TESTED: Athlon Ares BTR GEN2 4.5-27x50mm Riflescope

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@mamihamid8187 11 ай бұрын

Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great kzfaq.infoUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!

@wardaddy6595 4 жыл бұрын

We're truly living in the golden age of decent affordable glass!

@glockparaastra 3 жыл бұрын

Optics are expensive outside of the USA due to exchange rates. But your glass should always cost more than the rifle...

@jeremys8360 3 жыл бұрын

HAVOC not always

@scbane 3 жыл бұрын

Truth. I have Vortex optics on all of my rifles, including AR's. Can't beat em with the VIP warranty

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

This Ares BTR might not be considered affordable at $800 but there's nothing made in China sold by other brands that can beat this scope at any price. My only gripes are they don't even include scope lens covers or a sunshade that automatically come with the junk Chinese scopes sold by other brands.

@kevinli9331 15 күн бұрын

@@commonsense5709actually this scope is made in China😂 things have changed over the past few years in the optics’s industry. Now some scopes that made in China are even better than those made in Japan.

@2charlesbryant 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin, I was practically laughed off of a forum for asking questions about the exact thing you have accomplished with your testing set-up. Outstanding work, you set a new benchmark. Thanks again for your work.

@ronniesmith9568 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your Athlon reviews. love this channel

@ms5435 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy the informative and detailed videos. I have that same scope on my 224. One thing that was not mentioned was the LIFETIME WARRANTY!

@jwjenkins421 4 жыл бұрын

I have loved my athlon ares btr scope. Mine is the first generation with 6-24 x50 but it helped me take my first elk at 465 yards. I'm glad to see a great review of athlon products.

@jasonprox700 4 жыл бұрын

I run 2 of the 4.5-27's and one of the 2.5-15 (mils). They are unbelievable for the price. They have tracked without issue, and the reticles and overall design are great. I would highly recommend them.

@bassassin21 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video. Your methods, educational delivery and quality are excellent. Just started reloading, you have the best channel i have watched.

@rubensturibio8766 4 жыл бұрын

Best youtube channel i've ever seen 👍👏👏👏

@toolbox-gua 3 жыл бұрын

Great review. Aside from the actual scope, which definitely looks promising, your procedure to test is very nice. Than you.

@snuffysmith143 3 жыл бұрын

The fact that you take things way too far and do such a great job with your reviews and information is greatly appreciated

@dirtfishingdad_2_34 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool. Have had a B14 Wilderness in 6.5prc in the safe just hadn’t decided on a scope. Have decided on this very scope and decided to hop on the tube to see if there was any reviews. You solidified my decision. Thanks for the video!

@freddeneau4697 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I love your optics review instrument. Finally a tool that can provide an objective method to evaluate a scopes performance that I can see for my self. This represents a quantum leap ahead consumers of firearm optics! This is how the professional photographers evaluate expensive lenses. You got me to subscribe to your channel.

@holdleftedgeandsendit9351 4 жыл бұрын

I run an ares etr and love it. Tracks well good glass and alot of bang for the money

@cragar 3 жыл бұрын

I bought an Athlon years ago. Love it. Then saw tibosaurusRex do a review of it a couple years later, now you! Looks like I was ahead of the curve! Definitely buy another. Best scope I own.

@DrBreezeAir 4 жыл бұрын

That setup is awesome Gavin. Looking forward to more scope reviews with it.

@CyclopsJoeVideos 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video Gavin

@user-vp8es6wu3u 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review, your methods of testing are on solid ground. I really appreciate your unbiased evaluation of rifle scopes, keep up the great work.

@terryspooner128 3 жыл бұрын

Very COOL!! Gives me an idea to eval my own scope and how best to do that. Thank you Gavin!!

@wadelandeche8632 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice to see the views thru the scope!

@RockLander818 3 жыл бұрын

Huge Athlon fan! Also a DSLR shooter so I love how you married the two. Genius.

@johns9888 4 жыл бұрын

Great video ! Excellent content as always !!!

@BattleChemist 4 жыл бұрын

I have the Athlon Talos 4-14x44 FFP MIL scope on my 24" 6.5 Grendel AR and it's great. Helped me get cold bore shots at 100, 200, and 300 yards on a half size steel IDPA target. Looking to pick up the Argos to top my Noreen ULR 50BMG. Took that out hunting in Dayton, WA last year, but didn't bag a buck. Hoping for one this year.

