Now personally I would argue Star WARS might have been political from the beginning, which obviously isn‘t bad or good by itself, you still need to make a good movie besides that.

I've actually spoken to dumb dumbass before who claimed to have an interest in DnD, her reasoning? 'I think it's really important to show it's not just for mega nerds and to make it mainstream!' People like this actually exist I imagine she'd say something similar about other popular things in Geek Culture. what a fucking insult I'm appalled some people can't see how stupid their own thoughts are

​@PhilfreezeCH Never looked at Star Wars being anything political. I see it now with the new Disney stuff.

I had a couple of typos.

@@PhilfreezeCH Making a film political with subtlety and good writing isn't inherently bad. When it's in your face and ham-fisted is when it starts to make the film feel like soulless shit.

true progression, the force is strong in you.

That's pretty apt description of the true fanbase. Thankfully for those of us with physical media, we'll never lose the beloved but displaced EU and stories from that time.

The second Stan lee stepped out they were doomed, whole company is corporate drones now and drones would rather run off a cliff holding a “proven formula” than take the slightest creative risk.

You forgot rage after betrayal as we were told it was >us< that was the problem because we're toxic fans for wanting what Star Wars was at its core for 40 years before this feckless fucktards bought it.

It does kind of feel like we went through the 5 stages of grief.

If you challenge someone to tell you Luke Skywalkers backstory...most can do it in a few sentences. What is Rei's backstory?

@@hankkingsley9183she’s a………… Mary Sue? Product of Darth Kennedy

Wanted to milk one last time.GLAD Carrie didNT SEE

Wisdom and insight are not qualities I would attribute to Rey Palpatine.

She’s an alien who was birthed from an egg. And her power level is over 9000

Exactly. They alienate the fans that made these IPs popular in the mistaken belief that they have to take the IP and make it palatable for the “mainstream” general public. Problem is that the mainstream were never interested in the first place and changing it ruins it for the original fanbase.

truer words have been spoken. You are wise young Buddha

They sold their souls to the devil.

Respectfully, I would disagree with your last assertion. If profit was what they were after they would have stopped this train when they found there were no profits to be had. I would argue that they killed these franchises because of pride and jealousy. Pride in that they wanted something they created themselves to be successful and beloved; Jealousy because they knew nothing they created could do nearly as well as a franchise that already existed.

​@@benjaminbadger8235Yep and everything original that they did create they ruined with an annoying sequel which nobody really asked for

👏 yes 😂

That’s what happens when you develop a “Too big to fail” mentality. When you think you can do no wrong, you lose the ability to care about your product. Or your fanbase.

That's were the personal political beliefs of those in charge interfered with the creative aspect of the show and replaced it to deliver their "message" so no actual coherent story that made any sense was ever envisaged.

Classic symptom of "design by committee", an actual writer would have a plan in mind for the story and characters, with setup and payoff. The committee doesnt have any real plans or ideas.

You know what... I didn't think the sequels truly needed to follow LLH, we didn't need sequels - that was such a lazy choice. The Return of the Jedi ended with a "And they all lived happily ever after", like old stories used to. I really think we could and should have got a KOTR style set of movies.

And I'm here to see Disney have another implosion and not learn any of their lessons.

You might be onto something here.🤔

I think itll be better and worse in some ways. Better in the sense that itll likely have a higher production value than the marvels cause Rey is KK's baby but worse in the sense that the writing will be awful, average acting, and an even worse bastardization of a franchise

women are terribly written in movies....nothing feels earned...

@@MurrayLime in most movies yeah and thats because they arent written to be people, theyre written to be a message disguised as a person. I saw this a lot in a broader sense with Christian movies growing up because they would disguise sermons as movies. Its the same thing just on a character level with a different ideology.

Time?

@@bydlaq 3:18

What's the beef with Stuckmann? Have I missed something?

What's going on with chris? Why are people suddenly talking about him?

Stuckman isn't bad. He's just milquetoast and gives too much leniency to the modern cults warping everything movie related. He's one of those guys that won't ever get canceled because he won't every say anything provocative or controversial.

Andor was outstanding. How on earth it even managed to get made at todays Lucasfilm still baffles me. Kennedy must have been distracted at that time by other things and actually allowed the show running to make a good show without her “expert” advice.

Andor builds Star Wars lore in a good way. I liked it.

​@@humansvd3269Andor crew borderline sounds like the only people capable of adapting Kotor or making a spin off. I just hope that if this becomes true it disincentivizes EA from dropping Bioware and maybe even gets a good Kotor 3 (or 4 if you count the MMORPG as Kotor 3) started.

Andor was dogshit

@Yeastextract no it wasn't. I lived seeing the background world being built and the regular people of star wars living in the age of the empire

Or it'll be a little boy complaining, "but how can I be as good as you cause I'm not a girl?" Rey, "well you can be silly!" *shudders*

"Use the power hidden deep within your 2 X chromosomes."

Marey Sue: Well, padawan, today it will be gender studies, intersectional feminism and critical race theory.

