For me personally I don’t care about spicy art for the most part, but when people start making spicy art and claiming they’re an adult despite looking the same, it starts to raise an eyebrow.
@LJXrot Жыл бұрын
Mhm, my thoughts exactly
@RakoonCD Жыл бұрын
That's why I don't even bother. Why even pretend you have that moral superiority.
@bobtheball5384 Жыл бұрын
@@RakoonCD I mean. There are characters in children media that...act explicitly so childlike it becomes kinda weird you find anything inherently...attractive about them. Unless yourself is a child.
@Regu269 Жыл бұрын
They're cartoons. Literally couldn't and shouldn't give a fuck
@bobtheball5384 Жыл бұрын
@@slumberville1557 How come? One example that comes to my head would be uh, KO from OK KO. He explicitly acts pretty childlike in the sense of things going over his head and trying to be a people pleaser, mostly to authority figures like the people he looks up to. While I'm aware adults could have traits like this, with KO the jokes and or stories in the show mostly revolve around him being a child and not understanding how the world itself works because he is like 10 years old or something. He sees the world in a childlike lens when the other older adults and or adult figures in the show see it from a different perspective. It's something that is used a lot in children's media because with children it's very easy to make them niave to a believable level, since most children are mostly niave.
@CrazyGreenFluff2 жыл бұрын
i think if the character is 18+ and the art is kept in an adult space, then there's no issue. great video! :0
@rawr11312 жыл бұрын
What about in places where 18 isn’t the age of majority?
@maethysslyth75112 жыл бұрын
@@rawr1131 You put a warning for 18+. Then is legally not your problem anymore, or at least that's what I know.
@deadofpledge98952 жыл бұрын
With a lot of adult cartoons, I don't think it's too bad unless they are underage then I don't like it.
@nathalie4682 жыл бұрын
same
@Oceane1803 Жыл бұрын
It can also work if the character is originally a kid or teen but is aged up to be an adult in the art. I think.
@summerwolf7197 Жыл бұрын
If its on a whole other account, characters are 18+ and children find it? Not that artist fault. Its not an artists job to babysit the unsupervised kids of parents who could be bothered
@Worldsapart410 Жыл бұрын
Well the child is still going to pay the price. In the end it doesn’t matter whose fault it is. Adults know this is a kids show and are being selfish and think they can do whatever they want. 5 year olds won’t know that it is a 18+ channel. They don’t know the horrors they will see. This is a kids show. Aldults need to stop being selfish, if it could help kids livelihood for adults to stop doing this then why is anyone against it. Also regardless this is so disgusting that people are drawing things like this about kids characters.
@summerwolf7197 Жыл бұрын
@@Worldsapart410 5 year olds are not supposed to be un the internet alone in the first place. It does matter because parents should watch their children
@BlueInk1287 Жыл бұрын
Honestly if it's kept in an adult space then it would be alright I guess.
@tterabyte_exe Жыл бұрын
@@Worldsapart410 disagree. Kids shouldn't be on the internet until a certain age, the fact you know your kid is on the net subjected to that art and UNMONITORED that's the parent's fault not the artist being selfish. The artist could be doing commissions that are 18+ is that selfish? Kids. Shouldn't. Be. On. Social. Medias, This is the parent's fault. Nothing more. The internet wasn't made for kids, the internet was made for research but it's mostly for Teen/Young Adult/Adult entertainment. Kids should be outside having fun with kid things like their friends Drawing art about underage girls is wrong, yes, but the Artist is not at fault.
@summerwolf7197 Жыл бұрын
@@Weirdolover kids wont stumble upon it if parents do their job and watch their children. This has been a thing forever, Disney warns creators of new cartoons that their will be porn made of the new show.
@pixelatedbones3046 Жыл бұрын
About the kids accessing NSFW topic I think this all boils down to one thing and that is: Do NOT let little kids onto social media In my personal opinion anyone under the age of 13 should not be using any from of social media, and even if you are 13-15 you should be pretty limited to what you can access 18+ or 16+ warnings on certain things are not there just for decoration, they are there for a reason. The adults/16 year olds who are in charge of these 18+/16+ servers, art, animations, etc are not at fault if a child accesses their work (Unless they did not put a NSFW warning for example) It is the parents of this child who are at fault for letting their kid have access to this shit. I myself was exposed to VERY sexual activities/media when I was only 12 years old. I wish I could still have that "12 year old innocence" back but the damage has already been done. People under the age of 12 have little to no morals per say and will easily be convinced to do something either by their peers or the adults around them. I only started maturing/getting better morals after 13, I am currently 15 myself and still need to age/learn alot before fully maturing The human brain does not fully develop until somewhere in your 20s So it is the adults/guardians in these situations' jobs to make sure their kids don't get exposed to shit they should not be seeing. And it is also the adults on online platforms' responsibility to keep NSFW in adult spaces/put NSFW warnings on them, as well as avoiding drawing NSFW of minor characters/characters from little kid's shows
@Mycorrhiza Жыл бұрын
This is the best take on this situation
@movedchannel2000 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I learned way more from school than at tiktok though ngl, School kids talked about the worst subjects and TERRIBLE things and joke about it like bro
@pixelatedbones3046 Жыл бұрын
@@movedchannel2000 Yeah
@RubyTerrarian Жыл бұрын
8th grader here, I was exposed to this a few years ago, but I have standards and manners to know “Hey, this is bad”. Most of my friends in class look at least somewhat innocent, the 9th graders are incredibly chill and are probably not that aware. The 7th graders on the other hand, oh boy, Idk what to say about them
@user-vt5qg7hj1m Жыл бұрын
Part of me wishes to agree with you, but you're putting too much faith in parents Some of them are genuinely rarional people that can be good judges of that and should regulate their children's internet access Others, however, are horrible and would overrestrict or underrestrict their children, or force their biases, or something... I know if my mother actually cared enough to regulate my internet access I would have been SO much worse It's tricky...
@sleeplessreader Жыл бұрын
One of my favourite game devs has a strict no NSFW rule, or at least to keep it out of the hashtags and stuff. Luckily the fan base is small (mostly), but there’s still a few odd artists who decide to deliberately go against her boundaries. It sucks. Also it’s funny cuz her characters canonically don’t have genitals
@Rosalie_YT Жыл бұрын
Don't be shy, tell us what the game is
@aderpyaxolotl Жыл бұрын
"You can't draw p**n of these characters! They don't have pp's!!" Rule 34 artists: :) "...wa-wait-" Rule 34 artists: *>:)*
@sleeplessreader Жыл бұрын
@@aderpyaxolotl literally why do they wanna draw pps so bad 😭😭😭 asexual brain doesn’t understaaaand
@jumpyjasmine3735 Жыл бұрын
@@aderpyaxolotl *evil maniacal laughter ensues* “when has that ever stopped me!”
@aderpyaxolotl Жыл бұрын
@ѕlєєplєѕѕ rєαdєr Because people be the horr-knee ig? I'm not ace, but even I am amazed by how far people will take it sometimes LOL
@tessfabled4115 Жыл бұрын
9:00 animators are notorious for this stuff haha, and it goes allll the way back to the beginning, considering Osamu Tezuka's recently-discovered furry transformation porn stash...
@cardemis7637 Жыл бұрын
Well, that explains the existence of Bagi.
@mpo48 Жыл бұрын
Tezuka was dangerously based
@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo2 ай бұрын
To be a good artist you gotta be a little...cultured.
@MomoDearestt Жыл бұрын
I mean Disney employees are notorious for drawing porn.
@Crusader-Ramos4516 күн бұрын
Disney employees draw porn?! Why?
@Crusader-Ramos4516 күн бұрын
Disney employees drawing porn?! Why? What’s wrong with those people?