@brentstam2351 4 жыл бұрын

Just put one of these on my 6 CM. Love it

@riverbard8287 4 жыл бұрын

Cool test rig. I look forward to more scope reviews. 👍 During The grid test the reticle looked sharp but the grid looked slightly out of focus. Perhaps a different f stop would help with that? Can't wait to see some side by side scope comparisons 😃

@AndrewWisler 3 жыл бұрын

I’m a landscape photographer - what you want for you testing setup is a loupe such as the Hoodman loupe. You can place it over your G5 display and focus the scope, it blocks our sunlight and magnifies so you can dial in focus.

@alaskatruoutdoors9238 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been using this scope on my 6.5 creed for about 8 months, very pleased for what I paid for it.

@marklacombe2671 4 жыл бұрын

Nice work Gavin I'm sure it took a lot of time to set this one up.

@JacksonMalcolm 4 жыл бұрын

I like where youre going, a few things to note. scope will function best in their center 1/3rd of the reticle so a larger target will show more error. And I'd set the minimum acceptable travel be 30 MOA or approximately what a .308 would do at 1k or you can set your scope to optical center (objective down into a mirror) and check its outer limits on the tracking target. you'll also need 3 targets, Mil, MOA and IPHY. Frank Gallie has a pretty good list of scopes tacking and hes using a beefy mount. there are a few videos of him testing as well...

@64samsky 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for what you do!

@MegaPoxie 4 жыл бұрын

I know you did a zoom for light gathering on the tree but a target zoom test would be a good little addition to see if the POA and distortion changes, some of the cheaper ones do. Great review and it would be great to be able to compare the different clarities/distortions of the scopes you test, but I guess the weather and time of day will affect that!

@dhbikerczar 3 жыл бұрын

I work in the image sensor industry. You might want to look at some of the characterization equipment and “targets” for image quality. I think you are starting down a great path that can be very interesting.

@HighPriestVaticanAssasin 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome setup, rifle and test setup.

@bilbostackins4874 4 жыл бұрын

I love my Ares BTR I have it mounted on my M1A National match

@karlweiby2307 3 жыл бұрын

The jig and testing is going to be amazing! Would love to see you check scopes for their total adjustment and see if they actually hold true out to the limits. For example when a scope says 80 MOA worth of adjustments do you get all 80 or does it start getting off track at 78 moa.

@mrgruisinge 4 жыл бұрын

Pretty neat idea. Liked it real well.

@vandegriftmichael 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, Some things to add to the consideration list. It may be worth developing a scope cradle that has x and z axis adjustments. This will allow you to start with the scope optically centered in the tube. The cradle would then be used to bring the crosshairs to the target center. This will also resolve issues with fine tuning the between clicks issue on the turrets. Do you have a way to verify the target board is perpendicular to the shooting bench/ scope? Many laser "tape measures" can read to the 1/16 of an inch. Most won't do 100 yards. Possible a reduced scale target at a shorter range. You channel definitely speaks to science geek/ machinist side of shooting that I love.

@ConfucianScholar 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent work. Thanks.

@Barty.Crowell 3 жыл бұрын

I mixed up inch-pounds and ftlbs once when I was putting the clutch in my motorcycle... I also now happen own a set of easy outs

@scbane 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha oh, I have been there. Good one

@glennanderson2790 4 жыл бұрын

Really love your videos, just picked up a slightly used Sightron S111 6X24x50, very nice glass and built like a tank.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

The Japan Made Sightron SIII 6-24x50 starting at $600 simply can't be beat. It's like getting $1000 Japanese scopes for $600. The Japan made scopes sold by Tract Optics can't be beat for their price as well.

@wayoutthereoutdoorswithjer1450 3 жыл бұрын

I have the athlon Aries etr 4.54.5-30x56mm and this scope is awesome! For the cost, this scope delivers beyond what you would expect

@jamessammann9183 Жыл бұрын

Does your etr have locking turrets

@luisabellon5869 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Great video. Thanks.