@@johnwaxman555We just won’t talk about sidelining Finn as a potential Jedi. Because reasons. 🤣😂

You kinda have to time skip past rey to make any kinda story worthwhile. I made up a story of a cain and abel type where one padawan kills the master of the two that was trained by rey, and the other padawan becomes a leader of the new republic and tries to hunt the other down to thwart the dark side. The evil one builds a pirate empire that uses the same hit and run tactics of the resistance, but for the dark side, and works to build his own empire within the republic. He's also driven further and further to the dark side because of his relationships, and the deaths that occur from the good padawan's doing (the good padawan kills the apprentice of the dark one). I just made that up one day, and i feel like it's a better story than any dogshit disney will pump out for a while.

The wild grin as he said it made it perfect: «Feels _great_ !» 😂

"Feels great."

Bitter.

@@0That_Guy0 Hanging on a quiet desperation is the fandom's way. The time's up, our franchises over, even SEGA won't be safe...

Heh heh, I got that PF reference@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370

Two years ago they pulled down a statue of Thomas Jefferson that had been in the NYC city hall for 187 years.Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, he literally started the country. The decision was made in an 8-0 vote by the city's "Public Design Commission" saying it "doesn't represent contemporary values"... "All men are created equal" -Thomas Jefferson

I can see that was a quote from the book, 1984. Only history hasn't stopped, they aren't done tampering with it yet, and when you think you know the correct way to think, you are still wrong and must be taught again.

​@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatmy goodness..

@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat What, just men!? What about the more powerful and deserving wamens, or the LGBIQTABCXYZ ruling class??? 🙄

@@Nostromo2144I think your comment may have been ce n sored by g oo gle I don't see int in the thread, just my replies.

Yea I can't stand stuckman, he'll praise any shitty movie as long as it seems artsy

Yeah, his opinion is worthless. Real journalism is fearless. He wants to bootlick.

@@maximos905 Or maybe he judges movie with a different criteria? After all, he aspires to be a film director. I like the drinker, but bringing up Chris Stuckman seems cheap to me. And when was Gina Carano's whatever's named character popular with fans? She's like the worst actress of the Mandalorian show. She makes Jason Momoa look like Laurence Olivier actingwise and has all the charisma of Rei Palpatine.

Stuckman is a hack and a shill. I wouldn't trust his film reviews anymore than I would trust Joe Biden to form a coherent sentence.

@@dailyplanet354 no, he just has shit standards and plays everything safe to get into Hollywood. No authenticity. Stop simping for Stuckman. He won’t notice you. Just say you hate Gina Carano and go on your way. You have no merit in this discussion. “He aspires to be a film director” someone with a backbone as non existent has his has no chance being a film director. You’re really coping with this one.

Lucas would have done it for his sequel trilogy, a sequel where there's no thrawn or jacen.

@@EternalEmperorofZakuulwhy is it whenever anyone takes Disney to task, one of you HAS to insert George into it?

@@darthgamer9861 because Lucas had ideas for his prequels which included Maul and his Apprentice Darth talon being the bad guys, which Disney ignored. You know what his sequel trilogy would be about right

TOTALLY agree. When I read that announcement back in the day, I thought it was a dick move on many levels. A slap to the writers, the fans, everyone who'd invested emotional energy into it. That's why I haven't seen any Star Wars content since 2005. They took the work of their betters and ignored it, thinking they could produce superior work in only a single year what had taken years to build.

The funny thing, is that when they announced EU exclusion, I wasn't all that upset, because I never thought most (some were excellent) of them were good enough to stand toe to toe with the OG SW stories, but now I'd BEG to have the EU used as a blueprint, because however little I thought of it back in the day, those stories are LIGHT years ahead of whatever the mess they've made is now. Woof.

Best comment.

Disney was so big to me I've not only seen every movie from Snow White to present day multiple times, my kids have too. Pixar was always pure gold from childhood to adulthood. Now? Eh, I don't even care for modern Pixar, I'm the only one in our family that watched Strange World (or whatever) and that was difficult to get through Its sad how bad it's become, I still hold hope it'll eventually go back to the roots, but it's definitely not there now and it's so bad the Disney logo has become "yeah, not watching that".. which kinda hurts to acknowledge.

That is literally the only power we have. I will not be renewing my Disney+ once it expires. I will not be buying any merchandise or visiting any of their theme parks.

Nice. I've been waiting to see this comment. Fans complain, but they still line up for this trash. I know that lots of youtubers keep saying that the new trilogy "failed," but the reality is that each movie made more than a billion dollars at the box office alone.

Same 100% done with SW series and films, D+ cancelled too

But why? What has Chris Stuckman done to him? The guy seems to be doing his own thing. Sure, the passion for reviewing movies seems to be gone but still. Pretty cheap shot if you ask me. This is by far the Drinker's worst video just for that and saying Gina Carano was popular among fans. I suppoused a bland wood plank may have some fans these days, as long as they held the same political oppinions.

Who the heck is Chris Stuckman?

@@dailyplanet354 amazing how literally everything you said was wrong. Take a look at yourself before you call someone else out kid.