@yt-wx5bw Жыл бұрын
The funny thing is that many people who draw 18+ fanarts are underage. I myself drew adult content only when I was 13-17. Maybe it was a way to come in terms with my sexuality and stuff. Now I only cringe thinking about stuff I created 🌚
@scribblecloud Жыл бұрын
same lol, theres nothing wrong with it, but it becomes a problem when it gets shared online at that age, unfortunately
@yt-wx5bw Жыл бұрын
@@scribblecloud yes, that stuff better kept locked in the drawer or something 🌚 not only it's problematic but also not very aesthetically pleasing to say the least
@topazmoss1393 Жыл бұрын
@@yt-wx5bw I don’t think strictly “problematic” but more so dangerous-
@yt-wx5bw Жыл бұрын
@@topazmoss1393 i guess so. Sorry, English is a foreign language for me
@doagii5 ай бұрын
i’m underaged and draw it myself just cuz… well… i’m a hormonal teenager, and i don’t share my art so i don’t see much of an issue… but i do cringe at the stuff i drew back when i was younger… the ocxcanon stuff… oh god💀💀💀
@tessfabled4115 Жыл бұрын
So the characters weren't 'aged up' here is the thing, the series takes place in the past and then flashes forward to the modern day to show them as adults from what I understand. As everyone was a child once (bar robots/deities/etc), is it now morally wrong do draw NSFW of any fictional character? I just think it's something I rarely see people bring up, when a character ages in real-time or is shown at different ages within canon.
@adu_adure1266 Жыл бұрын
I think the problem is the art was when they were specifically a minor, which is a bit wrong. I don't have a problem with that art with age up characters, but it's different if they're minors
@RakoonCD Жыл бұрын
@@adu_adure1266 Then anyone can say they're older than they look, it's a loophole.
@naraku971 Жыл бұрын
@@RakoonCD As someone who legitimately often gets mistaken for a kid, I can say that's definitely something someone could get away with.
@adu_adure1266 Жыл бұрын
@@RakoonCD it definitely exists a loophole, but I can also watch amphibia and say, "you definitely didn't age them up" because I know the source material. It's not hard to age up a character, even if they're freaks you can still keep the general feel if a character while aging them up.
@purrpletiger2159 Жыл бұрын
@@adu_adure1266 The art by the crew member that was mentioned in the video was of the adult versions at the end of the show though... It personally makes me uncomfortable because I see the characters themselves as solely their child versions we saw for basically the entire show, but they were adults in the end and I can't find any actual problems with drawing those older versions in that way Edit: I might've found one piece they did of the younger versions oops
@Mushybff2 жыл бұрын
this is unrelated but my cat is curled up and sleeping as i watch this! she's so cute awwww
@sand21232 жыл бұрын
Aww thats so wholesome♥︎♥︎ Do you mind me asking what her breed is? :]
@douma_upper2 Жыл бұрын
this comment is the holy water we needed because of the fandom
@sand2123 Жыл бұрын
@@douma_upper2 exactlyyy most popular fandoms these days are scary af
@douma_upper2 Жыл бұрын
@@sand2123 bruh, mha tho-
@sand2123 Жыл бұрын
@@douma_upper2 Bro im in the mha fandom and its WAYYY too wild to what literally is a bunch of funky teenagers trying to become superheros????Like what?
@KickUpHammyDude2 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! In my opionion, nswf art of minior characters is an unfortunate reality that's here to stay no matter what. Ye old Rule 34 of the internet speaks for itself. But I wholeheartedly agree that big influencers of a community that made a huge impact on them should not be Two-faced about it. I mean, if they make nsfw of adults characters that would be kinda okay??? But them making nswf of minors just seems a little disturbing. The point I'm trying to make I'm trying to make if it is not clear is that. If you are well known for sfw fan art and maybe nsfw of adults on the side seem like person who is not predatory. Then boom, minor nsfw, fiction or not. It's rotten of them to keep that a secret that they are posting online.
@SoulCooki Жыл бұрын
Idk I think this "we need to make everything pure for the pureity sake" is really annoying me it's not the artist job to keep the children save thats the job of the parents. And when it's not literally kids doing the dirty I don't see the problem here
@wolfywise Жыл бұрын
One reason why animators and artists draw so much 18+ art is that it helps with things like anatomy, dynamic posing, perspectives, etc.
@eyesofdeathperception6730 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I do not believe that the artists who are involved are in the wrong at all. If it's true that the artists purposely made alternative accounts and had a warning about them making NSFW art of Amphibia characters, then they're in the right. Because they purposely separated themselves AWAY from their usual account. It is unjust if the adults specifically made it clear that they do not want children in their 18+ environments. What they have drawn is perfectly fine as long it stays in that realm. Of course this is the part where many would most likely disagree with me. It should be kept in mind that I also believe that art should have limits. That limit would be anything that involves real life people. This means I'm against NSFW art that is based on a real life person. Especially if that person is a child. Of course this is a debate that will go on for so many years without any conclusion to it though. It's very frustrating.
@floodattendant0022 жыл бұрын
when the world needed her most, she returned
@shrewkit2 жыл бұрын
Personally I feel aging up is okay if the character is not really portrayed as a child. Like the best example is weird things like ig family guy or southpark? I feel like it's more understandable then. But for something like a kids show or something where they actually act as kids
@shrewkit2 жыл бұрын
Also if the character is like the mains in future diaries, where they clearly are only given a young age so it appeals more to the young hero kinda trope. Still, you gotta be careful that you're not enabling people who will do actual disgusting stuff just because you drew yours
@purrpletiger2159 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'm just shocked how people thought this ruined the whole show of Amphibia for them and they can't trust the staff anymore... When the one staff member who drew anything literally drew the ADULT versions who are at the end of the show. Full grown future versions of the characters who show up in the series. In my personal opinion I wouldn't look at that stuff because I still associate the characters with being kids the majority of the show. But it's literally the adult designs of the characters in the future... There's no problems I can see with that Unless I missed them doing art like that of the younger versions
@1805movie Жыл бұрын
If the artwork depicts actual children being hurt/exposed, then that's where we should draw the line (no pun intended). I think as long as they're not actually hurting others, or themselves in real life, then it should be fair game. Not to say it isn't questionable, but it comes with the territory of Rule 34. Should they go to jail for drawing lewd art of fictional characters? No. That's like saying people who draw or write about murder should be arrested/committed because the depictions are so gratuitous. If anything, it's therapeutic for them. Again, not to condone or condemn them, but I believe in freedom of expression as long as it doesn't harm themselves or others (even if I vehemently disagree with their approach). In terms of "keeping that kind of art away from children", I'd say that should be the job of the parents. Anyone under the age of 16 shouldn't be allowed on the internet, PERIOD. There's also little to no evidence that indicates movies, video games, artwork, etc cause violence (and are often the convenient scapegoat for society's failings). Even in an _extreme_ case where it _MIGHT_ happen (maybe): it's anecdotal at best. And it's often performed by someone who is already deeply disturbed to begin with (i.e. John Hinkley Jr.: The guy who shot Ronald Reagan because he wanted to impress Jodie Foster; or Mark David Chapman: The guy who shot John Lennon because he read _The Catcher in the Rye_ ). With all of that said, if someone finds something disturbing on the internet that rocks them to their fundamental core, then it's best to just not pay attention to it. Life is too short to worry about that stuff, and there are better things to fight for that actually affect people's lives. I'm probably going to get some push back for saying all of this, but I think these kind of conversations should be addressed in order to move forward.
@featherlikescartoons5098 Жыл бұрын
The way you shade is seriously so pretty. I wish I had your skills
@LaissezFairyWriter2 жыл бұрын
It is well thought and introspective discussions like this that I become especially interested in. Although this video is specifically targeting artwork, these kind of issues are also present in film, video games, and written pieces. So much that it caused many interesting debates amongst my peers in my film ethics course. I stand by what I said back then: any piece of art that is displayed publicly requires a certain level of maturity and responsibility. This can vary depending on the age and experience of the creator - but the severity of each case needs to be evaluated individually. One also should not be wholly judged on a single action if the action itself wasn’t outwardly malicious.