@adamclayton1295 Жыл бұрын

My biggest suggestion... use one (whatever you pick) as a control for visual. Vortex Razor, Nightforce ATACR, Leopold Mk6... just something to show everything against a constant.

@Dantestoussaint 4 жыл бұрын

I owned the first Gen of these scopes. They have a great reputation for listening to consumers and sorted the turrets. Love the features on that scope but did find it a little picky at full mag.

@Cristopher1976 4 жыл бұрын

I like the way this one only light's the crosshair. I was thinking of the ares etr for an upgrade on my argos but honestly this may be the one instead.

@coldfront7914 4 жыл бұрын

The first thing I do Gavin, when I click on your videos, is smash that like button!

@AlaskanBallistics 4 жыл бұрын

The bergara is awesome

@ancientplayground 3 жыл бұрын

As a photographer, videographer, and shooter myself, I am in the same thought process as you with evaluating scopes. You have accomplished what I have always wondered about with scope evaluation. Outstanding review and testing of this scope. I am seriously looking at the 2.5-15 Mil version of this one. Thanks again!

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@chethaynes5802 4 жыл бұрын

Very Interesting and Informative

@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill 4 жыл бұрын

I like a lower power on the low end. Sometimes in dense woods in low light, 3x is even too much.

@tonydevich7937 Жыл бұрын

I wish they came with the sun shade, and covers

@jamessammann9183 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin love your channel 6.5prc. I just just got a Begala custom ..have not shot yet

@cjamonwilliams 3 жыл бұрын

Great video but I really like the primary arms scope for the 6.5..

@steveh5307 2 жыл бұрын

Illuminated scope is useful not just in low light situations but against dark backgrounds as well.

@tonydevich7937 Жыл бұрын

Awesome stuff

@pauldeahl3980 3 жыл бұрын

I own this scope and have it mounted on a 6.5 Grendel AR. It has a BSF carbon fiber barrel and shoots .38 MOA with factory Hornady Black 123 grn. I built this gun as more of a tactical or target rifle than a hunting rifle. It’s for this reason I bought this scope. Personally, I believe a hunting scope features are: 1. magnification for a maximum hunting range of 350 - 400 yards. A hunter should be able to stalk within ethical range of an animal. Low magnification is more useful than high due to the larger FOV. 2. A duplex reticle. No time to range a distance using the reticle normally. Within that 350-400 yard distance, a flat shooting cartridge and a scope sighted for MPBR will negate the need for a ranging reticle. 3. Turrets with caps. No chance of bumping them during the stalk. Also see #2. For the money this scope is amazing and I suppose it can be used for hunting but personally I think there are scopes with different features that suit me better.

@NoNo_IStay 3 жыл бұрын

Looking at scopes for MY bergara hmr. Too cool!

@Moose_338 4 жыл бұрын

I'd imagine if you could get a way to mount the camera and scope to a small granite surface plate, it would be heavy enough you wouldn't need to worry about it moving while using the dials and it would be fairly thermally stable.

@TMS5100 4 жыл бұрын

Athlon makes unbelievable scopes for the $$. 80% of a vortex for 40% of the price.

@Physics072 3 жыл бұрын

I think they have surpassed vortex in bang for the dollar. Mid range Vortex have dropped in quality and Athlons gotten better.

@cacinaz8802 3 жыл бұрын

I think the "side focus" is not the issue; if the chart at 100 yards is not exactly perpendicular (90 deg.) to the rig then one side will look off. My guess is that the right side of the target is offset about 1" back - enough to make the right side of the reticle outside the chart line.

@TrollinCrazyRussian 3 жыл бұрын

What would I like to see? A scope ranking list forming with every scope you test in term of glass quality firstmost, then turret and reticle ranking. With every new scope you test compare it against one of previous scope on list to find its place on ranking list. If you dont have all of the old scope just place that scope on list with area it could be between two tested scope.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

I personally believe the Athlon Ares BTR 4.5-27x50 is hands down the best sub $1000 Chinese made scope that money can buy. We did a lot of scope testing across the board regarding Chinese and Japanese scopes from a lot of different brands and models. No other made in China scope from any other brand at any price we tested could match the Ares BTR on high magnification while still offering 80moa elevation of elevation with repeatable turrets as well as a nice positive zero stop. Other scopes of Chinese origin from the competition simply could not keep up on high magnification. The other scope of that significantly outshined every other brands regardless of price (regarding Chinese made scopes) is the Athlon Midas Tac 6-24x50. I usually prefer to buy Japan made scopes but these two Chinese made Athlons are the very best we have ever tested. The Athlon Ares BTR was even better than the Japan made Element Nexus for roughly half the cost as a result of that head to head scope comparison.

