The New Ford Bronco Takes On The World's Toughest Towing Test, And It REALLY Surprised Us!

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( tfl-studios.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Just how well does the brand new 2021 Ford Bronco actually *tow*? That's what we're here to find out! In this video, Andre and Tommy take our Bronco First Edition with the Sasquatch Package - rated to tow just under 3,500 pounds - up the notorious Ike Gauntlet: the World's Toughest Towing Test.
00:00-1:12 Intro
1:13-2:59 FJ Downhill
3:00-3:28 Trailer
3:29-4:55 FJ Downhill pt2
4:56-5:28 FJ Squat
5:29-6:26 FJ Brake Count
6:27-10:23 Bronco Hitch Install
10:24-15:49 Bronco Downhill
15:50-16:20 Hitch
16:21-18:23 Bronco Brake Count
18:24-21:56 FJ Uphill
21:57-22:33 FJ Sound Check
22:34-23:44 FJ Uphill Time
23:45-25:46 Bronco Uphill
25:47-26:12 Bronco Sound Check
26:13-28:32 Bronco Uphill pt2
28:33-29:00 Bronco Squat
29:01-31:06 Bronco Uphill Time
31:07-32:54 Verdict
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@kingshawn1857 2 жыл бұрын

Damn that fj was searching for gears like a crackhead searching for loose change

@shaneolsen9394 2 жыл бұрын

That poor FJ, transmissions don't like excessive shifting under a load especially but I've said this before I dont like they don't use the manual gear set, I know the FJ is older but I bet it still has some form of gear selection

@bundo-san 2 жыл бұрын

lmao no kidding! I was feeling a bit uncomfortable watching it hunt so aggressively XD

@lutomson3496 2 жыл бұрын

@@shaneolsen9394 I would still take the FJ especially for the value I do manual shift automatics to optimize the maximum torque with RPM's comparing a modern transmission with new technology isnt really a comparison

@shaneolsen9394 2 жыл бұрын

@@lutomson3496 I agree no comparison at all but I dont blame the FJ I blame the driver

@HAHA.GoodMeme 2 жыл бұрын

@@shaneolsen9394 Yep you need to be manually shifting on huge hills to get the most out of Toyotas, that doesn't make them bad, that means you need to get gud

@jimbaloni1877 2 жыл бұрын

16:15 "but it looks like a rocketship that has docked itself in a donut" "...yes" lmao

@ThatOneDudeNick 2 жыл бұрын

Always weird to hear royalty free music shared between channels. I couldn't stop thinking of Off The Ranch during the title card.

@zachylimaki2167 2 жыл бұрын

I knew I recognized that tune. Just couldn't think of where. Long live the Demolitia huh...

@georgejulien3286 2 жыл бұрын

@@zachylimaki2167 don’t tell mere

@ethanhall1974 2 жыл бұрын

Same

@TermlessHGW 2 жыл бұрын

Richard Gene the fishing machine outro tune

@CurtisDishman 2 жыл бұрын

Woop woop Demolitia!!!!

@phil_builds 2 жыл бұрын

....reduce your towing capabilities by 2% per 1000 foot elevation gain. To maintain sea level performance. Just take that in....to maintain sea level performance. Why must you give Ford grief about that? It's basic physics for engine performance. When you're at higher elevation there is less air...therefore to point out the obvious, your engine will perform at a lower efficiency. The real question is why 2% and not any higher than that. To add to that, what would the percentage of change be for its competitors? Because clearly that FJ struggled a lot more than the bronco so in theory you would have to reduce its towing capabilities way more than 2% to ...oh hey check that out..maintain sea level performance. The percentage change is the key. So at what percentage would the FJ finally be happy and not hunt around for gears all the time and lose speed. That I feel is more of a scientific test.

@aashilr Жыл бұрын

Yup, applies to every ICE vehicle. Ford was good enough to tell you

@Cz82 2 жыл бұрын

that face Tommy made when the FJ was going up hill, hilarious 😂😂😂

@ripfletching 2 жыл бұрын

Man I really like this new Bronco

@larrybe2900 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know the rear gears compared to the F150 2.7 but a 5k PU hauls a s s.

@eddleman72 2 жыл бұрын

Reference your comment that the Toyota doesn't have a "tow/haul" mode, 4Runner & FJ Cruiser based on the 4Runner have historically has a tow mode called "overdrive lockout" versus "tow haul". What the overdrive lockout does is keep the transmission out of the highest gear (0.86 overdrive ratio) and agressively keeps the torque converter locked up to reduce heat build up in the transmssion. In my 4Runner pulling heavy loads, engine RPM with Overdrive lockout (not in final highest gear & torque converter locked) and overdrive not locked (highest gear & torque converter not locked up therefore doing torque multiplication along with some slip, and heat generatred) results in nearly the same engine rpm with far less overall transmssion heat generation. If you'll check the owners manual regarding towing, it strongly recommends use of the overdrive lockout when towing.. Sounds like a tow/haul mode to me....

@mnmvuk 2 жыл бұрын

Overdrive lock out is not the same. Not even close. Should you use it when you tow if that's all the vehicle has? Absolutely. A true tow/haul mode does a lot more than that. It adjust shift patterns dramatically. This is up-shifting as well as shifting on the way down. It also will down shift to help with braking (i.e. transmission brake). It also does not lock out the highest gear like overdrive lock out does. If the conditions are appropriate (even when towing) why not let the transmission go into the highest gear for efficiency as well as cooling conditions?