@aquaabouttogetfunky Жыл бұрын
Just gonna throw my two cent into the ring. Drawings of minors NSFW: Ew, Gross, why? Aging them up and making NSFW: Very Iffy but whatever. My problem is when you try to paint that drawing ANY nsfw of cartoons as bad. It's the internet and people can draw whatever the hell they want with characters they like getting freaky. Artists already are very vigilant on Twitter trying to keep minors away from that. They have private NSFW accounts, Pixix accounts with whole-ass passwords etc. However, it's not the artist's job entirely to be a babysitter for minors and children who (nowadays especially) who love acting like little puritans and purposely hunting down those accounts to "make themselves feel better" or pretend that they did something useful(Believe me, seen it multiple times in fandom culture). There aren't alot of dedicated spaces for adult content since most everyone is mostly on Twitter, but there are those who try their best to keep minors out of their spaces.
@aderpyaxolotl Жыл бұрын
"There aren't alot of dedicated spaces for adult content" THIS. For whatever reason, it feels like other than some semi-obscure to obscure adult art sites, there's nowhere to post anymore because people are trying to make the internet completely kid-friendly. Even if they aren't, it sure feels that way lol. It's super annoying and as someone who has been practicing NSFW art to hopefully make some cash on the side, it's frustrating knowing that I have to tiptoe all over the place because some kid can lie about their age, access my work, and then turn around and screech about how i should be cancelled or something stupid like that because I "exposed" them. like bruh
@woomycritiques Жыл бұрын
I understand the “little puritans” criticism, and you’re right about that one. I just wish that there weren’t creeps out there who tried to use that statement to avoid being called out for being a pedoph^lle… 💀
@wurst1284 Жыл бұрын
I think policing art based on perceived age of those lines on paper is stupid, especially coming from an artist trying to ruin the career of animators which are underpaid, overworked and underappreciated already. The accounts were hidden away and not advertised to minors. Getting the pitchforks out based on the assumption that determined minors might find ways to access the art anyway is insane. Maybe we should all just chill.
@rawr11312 жыл бұрын
For me personally, I tend to find “spicy” art of characters creepy if the character is under 21. Yes I know 18 is legal in most places, but it’s still a teenager (and at that point it feels like it’s sexualizing the fact that they’re a teen). Also in my country, people aren’t fully legal adults until 21…
@toastedbread13622 жыл бұрын
What about 20? Cause they're still under 21 but not teens. And most 20 year olds have jobs and/or in uni. I'm 19 but don't have the same maturity level as a 13-16. I've had a job, start uni this year and have started practicing driving. Technically I am a teen but I'd probably relate more to a 20-21 year old than a 16-17 year old. Or fresh out of high school 18 year old. I do respect your opinion though, it's just my first time seeing this take on it so I wanted to understand.
@rawr11312 жыл бұрын
@@toastedbread1362 Where I live, 20 year olds are not fully legal adults. 20 is almost like a bridge between teenage and adult. And I’ve seen a lot of people with that view. Personally, I tend not to see people as adults until 25 (cause that’s when the brain reaches adult maturity) and I consider adolescence to be until around 21 (Consistent with current views on adolescence) and then from 21-24, there’s a period of transition between adolescence and adulthood.
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
Same
@Rosa-he6xb2 жыл бұрын
Man I wish we here had people consider adults at 21 like you guys. I’m 18 and I still don’t feel like an adult yet(both mentally as like a teenager probably thanks to covid making my junior year oops all virtual!).
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
@@Rosa-he6xb I don't want anything to do with those adults I want to feel safe and happy just watching my comfort shows
@sweatshirtninja5668 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I couldn’t give a shit if an artist makes cartoon p0rn of aged up characters or not. If said art remains in the fictional world and behind a NSFW account, then so be it, I’m not gonna harass, send threats of the self shmurder kind, or doxx you and nobody should, but be prepared to get judged by me and others because when you make content like drawing fictional minors in sexual situations, you will rightfully be questioned. Especially if you’re someone who’s official to a show, game or whatever.
@walkingwithdragons2512 жыл бұрын
The real question should be " should chronically online kids lie about their age to get into 18+ spaces then get suprised that it 18+then try to get clout by slandering someone over cartoons characters that will definitely not thank them for saving them " Yes i am salty let me be salty
@walkingwithdragons2512 жыл бұрын
We should stop treating cartoon characters as real bc they're not real in any way, shape or form
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
@@walkingwithdragons251 but it's still children it's still wrong
@yan4962 жыл бұрын
someone got caught
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
@@yan496 listen I get they aren't real but when your a child you want to enjoy your fandom not be disgusted child hood me still hates proshippers and sex trafficking of children till this day it's only getting worse and drawing that stuff of minorities is actually illegal
@yan4962 жыл бұрын
@@Uzidoorman4 i think you're misunderstanding my comment? im saying the reason op is mad is because they got caught with drawn cp (assuming)
@leavemealone8022 жыл бұрын
Reads title: well duh, of course is okay. We don't have to like it or consume it, but is none of our business how others do art. In my opinion, if you want to make nsfw art of a character that is canonacly a minor, at the very least age them up. Some will say is "gro*ming" but is just putting normality in something that can't live. Is like stepping in a future where the characters are adult. Humans grow up but cartoons don't, and it is far fetch to say aging the character up is gro*ming. Now, if someone is not aging them up... i have complicated feelings on the matter. At one hand, i dont like it, and don't get why they dont imagine the characters as adults. On the other hand, things like trauma and copying comes into play in those situations alot, so is unwise to say they are pre**tors because theu draw or consume art this way, specially when is not realistic. The law says that "art and pictures can be seeing as cp" but it doesn't specify if cartoonist styles apply to it or not. In my understanding the law only punish those that consume hyper realistic art with minors, otherwise the chibi style would've be illegal. At the end of the day, is a matter of just leave it alone most of the time. Dont consume, dont share, dni. We cant judge someone for the art they make bc we do not know this person I get the concern of children finding it, but as you said is not the job of the creator to babysit them. Some will ask "why do they post it anyway? If is made for the purpouse of couping/trauma/pleasure, do they have to post public?" - I don't have the best answer for that; sometimes i think is best not to post, sometimes i think it is. Sometimes the trouble of sharing controversial art isn't worth it, if you think of kids going to consume even with tw in place. I dont have all th3 answers and it changes over time. Overall, if you will make nsfw art, make them all over 18, if you want to make a narrative with minors exploring their sexuality, dont be gross about it. Put trigger warnings, dont allow children and minors near your content as much as you can and dont share it directly to them knowily (that is gro*ming behaviour). To the consumers: dont share/like/ comment if is something you dont like. Be aware that doing art is not the same as doing the crime. Understand that many have good reasons to do the art they do. Dont spreed misinformationt around.
@kodakasaur9518 Жыл бұрын
This.
@mysryuza Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU I find it funny how the law that people use to shame nsfw was considered unconstitutional for years and it would be illegal if the art was indistinguishable from a real minor, not having a few youthful attributes (adults can have youthful physical attributes too)
@Pompom-xy3uu Жыл бұрын
Well said!
@heropath34.vaselisc.35 Жыл бұрын
Well its internet ! People always forgetting that internet can (everything) Kids need taught how to use internet properly! With experienced responsible expert...
@namkwal Жыл бұрын
well too bad doing THAT art is now the same as doing the crime itself? how do I know? American legislation classified lolicon as child porn, and thus punishable.
@romalea2 жыл бұрын
"is it ok to draw spicy art of cartoons?" yes... they're cartoons... people have been doing this since before the internet existed, why is it Only Now that people are seething over it
@zachanikwano Жыл бұрын
Because of implications. Also just because people do something for a while doesn't automatically make it okay. Plus it might take time for people to realize that, "Oh hey, this is very much not a Good Thing actually, let's stop and discourage it."