@ralstonraz 3 жыл бұрын

What about the test on the FFP reticle holding the correct hold over points? Also the ability not to shift off centre while zooming in and out?

@raidisk805 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid. I would love to see a review on the Athlon Cronus BTR Gen 2. It’s very interesting to see what other smaller companies are producing for the money.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

The Cronus line are the only scopes that are made in Japan while all other Athlon scopes are made in China. The Cronus isade at the LOW factory in Japan and is similar to the Tract Toric, Delta Stryker, Maven, Trijicon Ten Mile, among other similar 4.5-30x56 Japanes made scopes. I have the Cronus and the Tract Toric ELR and the Tract ELR is a better scope compared to the Cronus for around the same price and (the Toric ELR) includes a sunshade and press fit scope lens covers while the Cronus doesn't include either of them. I own several other Athlon scopes and what I don't like is for the price I paid for Chinese made scopes and the Japanese Cronus didn't include scope lens covers nor sunshades which many other brands automatically include. I think that's being chinsy on their part when spending so much money for their scopes compared to other similarly prices brands.

@mopardoctor9966 Жыл бұрын

My BTR has been a good scope but I have experienced the turrets gumming up and being stiff and hard to move at first. Detents could not be felt at first, seems I had work the grease loose inside. Windage adjustment would not respond at first also.

@joeyfren1748 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Can you give us some feedback as to why your target with the grid doesn’t look focused? In other words the image looks blurry through the scope.

@kevinelliott9679 4 жыл бұрын

This is very interesting. Can you make it so you have repeatable light or the ability to compare 2 scopes at the same time? Side by side comparison of retinal illumination and target quality is most valuable, if wich scope can I shoot 5min sooner in the morning or 5min later in the evening, is way more useful than the tarrant tracking/ box testing.

@dylanm8508 3 жыл бұрын

Get teamed up with Fireball Tool and get a fixture plate and build that test stand like a tank!!!

@philbaker29 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin, are you ever going to review the Ares ETR (maybe the 3-18x50)? 🤔

@FaithWRanch 4 жыл бұрын

I am interested in a review of the tracking while on the rifle and being shot.

@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely love Athlon Optics ! I'm using the Argos BTR Gen2 10-40X56. Incredible optic and quality in the $400 range. My next scope is an Midas Tac 5-25X56.

@redraiderreloading7612 4 жыл бұрын

I just bought the 10x40x56 for my benchrest rifle, I haven't mounted it yet but excited to see how well it does. I have the 4,5x27 on my 6,5 Creedmoor...love the athlon optics.

@BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions 4 жыл бұрын

@@redraiderreloading7612 you'll like the target dot, it's great for benchrest. I can easily see .17cal holes at 100yds

@Potatogambit 4 жыл бұрын

I did a tracking test on the Argos and was really disappointed. How does yours track?

@redraiderreloading7612 4 жыл бұрын

@@Potatogambit which argos

@Potatogambit 4 жыл бұрын

Red raider reloading Argos btr 6x24. It was off by almost 10%. 30 moa dial was actually 28.

@24nathan48 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Gavin great work on the test, I do have a question, you mentioned the camera being square to the scope both horizontally and vertically would this not be true with the target as well you mentioned that it was level but if the angle didn’t match on both axis could this have lead to the right side windage being a little off in the test.

@scottthorning3963 Жыл бұрын

I have the Athlon cronus 4x27, good scope, its good glass too

@fredbear7561 4 жыл бұрын

I bought an althlon talos 4x16x40 with mildot (good scope) then bought 2 neos scopes put them on 2 rifles. Put less than 20 rounds through each and destroyed them. Sent them to athlon got back 2 extremely used scopes(remember mine were new) one of them the paralax was not funtioning straight out the box sent it back(keep in mind every time I send one back it is $20). This time the one I recieved was is so beat up that I refuse to mount it to my gun! So I have been through 6 and only have 1 good one not very good odds. You decide if you want to waste your time and money

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

I can only recommend Athlon's Midas HD line and above for better quality.