@@blacklivesorblackvotes2985 Care to elsborate, please. Where was I wrong, exactly, kid?

@@dailyplanet354cope

"The illusion free choice".

after that he started talking about Israel and the American Empire

-The Bible*

Rich and stupid makes you automatically evil? Why did no one tell me!? Sorry Bruce Wayne, you played for the wrong side.

Hitler is one of the most evil people in history, but he was the reason VW was created and Porsche was able to actually take off, which VW has done a LOT for the car industry, and he created a stable economy for Germany after WW1 (even though he got it pretty much destroyed from WW2 anyway). Evil CAN create, but that doesn't make someone not evil.

Imagination requires a soul. Destruction only requires a body.

That’s so dumb lmao. You think you can’t appreciate andor?

Disney Star Wars and kk hate men in general. Not just white all men

@@brandizzle301Andor is great, and also unfortunately a fluke

@@brandizzle301that’s ONE of how many shows/movies? Mando went to hell in season3, ever other Disney Star Wars property is trash. Why should we bother?

I’ve never met you and I don’t like you either! 😅 /jk

"...feels great"

Pain… suffering

I mean, I grew up with really broad interests so not everything is ruined yet. 😂 On a brighter note, the Warhammer 40k community seems to be gatekeeping like hell to keep the activists out so that’s something.

I wouldn't call him wise...

YEP, SWars, Strek, MCU, Predator, Terminator, Robocop, X-men, Conan, Indiana Jones ,TMNT, Lotr, The Matrix, Jurassic Park all dying/ dead. Not holding my breath for Alien: Romulus or DCU. Ghostbusters still kicking with Frozen Empire, looks good.

and they only needed a few females, just like how a wife can turn a man to a millionaire.

Disney CEOs made Billions instead 😂

Bold of you to assume the Rey Palpatine movie will make millions

@Keverember hahaha. You're not wrong. Personally, I've been done with stat wars since The last Jedi, The rise of Skywalker took away my anger and frustration and replaced it with disinterest. The rest of the Fandom has gotten there. It hit some of us sooner. Marvel did the same thing to me over the kast couple of Years.

You could say they subverted expectations.

You and me both. I hadn’t heard of most of those shows until Drinker mentioned them. I was only familiar with the Mandalorian series because of the baby Yoda hype.

@@mikoto7693 Yea, Baby yoda hype…that was a fun few month.😂 Seriously though that is probably the only successful thing they’ve had since buying Star Wars…so naturally they had to ruin that too.

It’s honestly sad. Aside from baby Yoda, I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard anyone in public mention Star Wars

Same.

Most people did

Exactly

i quit at Leia resurrection scene, we just walked out from the cinema

Yep, I gave them a pass on ep 7, after last jedi I decided there are only ep 1-6, everything else is not star wars

Lmao I’m just laughing at Chris stuckmann catching strays 😂 does anyone know if him and drinker have beef or something? Is there some movie reviewer drama going on?

It's tragic. I was raised on star wars and spent my whole childhood and young adulthood reading EU novels and geeking out discussing all things star wars. If you had told me as a child that there'd be all these movies and TV shows--almost too many to keep track of--I'd have been ecstatic! Wouldn't be able to stand waiting all those years to finally see them! Its incredibly sad that for what now feels like a long time I have been completely tuned out on all things star wars. Got the original six films on DVD and a ton of paperbacks that my children will be able experience. That's enough. My little daughter is almost 3 and we have this newish star wars storybook that outlines each of the movies and mommy and I always make sure we finish before we get to the disney crap. I oughta just cut those pages out. My children will be told disney star wars is not actual SW and will not watch them. I'll teach them to laugh at and ridicule the whole body of Disney's Lucasfilm work.

If you told me as a kid that I would one day regard Mark Hamill as an insane garbage person driven to disgusting behavior over his hate for a single person I would have considered you to be a lying madman. But well... here we are.

@@sanguine2552 There's no beef between them chris stuckmann just became a hollywood shill recently when he realized he was destined to be a director. He became untrustworthy and twisted after his woke change of personality and career getting sold out and goes on praising any woke disney/Hollywood low budget clusterfuck. Wore the pride rainbow shirt the whole queer month and came out as bi whilst having 2 kids and a wife Just became unwatchable with his propaganda reviews

This makes me appreciate the Sith even more now

It's weird how it has divided what's left of Star Wars fans. I recommended Andor to someone and they said they wouldn't watch it because there were no lightsabers.

they can join the Flat Earthers and the 'The Moon Landings were faked' crowd

Well imagine that noise translates to money. I can't either.

It's Twitter. What do you expect?

I get it though. If you grew up in the 80s or had older siblings that did there's a charm and memory to that time period and the original film and story. And sometimes those memories can be really strong and attach to a positive time for people. For some of them maybe it's saying "No! Star Wars is still awesome."- subconsciously meaning the original 3 vs. the last few installments/spin-offs, etc. They defend it because it's still holds the name. Could be totally wrong though... and certainly some people actually love the way it is today. I don't like it - I found it unwatchable, but hey...