@artareon Жыл бұрын
I agree
@topazmoss1393 Жыл бұрын
Huh so I guess I want to be friends with a really mean kid for no reason. I guess I try to be more quiet in hopes more people will want to be friends with me then for no reason. I guess nearly everything I do isnt influenced by fictional media because it’s my form of a support system
@jhonmaverick9963 Жыл бұрын
@@zachanikwano I get your concern, but by that logic, Let's Players who decide to go on carnage sprees in games like GTA, while laughing and cracking jokes at all the severed limbs, would be considered public threats and should be reported based solely on the "implications". We might be disturbed by the content but the fact remains, no ACTUAL person(s) were harmed. I know it's a bit unfair to compare a "provocative" artist to a person playing a video game. And it might be easier to make a case against the artist. However, both still produced content that many would find concerning. But at the end of the day, both works remain entirely FICTIONAL. And so as no harm was done to real people, it's better left ignored. But should anything does arise, it's best to leave it to the proper authorities to handle the matter. Less we make mountains out mole hills and waste precious resources, instead of helping actual victims who need it.
@RikaRieGaming2 жыл бұрын
I wish people will stop calling the hotlines about fictional characters when real-life victims need that help the most. I don't care about cartoon characters, I can't fault the people drawing them in safe 18+ places (Yes I get drawing fictional minors is wrong or uncomfortable to people but to me, since they are not alive, I don't care about how people draw them *within the rules and guideline, of course,* and I don't seek them out; I stay in my line of things I like.) But if you're going out of your way to look these groups up knowing you hate that stuff, I'm sorry but that's on you. Now if this was about real children, I'll get the outrage and will join in to have that person either change or take them off the platform.
@sillycookie Жыл бұрын
That's nice and all but people purposely draw illicit material and publish it PUBLICLY so anybody (including real kids) see it. I've read horror stories of gr00ming cases happening because disgusting individuals used that type of "art" to normalize to very impressionable kids. Plus...why the need to sexualize characters from a children's show??? There's thousands of adult material you can draw from and yet people go straight to things for kids. It's suspicious as heck.
@RikaRieGaming Жыл бұрын
@@sillycookie Sorry but this is the internet things like that will happen. Parents also need to set parental controls and make sure to monitor the kids usage of the internet. You can't police everyone, if the website allows it, there's nothing you can do but block and move on. Overall I wish people will stop calling the hotlines over fictional kids when real children are being hurt.
@oliverafton1444 Жыл бұрын
@@sillycookie Thousands of Adult Material that looks absolutely awful like Family Guy or South Park.
@proxi315 Жыл бұрын
I agree that sometimes people blow things out of proportion with fictional characters and how their fandom handles them, but I think part of the outrage still largely stems from wanting to protect real children. If we normalize NSFW art of minor characters, that will undoubtedly help normalize sexualizing minors in general, both real and fictional. That's why people can get so heated about it. As Fiona herself said: seeing lots of a specific type of content, even if you find it creepy and weird, will still eventually make you more used to and less reactive to it, even if you still think it's wrong. I agree that, so long as it isn't straight up pedophilia, people should be allowed to do whatever they want. But I do still think it's not good to swipe the implications of this under the rug because, again, it could end up normalizing pedophilic behavior and put more real minors in danger. People get defensive and take statements like this personally, but the thing is, they're not personal. It's just how human psychology works. The more you see of something, the more your brain subconsciously starts seeing that thing as normal and not worthy of raising alarms in your head. It can not only help pedophiles feel less guilt about their disgusting behavior, but also cause normal people to be less wary and critical of pedos than they really should be.
@jamesrobinson3206 Жыл бұрын
@@proxi315 ?
@WillowIsntSeenDead2 жыл бұрын
I usually listen to your videos on the background, and it is very much enjoyable. And with talking about these important topics, you know it means I’m subbed!
@philiptheprotogen8488 Жыл бұрын
"Spicy art is a pretty big thing" The biggest understatement of the millennia
@danielcruz4960 Жыл бұрын
13:50 not really Japanese law does not consider any form of stylised drawings as CP only photorealistic depictions of CP count when talking about drawing, so this statement is factually incorrect
@eyesofdeathperception6730 Жыл бұрын
Not only that. But stylized art like this isn't even illegal in the US.
@artareon Жыл бұрын
My opinion wont be too favored but my thoughts are if they are just drawing a cartoon I'm not too concerned about it *UNLESS* they depict real individuals or use cartoons as a way to spread hateful messages and racism. So if its a cartoon that's not hateful I'm not mad as long as its tagged clearly.
@idespisethisapp Жыл бұрын
So, hate is not okay, but active sexualization of children is okay? Racism, yes a very serious and harmful thing, is where you draw the line period???
@idespisethisapp Жыл бұрын
And you say you aren't concerned about cartoons, but in the next sentence you say you are concerned about cartoons
@AnarchoTak Жыл бұрын
@@idespisethisapp I think that's a given. like they think that that's bad too without it being said... hopefully.
@artareon Жыл бұрын
@@idespisethisapp I edited it and added “unless” to make my statement more clear now. But yes, I draw the line at ppl spreading hate/racism. I’m not offended if they draw nezuko fan service for example. As long as they are not saying slurs and spreading racism.
@whiteerdydude Жыл бұрын
@@idespisethisapp there is a hierarchy of danger here that is worth noting even though this is like galf a year late. The child stuff is problematic, but in a more individual and isolated way. Racism and hate on the other hand can lead to the Holocaust and chattel slavery. So I can see why someone might have limits to their apathy.
@ITR Жыл бұрын
One thing I've always wondered with situations like these, if it was a separate account and there wasn't any public info that the two accounts were by the same person, wouldn't publicizing that information cause more harm than good? Like, if they were popular then isn't there a chance _more_ kids would find the spicy art now, or that _more_ kids might think "wow, this popular person did it, maybe it's normal"? I haven't read the google doc though, nor am I in the amphibia community, so I don't know if it applies to this drama. I did see one person in the comments saying the doc ruined amphibia for them and a lot of people in the amphibia community, so it's also possible it did more good [condemn people who do this] than harm [normalize people that do this].
@purrpletiger2159 Жыл бұрын
Something like this should not reflect on the show at all since only one of the people who did it was a staff member and they drew grown up versions of the characters who literally show up in the show as grown up later versions of the characters. It's so odd to me that people would let this taint the show when it has nothing to do with it and the main offenses were by fan artists All media has some terrible fan artists
@mayor.whiskers32 жыл бұрын
I don't really care about spicy work if the character is 18+ but when it's a minor then I raise an eyebrow
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
Yeah, same. *Personally,* I'm not even placated if the character has been aged up. I'm also unnerved by spicy art involving non-sapient or intellectually-child-like beings, too, because that feels exploitative.
@semiengima2 жыл бұрын
It is an interesting discussion. It's not easy to make the decision since Adult spaces get invaded by the wee babies alot and other than booting them there isn't much one can do. Not to mention the aging up characters thing is just a big load of worms. I used to be in the camp that it was okay to age up underage characters for sexual reasons but now? I changed my mind a bit lol
@houndgirl7365 Жыл бұрын
...but why? Some series have existed for a long ass time to where technically if they were living they would be in their 30s or 40s... (Pokémon, One Piece, Madoka Magica, etc) now if the characters are being drawn as children that's a line. Overall some cartoons never get an adult version because they are over, but these are shows/anime people grew up with. It's fair to age them up and create fiction after all no one would blink an eye if the creator did that.
@yeetlol3537 Жыл бұрын
Same tbh
@bubuhwubby7317 Жыл бұрын
@@houndgirl7365 personally for me, I find it weird because the artist saw the character as a child through out the whole show, and still got the like. nsfw thoughts about them enough to draw it out. thats the part that creeps me out.
