongest wills.
@Shrek_es_mi_pastor
@Shrek_es_mi_pastor Жыл бұрын
Naruto and Hinata just feels so random
@coca_0146
@coca_0146 Жыл бұрын
and most pairing came out of nowhere
@lightningpenguin8937
@lightningpenguin8937 Жыл бұрын
@@Shrek_es_mi_pastor Not really. It was always going to be Hinata or Sakura. It just was never ever earned. Naruto(the anime at least) was terrible with romance. I mean Sakura was hit so hard with the bad romance stuff, she gained the reputation of useless.
@gabrielciambelli6861
@gabrielciambelli6861 2 жыл бұрын
And here I was thinking this episode was going to be about logistics, trade, and the grueling realities of pre-modern sea travel in stories. What a fool I was.
@colleenmccool7548
@colleenmccool7548 2 жыл бұрын
JP really telling on himself (and his age) by calling shipping "serious business." I too was on the internet in the mid-2000s.
@youngtally2677
@youngtally2677 2 жыл бұрын
Normal people: "huh those two would be kinda cute together maybe I'll check out a fanfiction or two." Shippers: "THOSE TWO (OR MORE) MUST GET TOGETHER!!! AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE THEN I HATE YOU AND YOUR PROBABLY AN IST OR A PHOBE!!! IMMA WRITE A DOZEN FANFICS ABOUT THEM AND DEDICATE MY LIFE TO THESE CHARACTERS!!!"
@AxenfonKlatismrek
@AxenfonKlatismrek 2 ай бұрын
The Witcher community in a nutshell
@anitanielsen1061
@anitanielsen1061 2 жыл бұрын
Well, THIS is one hell of a disaster-zone you picked!
@CH-or4fe
@CH-or4fe 2 жыл бұрын
I've always loved shipping. It's one of my favourite things about being in fandoms. I vaguely remember fighting other kids back in the day (oh, the anti-ship groups, listing all the reasons a ship was bad and toxic and wouldn't work out) and can only look back shaking my head. I'm honestly glad that Twitter and certain other sites weren't a thing back when I was active and stupid about it. That said, I never went out of my way to stalk whoever shipped (or didn't ship) what I did and I also never creeped on real people because I was convinced they were secretly lovers. These days I don't give a damn about what shippers write about fictional people who were and aren't and will never be real but I am more hesitant about RPF. Like, sure, what you're writing is fiction but if there's a person out there you're trying to depict and they go "please don't" it gets weird. Yes, weirder than killing off Hinata and Sakura for entirely fictional people smashing.
@dekuisagreatmaincharacterf6188
@dekuisagreatmaincharacterf6188 2 жыл бұрын
I think people who say “I like shipping,” kinda get a bad rep by default. I also really like shipping, probably because I’m a hopeless romantic and an introvert who can’t get a date, but I’m always hesitant to say that to anyone because I’m afraid people will put me in the same box as people who start petty fights over which ship should be canon and which ship makes no sense.
@CH-or4fe
@CH-or4fe 2 жыл бұрын
@@dekuisagreatmaincharacterf6188 People getting angry over shipping sometimes forget that nothing in the work they are reading or watching is real. I've certainly met people who believe that liking anything romantic is silly and somehow worse than enjoying other parts of fiction - and know what? They're being rude. People can make fun of the romance genre all they want but it's popular. And for a reason. And honestly it doesn't matter for what reason you like something - you like spending your time with it and that's fine. The only time people should be criticized is when they harass a real person over fiction. End of story.
@pallingtontheshrike6374
@pallingtontheshrike6374 2 жыл бұрын
it gets kinda finnicky for me because there are legitimately ships that are hopelessly idealistic [and in realistic circumstances would be toxic as all hell] I mean, not like you can't ship those, but if you're my friend I may end up judging accordingly, right?