@Fix_It_Again_Tony 2 жыл бұрын

I agree completely. While not a dedicated "tow/haul" mode that is exactly what overdrive lockout is for.

@philtripe 2 жыл бұрын

@@mnmvuk No... Tow Haul modes allow for over drive use

@jmax.6587 2 жыл бұрын

@@philtripe tow haul modes wont let the transmission shift into over drive so you actually stay in a lower gear to stay in a good rpm range to achieve the power band of the motor, as well as it makes the shift point higher in rpms during gears to as i said before, stay in the power band. you are misinformed.

@joesprague1464 2 жыл бұрын

FJ manual states not to tow in drive setting,should be in 4 gear

@jackylsmith8138 2 жыл бұрын

I love it. We generally don’t tow this tiny trailer. I remember when they tried towing that tiny trailer with the Tesla Model X. They could drive 100 miles, charge for over an hour then drive for another 100 miles. Then they called in a Ram to to tow it.

@garykozy4364 2 жыл бұрын

Just heard 2025 le man's will have fuel cell cars. People in le man's not impressed with bev's. That seems to be the general opinion of people in Europe. We will see. They maybe just trying to put shade on Tesla. But from what I have read Europe has a much more advanced hydrogen program than we have. Not just in fuel cells but home utilities etc.

@firstnamelastname9661 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣👍

@cjeam9199 2 жыл бұрын

@@garykozy4364 nah, not really. Hydrogen isn’t going to take off here either. There’s way more effort on getting a standardised charging connector and a pan-European charging network is being rolled out. Le Mans is a special case anyway, they’re an endurance race doing huge mileage. Formula E is a pretty well established open wheel electric racing series, still different to formula 1 of course but comparable in terms of the event.

@cjeam9199 2 жыл бұрын

@@garykozy4364 oh but for home utilities yes I imagine Europe might be further along with hydrogen because of how much we use gas for electric power plants and for space and water heating. But people remain extremely sceptical and there seems to be an acceptance it will still come second to electric. There was a study recently, I think on blue hydrogen, that it was worse for the environment than just burning gas, so it’s unlikely to play a huge role in mass utility replacement either.

@garykozy4364 2 жыл бұрын

@@cjeam9199 Green Hydrogen is the perfect storage system for the offshore windmills. Such a system is being constructed off the shores of Denmark right now. Batteries have not been perfected in 2000 years. And there hasn't been any fantastic developments that would suggest there is a miracle discovery in our near future. Store the off shore electricity as hydrogen. Then use that hydrogen directly in vehicles . Trucking it to hydrogen filling stations. Or mix it with LNG and pipe it in exiting lines to business and residences. Separating the 2 gases at the point of use. Of course the larger the vehicle and the longer the required distance traveled, the greater the hydrogen performance. In existing residences and businesses use the LNG for heating cooking and water heating etc., separate out the hydrogen for use in your vehicle. In new construction build neighborhood gas separating plants. Install appropriate piping to deliver hydrogen directly to individuals residence. In this case all home requirements would be satisfied by hydrogen. There are a lots of uses for LNG. such as plastics.

@enz6312 2 жыл бұрын

Andre, the 1980's called, they want their sun glasses back......great video...love the sin glasses👍👍👍

@mitchaharden1 2 жыл бұрын

I hope Ford makes a Bronco Powerboost. That would be one of the greatest overlanding/camping vehicle.

@omarrodrig 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! No more generator in the camp site

@zelenizub2036 2 жыл бұрын

And drop down payload below 800lb. This thing is street legal ATV nothing more and nothing less.

@alexs3187 2 жыл бұрын

That would be cool, but it won’t be based on the 3.5, it will be a 2.3.

@gbaby4rb64 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Powerboost vs 4XE

@jeffreybalandra8891 2 жыл бұрын

It won’t matter, in my opinion. Payload and and towing will decrease way more than now.

@albertcountyboy327 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thanks for making this video!

@lukestoyz 2 жыл бұрын

As an FJ cruiser owner on 35’s and having towed a trailer many times, I do not drive it like they do. I actually manually select 4th and leave it their on steep grades as to not let it keep trying to go into overdrive. It tows fine and has never had a problem. Also I went to Uhaul and had them wire in a brake controller .

@anthonycolbourne4206 2 жыл бұрын

Great to finally see a Bronco towing video. Exactly what I was waiting for. I was considering a Bronco, but oddly enough after so much delays, ended up buying a 4Runner mainly due to it's 5,000lb towing rating. The transmission on the Bronco looks like it works very well under those conditions. Better than the 4Runner or FJ Cruiser wildly shifting transmissions for sure. The power and torque on the Bronco are very good. Too bad there isn't a tow package to match the capability of the truck.

@Steven-xj2rf 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed - I would love to see them come up with 6000lbs tow rating. Looks better than a Jeep Wrangler for towing.

@larrybe2900 2 жыл бұрын

There will need to be an on demand suspension system to tow that heavy.

@Kingcold2002 2 жыл бұрын

Mega Ike gauntlet maverick vs Santa Cruz

@dmegahan 2 жыл бұрын

There is a 100% chance this will happen when given the chance.

@danrather5473 2 жыл бұрын

It’s like the special Olympics for trucks 🤡

@NWI_Steel 2 жыл бұрын

I cant wait for the Maverick tests!