@emilydraws15712 жыл бұрын
I feel like spicy art of characters who are minors (especially If it's with adult characters) is disgusting and repulsive, as It sexualizes kids/teens. BUT NSFW made of ADULT Cartoon characters is okay IF posted in a private account where minors won't be able to reach It. Witch is why I don't really get why Raebits (and KJ too, i think?) Got the same hate/cancelling as the others Did, when they only Drew 23+ year old characters and safe of minors? I totally understand not liking/feeling unconfortable with this kind of art, but i dont really get It being scrutinized If it's not wrong?
@bestpoubelle53322 жыл бұрын
Interesting insight Fiona! Thank you for sharing your perspective on this thorny internet issue. I'm curious what your perspective on NSFW art of aged up characters is? I've seen discussions around that particular facet of this issue get pretty messy.
@Fionapollo2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ^^ to answe your question, I think aging up characters is something that can come with a few variables as irl your opinion & attraction for someone obviously changes as you both age, but ultimately I'm not a huge fan of it in fiction. Fictional characters are pretty much the same age forever until canon changes that, so it feels off-putting to me when a person's first thought is "I'd love for this child character to become legal"
@bestpoubelle53322 жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo Thank you for your thoughtful response! The thing I think I have most frequently encountered (and perhaps you have as well) is people developing crushes on characters that are at or around their same age and then having said characters continue to age with them in fanworks. Like you said, unless the original creator changes the canon, the characters forever remain the age they were in the last canon work, which can pose quite the problem for fans who still have a crush on their childhood fave. Agreed, I also find it troubling when the only thing keeping someone from inappropriate behavior or sexualizing minors is the illegality. That kind of attitude/behavior reminds me of the creepy internet dudes who counted down the days when female celebrities like Lindsay Lohan or Britney Spears would be legal.
@purrpletiger2159 Жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo I agree with you, though I think you should've stressed better in the video that the amphibia girls aged to adulthood in the show and that the crew member's art was of those adult versions, not just aging up for the art Unless I missed them doing art like that of the younger versions
@purrpletiger2159 Жыл бұрын
@@bestpoubelle5332 Honestly if I wanna talk about characters I first had a crush on when I was in middle school and stuff I always use a past tense, I specify that I found them attractive in middle school and don't make inappropriate art if they're minor aged characters. That's just another ""downside"' to growing up, you can't have problematic crushes, but it's a good thing because the character was intended to be a minor and shouldn't be sexualized.
@QqQ3Three3 Жыл бұрын
@@Fionapollo I've heard of something about My Hero... ooh boy.
@icecreamhero2375 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Its not like they are airing it on Disney Channel. Although it's best to keep it at home or post it anonymously. Children could be present.
@KichiMiangra Жыл бұрын
I can't help but find the level of anger that people feel over spicy art of cartoon characters, minor or otherwise, to be a bit silly to get angry over, But then again I see fictional characters to be equivalent to dolls I get to play with. There are personal lines here and there, but different people have different lines so there's no uniform rule. I do agree with trying to keep said spicy things in adult spaces but it also feels like the argument that kids will do what kids do and go out of their way to find it just makes me think of the Southpark movie scene where Kyles mom was fighting with the prime minister of Canada for the country even MAKING an R rated film because "The Children will find a way to see it!". Like if they go into the adult spaces and find something they're not supposed to an adult in their life should put a foot in their ass. But that's just me. I was taught to self regulate my webs surfing experience from a young age.
@wwg2005 Жыл бұрын
From What I learnt, A lot of Warner Bros. Animation Artists especially from the 90s/00s drew spicy art of characters before/while in the industry.
@AnOkayDogDad Жыл бұрын
I do think it's wrong and creepy but making dirty art shouldn't be treated the same as hurting a real life minor. Obviously one is way worse then the other
@topazmoss1393 Жыл бұрын
You don’t seem to realize they can often lead to those bad things.
@jhonmaverick9963 Жыл бұрын
@@topazmoss1393 I get what you're saying, but that's the same rhetoric the people who wanted to ban violent video games and slasher movies had. And it's been proven, other factors played bigger roles in making the bad things happen instead of the media that was consumed.
@jamesrobinson3206 Жыл бұрын
@@topazmoss1393 ?
@Lockz1111 Жыл бұрын
If it doesn't hurt anyone I personally don't care, drawn stuff isn't illegal as it's not depicting and exploiting people who actually exist. Is it tasteful? Eh not really, but is it worth going on a witch hunt about? Nah, life's already too short and filled with drama to get mad at things that don't actually make a difference
@bonezwithaz14022 жыл бұрын
personally, I draw almost all of my characters nude to know how their clothing would fit but overtly sexual art usually isn't necessary
@billcipher8645 Жыл бұрын
Nudity isn't inherently sexual and no one can tell you otherwise. You don't have to worry about it
@motherofcats9595 Жыл бұрын
I think there should be a place for that. A website where only adults can get on. So in that way no minors get "scarred" for life. But I'm in no way apposed to this kind of art and actually I like that art. It shows people's skills as well as what they like in the genre. But don't get me wrong this should be hidden from minors. Yeah, that's my take on the matter.
@TheRinguDinku5454 Жыл бұрын
I genuinely couldn't give less of a shit so long as is it stays art of a fictional character from a fictional show.
@artareon Жыл бұрын
my thoughts as well, theres much more pressing matters than someone drawing cartoons
@munchmongoose Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Otaku155 Жыл бұрын
You would think it would be common sense by now that parents enable some kind of parental controls on their kid's tvs, phones, and computers. Parents need to be actually parenting. Erotic art has been a part of human culture since we evolved, and there is no reason why it needs to be censored if parents are willing to set reasonable limits on their kids.
@naraku971 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to say it's okay at least especially in the crew member's part, Crew members of just about anything have been known to draw some definitely racy NSFW stuff all the time. I've seen it in comics, I've seen it in CN shows, the list goes on. It's out there that Rebecca Sugar drew Ed, Edd, and Eddie NSFW art. ._. I think in that case first and foremost it's important to bear in mind that these are adults who made the characters, and in an adult space then that's entirely up to them, unfortunately children will find ways to get their hands on these things by searching on the internet, if you want to not risk that happening then maybe parents should keep a better watch on their kids and what they do on the internet. 13 year old me knew what certain types of Pr0n were, was aware that it was more than likely drawn by an adult, and was still ehm... wondering why that stuff wasn't put behind some form of censor on a public site where anyone could find it, and it wasn't even an NSFW site. There's also very little anyone could do when it comes to especially the companies in charge of these things, and would have to do something very truly egregious to have means to fire them with hard evidence.
@purrpletiger2159 Жыл бұрын
I don't even know why the crew member was mentioned in the callouts because they drew adult versions of the characters who were literally shown in flashforward future episodes of the show. They are canonically adults there and the adult designs were used, where's the problem? They also used a private 18+ account to post it. Like I do have some discomfort with it because I'm more used to the child versions of the characters but my discomfort doesn't make it wrong Unless I missed them doing art like that of the younger versions
@PinkHairPluto Жыл бұрын
Just to clear things up, in the part Fianpollo says they’re on the ace spectrum and that art is boring to them, i’m on the ace spectrum (aegosexual) and sometimes that art isn’t boring for me (iykyk) not everyone on the spectrum doesnt like the nasty.
@Gore-Labs Жыл бұрын
I think you should be able to create spicy art of any character, within reason. Like, if the character is a minor, obviously that’s gross af, and it’s still kinda gross if the character is barely legal so you won’t get in trouble, but if you take a 13-14 year old character and age them up to around 20-30, just count it as an au and move on. The internet is filled with all types of people, who enjoy all types of characters in different ways, and if you’re respectful about it, I don’t think you should be jumped by randos who don’t even take a second to think about what your art means to you and people like you.