@CH-or4fe
@CH-or4fe 2 жыл бұрын
@@pallingtontheshrike6374 I used to think the same way but as I get older I just notice that I care less and less. Especially when I ended up liking ships that would make some people yell "no!" Some like ships despite how "toxic" they are, some like them BECAUSE they are toxic. You don't have to like those ships. I'd still suggest to not assume that most people can't tell fiction and reality apart. Unless one's the type to hate every single character who murders people in fiction and believes their fans must cheer for real life murderers.
@pallingtontheshrike6374
@pallingtontheshrike6374 2 жыл бұрын
@@CH-or4fe my baseline is basically 'why' if the character is a horrible 'person' and you're wishing misfortune on them, understandable, have a nice day if the characters are good but definitely don't mesh together [obvious difference in habit, preference and priority], and you don't have any interaction you can point to to back it up, I will judge, because that's a 'how you think' or 'how you don't think' problem. If you ship real life people, I may judge. For the latter half, define 'hate every single character who murders people.' Like, what do you mean by murder? what do you mean by hate? Is it wanton murder of innocents for no good reason but 'it's fun lmao' or is it 'this is a means to an end' or is it 'i'mma do this for the sake of the wooorolrdldr' [clearly bricked in the head] I don't like murderers, even if they're fictional, but I can recognize that some are well written or written to be disliked or both.
@thischannelisnowdefunct1825
@thischannelisnowdefunct1825 2 жыл бұрын
Everything awful and bad with shipping perfectly sums up Miraculous Ladybug
@emilyrln
@emilyrln 2 жыл бұрын
Set everyone's expectations sky-high, then set them on fire. Got it.
@kieranmahon4382
@kieranmahon4382 2 жыл бұрын
8:11 Her name is Mai, not Mia, but otherwise yeah that is lowkey the fanfic How I Became Yours. And it was done via a FRUIT, of all things!
@jackstar7204
@jackstar7204 2 жыл бұрын
Good god
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan 2 жыл бұрын
I-wha-no you can't be-...I...I need a drink. A very *TALL* alcoholic drink. 💀
@sirkillalot9892
@sirkillalot9892 2 жыл бұрын
We are survivors
@akl2k7
@akl2k7 2 жыл бұрын
The Abortion Orange... And the comic ends with Katara bloodbending Mai to death. It's telling when the most popular characters in the story were the villains. At least the dramatic readings are hilarious, along with some of the terrible dialogue (Zuko being called a chard monster)
@sirkillalot9892
@sirkillalot9892 2 жыл бұрын
@@akl2k7 or the photoshop panda and turtledecks. or turning Azula into Yue. Sho wasn't too bad. Probably because he was an OC trying to 'right the wrong'. And actually effective
@blade5521
@blade5521 2 жыл бұрын
Before shipping*, ask yourself: 1. Is openly shipping this going to harm real people? If yes, don't ship or ship quietly and responsibly. If not, who cares? Have fun and tag properly so that people can filter out the things they don't want to see. *Related to shipping as a fan, not as a creator (Edit to add clarification)
@ineednochannelyoutube2651
@ineednochannelyoutube2651 2 жыл бұрын
Also, If anyone disagrees with you, it’s just a ship no point In arguing.
@blade5521
@blade5521 2 жыл бұрын
​@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 Yup. If you hate a ship, block/filter out the tag. If you run into it anyways, ignore it and move on. Your yuck is someone's yum and all that.
@prospitdreamer
@prospitdreamer 2 жыл бұрын
This
@ShinGallon
@ShinGallon 2 жыл бұрын
2:40 It's okay, you can say "Reylo Shippers"
@TankHunter678
@TankHunter678 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine for a moment a fantasy story, good old sword and sorcery, humans vs demon a conflict as old as time. Except the demons are led by a Demon Queen who wages war on humanity just so that she can instigate the rise of heroes so that she can play matchmaker for those heroes. Who utilizes her minions to create elaborate plot lines to guide particular heroes and love interests together, even if the Demon Queen must occasionally cut out the love triangles by capturing the "extra" and turning them into demons or sealing them away somewhere for use later with some other hero. In the end the heroes think they win, but their True Love ending was Just As Planned by the Demon Queen who will menace the world again probably within a few decades so she can craft another ship.