They just can't admit their favorite franchise has turned to shit so they'll defend it forever. The people who genuinely believe every show they've put out is good are either Disney shill bots or stupid as fuck.

Well, they had to put a chick in it and make her GAY! 😂

KKs "there is no material to adapt" also massively pissed off even the most loyal star wars fans of old. I also dont get it, Mara Jade, Nathasi Daala etc are all way cooler characters than any women disney ever wrote..

They took Thrawn and because they are too dumb to write such a clever character, made him look like a moron with a fancy vocabulary.

EU means sharing money with people you consider nobodies. They will never do that.

I quoted something from South Park... something with the word G.A.Y in it, and my comment got deleted. WTF is going on with YT algorithm

This is an intriguing idea.

You cant polish a turd despite what Myth Busters attempted. Disney Star Wars isnt just a turd its a liquid turd. Unpolishable.

We do not negotiate with tourorists (spelled wrong because youtube)

Just like with politicians. At this point, I would rather they draw their entire salaries and spend their entire terms on vacation. At least they wouldn't be able to do any more harm.

And they would launch a subscription model so you'd have to pay monthly for them not to release anything. This thing is rotten beyond its core

They won't because they are taking your tax dollars to keep it going. the corporations own the government by the way.

I have to say to use drinkers analogy. Me and my wife spent our entire 20s together, broke up badly around 30 and couldn't even be in the same room without bickering immediately, 5 years later married 2 daughters surprising comebacks happen but I'm not betting on Disney

Indolence breeds madness - Lae'zel

Apathy is death.

“I liked the movie. I liked it because it had things that I liked in it. A+” -Chris stuckman

"Pure pazaak" - Kathleen 'Fool' Kennedy

The United States is over 230 years old and is now firmly entrenched in the seventh stage of all civilizations (Apathy) with only Dependence and eventually Bondage ahead of it. *Apathy is the glove into which evil slips its eager hand.* The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through a nine stage sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacence to apathy; *from apathy to dependence; from dependency back again into bondage.* Apathy-- Bread and circuses This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirical poet Juvenal (c. 100 AD). In context, the Latin panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining interest of a Roman populace that no longer cares for its historical birthright of political involvement. Here Juvenal displays his contempt for *the declining heroism* of contemporary Romans, using a range of different themes, including lust for power and desire for old age to illustrate his argument. ---All of our modern heroic stories have been deconstructed and re-molded to fit "THE MESSAGE", creating apathy towards formerly inspiring tales of heroes and their accomplishments. Indiana Jones, Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings and so forth are no longer met with anticipation, but with apathy. By all appearances/perceptions, it would seem as though Liberal Marxists are tying to indoctrinate the masses with Cultural Marxist ideologies via entertainment and corporate pandering in the retail/consumer product sectors. Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as costly circus games and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power. The Annona (grain dole) was begun under the instigation of the aristocratic popularis politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BC; it remained an object of political contention *until it was taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors.* ---I'm making a point here, which you will see in a short bit. BELIEVE THAT! Steps one and two of the "Four steps for ideological subversion". (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985) Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). *During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people.* As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance. -Communism and Religion Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. *To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”* Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values. Dependence--- 2. Destabilization - the purpose of this step is to change the status quo, particularly the country's economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. *The intent is to create a massive government permeating society and becoming intrusive in the lives of its citizens.* This can take from two to five years to perform, again with the active support of academia pushing youth in this direction. Here, entitlements and benefits are promised to the populace to encourage their support. Basically, they are bribing the people to accept their programs. ---We are being forced into dependency by the government due to rising inflation and the migrant crisis, which is affecting housing and employment (in a nation which has outsourced most of its major manufacturing jobs). Hegelian Dialectic: Problem, Reaction, Solution Create a Liberalism/Marxist problem. Have the majority of the population react negatively to the problem (as intended). Offer the solution to the problem... Bondage--- Step 3 of the "Four Steps for Ideological Subversion" Crisis-This is a major step lasting up to six weeks and involves *a revolutionary change of power.* This is where a cataclysmic event (false flag event, civil war, invasion) upsets and divides the country thereby creating panic among the citizens. To Americans, symptoms would include circumventing the Constitution (re: Use "privately owned" social media sites to restrict free speech/First Amendment rights) and altering the checks and balances of government (see: Video and article I posted above), and possible martial law. Creation of economic financial and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and a breakdown of previously self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. The Cloward-Piven approach is used to create more takers than producers (higher population than available jobs, necessitating government aid) The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver things to meet people's needs through “hope and change” (ie: Hitler’s rise to power amidst a disenfranchised German population reeling from the effects of WW1) through social and economic justice. False illusion that the situation is under control if strategic directions are followed-Bailouts, regulations of industry and so forth. So the pendulum swings, now violently, now slowly; and every institution not only carries within it the seeds of its own dissolution, but prepares the way for its most hated rival. William Ralph Inge "Democracy and the Future" The Atlantic Monthly (March 1922) “The Communist soul is the soul of Judaism. Hence it follows that, just as in the Russian revolution the triumph of Communism was the triumph of Judaism, so also in the triumph of fascism will triumph Judaism.” - (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 143-144). The current Liberal Marxist institution prepares the way for their most hated rivals, Ultra-Orthodox Conservative Fascists, to come to power.