@greggjohnson6861 4 жыл бұрын

I’m asking if the target was crooked wouldn’t both sides be off equally? It seems it would have one side convexed.

@michaelmatich9837 4 жыл бұрын

Would love to see a comparison between different tube sizes, would be able to see how much more light is gathered by a 34mm or 40mm tube at higher magnification

@TerrySprey 3 жыл бұрын

Not to get off in another direction just wondering how you put your scope base on the rifle. I've seen videos that use JB Weld an others Red Loctite. Back to the scope I'm ordering two of these, one is going on my Kidd Innovative Design 10/22, the other on a Bergara B-14 22LR.

@Bloodreign137 3 жыл бұрын

What scope and maybe informational video would people recommend for someone who has never had a LPVO but would like to get one and learn

@michaelreese1282 3 жыл бұрын

Would it be possible that the horizontal graduations appeared to be off slightly because the target wasn’t 100% square to the optics position? The target is a flat surface and if it were slightly closer on the left, wouldn’t it appear that the right side grew?

@luisabellon5869 3 жыл бұрын

How about testing the Vortex Strike Eagle 5-25x56?

@ctw203 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 6.5cm bergara hmr pro, what would you recommend to lighten it up? i was thinking of swapping the stainless barrel for a carbon fiber barrel. and possibly finding a carbon stock.

@C_Squared 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the target isn’t perpendicular to the bench/fixture which was causing it to be off to the right.

@thespectator2976 3 жыл бұрын

Im happy with my Athlon Midas tac :) but this might be my next purchase

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

After buying my Midas Tac 6-24x50, my Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50s seem to have even more terrible glass.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

The Ares BTR has just as nice glass as the Midas Tac with more magnification and illumination. It has only 5moa less elevation 80moa vs 85moa which is negligible.

@davidhagerman7165 8 ай бұрын

Great video and methods. Question- How do you keep your shop so clean? My shop no matter how I try iit s never spotless.

@jonpaul4935 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Gavin, was looking at the exact same scope to put on a HMR wilderness 300prc... Just curious what the total USABLE elevation and windage is after installing the zero stops?

@jeremyschmidt4449 3 жыл бұрын

Athlon website shows this scope with the aplr4 reticle in moa also but I can't find one for sale. Do you have any Info. on that configuration?

@ElJoeRN 3 жыл бұрын

4:51 *me staring at my broken scope and mounts after using my Snap-On torque wrench* well damn

@boober7270 4 жыл бұрын

U need to turn off auto iris. Set it for a focus point and f stop. Then u can track light through the tube. Set and forget it.

@Ultimatereloader 4 жыл бұрын

Running full manual. No “auto anything” :)

@bigal4334 4 жыл бұрын

I have this scope on my Unitah 6.5 Grendel. Good value for money but not as good as my Ares ETR. Turret doesn't feel quite as tactile.

@jeffreygiddings1864 Жыл бұрын

Did you consider the camera optics deficiencies when doing your static and dynamic testing?

@smokedbrisket3033 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin, is this a True MOA or Shooter's MOA scope? And does that REALLY make any difference?

@jasonpfeilsticker5692 3 жыл бұрын

Is that hill-side at about 800 yards? I'm assuming tree trunk width of about 8 inches and ~1 MOA wide.

@paulwatterson5992 4 жыл бұрын

How did you ensure LOS was orthogonal to the target. This must be established first.

@P_double_H 3 жыл бұрын

Gavin, 1 MOA is exactly 1.047" at 100 yards. Are you sure that paper has that distance between moas?

@Ruweisat 3 жыл бұрын

Any chance you’ll do a review of your Delta Stryker? I’ve heard great things and would be interested in your review.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

If you're in the USA I'd highly recommend doing your due diligence on their warranty and where you have to ship warranty claims to before considering this brand. The Trijicon brand has a USA home base and warranty facility and offer strikingly similar models as the Delta. Same goes for the Chinese Delta Javelin compared to the Athlon Ares regarding warranty.

@proxhunter3338 4 жыл бұрын

Please do a test on the Delta Optical Stryker 30 power version.