@Newfiecat
@Newfiecat 2 жыл бұрын
This is genius and terrifying
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 2 жыл бұрын
Fucking. LOVE IT.
@TheRealFrozenFire
@TheRealFrozenFire 2 жыл бұрын
Now THATS psychological horror!
@matthewchapman6305
@matthewchapman6305 2 жыл бұрын
That sounds like a potentially incredible comedy
@TankHunter678
@TankHunter678 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheRealFrozenFire Your friends died, your comrades died, your cities burn, your religion infested and warped by cultists, greedy nobles launched a civil war that nearly tore your homeland apart... all so that a farm boy from who knows where could get laid and marry the princess because the Demon Queen, the mastermind of all of this, thought they looked cute together.
@Haverlock
@Haverlock 2 жыл бұрын
The only way to communicate with a fandom as a creator is utter contempt. Do whatever you want and meme them to death on twitter. Then in the next chapter kill the happy faction's favorite character and end it there. Then meme again
@DanielGoldhorn
@DanielGoldhorn 2 жыл бұрын
Remember when Alex Hirsch faked a leak for Gravity Falls Season 2, gave the fandom a day to lose their mind, and then dunked on all of us?
@Haverlock
@Haverlock 2 жыл бұрын
@@DanielGoldhorn I don't but he's a man after my own heart
@loturzelrestaurant
@loturzelrestaurant 2 жыл бұрын
@@DanielGoldhorn JP is like the lovechild of Hbomberguy and Critical Drinker. Oh so different, oh so similar.
@emblemblade9245
@emblemblade9245 2 жыл бұрын
“I can finally say what every creator wants to say to their fanbase. FUCK. AAAALLL Y’AAALL!” -Kayaba, SAO Abridged
@WarmLusamine
@WarmLusamine Жыл бұрын
“Oh yeah, you can tell this is gonna be constructive.” Abridged!Asuna/sane members of fandoms
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 2 жыл бұрын
It says something about the human brain that shipping discussions can be as vitriolic as religious discussions on the nature of the universe and morality.
@maugos
@maugos 2 жыл бұрын
"Obviously, they must die." That quote and image made me laugh harder than any other part.
@savvy3tv632
@savvy3tv632 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the episode in Amphibia called Civil Wart. It was basically about how the main character introduced a small frog town to a movie with a love triangle in it, and the whole town went to war. It was pretty funny and got me into Amphibia. I strongly recommend watching the episode.
@roboyollumnanddrodo1419
@roboyollumnanddrodo1419 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah
@roboyollumnanddrodo1419
@roboyollumnanddrodo1419 Жыл бұрын
Also the amphibia fandom has a problem with shipping too like why do they ship three platonic characters
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
@@roboyollumnanddrodo1419 Four, if we include Sprig.
@insertobligatoryreferenceh489
@insertobligatoryreferenceh489 2 ай бұрын
Isn’t that the episode where a character goes “I can’t believe we almost killed each other over fictional characters!”?
@louisduarte8763
@louisduarte8763 2 жыл бұрын
I like how you repeatedly emphasized the words "Show made for children" in that one part. And finally, the truth has come out about the TWAXU! You have to put all these bits together in a single video!
@metroidnerd9001
@metroidnerd9001 2 жыл бұрын
"This entire TWA universe is a mere construct to help sell his books." Speaking of which, when's Aeon Legion book 2 coming out?
@GrndAdmiralThrawn
@GrndAdmiralThrawn 2 жыл бұрын
What a twist
@justicedunham4088
@justicedunham4088 Жыл бұрын
The worst kinds of shippers like to push their fantasy into real life too. People can be friends without wanting to get in each other’s pants.