@topazmoss1393 Жыл бұрын
You didn’t pass the vibe check
@DUWANGlai_kangyi Жыл бұрын
@@topazmoss1393 No, *you* didn't pass the vibe check. Move along, prude
@commandercorl15442 жыл бұрын
I've been wondering about what this whole...thing was about, so I'm glad you're covering it!
@pyrxmagi8115 Жыл бұрын
I must be out of the loop, what's creepshow art? I have to agree, I don't like spicy art regarding children's cartoons. Someone I was following on DeviantArt changed from doing regular cartoon art to sexual cartoon art content and it just... It ruined childhood cartoons for me that I genuinely liked and felt comfortable with. I'm a fully grown adult and I think adult content should stay with adult content (spicy or not) and children's content should remain that way. If it was made for children, leave it as it was intended. It's super disrespectful.
@gwencere93832 жыл бұрын
I just don't understand why people have to sexualize every piece of media they interact with, like are you truly THAT compelled to draw MLP smut? People act like they have no power over what they draw nsfw of, you don't need to draw nsfw of kid's characters, its not a right or a need and I find the way people try to find any justification and loophole to justify what they are doing so weird. Yes technically what you are drawing isn't illegal but WHY do you need to draw it.
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
I agree
@DrewpyYT2 жыл бұрын
Some people have a big libido, aka se/x drive. While yes it is controllable. It’s just something they feel way more than other people that is to SAY, this isn’t the same with pedophiles. People who have a large se/x drive don’t tend to sexual kid?? That’s weirder
@AnOkayDogDad Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's pretty gross
@topazmoss1393 Жыл бұрын
@@DrewpyYT make your own characters then! That’s what I do, I just draw my own characters in spicy situations instead of drawing the characters they’re inspired by in spicy situations-
@DrewpyYT Жыл бұрын
@@topazmoss1393 that's not the point I'm trying to get to. What I'm saying it's okay to feel sexual. Especially if the character is a company owned or from a large fan base. Just don't bring kids in the pool in the first place.
@phantom-ri2tg Жыл бұрын
First of all I agree saying just because it is fictional characters means it has no impact in real life is wrong. Repeated exposure to viewpoints can have an impact of the reader as while as imply things about the author. That said I am going to put my view here that content for 18+ people should not be viewed through the lens of what is and is not appropriate in real life. I was interested in imagery of what I was before I was even a teenager (naturally it was not age related stuff). and simply not viewing that stuff is a good way to build up insecurity. I actually avoided viewing 18+ stuff when I was a teenager do to being that kid that followed the rules. it did not stop me from thinking about that stuff at all. and thinking continuously that what you are interested in is bad and needs to be avoided is not good for the mind. I do think some consideration needs to go in though. What content you make can be a slippery slope and there is not a clear line from what is strictly fantasy and what suggests things about the real world. I have seen some things from Japanese authors that very much made me raise my eyebrows as they went beyond just having things but actually implying morals about those things.
@jamesrobinson3206 Жыл бұрын
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@hachiiiiko7072 жыл бұрын
at least it wasnt of the frogs… 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@Null82085 Жыл бұрын
If someone draws “spicy art” and some kid finds it, that’s the kids fault for seeking it out, if the kid finds it on accident then that’s no one’s fault it’s just a sad coincidence, side note, I obviously prefer if people draw “spicy art” the character is 18+ if it is a kid then I still don’t care, do I think it’s kinda gross? Yes. Do I think it really matters? No, if you want to know why I’ll just say why, it’s fiction guys, maybe I’m desensitized to it due to hanging around the anime side of Twitter but my opinion still stands, feel free to be mad in the replies (if anyone cares about this comment) I welcome criticism, just be original with it please
@ashy_inking1476 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's entirely the kids fault if they're searching for it purposely, if they do it on accident it's not their fault at all The adult with the fully developed brain is the one who's at fault the most though, rather than the kid who doesn't know any better An adult drawing that sort of art is a mental illness, the child's not unless they're like seventeen and almost fully an adult
@ashy_inking1476 Жыл бұрын
Well, your brain fully developed when your twenty three I think but I'm not sure the ages of whoever drew that and it's still messed up since they drew minors
@eyesofdeathperception6730 Жыл бұрын
@@ashy_inking1476 No, it's not the adult's fault at all. That shows that they're in places that they aren't supposed to be in. Which in that case, it's the parent's fault for not keeping their child in check. This sort of behavior seriously needs to stop because it can get innocent people in trouble.
@ashy_inking1476 Жыл бұрын
@@eyesofdeathperception6730 This is just ignorance, it's a KIDS show, of course the children would wanna search it up in order to do art or something like that then they'd find something disgusting The parents aren't responsible to just leach off of them as all times I can see where you're coming from but your point doesn't have anything to back it up with, are you supporting p3d0philia that was open to the public? That could've made so many in the writing team as well as everyone who say it uncomfortable, including adults
@eyesofdeathperception6730 Жыл бұрын
@@ashy_inking1476 Again, not the artist's fault. I feel like this limitation is very unnecessary and it's just not gonna happen. You're asking for a perfectly purely clean place. Not only is that just goofy, but that's not grounded in reality. These limitations shouldn't even be there to begin with when it specifically comes to cartoons. If they looked up the cartoon and they found it, sucks to suck. Safe search exists for a reason. But it's not really the child's fault if that happens. But if the child themselves are going out of their way to try and find it, that is in fact their fault. And no, nobody here is trying to support p3dophilia. If it's true that the artists has purposely made it so that they separated themselves from their main account into their alternate account and made a very clear warning, then they're not at fault. Because everything beyond that is adult content and they've made a clear warning that their profile isn't for children.
@MonochromaticLich Жыл бұрын
Its a fictional character not exactly concerned about their lives when real children could be getting saved, doesn't help that the FBI line for child sexual abuse reports were clogged up with fictional children, really helpin those fictional kids there ay?
@NotOrdinaryInGames Жыл бұрын
I await the day where a good 3rd of all creators are found out to have made "spicy" work. I won't have enough popcorn.
@anthonygranziol7957 Жыл бұрын
The context between what you were discussing and the art you were creating tickled me. Thank you for adding your voice to this discussion and know that know that it was both valid and enjoyable.
@qs-ii1872 Жыл бұрын
No interest in the art, but the preview image literally looks like Sasha’s teen design. There’s already a cannon design for what she looks like as an adult, they’re fooling themselves. Revolting.
@Moonholic.2 жыл бұрын
It’s why I mostly won’t ever post my characters on the internet specifically child characters sibling/family characters and even teen characters because their is so many weird people like this and the proshits. Do that shit with your own characters and it’s also still weird of you doing it even if it is fiction.
@Fionapollo2 жыл бұрын
I understand the hesitation & if it makes you feel safer then do what you think is best, but speaking from experience, you can't let weirdos stop you from doing stuff bc they crave that strange sense of power over ppl. Protect yourself as necessary but be sure not to constrict yourself out of fear either ^^
@reallycantthinkofausername4872 жыл бұрын
@Ramhell being weird isn't the issue. Being a pedophile is
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
@Ramhell the artist should have a warning for drawing children in a wrong way
@sillycookie Жыл бұрын
@Ramhell liking horror movie monsters=/=drawing explicit material of children :|
@ImpostorGaming06 Жыл бұрын
Same
@metageek7878 Жыл бұрын
I think... fiction is fiction, and so long as you understand how to behave irl, I really don't care. There's also the issue that a lot of people develop cartoon crushes that don't just go away so such depictions of this characters as they originally looked could be a gray area potentially, (lot of pokemon characters as a prime example) but I think what's most important is not doing harm irl. Now, how much harm this does or doesn't cause irl is hard to measure. Some people just like the character so much they develop "romantic" feelings or something similar, sad as it may sound. Human psychology is tricky and this huge influx of fictional content and shared spaces is relatively new in human history, so adapting to such an environment may be slow going in general.