@boughtandpaidforautoreview1150 2 жыл бұрын

Yep. TFL is for seeing how vehicles perform their weakest and most pointless tasks. HD truck mpg test 1/2 ton drag race Crossovers off road Rock crawlers towing Spots car cargo capacity and seating

@SuperBigman714 2 жыл бұрын

Saturday mornings with TFL! 🙌

@deandesrosiers6857 2 жыл бұрын

Tommy and Andre and showing more chemistry and this video has great flow. Fun to watch! Now I am late for work. I have a Wildtrak with the 2.7 and 10 speed. The Wildtrak has SPORT mode and it holds high gear going downhill so I assume it would do better. I have not towed yet but I have the factory tow kit. The 35’s are strangely solid when cornering. My hard top is not squeaking. The 10 speed is an amazing beast. It has a manual shift mode and I would be able to manage downhill shifts better. I guess now I have to do some math to get my proper tow rating lbs. thanks guts, amazing video as always.

@MrBoomer513 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta say. Loving Tommy's attitude as of late. Excellent content.

@jebsdaddy141 2 жыл бұрын

His dad, not so much.

@dalejones4322 2 жыл бұрын

I look forward to these great videos on Saturday morning. Sitting, drinking coffee, and watching tfl. Doesn't get much better. Thanks guys

@HaroldCombs 2 жыл бұрын

Same. :)

@gwaddles 2 жыл бұрын

Yep!

@robertyoung8289 2 жыл бұрын

How bout watching it with a hot chick on top drinking a beer?

@X92Exploder 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertyoung8289 yes sir, that’s better.

@Goodbarsix 2 жыл бұрын

I love these IKEs!

@robm3357 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting video guys Thks

@johngrodski4158 2 жыл бұрын

You guys are so fun to watch that I'm not into towing but I still enjoy your video

@brettb2718 2 жыл бұрын

The new Bronco has an optional/accessory trailer brake controller you can choose when you order it. It is a Lumens brand and is a $340 option.

@markrivera8570 2 жыл бұрын

where is that?

@brettb2718 2 жыл бұрын

@@markrivera8570 They appear to have removed it.. However it is still listed in the Ford accessories catalog as part number VM2DZ2C006A.

@timmypstyle 2 жыл бұрын

I like the Andre and Tommy combination on these videos. You guys seem to keep it more interesting with solid info. Add Nathan in there too sometimes. Any combo of those 3 i think are the best.

@imjco1927 2 жыл бұрын

And that is a great and fair battle!!

@slipknot2022000 2 жыл бұрын

I like the on screen tow rating and payload rating. Nice add👍

@fenceman53 2 жыл бұрын

Take that same trailer up with the Russian 4x4 van for some comic relief

@vdub5818 2 жыл бұрын

Tommy, you'd be surprised. The cruisemaster hitches/couplings are really one of the best, if not the absolute best, offroad hitches in the world. We will be converting our overland trailer to the cruisemaster hitch/coupling in due time, but need to convert from hydraulic surge brakes to electric first. The articulation, strength, ease of hook up, lack of noise,, etc are all hard to beat.

@robertryan7204 2 жыл бұрын

Cruismaster supply many Australian Caravan manufacturers

@vdub5818 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertryan7204 yep, cruisemaster is Australian too. Unfortunately for us in the US we have only 1 distributor to go through.

@robertryan7204 2 жыл бұрын

@@vdub5818 Hopefuly that will improve. Notice REDARC another Australian aftermarket company is making inroads in the US RV industry

@vdub5818 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertryan7204 🤣 funny you say that. The electrical system I designed for the trailer utilizes a Redarc BCDC 1240. The Aussie's do overlanding like no other. Makes sense considering the continent they live on and the vast open areas inland.

@robertryan7204 2 жыл бұрын

@@vdub5818 It RVing is going ballistic downunder many new manufacturers are coming onto the scene

@ahmedhishamdr8485 2 жыл бұрын

Andre really really loves towing!!

@kaybar6225 Жыл бұрын

My Badlands came with factory hitch and extended neck, plus it has both four and seven pin connections with a braking control system. Very heavy duty and practical setup. Went up Mt Washington with a 4,300 lb load, had no problems...

@traceypup1810 2 жыл бұрын

I’d like to see a benchmark of the number of brake applications for a vehicle not towing a trailer in normal mode going down the ike. I’d also like to see a car or two tested up it for fuel mileage to see how much it affects a car or truck that isn’t towing.

@TheRamGuy 2 жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea

@sasquatchcrew 2 жыл бұрын

Thats a good idea. Why didn't anyone think of this before! XD

@raionshishi8290 2 жыл бұрын

If we were to do that does that mean the Bronco currently holds the benchmark in it's segment with only 9 ?

@JacopoSkydweller 2 жыл бұрын

Do people not engine brake?

@gogofastful 2 жыл бұрын

This is the dumbest part of the test. How does any vehicle know what speed to hold without cruise being set?

@frh-freerangehuman 2 жыл бұрын

**all 1970’s station wagons towing campers “hold my beer”

@unclebob7937 2 жыл бұрын

Hells yes! Those old wagons with big blocks could tow as good or better than newer pickups. Remember the old accessory towing mirrors? Good times and cheap gas! 👍😎🏁

@1FiftyOverland 2 жыл бұрын

@@unclebob7937 but using 3x more fuel

@unclebob7937 2 жыл бұрын

@@1FiftyOverland I'm curious to see how the direct inj. Dual turbo's heads hold out over time and miles.