@dagnytheartist
@dagnytheartist 2 жыл бұрын
2:27 A good example of shipping ruining a show is How I Met Your Mother. The ending of that show basically taught me what NOT to do as a writer. The short spoiler-free story is that the writers filmed a planned endgame pairing early in the series, and tried to shoehorn that planned ending even if it meant derailing what later seasons of the show were building up to. They showed episodes and character arcs on why their endgame pairing would be unhealthy and weren't right for each other, and at the last minute they broke up a couple they spent a long time building up to just to shoehorn the canon endgame couple. A majority of fans retcon the series finale, it got such a huge backlash that the producers made a cut version of the ending to appease the fans.
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
This series is a perfect example that if an "Endgame couple" doesn't work, you should give it up, rather than force it.
@SynGirl32
@SynGirl32 2 жыл бұрын
My friend is vehemently anti-shipping, I once accidentally started a free-for-all shipping war. Needless to say, this is topic we rarely talk about.
@deathsecretary2055
@deathsecretary2055 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of want to hear this story.
@SynGirl32
@SynGirl32 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathsecretary2055 A person started posting shipping art to the subreddit where a character from my OTC was shipped with a character I didn't like. As a joke, I made inflamatory comments below those posts defending my OTC. These started gaining steam, so people posted artwork of the character I liked shipped with increasingly unlikely characters. I was ready to call it off, but the sub was notorious for having a few loony fans of the ship I liked (it's an anime sub, you know what those are like). So of course, they got angry, which meant that people started doubling down and posting other controversial ships and general trolling. It lasted a few days before people stopped and I made peace with the guy I originally had the feud with. My friend really likes the other member of my OTC, but hates all non-canon ships, so needless to say, he was not very happy with me.
@deathsecretary2055
@deathsecretary2055 2 жыл бұрын
@@SynGirl32 Has it long ago enough to be funny yet or does it need another year?
@SynGirl32
@SynGirl32 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathsecretary2055 Eh, no one really talks about it, so I can't tell, but it wasn't really acidic or hateful like other wars. Most of it was ironic and it was just taken seriously by a few people.
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
Depending on how extreme an anti-shipper is, they can be just as frustrating as a Shipper.
@tomasmcgrath5766
@tomasmcgrath5766 2 жыл бұрын
Shipping, a truly powerful weapon wielded by the most diehard twitter fangirls, who had escaped from their fallen homeland of tumblr as it died, so they can keep on shipping 2 characters who have onlt talked to each other like once or are just straight up enemies like Harry and Draco.
@yuvenamurakumo356
@yuvenamurakumo356 2 жыл бұрын
Draco and Harry? Wait to you hear about Voldemort and Harry xD
@WarmLusamine
@WarmLusamine Жыл бұрын
Tumblr isn’t dead, though.
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago Жыл бұрын
@@WarmLusamine It's not that it's dead, it's just that it's no longer the live ground for shipping discourse it was like 5+ years ago. Tumblr is quieter and (from what I hear) kinda nice nowadays.
@plantainsame2049
@plantainsame2049 9 ай бұрын
​@@Tubular_dude_20y_agoVery nice A lot of fan fiction And discussions but I haven't stumbled Is into anything to vithro
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago 9 ай бұрын
@@plantainsame2049 You love to see it.
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 2 жыл бұрын
I knew _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ would get mentioned when the narrator mentioned shipping wars in a "show made for children". And then an explicit _How I Became Yours_ reference... oh my...
@sirkillalot9892
@sirkillalot9892 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY. Another fellow who managed to get that reference.
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874
@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 2 жыл бұрын
@@sirkillalot9892 My impression was that _How I Became Yours_ was the _My Immortal_ of webcomics, and was accordingly infamous.
@sirkillalot9892
@sirkillalot9892 2 жыл бұрын
@@strategicgamingwithaacorns2874 My Immortal being THE bad fanfiction and start of Modern Mary Sue is definitely ingrained. While I rarely saw How I Became Yours in casual discussions, despite it having more unfortunate implications, tracing and photoshop. Maybe I have tunnelvision.