@dominic_1907710 ай бұрын
Ok, a couple things that need to be clarified: 1. Spicy art of underage characters is fine if they are clearly depicted as adults (I know, this is a hot topic, but I really don’t see what the issue there is, fans grow up and want to portray their faves in relevant situations) - and, of course, not shown to minors. That much should be obvious to everyone. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with people who worked on the show drawing spicy stuff of the show (though it shouldn’t be available to minors, of course). 2: People need to seriously stop misusing the term “proship” now. This term has been around since forever, and did not specify ships that are problematic. “Pro” isn’t short for “problematic”, it’s a suffix and the opposite of “anti”. “Are you for shipping or against shipping? Then you’re either antiship or proship.” I have been in fandoms for literally more than 25 years (was an adult when I first got internet) and was part of the group that was for shipping and it was always used for people who are for shipping instead of against it or neutral. A good suggestion I’ve heard was to spell it “probship”, to make it clear that it’s specifically about problematic ships, and not about ALL ships. As for the part about children, I honestly feel like children shouldn’t be on the internet at all. It’s far too easy to access porn, and far too many creeps. (Twitter, for example, doesn’t even enforce adult content filters; yet doesn’t prevent children from joining or viewing. AKA: Twitter is NOT a place for minors, but there’s nothing at all to even try and prevent them from being on there.) I can’t believe that, in this day and age, parents still haven’t wised up and actually supervise their children when they’re online. It’s something that’s been said since the internet became widely available: it’s not a safe place for unsupervised children. And yet here we are. Now, as for the Disney thing, I think that is SO ridiculous. I can’t believe any artist would actually agree to that. I would not, because I need to be able to draw stuff for me and Disney has no place trying to claim it as their property. (Meaning, no, I would not work for Disney if the contract included that.) I could understand if it was art of their characters, even ones I wasn’t involved in professionally, but definitely not non-Disney stuff. (Also, what would happen if I drew SpongeBob? I don’t think they can claim ownership of a Nickelodeon piece, because SpongeBob very much legally belongs to Nickelodeon.)
@ssnowstarr49855 ай бұрын
as long as nsfw is properly tagged, there's nothing wrong with drawing nsfw of cartoon characters
@galaxyp3nny Жыл бұрын
wait what im a huge fan of amphibia and i never knew this happened??? ew
@ariadnemeo73602 жыл бұрын
Just passing by to say that I loved the 'excalibur face' on the thumbnail :D
@krzysztofdabrowski9399 Жыл бұрын
Ok, but what exactly the art was..? I was trying to find the controversy online and all i found was a drama about one character kissing other or carrying them bridal. Which would be just silly...
@Kyleruin Жыл бұрын
In my personal opinion, it doesn't matter whether or not the character is an adult or not, if they're from a kids show then people shouldn't post nsfw of characters in it, like sure if the character is an adult and you don't post it then whatever, but kids WILL end up finding it even if they don't specifically look for 18+ content, I could simply Google a character's name and if I scroll down just a little, I find a risqué image
@no-kk7ts2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I was wondering where you found the information about Disney animators? I can’t find anything about it and it sounds interesting! Thank you!
@no-kk7ts2 жыл бұрын
Also great video btw
@user-il3tm2fs2h Жыл бұрын
It's wrong, but you can't stop it. That describes the whole situation
@TubezThe1 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, a lot of animators and artists do and have done NSFW art, and honestly there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. If it's 18+ art, kids shouldn't be there in the first place. However, the adults should make sure they curate their space. I noticed a lot of NSFW artists usually put an "18+ only, no minors allowed" message in their profiles or on their websites wherever they display their stuff. Really though, I feel like this is more out of a place of people being very pearl clutchy. People have sex, some people like sex, some people like sexy pictures, some don't. That's just a fact and I feel like the sooner people understand that better. Clearly the people that do do this like sexy things, so they do it. I'll be honest, I've browsed rule34, mainly cause I was trying to find Q-Force stuff and barely got anything, but found plenty of X-Men. Sometimes it's nice to see some sexy art, sometimes you see your favorite ships, sometimes you'll find a comic that is more compelling than it has any right to be, like damn, and sometimes there's animations people have made that are surprisingly well done. Like I would hire some of these people to do projects if I had the money. However, if they're drawing minor characters, THAT is a problem. If they age them up in the work, thats... An iffy line honestly. For the case of Amphibia, the girls, Anne Sasha and Marcy, canonically 23-24 at the end of the series, so there literally is an aged up version of them already if you want to do that. If you draw them young, Imma look at you sideways with a knife in my hand.
@sweetamuraart2 жыл бұрын
As long as the character is aged up to be an adult, and they're keeping it in an adult area, I dont see a problem. Its a character, a cartoon, not a real life celebrity.
@irlelliewilliams2 жыл бұрын
wrong
@katherinedonovan974 Жыл бұрын
You mentioning CreepShow Art strike a chord with me, thanks for mentioning that. A few people I looked up talked about it but some people (not to my knowledge or I haven't done my research too well) were talking about it. So thanks for mentioning it.
@winniedzormo2456 Жыл бұрын
hi i actually think its a dumb fight and whatever the age theyre cartoon it hurt no one and it can help some person with some mental health that are sadly hated for something they cant control but what they actually can control are theyre action towards other,, and if drawing minor character in spicy way help them not ruining life,, i actually dont see why you people are not ok with it
@DuneTheKaiju Жыл бұрын
And you thought this was bad... *gravity falls r34* 😭
@ashy_inking1476 Жыл бұрын
*coughs* Pinecest
@scienceseason70592 жыл бұрын
what a wonderful video! thank you for this, you explained everything so clearly and well! also: little rant about my expreience with this as an big amphibia fan (+ a victim of online grooming within the community :( ). i have to say that when i found the google doc circulating twitter i was horrifed and digusted. the crew member who drew some of the art was VERY popular in the fandom (predominately full of minors) and a HUGE inspiration and idol to pretty much everyone (including me). they were my favourite artist for a long time and i looked up to them. when i found out that they had drawn p/rn of characters (who are minors for almost the entirity of the show, a show aimed at 10-YEAR-OLDS), i was fking heartbroken, and MANY of my online friends felt the same. i know countless people who left the fandom because the whole situation literally ruined the entire show for them. i agree with almost everything you said in this video, but honestly i can't help but hate the crew member, and i hope they face severe reprocussions. it's so disgusting that they would pretty much betray their fans like that. in my opinion it's perfectly fine to age up characters for fun, but if you're doing for the sole purpose of making spicy content with them, then thats fking disgusting. genuinly hope all cp artists go to hell!! p3dos and people like that are unfortunately really common in both cartoon + other fandoms, and it's a major problem, especially if it's a childrens show. thanks again for talking about this!
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
I agree
@purplefern60108 ай бұрын
And there are so many comments saying that "porn of fictional minors doesn't hurt anyone". 🙄 Yeah, see, this adult human drew a child sexually but it's not a problem because it wasn't a real child. It totally doesn't mean that this artist sexualizes children...even though that's literally what they just did. /sarc I can't believe we've gotten to the point where calling out pedophillic art is considered puritan and over reactive. Anyway all this is to say that I'm sorry that that happened to you and I completely agree with you.
@lawrencelopez98392 жыл бұрын
Art does not need to justify it's existence, it just does.
@Rockstar-tm9bz2 жыл бұрын
At first I do any most of my personal delineation intending in a particular ways of painting or drawing during the period of time, but I'm still an artist under 16 (and I'm ready to be focusing on life skills and being creative I am looking forward to you as your big fans of Amphibia.)😊
@lexuam_zaled Жыл бұрын
Uf, I remember this mess, although it kinda slipped my mind for a while, until now, I guess. I hate everything from this controversy, not only because the fact of making NSFW art of characters who are minors is really "ew", but because the person who first made all of this public did so in a way that made it feel like they were only seeking attention by "exposing bad people + shock value" rather than being someone concerned about the consequences and implications of that NSFW art. It's a though controversy, for me at least.