@1FiftyOverland 2 жыл бұрын

@@unclebob7937 I have almost 116,000 miles on my 2015 2.7l f150. Loaded down for camping alot its holding up. We dont have hardly any failures of the 3.5 or 2.7l Ecobeasts

@johnlincicum6390 2 жыл бұрын

@@1FiftyOverland nah, they'd be almost idling up the hill with a Ford 460 and a C6 transmission, and old Buick Electra 225 with a 455 and TH400 sure would too.

@thomasjohn8632 2 жыл бұрын

I always enjoy when these 2 sit down and work together

@danbris325 2 жыл бұрын

Loved the episode

@kevinparks777 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the hard top bronco would have been fine with one piece of rubber weather stripping to remove the rattle

@Dan.mapp. 2 жыл бұрын

exactly what I thought...or a piece of felt stuck between the panel till they're replaced

@iamnid 2 жыл бұрын

I believe I read that the roofs have been recalled for those broncos -- maybe THAT fixes the sound?

@veganpotterthevegan 2 жыл бұрын

@@iamnid That and the fact that it looks like a toddler glued carpeting on it. It looks incredibly cheap and poorly done

@Nathan_King 2 жыл бұрын

I doubt any felt producers where interested in sponsoring their channel, so they went with plan B.

@deandesrosiers6857 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The squeaks are simply a loose fit with plastic friction fit handles. Mine does not squeak at all and perhaps its climate. I have had my roof on and off a few times so it’s been “used”.

@ToastedTostito 2 жыл бұрын

Ford offers a hitch extender as an accessory for times like these. That might have helped with hitch visibility

@anthonyc1883 2 жыл бұрын

Andrey rockin' new shades!

@lukestoyz 2 жыл бұрын

That same adapter that they used on the FJ is what I had installed on my FJ at Uhaul and wired to a standard brake controller. It wasn’t that expensive and was a simple job for them. I would have installed it myself but ran out of time for a trip.

@dcl97 2 жыл бұрын

The tow rating on the Bronco is limited by the trailer sway response max damping ratio according to modern SAE J2807 testing standards. In other words the soft suspension compresses too much in a trailer sway condition. If it was released 10 years ago it would easily have a 5,000lb + tow rating.

@joreldavis4069 2 жыл бұрын

4Runner TRD Pro can pull 5,000 times with off road suspension and Toyota use SAE J2807.

@dcl97 2 жыл бұрын

@@joreldavis4069 A Badlands Bronco has an RTI of 700 (according to Ford), a Wrangler Rubicon has an RTI of 693. The 4runner is a mere 420. Not really a comparable vehicle to the others as far as suspension travel is concerned.

@joreldavis4069 2 жыл бұрын

@@dcl97 does SAE J2807 consider RTI in their score rating?

@motoxrich1 2 жыл бұрын

@@joreldavis4069 No, but I think you're missing his point.

@JohnSmith-zi9or 2 жыл бұрын

@@joreldavis4069 The Toyota also needs a sway control device when towing over 2,000lbs. Same problem.

@Wheelman1966 2 жыл бұрын

I pull a small box trailer (3,500 to 4,000 lbs) with my '99 Ford Ranger. In the mountains of central AZ we have grades similar to the Ike. Going downhill I just set the cruise control to 45 and pull it into 2nd gear. It will hold 45 down the entire grade. No brakes needed. No fancy tech. Been doing it for the past 15 years with the same truck, still runs like a top.

@joebleed 2 жыл бұрын

Yea, i got to drive a 2020 ranger fx4 while on vacation in CO. if you don't set the cruse control, it seemed to happily accelerate down hill if you were in auto mode. you set the cruse and it would downshift more often trying to engine brake; but not great. using sport mode and manually shifting worked better.

@oocombz 2 жыл бұрын

Well since I have one of these on order it's good to know that I didn't get the hitch to delay it any longer. Lol 🤣 my family literally looked at me weird when I told them that I was going to keep my truck and have the bronco with getting rid of my commuter car. From what you guys have shown here I definitely need to keep my F-150 for when I tow.

@robertfoghis773 2 жыл бұрын

Hey guys. I watch all your content and I truly appreciate your non biased reviews. I work for a Ford dealer and I appreciate the honesty. I'm wondering, maybe if you guys could do a video on the downhill portion, but manually shifting. How would that affect the downhill brake applications. Would be very interesting to see. Thank you and keep up the good work.

@TFLtruck 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. FYI: We’ve done this in the past but then is becomes a test of the driver and not the vehicle.

@gogofastful 2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck It's a meaningless test because the transmission is designed to slow the vehicle in the mountains. Just using the brakes is dangerous.

@timlong1462 2 жыл бұрын

Ya that’s what I immediately thought. Even when I’m not towing I put my automatic into 2nd or 3rd when going down passes. To me all the tow haul modes on cars are worthless, they are just holding a gear the same way. I guess it’s for people that don’t know this. This “brake over 50” test really only tests the software. Since the FJ doesn’t have that this shows nothing.

@timlong1462 2 жыл бұрын

@@TFLtruck I think they meant manually selecting a gear in the auto, not manual trans. Should’ve put the FJ in 2nd or 3rd (whatever gear equates to about 50mph) since it doesn’t have a tow haul mode that does this for you. Anyone who knows how to tow safety would do this, so letting it coast in D isn’t really showing us anything except that gravity works.