OH NO JESUS CHRIST THIS IS SAD !

All of those Bruce Timm run animated DC shows were great. I still watch Justice League and Justice League Unlimited all the time.

Funny thing about kids is they’re actually quite clever, and can often handle these larger questions and lessons and what better way to communicate them than through comics and hero’s? I worry so very much for the kid growing up today, because what lessons are the same avenues of media teaching them today? Nothing good I’d venture.

Star wars fans are not women haters, it's quite easy to write good sci fi women leads. Look at "The expense", Avasarala is such a powerful woman leader.. I could follow her anywhere. Camina is also excellent, a character with flaws and strengths.

yeah kids are not little adult there kids . there are not dumb specially with handle emotions but oh boy the next 2-3 decades we have to be strong

There are literally a ton of fantastic women characters in star wars book series. A ton.. and get this they could literally copy the books 1:1 and have great stories.. but they won't! Ha they'll make something new and fuck it up and for the life of me I just don't get it. Like just copy and paste and you'll be so successful. But nooo.. "we think the universe needs a woman who..: like stfu. focus on the story! Damn.

You missed nothing

Absolutely with you there. I was insulted, angry, disappointed and baffled by it. Rip My Childhood.

It was a horrible film. I did not watch the 'Rise' either. No need.

Rise was worse if you can believe that.

For the movies TLJ was my 'rage quit' point as well. I dropped the rest of the franchise partway through the Kenobi show. I immediately dropped D+ after that never to return.

Same. Other than myself despising Disney, I really do not like the new "fans". They'll push anyone out who has been fans for decades all because people don't like Disney Star Wars. I'll stick to the Skywalker Saga and that's it

So are you going to watch the new Star Wars movie and/or TV show? I'm willing to be that you've seen everything that Disney has released. If you don't want garbage, stop paying for it.

@@albertosillywhips7281 I haven't seen anything Disney Star wars since the sequel trilogy. I don't even have Disney plus. Please don't be an asshole and assume stuff

@@finkamain1621 yeah. I think personally the fandom has always been a bit "trigger happy" for lack of a better word (prequels vs ot or who shot first sorta stuff), but the new fans definitely are.... Something. Silver lining is that the new material has brought a lot of old fans of different parts of Star wars together :)

Ah, the necromancer's bane...

It's also the change of the franchise at its core, they changed it from an action adventure boys franchise into a intersectional feminist platform.

All by design

Stop. Giving. Your. Money. To Disney.

I remember thinking the other day that I have only been to the movies twice in the last 8 years. Now I understand why. Modern Hollywood simply doesn’t produce anything worth going to see anymore.

what "actors"? you mean the bunch of diversity quotas? yeah, big loss there!

@@harryhoudini714top of the list is Mark Hamill mate, doesn’t really fit your narrative though…

@GIBBO4182 Mark Hamill is a horrible person.

@@GIBBO4182Mark Hamill could've said "No," particularly after reading how they destroyed his iconic character. But he didn't. He's just as guilty. Which should be unsurprising considering the kind of person he's turned out to be.

@@_Jay_Maker_ how was he supposed to know what they were going to do with his character? Remember he would’ve signed up for the trilogy when the scripts hadn’t even been written for the movies!

I feel the same about Solo. It wasn't horrible, but it was DOA.

@@DeltaGolf791 Solo *was* pretty horrible, though...

​@@DeltaGolf791Solo was a bag of runny shit.

Pretty much. Rogue One & Andor are the only Disney productions I can give a nod to. Everything else goes straight to the trash. Andor is the only show I have any interest in viewing. They can announce 1000's of new shows and I could care less. No interest.

@@sjtwstot what about mando (season 1 and/or 2)

All Disney knows how to do is buy up others. Once they acquire them they don't have the faintest idea how to keep making what they bought work.

They're trying hard to expand their fanbases beyond "white males aged 15-40" so they can increase their profits but it's backfiring hard.

Agree, they had the EU for F sake and they threw it out. Then that KK cow had the audacity to complain "we have no source material, it's hard to make star wars".

That's what happens when a company gets, too bloated, too micromanaging, and too mismanaged. The worst possible combination of faults a corporation can have.

All they gotta do is get Keanu Reeves to do Revan...and also not fuck it up

It’s truly mind boggling. I mean don’t get me wrong, some EU stories are absolute trash, but some of them are solid gold.

They do not want to pay royalties to those authors

@@MBunn-uf1we I bet you're right. Minding the pennies while the dollars blow out the window

they did it becuz the EU didnt pander/push the message

The EU was a mess and often contradicted itself. Plus, the galaxy never gets a break, it’s conflict after conflict after conflict, each writer trying to make its own the next biggest thing. I, for once, prefer the de-canonizing option and salvaging the parts from the EU that did work, like they did with Thrawn.