@davecollins2097 3 жыл бұрын

Search the scope model, these tests are out there. A better comparison is the ETR or Cronus to the Stryker. DLO just put one out on the BTR or ETR vs Stryker, and there is a newer 2020 version Stryker as well from the European dist., easy to spot, different logo.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

If you live in the USA you need to check how the warranty is going to work before buying this brand. They don't have a warranty facility in the USA.

@jasonweld4896 3 жыл бұрын

How do they hold up in wetter weather. Are they an anti fog scope ?

@johnglynn7795 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Gavin, what manufacturer rail and MOA did you install on your rifle. Regards, Jg

@thommytasakis3478 3 жыл бұрын

What is that magazine that you're using for the 6.5 prc rounds, is it calibre specific?

@joshedwards6205 4 жыл бұрын

Take a look at 8020 aluminum extrusions when you go to make your permanent testing rig.

@Sertao2013 3 жыл бұрын

I like the way your doing the testing with the camera I think that's a great idea . I'm into field target shooting with air rifles . You have to be able to put pellets throw small holes in metal targets to knock them down and get points out to 150 yards in the extreme field target matches and 55 yards for just regular field target matches with close shots down to 10 yards with tiny openings .Most of the scopes used in field target are over 1,000 but I just can't afford that so I'm looking for a sub 400.00 dollars scope in ffp with a 4.7-27 or 6-24 power with side parallax down to 10 yards . I'm also going to be hunting small game with it like squirrels and rabbits in the woods where it can get pretty dark even during the day so I'm wanting some illumination . I'm looking at the Athlon argos btr gen2 ffp with the APMR first focal plane illuminated MIL reticle . Have you done any tracking tests with this scope ? If not will you do a tracking test with your camera test rig setup ad let me know what you think. about the tracking . I'm going to be clicking for the matches in one class and I'll be using the reticle in the hunter class . I need a scope that tracks correctly every time . I'm not sure if thats possible or not at the 400.00 peice range or not but I think this scope might be the closes I can get for the price I'm looking at . Also there is one other scope that might it the bill and thats the new element ffp helix 6-24 element-optics.com/product/helix-ffp/ the only thing I don;t like about it is it doesn't have the illuminated reticle . But it does have a stainless steel turret housing . Which they are saying is better than the regular brass housings . What do you think about that ? Will you look into that scope also and do a tracking test on that scope also . If you can maybe do a side by side comparison of the 2 scopes .

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

Element Optics brand scopes don't offer a good value for your money spent. I think they are very overpriced for what you actually get when compared to other brands in their same price point. You'd be much better off buying the Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50 for around $500. It is also made in China just like the Helix and Titan but has superior glass and tracking compared to the Titan and Helix. The Helix has an extremely terrible eyebox with mediocre glass.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

The Argos Gen 2 has a better eyebox compared to the Helix and the glass is about the same mediocre Chinese glass just don't zoom to the maximum power then you are fine with the Argos. The Midas TAC has upgraded HD Chinese glass that's night and day better but it's going to be very hard to see the reticle at the lower magnification for hunting as with all other FFP scopes unless you but something like a FFP Meopta Optika 6 with the MRAD 1 horseshoe reticle 3-18x56 if you really need a 10 yard close focus parallax or the FFP Athlon Helos 2-12x but the glass isn't the best at 12x.

@commonsense5709 Жыл бұрын

A buddy of mine recently bought an interesting Chinese scope for under $160 shipped. It's a 6-24x50 FFP 30mm Ayin brand. He compared it to his Vortex Diamondback Tactical and Element Helix all 6-24x50 models and stated the cheap Ayin had the best image quality and eye box on high magnification and so far has very good repeatable tracking as compared to the others. It does not have a zero stop but include flip up lens covers and a sunshade. Some other friends including me are considering a group buy of 4 or more for under $134 apiece including free shipping. The Element Helix and the rest of the Element Optic line of scopes were recently selling through a well known overstock wholesale outlet for $275 and $325 for the 6-24x50 SFP/FFP and $330 fir the FFP 4-16x44 and $550 Titan 5-25x56 and $1100 Nexus 5-20x50. None of us bought any of them even at their sale prices since we feel they really weren't worth the price compared to other brands that are cheaper.