@joezephyr 2 жыл бұрын

The reason for the Ford towing restrictions at altitude is simple. If the transmission burns out Ford will say you failed to follow the manual therefore it is not covered under warranty.

@ALMX5DP 2 жыл бұрын

I dont think that's at all, given any dealer visit or warranty work would likely occur without much investigation into what weights were towed or what specific altitudes they were towed at. The restrictions are a bit sneeky, but many such restrictions exist regardless of model or brand.

@gratedbacon0935 2 жыл бұрын

@@ALMX5DP that’s not true, especially with ford. they look into everything. some brands are like that but yeah

@ALMX5DP 2 жыл бұрын

@@gratedbacon0935 it’s written as just a note, separate from warnings just before in the owners manual. "Your vehicle could have reduced performance when operating at high altitudes and when heavily loaded or towing a trailer. When driving at elevation, to match driving performance as perceived at sea level, reduce gross vehicle weight and gross combination weight by 2% per 1,000 ft (300 m) elevation." So it's not a restriction at all, just telling an owner that their experience towing at higher elevations wont match what they might be accustomed to at sea level.

@J-W.- 2 жыл бұрын

Atleast with extended warranties we handle we use to ask excessive towing but recently dropped it. If vehicle didn't come into the shop with trailer noway we can ever prove that.

@goomgoom5504 2 жыл бұрын

Really great video! Andre and Tommy you two present really well together, probably the best combination of presenters at TFL.

@carrdoug99 2 жыл бұрын

Great job guys👍 I wonder if Ford will apply any of this information going forward? Namely shed some pounds, or introduce an overland addition with some modification to the suspension (increasing payload & towing).

@DeanJohnson67 2 жыл бұрын

not sure when this was recorded but I was keeping an eye out in-case as I was on this exact route on 8/7 and again on 8/17 in the stock JT-R w/4klb travel trailer behind! definitely hunted gears a-lot in places on the uphills but did a great job downshifting on the downhills! Total 1/way trip length was 1100 miles avg was 9.5 mpg east to west and return west to east was 10.2 mpg.... don't know it's name but coming back from leadville theres a sharp u turn uphill that I couldn't hit 50mph on and was near redline!

@gijoecam 2 жыл бұрын

I really believe this type of 'downhill' towing test is really more a reflection of the wind resistance than any particular towing capability. Obviously those systems that will downshift to hold speed are different.

@christianglaude6659 2 жыл бұрын

Lol For a second, thought I was watching "Off the Ranch"

@austinw7028 2 жыл бұрын

You guys have had more exposure to the brand new territory m/ts than anyone probably, via your trx and bronco. I would love to hear your thoughts on these tires and how they compare to ko2s duratracs, etc. Saw the trl talk episode with the goodyear folks, but am interested to know your real world impressions. Keep up the awesome videos.

@aguywithajeep 2 жыл бұрын

Our outer banks model has a 7 and 4 pin connector and factory hitch. Just picked it up from the dealer last week.

@028943182 2 жыл бұрын

But they made it sound like such a big deal.

@vdub5818 2 жыл бұрын

First editions did not get tow package

@vdub5818 2 жыл бұрын

@@028943182id imagine it's much like with the wrangler. Taking a non tow package wrangler and installing the tow package afterwards is a pain. To do it properly involves lots of wiring harness work, which basically requires full interior disassembly, and the BCM must be coded for it to function properly. Not a huge deal but it isn't a quick bolt/plug in installation.

@bradenstuart4074 2 жыл бұрын

Let’s see 4 Runner TRD Pro vs Bronco vs Wrangler rubicon!

@dirtbagliberalsnake5729 2 жыл бұрын

392 wrangler

@morrisonjohnw 2 жыл бұрын

I’m always impressed with our 4Runner on that pass. The downhill speed limit is around 90mph for summit county locals though…just watch out for that one heaved section in the second to last right turn.

@andrewcosta5001 2 жыл бұрын

"We had him tested"🤣🤣

@JustinKingOffroad 2 жыл бұрын

andre has the same cold I had a week ago lol! i sounded exactly the same.

@wade7959 2 жыл бұрын

You sounded like a Russian with a Buhanka! 😜

@brianmccarthy8215 2 жыл бұрын

I’m surprised you guys didn’t use a scanguage to monitor the other temps on the fj

@stephenp8644 2 жыл бұрын

I think the key phrase that most people miss is "If you want to get sea level performance you need to decrease trailer weight by two percent for every 1000 feet of elevation". For everyone who has trailer towing knowledge and experience knows you will not get the same performance towing uphill that you would get on flat land at sea level. Did you hear the comment about the commercial trucks traveling at 25-30 MPH going uphill? Whatever towing capacity your vehicle is rated at it will tow in the mountains as well as at sea level... just not as fast. Also the "tow/haul" mode originally disabled the overdrive in the transmission for the purpose of towing in the mountains without burning up the transmission constantly jumping in and out of overdrive. If you don't have a "tow/haul" button, just shift out of overdrive to regular drive (NEVER neutral!). Good review guys!