@tanimation7289 Жыл бұрын
What about medias that do but kids in more sexual scenarios like South Park? I can give you a list of what I’m talking about from that show alone.
@Uzidoorman42 жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel like those artist take fictional characters and try to turn everyone around them into that
@kiwi_bird Жыл бұрын
People are weird from all sides of the argument, can we all just agree on that?
@mpo48 Жыл бұрын
yeah but who's gonna stop people from doing it? there's sadly not much anyone can do about it, artists will draw what they want, and its all gonna stay on the internet forever.
@zoobMer7 күн бұрын
honestly spicy content should really only face real consiquences when it involves a real life minor, or involves a real person who did not concent to it. when people draw a real life minor, even as a drawing, I'm inclined to call that CP and say they deserve jail; but if the character is entirely fictional _and_ portrayed by adults in canon work, the art does not hurt anyone. that being said, there is art I see relating to the Pokémon franchise in particular that just makes me uncomfortable, because the characters are canonically elementry school age, and the art did practically nothing to age them up.
@chrispiritas Жыл бұрын
hi, i sit with the video through the end, you have a really awesome way to put the pieces together to say exactly what needs to be said, love that bit where you said the person we have to protect the most at the end of the day is ourselves, that is true and it's what i've always thought! i don't usually involve myself in drama and prefer to block and move on. however, i feel like we need to speak sometimes on these topics that could influence a young audience. btw love your british accent? it's pretty thick lmfao ( not saying that in a negative way!! just in a "i noticed" way ??? idk how to explain it LMFAO ) have a good day and u have earned a new subscriber 👍
@sandwich3044 Жыл бұрын
This discussion is interesting! And I really appreciate the middle toned approach since we all just humans living our human lives lol. I think in my opinion, if you are working on smth that has a high chance you would interact or influence children (kids media) you really shouldn't be drawing porn. And esp of minors. Even more so that companies work, BC it will get shared and minors will see it. Too it's just kinda morally odd to do that contractually. However there is always going to be that person that has some even almost logical reasoning to become the exception. Everyone will use that excuse to still do those weird things, and then more new reasoning becomes valid and used as excusable. So in the end these things will just continue to exist forever. Unfortunately in some cases. I am in a bit of a differing mindset perhaps, because I draw NSFW content of human adult characters fairly often. Usually as it's the most intimate way to express feelings of well intimacy. And like prob any artist drawing that stuff, sometimes you do draw weirder things. There is nothing wrong with that, experiment if you wanna. You are free to do so. As long as you are disciplined in knowing what really shouldn't be made (nightmare fuel lol tho this is subjective too), or breaching certain things like minor characters. It's not a problem. Even all that weird diaper stuff, if it's adults, who cares don't look if you hate it, as I do lol. The important thing is to have it posted where minors can't access it unless they break the rules, tag appropriately, and if you notice someone that follows you and seems like a minor block them. While you can be as proactive as possible in ensuring minors don't access your more adult work, you also can't help if someone breaks the rules to look at it anyway sadly. If you are following the rules tho, then, awesome! Congrats, most people don't lol. Even for the problematic stuff, it would be far less annoying and frustrating, if it's tagged correctly so people aren't forced into seeing it. Can just blocklist and go on with your day for most art/social media sites. Sorry it's a bit long haha.
@Crusader-Ramos4516 күн бұрын
I feel like original nsfw art is enough. Parody NSFW art would make people who see them ruin the shows, movies, board games, video games, or children’s book series of their childhood.
@QqQ3Three3 Жыл бұрын
Post-watch: My boundaries • It's okay if - The characters are canonically adults. - The media as a whole is mature. - AND the two are true and the creator is fine with it. • It's not okay if - They are minors. - Creator themselves says no (though they can't control what the people do with the art). - Too extreme (subjective tho) Tips I learned from this video • ALWAYS MIND WHO WILL CONSUME WHAT YOU DRAW! • Know your reach on the audience and your influence and decide whether drawing said works are worth the risk or not. • Consumers and creators are both responsible for effects of said content (the creators moreso than the consumers). • Fiction and reality often intersect so much that one can't simply dismiss it as "just art". • A lot of art is subjective. Also, I'm interested in psych too, so yay! And the fact about Disney was hilarious. XD Edit: What do you guys say about Danganronpa? Characters can range from minors to adults, but considering that it's more mature franchise (and sex is at least subtly hinted at), I'm not completely sure where to draw the line here...
@megagamernick988313 күн бұрын
I don’t really care for NSFW as a religious man but to me the rules should be if the subject is 18 plus then ok that’s a legal adult but even though it’s impossible to stop drawing them, any minor fictional or otherwise should be scrutinized for the honestly disgusting implications. And no saying you aged up the character when they wear the exact same clothes as a child shouldn’t count. Drawing children in a sexualized manner shouldn’t be acceptable.
@godzillaminusonehype2 ай бұрын
If the character is 18+, on a different account, and the artisits blurs it out and puts warning in it then it should be fine, it is also not the artist's duty to see who checks the art they are drawing, that is my opinion on the matter.
@OnAnAcidTrip2 жыл бұрын
I don't really mind NSFW if they're over 18+. Is something that no matter what will happen. Some people feel cringe when for example, an artist draws Anya from Spy*Family, older and in a NSFW situation. But while She's older from what she looks on the show, I don't see the issue.
@sl1nk13 Жыл бұрын
adults don't get introuble for showing kids bad stuff if they dont know their age. its only a issue when they know the kids age. thats why the "are you 18+ thing" exists in lots of stuff. but i do agree if you aren't taking steps to stop kids from seeing bad stuff you are in fault
@ForOne814 Жыл бұрын
It's parents' (or whoever takes care of the child) job to keep their children from not seeing things they think their children shouldn't see. The platform may have its own rules, and artists aren't obligated to control who sees their works at all.
@blainetate743 Жыл бұрын
Here’s a question: are the images alive? No? Then shut up and move on with your day. Are children real? Yes? Then help THEM. Yes, some art can be disturbing, but while I have mild trypophobia, that doesn’t mean I try to cancel the artist who triggered my mild trypophobia. I think I made my stance clear.
@lavndvrrart6 ай бұрын
Personally I think that people are responsible for their own experiences online. If someothing bothers you block the artist. Don’t like don’t look, other people aren’t responsible for how their art impacts you.
@tikimillie Жыл бұрын
Maan i wish there was a brush like that in medibang
@neonZikron Жыл бұрын
Its ok to draw spicy/r34 of adult FICTINAL characters NOT KIDS/MINORS
@haveafungus Жыл бұрын
my opinion: its okay if the character(s) are adults
@morgantseasrant194824 күн бұрын
I genuinely thought spicy work was already accepted. But apparently we have not progressed as a society 😅 (not an opinion on this topic just in general)
@Crusader-Ramos4516 күн бұрын
By spicy works, you mean nsfw art of cartoons, right? If so, then there are cartoons and anime from everybody’s childhood that are better left out of the spicy works area. You’ll never know what animated show or movie may fall victim to it.
@trickygv Жыл бұрын
As someone who enjoys spicy content, as long as no real person is harmed I have no issue, with that in mind I believe too many social media platforms try to have both minors and 18+ content at the same time with paper thin barriers between them, as it's more profitable to have both on their platform. Same with image search engines pulling these images from around the web only to slap it on their website (same paper barrier too). and I'm no saint in this but when I started looking at spicy content (well before adulthood), but I had to explicitly look for it on sites separate from what I would normally go to. I think websites either need stronger barriers between the content, or they need to hard pick a demographic and remove the other.
@LongGoneAutumn2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I’ve ever been this early on a video 😅
@cosmic_heartz64802 жыл бұрын
honestly this is why im not getting into any modern kids cartoons outside of cbutm and the pokemon anime bc there's a good chance bs like this is going on behind the scenes. i also rlly couldnt get into amphibia despite trying to and the art style put me off.