There's a deep irony of most flavorful "veneers" used to be the good part of the writing. Subtlety, metaphor, etc, now being the shiny bait to get fans of it to watch something completely unrelated.

Man, this really is the times of darkness and ignorance, prophesied, welp! Time to start getting serious, Light > darkness, everytime..

It's not even in just movies, but so many forms of entertainment these days suffer from this.

@@wetzel4806 Well, the truth is that many filmmakers are egocentric and just want to get 'their' story out there. Especially in the indie space, where it's very common to have writer-directors. They'll often latch onto whatever gives them the biggest chance of success. 10 years ago every drama became a 'thriller' overnight once dramas without cast became impossible to sell. Thrillers then became saturated 7-ish years ago and all became "elevated genre", to distinguish them from "peasant genre" movies like slashers and zombie flicks. Once people realized that the term elevated genre didn't really mean anything, those became "horror" movies because the platforms were starting to look for genuinely scary stuff again. Now everyone's pretending their shit is true crime, even when it's got supernatural elements. It's all marketing, really. Most filmmakers in the genre space nowadays didn't even grow up with any interest in genre stuff. They just wanna write a movie about their abortion story, and they'll create a half-assed sci-fi world around that story if they think it's easier for them to get into Frontieres than Sundance Lab or whatever. I've had people pitch me action scripts with "badass female leads" who forgot to change every "he" into "she" in their script. I've had distributors who used to walk past us in Cannes and literally ask us how we can sell "that shit", who now do panels to talk about how genre is such an important part of filmmaking history. As someone who's been doing nothing but genre for over a decade, you take it personally when all these people barge into your spaces and start taking all the money and attention.

That's so gay lol

entirely deliberately. It is a part of the managed decline of the West.

Pretty predictable though. There’s not been one instance where leftists infiltrated and infected any group or society and didn’t obliterate it.

The prequels derailed it long ago

@@askers81the prequels were good

@@rhithecapybara sure, and so are the sequels lol

Goos take

True, I was watching a gamer classic movie, Grandma's Boy and I was just thinking how impossible it is to make a movie like that now.

What do you mean? Disney Star Wars gave us a literal boulder that pilots a starship. What else do you want? /s

Rian: "Expectation subverted."

I thank Rian Johnson for doing no one could have ever done . . . . . . . . . . . Make the EU loved and respected

Or as some would say, it was something so obvious that even elementary students saw it coming :D

@@mihkelhint you may be right, but I’m going to continue pretending my childhood friends and I were secretly intellectuals of the highest order

Been Buried at Prequels, as a Vampire. Now a Zombie-Vampire! Has risen.

It's already been cremated.

Watch andor and nothing else

Yet somehow.....it returns.

More like It's a dead rotting corpse and Disney is engaging in necrophilia

Dark Helmet: _"FOOLED YOU!!"_

Yeah... I can't make it to Picard S3... because of Picard S1 and S2. I've heard its good... but no... I just can't.

@@elementalcobalt1Honestly, S3 works pretty well standalone to the point where you can skip 1 and 2 entirely with minimal catch up needed

@@elementalcobalt1 Well, take it from me: you can just watch season 3, that is what i did. As far as i can tell the guy in charge made S3 as independent as humanly possible of the other kurtzman "trek" including S1 and S2 or Picard. I bailed out of the franchise after two episodes of STD and never looked back until Garry recommended S3.

@@elementalcobalt1 I don’t understand the other commenters. I watched S3, and while it’s better than S1 and 2, it’s still rubbish.

No kidding, Andor is like the one Star Wars project anybody is deeply invested among this undead franchise. And THAT speaks volumes right there.

@@liamphibia And Irony is that showrunner isn't pure star wars fan just damm good storyteller.

They're the diamonds in a sea of vomit.

@@Lonovavir In pool of green tity milk. "U like tities guys, guys, right!?" XD

@@alesksander I don't think any of the people responsible for Star Wars projects currently are pure Star Wars fans.

This is absolutely true. Customer retention is extremely important. Especially if the product is one that the customer only gets say every year or two.

Yes! This is how business has always worked in every industry. You find your niche, then do what ever it takes to hold on to it. That's what keeps you in business when you want to take a risk or two. For some reason, the entire entertainment industry has forgotten this. I don't know why.

Sadly Disney has 2 options: Pack it up till the original fanbase dies, or sell it back to George. Anything else is a guaranteed loss.

I made a similar analogy once: Should you chop off the trunk of the tree and still expect it to grow? Or should you allow the roots to remain while branching into different directions?

At the rate Disney is going, they won't have any customers left.

I like her, and she gives a very earnest performance. I wish her character had faced real hardship though, and the force wasn't so "easy" to master

The best thing she can do is keep quiet, do her job and avoid negativity concerning past employers.