@ckl8a 2 жыл бұрын

I get that you drive them all in the same manner for consistency to compare different trucks, but especially in the case of the FJ, with no tow/haul mode, I would like to see another run where you do some manual shifting and see how it actually tows. if my truck's not going to grade shift for me, I'll pull it down a gear or two to save my brakes, and if it's constantly hunting for the right gear on the way up, I'll just put it in the right gear and leave it there. even for trucks with tow mode, it would be cool to see how well it works compared to the driver taking control

@mattward330 2 жыл бұрын

Man I think stage 3 turbos and tuning getting the 2.7 up to about 500hp will make the Bronco so much fun to drive. I hope you guys do it!

@caspforge 2 жыл бұрын

That would be cool. I dont think they will do that. They never modify their cars to that extent but would be cool if they did

@TheSkinnyMechanic 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing available to tune the 21’ eco boost motors. (Sucks because I wanted to add to my 21’ 3.5 F150) The new ecm can’t be cracked as the encryption key is apparently to good now. If you want aftermarket tune your going to be waiting a bit longer.

@mattward330 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkinnyMechanic i mean yes but it will be figured out eventually or it'll come to an ecm swap.

@johnpeters9793 2 жыл бұрын

@T-boe the first You do realize the original broncos were 6 cylinders...not to mention the full size bronco also was available with the I6. Please don't look up the original corvette power train....it'll make your head explode.

@HAHA.GoodMeme 2 жыл бұрын

@T-boe the first the ecoboost makes more power especially at elevation....

@nateroberts235 2 жыл бұрын

The FJ doesn't have a "tow/haul" mode, but Toyota also says you shouldn't tow in overdrive, so the downhill run should've been done in 4th gear which would've added a little engine braking.

@SouthDFWrep Жыл бұрын

The bronco doesn’t have a tow/haul mode either

@Malc664 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the towing world Tommy, now you know of the Drop On 3.5 tonne hitch. DO35 has been the pick for towing offroad.

@JF-rf9fx 2 жыл бұрын

That 4.0 wailing up the hill is what I hear in my nightmares😫

@stout_tossme7541 2 жыл бұрын

She is loud. Every time mine shifts down I cringe. Lol.

@levicharles996 2 жыл бұрын

I thank you guys for exposing that tow rating in relation to the elevation. I feel like in all these years they have never said anything about tow rating as you go up in elevation.

@chriswilson433 2 жыл бұрын

I find it a little suspicious that the only places it is listed is on digital towing guides…over-the-air updates anyone?

@socalson7492 2 жыл бұрын

It’s just a CYA feature. Ford just doesn’t want to be sued. Chances are you’ll be absolutely fine towing the max weight over any elevation.

@mattbrew11 2 жыл бұрын

@@socalson7492 at 245 oil temp im not sure the 3500 max rating is safe at least on the ike gauntlet of about 6 passes in arizona ive crossed, especially between may and September

@IrocZIV 2 жыл бұрын

It's really just a matter of physics. They could also say you'd get better towing performance below sea level. All cars are going to have performance differences based on the amount of O2 available.

@ebnhahn1993 2 жыл бұрын

Exposing!!??. THis theory applies to every AUTOMAKER Trucks!!!. FORD just happen to be the ONLY one who chooses to mention!. Regardless of this Disclaimer, FORD Trucks Trumped the RAM, GMC and Chevy when they were tested by TFL up the IKE and close to the MAX tow ratings!!.

@arnoldalexanderguzman8215 2 жыл бұрын

We need to see the FJ at max towing now. 🙏🏻😊

@waqarawan1418 2 жыл бұрын

Not made for towing - recon send both to trans aus trip. I am certain only only one will return lol :)

@TigersPops Жыл бұрын

I live in Colorado and have a NOBO 10.5 if you ever want a smaller camper to tow in a video that’s in the 3,500lb range let me know! Live the vids, keep’em coming!

@hudsrob4017 2 жыл бұрын

I used an RF brake controller and it worked well.

@wheelerk2012 2 жыл бұрын

Nice! Now when are you taking the Bronco to MOAB?

@pernell4351 2 жыл бұрын

Like see how the manual transmission one will do.

@OG-SoaringFalcon 2 ай бұрын

FYI, the 2024 Bronco is prewired for both the hitch (7 and 4 pin onnector) and the TBC. It was a nice surprise when we took delivery of it. The hitch kit is $300 and the TBC is $350, the tow module in the hitch kit does need to be activated by the dealer or via Forscan!

@markbroad119 2 жыл бұрын

I did have a 30' horse trailer which was a 4 pin connection. However if you splice the brake wire into the brake lights it will work with your tow brake controller.

@146348 2 жыл бұрын

So where’s the Bronco vs Jeep towing (comparison) video?

@michaelstringer1840 2 жыл бұрын

I'm curious how the manual with the 2.3 would be towing.

@philtripe 2 жыл бұрын

fine for around town or a short camp trip... Highway is a different story

@douglas685 2 жыл бұрын

@@philtripe Eh I disagree. 3500lbs isn't much and the 2.3l has 325lbft of torque with 91 octane. Probably plop it in 4th at around 3500rpm where the turbo really starts producing and cruise up whatever hill you're climbing.

@nnns415 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. S=D/T, S=60 (maintaining), D=Fixed, So T will always be around 8 mins.

@tickle-4797 2 жыл бұрын

Nice sunglasses, Andre!