@travonarmstrong6093
@travonarmstrong6093 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the gigabrain move of "Pair the Spares", where two characters only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken. Do the two spares have any sort of compatibility and chemistry that would naturally lead to them being a couple? Well, no, but that won't stop the fans from making essay-long diatribes filled with their headcanons on the pairing that the writer TOTALLY thought about when making the canon story. Have the two spares ever had any meaningful interactions, or even said more than 5 lines to each other? Of course not, but that won't stop the fans from gushing over them and making 20 minute long videos going over their so-called "romantic life", when all of their interactions can be summarized as "they breathed the same air". (Looking at you Inosuke x Aoi shippers)
@BonaparteBardithion
@BonaparteBardithion 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was "Pair the Spares" because they have characters leftover that are unattached. RomComs do this a lot by literally inventing a whole new character in the finale/epilogue to ship the rejected suitor with.
@moonfusion9964
@moonfusion9964 2 жыл бұрын
@@BonaparteBardithion Yeah, it's that. OP just got it wrong.
@travonarmstrong6093
@travonarmstrong6093 2 жыл бұрын
@@moonfusion9964 That's what I said. "only end up together because all of the other potential pairings are already taken" = "characters leftover that are unattached". It's just worded differently, with @BonaparteBardithion going over the history of the trope, whereas I go over the flaws of the trope.
@moonfusion9964
@moonfusion9964 2 жыл бұрын
I'm saying you got the NAME wrong, not the concept of the trope.
@travonarmstrong6093
@travonarmstrong6093 2 жыл бұрын
@@moonfusion9964 Ah, gotcha. I fixed it.
@ianbrowning7437
@ianbrowning7437 2 жыл бұрын
Remember folks : SHIPPING DESTROYS LIVES!
@veggsbacon1891
@veggsbacon1891 2 жыл бұрын
That could go on a shirt or hat. I'll proudly wear it for sure.
@C0urierbutterfly21
@C0urierbutterfly21 2 жыл бұрын
More like destroying the franchise of the story
@sinclairethomas8197
@sinclairethomas8197 2 жыл бұрын
The entire TWA Universe is one big ad. I think, in my heart, I knew the truth. I just didn’t want to accept it.🥺😢
@Mr-Moron
@Mr-Moron 2 жыл бұрын
This is literally " Why Star vs the Force of Evil Failed at the End"
@Jose-yt3qz
@Jose-yt3qz 2 жыл бұрын
"Demonize the character!!!!" Me: What about they just BREAK UP? That happens all time in RL.
@CCLOSPINA
@CCLOSPINA 7 ай бұрын
I remember how Ron is treated like a Death Eater in fan-fics just for committing the "horrible crime" of getting between Draco and Hermione, in addition to not being handsome.
@happycamperds9917
@happycamperds9917 2 жыл бұрын
You answered the question yourself: The more romance the less shipping. Therefore the solution of this problem, like most, can be solved with a love triangle.
@Discohater4
@Discohater4 2 жыл бұрын
Remember! If someone is getting all mad at you over a ship with their own ship, best thing to do is to say "I respect your ship, but it isn't for me". Foam will start forming on their mouth and they start to spew ancient monkey language. If it's a proship, block and report the user! Thank you for listening to my ted talk
@AegixDrakan
@AegixDrakan 2 жыл бұрын
JP: "Shipping is serious business, so I'm going to Ship all writers with this handy video on how to steer their Ship properly!" Me: "...You joke, but honestly, JP? Shipping wars have started over far *far* *FAAAAARRRRRR* less than that. This is practically a Canon Pairing by comparison" XD
@cardescomedioses3674
@cardescomedioses3674 2 жыл бұрын
i love how JP actually builds up a fun story for the ads, thus subverting the trope of just throwing the sponsors as a chore, tbh i could easily watch only the ads for how hilarious the story Is, you aré great JP, never change for bad, we all trust you
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