Don't feel too bad for her. She's got to star in Star Wars franchise and be the lead in those films and gets to do more films, many would kill to get even that. She wasn't up to much when she was hired. She's no Natalie Portman, let's be brutally honest. She's not really a great actress, I think Emilia Clarke had the same issues. Post GOT was tough for her, until she found her level doing romantic comedies/drama's, where she basically playing herself i.e posh Girl next door English woman. Ridley will always get roles in films or TV, and will always have Star Wars fan circuit that I'm sure will pay bucks for her to fan signings. She's not got the charisma or talent of John Boyega to carry her through bad films. She's not got the acting talent of Adam Driver or Oscar Isaac. Her choices of movies have been poor. I be very surprised if she's not ending up in straight to VOD type films and maybe doing TV roles in not so good TV shows in next few years.

lets be honest she will have unlimited money even if they flop

​@@ThePhysicalReactionit was never easy to master, she's just written like a Mary Sue who is perfect and can do anything and is both a Palpatine and a Skywalker somehow.

And Doctor Who...

Not only that, but also, limit studio exec's input. Input from non-creatives outside the production is just as big of a part of the problem. People whose job it is to _sell_ the work, having creative input means they lack the ability to do their job of selling the work.

There are plenty of SW fanfics out there that show far, far more understanding of the characters, the material, and effective storytelling, than anyone at LF has demonstrated (barring Andor)

Next stat wars is about Yoda dealing with his ketamine addiction

Please do!

Honestly, fanfiction regardless of how inept always comes from a place of genuine love for the source material. Disney Star Wars is just... inept.

Eh, the comment was uncalled for. Stuckman isn't pulling a fast one, he literally spelled it out for us. Plus, Stuckman really just seems like a good dude to me.

​@@lukewilliam3601the problem with that is he literally made that decision after he started to get his own movie made which feels really suspect

@@lukewilliam3601 No, it's not uncalled for. The two channels have had a 'slight beef' with one another now so this is just one more shot amidst that

​@lukewilliam3601 you must be a fan boy. He's totally lost his edge and ability to be a 'film critic' all because he's making a film...he's become woke and believes everyone deserves a medal for just taking part...let me tell you, they certainly don't.

@@xLeeroycranexI use to love stuckmann, but he only did that after people didn’t like his short film ‘Notes From Melonie’ which makes him come across as pretty insecure. He’s too nice in his movie reviews and just says everything’s good, but if no one is critical, then Hollywood will just keep sucking, thinking that they can get away with continuing to make bad or mediocre movies

JEB!

Undercooked it at that

Great analogy! Sad but true

and the goose didn't even taste good

they used a whole kg of woke spice for that single chicken tho

(Cartman voice) PUT IN A GOLDEN GOOSE, AND MAKE HER GAY!...

Ditto. I will never acknowledge Disney Star Wars as canonical.

That was their intent, they are EVIL!

How can you truly love a series that had only 2 out of 6 good movies.

With every release it gets shittier and shittier - I preferred the 90s when we had nothing BUT nostalgia and potential… what we ended up with was another TWO death stars and somehow palpatine returned.

@@Friendlyfirefish The prequels are actually good, not great or fantastic like the original trilogy but the prequels have a charm to them

And then we all scuttle out from our waste holes, the A.i Six Finger search lights have passed us over and we crawl off into the darkness looking for rad roaches.

I think we'll be saying "So that's what a programmed cultural demolition looks like."

we are already saying that now.

What did he do?

​@@nightsong81Be a Hollywood shill

@@nightsong81he’s one of those that defends Disney Star Wars

@@darthgamer9861 Ah. Didn't know that.

He is so disappointing. I used to like him. Now his reviews basically are: "I liked this movie. It was a good movie. It had things I liked. The actors were good. A". He gave all the new star wars movies A or A+ unreal

It's pining for the fjords!

I think the problem isn't that it died. The problem it's that it's on life support. Stories should end. Let the story end. The problem in my opinion isn't the wokeness. That makes it worse, but even with out it there is the same problem. It's this desire to somehow profit off the same story. Bring back the same characters, story line, tropes, and in some cases the same actors who have to be brought back either with the same actor who no longer had any business being in an action movie, or cgi. Make new movies ir stories, or at the very least, try succeeding where others failed, like as in Dune, instead of trying to milk from yesteryear success.

@@TangomanX2008 In the beginning your objection seemed to be convincing. ( … on life support…) But even if, the vitality is gone, the corps has begun to rot and the damage is irreversible. Similar to Game of Thrones. The last season has mananged the fun and glory out of the whole show. Otherwise: the Original trilogy of Star Wars will survive.

@astra004 I see your point, but there is a big difference between Star Wars and Game of Thrones. At least with Star Wars, you have The original trilogy (A New Hope. The Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi) where essentially all of Star Wars for a Generation. About two decades later, Episode 1,2, and 3, which filled a gap, but fell short in ters of quality, even though the special effects were far Superior that the first trilogy. But at least story wise they were great. Then d few decades after that, the disasters of episodes 7,8, and 9. I think your right that while the last 3 movies killed the Franchise, the earlier movies as still worth watching. I believe Game of Thromes is the opposite. It is one story, consisting of 8 seasons. There was a decline in the story telling starting somewhere about the fifth or six season that started to spiraling the seventh season, and it went down in flames on the 8th. The story it gave failed because the climax and resolution stages of the stories were botched, so the entire series is a failed project. Interesting it seemed like the Game of Thrones (as a Franchise) hadnt died. I stopped caring about it after Game of Thrones, but it looks like other successful shows have come out. Also, it seems like the Franchise is divided into two Branches, TV/streamed content, and Martin's Writing and it looks like if one branched died the other could still live on.