@WW-wf8tu 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting test. And new information about the nuances of the Bronco. Strange the gearing indicator disappears so you do not know what gear you are in. Very loud experience with the rag top. Get over the Buhanka bug soon Andre. lol

@wat3rdog25 2 жыл бұрын

Come on Ford, absolutely NEED a tow haul mode. No pickup bed means towing a trailer for hauling stuff around town at the very least. I will definitely be pulling my off road camper. Sure hope Ford is paying attention to this test and future customers. Love that the FJ is the benchmark as I’m looking to add the Bronco to my Toyota family of vehicles.

@jabroni6199 2 жыл бұрын

Just use sport mode. It has nearly the same shift characteristics. Not as good as a dedicated tow/haul mode but a whole lot better than normal mode.

@wat3rdog25 2 жыл бұрын

@@jabroni6199 great to know. Thanks.

@Shadow_Wolf_190 2 жыл бұрын

You want to add a Bronco what Toyota models do you have?

@wat3rdog25 2 жыл бұрын

@@Shadow_Wolf_190 16Tundra and an 18 Sequoia both with the 5.7. Love em both.

@loadedvideo 2 жыл бұрын

I can hear that soft top rattle in the wind!

@twagn 2 жыл бұрын

Bronco rig is my dream rig

@davidhillbrand2302 2 жыл бұрын

Realizing that the FJ does not have a tow/haul mode, you should use manual shifting. The driver should know how and when to intervene.

@rickyjohnson1034 2 жыл бұрын

in the real world. Just slow to about 50 Mph and use fourth and just climb.

@heathwirt8919 2 жыл бұрын

@@rickyjohnson1034 Correct, the driver must find the speed and gear that the vehicle can maintain without over stressing the engine, transmission, brakes and cooling system. Taking a few more minutes to get to the top is not going to make a difference.

@rerod650 2 жыл бұрын

@tfltruck back with the 80s and 90s trucks before “tow/haul” button it was standard practice to always tow locking out the overdrive. Does the manual of these two newer vehicles but no tow/haul say anything similar or do they recommend towing in overdrive?

@ToyotaNutjob 2 жыл бұрын

Good question

@ryanmartinage 2 жыл бұрын

Many vehicles do recommend to put it in a certain arrangement for towing. My tundra I believe is supposed to be put in s4

@MrLuisinho90 2 жыл бұрын

Toyota recommends to lock out of overdrive on the FJ Cruiser while towing, so I believe this recommendation in vehicles w/o tow-haul mode remains true

@devinbender8428 2 жыл бұрын

Locking out O/D wouldn’t help the 2/3 3/4 shifting.

@moe_2412 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Vermeer trencher on that trailer.

@troutriver58 Жыл бұрын

great test. would love to see the Wrangler Rubicon diesel under the exact same test. My guess is it would overheat but I could be wrong.

@jh77sly 2 жыл бұрын

Now I wonder what my 93 Crown Victoria would rate on the Ike. It's rated at 4000/5000 towing (without/with weight distributing hitch).

@nickknee3515 2 жыл бұрын

Them Crown Vicks are beast, with that V8 I'm sure can tow the moon.

@jh77sly 2 жыл бұрын

Stopping it is the key though. I know it can pull it. But I wanna know if it'll stop it.

@nickknee3515 2 жыл бұрын

@@jh77sly If it still has drum brakes all around I would alittle worried.

@jh77sly 2 жыл бұрын

4 wheel disc, but front vented and rear solid.

@johndeerefarmer4483 2 жыл бұрын

Good video. Thanks. Ford does offer a trailer brake controller in the Build and Price. Look at the bottom under Accessories

@theseb1979 2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Lumens brake controller $339 option

@ragnarocks9121 2 жыл бұрын

I kept screeching and screeching at my TV that a controller can be had from the factory.

@devinbender8428 2 жыл бұрын

No real point. No state requires a trailer brake unless your over 3500lb. All it would help with is saving your car brakes

@johndeerefarmer4483 2 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 It would help greatly in towing in the mountains like TFL does

@devinbender8428 2 жыл бұрын

@@johndeerefarmer4483 most new cars have engine braking when going down hill. So unless you have to stop fast going down hill, it won’t make much of a difference. Just don’t drive like a maniac.

@jasonreed7642 2 жыл бұрын

my Outer Banks has a tow mode on it. It came factory with the hitch system.

@brucehessenthaler3173 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting info! Towing is more than a bit anti-happy i.e. SAD. Can you please post the URL's for the trailer hitch and wiring harness? Thx.

@redhotstanger 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2017 Ford Transit T150 Ecoboost, in cruise control, it will grade shift and hold speed, I wonder if the Bronco would do the same with cruise control on?

@garys2157 2 жыл бұрын

Is it the 3.5 with the ten speed?

@redhotstanger 2 жыл бұрын

@@garys2157 its not, its the 6 speed.

@valet132011 2 жыл бұрын

I love the new bronco...just wish it could tow alil more.

@michaelfoulkes9502 2 жыл бұрын

3500 lbs is pretty weak.

@douglas685 2 жыл бұрын

I do love though that it kept the 3500lb for the 2 door with manual transmission and 2.3l. That's a huge plus for me as that's exactly what I'm ordering. I feel like 3500lb for the 4 door with 2.7l is weak sauce though. Especially considering the bronco is supposed to be a truck replacement/alternative. I feel like they should offer a max tow pack with 5,000 limit, even if it means things like tightening up the rear suspension on that package and beefier F150 cooling.

@richcreager7877 Жыл бұрын

Those tow numbers are way less than what it's capable of towing. I have a Sasquatch and have had 5000 on it and never had a problem. Now I wouldn't try IKE Gaunlet with that much but here in Missouri piece of cake

@leesonneville1817 2 жыл бұрын

Man 68 dB pulling a trailer uphill is a dream. My old Montero sits at about 100 dB on the highway. We actually wear earplugs.

@DuaneCaldwell 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video guys! Interesting that Ford doesn't have 7-pin connectors yet. I like those Boreas campers. I think TFLOffroad needs to do a comparison with different models of "offroad" trailers. I'd love to see the reality of living with pulling one of those campers in a true overland mode. You guys do that kind of thing the best.

@devinbender8428 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t need 7 pin for a >3500lb trailer.

@DuaneCaldwell 2 жыл бұрын

@@devinbender8428 don't need Sirius/XM radio, power windows, USB ports, leather power adjustable seats, or AC, but Ford puts them in anyway because people want them and are willing to pay for them.

@chrisb5986 2 жыл бұрын

The 2.7 with the 10-speed tows very well in my F-150. I would love one of those Broncos. The FJ is rubbish for towing.

@joesprague1464 2 жыл бұрын

Should I ditch the FJ and my off road trailer that I tow behind it? Does anyone want this rubbish? 2014 FJ trd with 2015 off road trailer.

@earl60446 2 жыл бұрын

@@joesprague1464 In my area, a 2014 FJ has a asking price of about$33k to $36K. So yes, a lot of people want a FJ. 6 months ago those prices were lower.

@joesprague1464 2 жыл бұрын

@@earl60446 Perhaps then I'll suffer through a few more years of ownership of the fj that "tows like rubbish".It has 60k miles on it and has been dealer maintained.I have maint records also.Altho I wouldn't feel honest dumping it on someone else.

@earl60446 2 жыл бұрын

@@joesprague1464 Always thinking of your fellow man.

@fritty9927 2 жыл бұрын

@@joesprague1464 love the sarcasm 😄

@walterlynch4820 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. At 7.8 mpg, the 2D Bronco with the 16.9 gallon tank will have to be refueled about every 100 miles (assuming refuel at 1/4 tank).

@Sir...... 2 жыл бұрын

youre not climbing an ike gauntlet the whole trip.....

@mikehub6664 2 жыл бұрын

@@Sir...... towing my 6k travel trailer at 65mph netted a 10.9mpg avg for me. I had a 200mi range avg on my 2010 pathfinder. Seems like a reasonable expectation when towing near the max capacity. It’s about the same for a 9k trailer on a v8 f150.

@patcoder7308 2 жыл бұрын

That long lever on the colum pull down

@tfwoodcraft 2 жыл бұрын

What trans temp should you pull over and give it a cooldown break? My Gladiator was getting up to like 217 or so going over cameron pass with a trailer.

@NoNumberListed 2 жыл бұрын

Tommy is trying very hard to sell people a FJ

@russellrutledge1663 2 жыл бұрын

Because it's the better option despite being 7 years older

@CoyoteFTW 2 жыл бұрын

@@russellrutledge1663 - No it’s not, not even close you’re a Toyota fanboy

@triumphrider9396 2 жыл бұрын

@@CoyoteFTW You know nothing

@jimmyspencer4019 2 жыл бұрын

Can't believe u had to get that 4 pin to a 7 custom made. I had a 2007 canyon a few years back with a 4 pin and went to farm and fleet and bought a 4 to a 7 pin.

@fritty9927 2 жыл бұрын

Likewise

@dobermanracing 2 жыл бұрын

Uhaul even sell them for like $25

@jabroni6199 2 жыл бұрын

They’re all over Amazon too

@gerardor1702 2 жыл бұрын

Autozone sells them

@jmanlinc 2 жыл бұрын

I can make one for $10 cad in 30 min including the time to drive to princess auto and by the parts. But realistically I just convert any 4 pin to 7 pin permanently

@000Virtual 2 жыл бұрын

Bronco vs Wrangler Rubicon vs 4 Runner TRD Pro. Love the new look of the Bronco and think it might be best to wait to fix a few problems they have. Guy up the road just hit 550,000 miles on his 4 Runner and he is not easy on it. Wish I would have got one of those Toyota YJ's but have no room inside of them. They go for a fortune now and last maybe long like the 4runner.

@chrisdrake7352 2 жыл бұрын

I thought I was watching “Off the Ranch” with that intro music!

@RCPropaganda 2 жыл бұрын

so people can still just get a cold, who knew.

@ALMX5DP 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like that 10k ft thing is just a note to tell owners that their truck wont perform the same at altitude, not to restrict towing to save any component or overheating. From 2021 F-150 owner's manual. "Your vehicle could have reduced performance when operating at high altitudes and when heavily loaded or towing a trailer. When driving at elevation, to match driving performance as perceived at sea level, reduce gross vehicle weight and gross combination weight by 2% per 1,000 ft (300 m) elevation."

@wade7959 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. That makes it more clear.

@ryanfillmore 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, but that soft top allows for too much road noise. Really looking forward to watching tow tests on the non-sasquatch Bronco's.

@stout_tossme7541 2 жыл бұрын

I tow with my 5th gen 4 runner. It shifts down when going downhill and holds the speed pretty good. But I use cruise. Maybe that is it. My 4 runner does shift a bit holding speed. I only tow 3500 to 4k (the most I have towed).