@@TangomanX2008 I agree. My main issue is: ( related to repetitive watching) you can’t enjoy the salad and the main course, whilst you wait for a rotten dessert. Imagine you could watch a train of nine Star Wars movies. You can’t.

The drinker's claims about her should include ALL film, not just Star Wars. She IS the poster child for Mary Sue.

And she was only able to obtain the Skywalker name when the entire clan was wiped out

That's very on brand with KK's Star Wars.

That’s exactly why she’s a Mary Sue

Reminds me of "admiral" Holdo 🤢

I tweeted the same to Bob Iger. Anakin had the prequels. Luke had the originals. And Rey had the sequels. Why another Rey movie? I refuse to pay to see it and will only watch it on free video IF people rave about how amazing it is. Disney will not get another penny from me.

@@daveari6699you are nicer than me. I tapped out after Last Jedi, I didn’t even see the third one

@@joebeast15 Same here. After TLJ I've only seen a few episodes of a show here and there... before dropping each one as the crap that it is. These days I don't even bother. I hear about new Star Wars content and just say "Meh" and move on without even looking. It's not worth my time or effort any more, and I have been a fan since 1980. Maybe it's BECAUSE I was around for the first wave of movies that I don't care about this new trash. I can see how much lower the quality is. And yes, the first three are corny movies if you didn't grow up with them, but what's coming out now aren't even real stories!

He doesn't like mandolorean. People just like saying Mando. I've found this true most times

@@joebeast15 lucky you !

Dude never even mentioned Talk to Me because he was jealous 😂😂

I tried watching him. Couldn't get into it.

Who is Chris Stuckman?

The thing is that he is now a director and he does want a career future. Not everyone can be Mel Gibson

Why is Chris catching random strays? His reviews are just fine

Oh, they didn't _entirely_ throw it in the trash. They're mining it for beloved characters like Thrawn - while having no idea what to do with them. (The big exception of course being Mara Jade. She will _never_ appear, no matter how hard people might speculate)

To be fair, that was always going to happen. EU was soooo bloated that it would have been impossible to make any new material since they would have had their hands tied behind their backs the entire time. A fresh start was the logical move. While the sequels really sucked, EU was never going to be kept as canon

I walked out of Rise of Skywalker with my then gf, it ain’t worth it trust me.

After The Last Jedi, I skipped Rise of Skywalker and I'll probably never watch it. I'm holding out for Andor Season 2, and that's it.

You were there as an infant? You'd have to be born in 78 or 79

He said he was a 45 year Star Wars fan, he didn’t say he was 45 years old. But if it matters, I am 45 and I saw Return of the Jedi in theaters when it first came out.

@@faustmeth Oh I completely misread and I apologise! That went over my head. For some reason I fixated and began to make unnecessary calculations. I need to pay more attention.

Thank you! It's like the stereotypical North American single woman who wants to settle down with an intelligent, stable, loyal, quiet gentleman... so she "settles" for a nerd who makes six figures... but she is secretly ashamed of his nerd ways and tries to strip him of that side and his passion at every opportunity. They want the money and merchandise, but don't want to associate with "sweaty uncool nerds". Remember the She Hulk TV show? 🤮

Of course they want to be consumed by new people - that's the whole point of making new content. Literally NO ONE makes content for fans of a movie from 50 years ago. Everything is made to appeal to a younger generation and build up a fresh new fanbase. It's the most natural and logical thing to do. Feeling offended by this makes no sense.

@@Aedryc No, they haven’t been building a “new” fanbase, they’ve been catering to blue-haired feminists, Reylos, and political activists. You do realize they drove away the parents who *would* expose their kids to Star Wars with that type of shit, right?

Except the fans don’t want it.

​@@Aedryc The profit and loss figures disagree with you. Top Gun Maverick is proof you are wrong.

I hear you it took me a day but I realized the last jedi killed star wars and I won't watch another movie especially one with rey

I had just that with TFA. I was 9, and I was so flabbergasted at first that I needed 10 minutes to realise how shit that movie actually was.

@@zack4915 I gave TFA the benefit of being a soft reboot because I thought they could go somewhere interesting with it. If the last two movies had slapped, it would have just have been an uninspired setup for an amazing trilogy.

@@kingdancekiller It destroyed everything the originals had built up, to the last detail. The Jedi had once more fallen, Luke had gone into exile and left the galaxy behind, Han had gone back to his smuggling ways and left his family, and the Republic fell once more without a fight. I didnt deem it worthy of receiving the benefit of the doubt.