For me personally I don’t care about spicy art for the most part, but when people start making spicy art and claiming they’re an adult despite looking the same, it starts to raise an eyebrow.

i think if the character is 18+ and the art is kept in an adult space, then there's no issue. great video! :0

If its on a whole other account, characters are 18+ and children find it? Not that artist fault. Its not an artists job to babysit the unsupervised kids of parents who could be bothered

About the kids accessing NSFW topic I think this all boils down to one thing and that is: Do NOT let little kids onto social media In my personal opinion anyone under the age of 13 should not be using any from of social media, and even if you are 13-15 you should be pretty limited to what you can access 18+ or 16+ warnings on certain things are not there just for decoration, they are there for a reason. The adults/16 year olds who are in charge of these 18+/16+ servers, art, animations, etc are not at fault if a child accesses their work (Unless they did not put a NSFW warning for example) It is the parents of this child who are at fault for letting their kid have access to this shit. I myself was exposed to VERY sexual activities/media when I was only 12 years old. I wish I could still have that "12 year old innocence" back but the damage has already been done. People under the age of 12 have little to no morals per say and will easily be convinced to do something either by their peers or the adults around them. I only started maturing/getting better morals after 13, I am currently 15 myself and still need to age/learn alot before fully maturing The human brain does not fully develop until somewhere in your 20s So it is the adults/guardians in these situations' jobs to make sure their kids don't get exposed to shit they should not be seeing. And it is also the adults on online platforms' responsibility to keep NSFW in adult spaces/put NSFW warnings on them, as well as avoiding drawing NSFW of minor characters/characters from little kid's shows

One of my favourite game devs has a strict no NSFW rule, or at least to keep it out of the hashtags and stuff. Luckily the fan base is small (mostly), but there’s still a few odd artists who decide to deliberately go against her boundaries. It sucks. Also it’s funny cuz her characters canonically don’t have genitals

9:00 animators are notorious for this stuff haha, and it goes allll the way back to the beginning, considering Osamu Tezuka's recently-discovered furry transformation porn stash...

I mean Disney employees are notorious for drawing porn.

The funny thing is that many people who draw 18+ fanarts are underage. I myself drew adult content only when I was 13-17. Maybe it was a way to come in terms with my sexuality and stuff. Now I only cringe thinking about stuff I created 🌚

So the characters weren't 'aged up' here is the thing, the series takes place in the past and then flashes forward to the modern day to show them as adults from what I understand. As everyone was a child once (bar robots/deities/etc), is it now morally wrong do draw NSFW of any fictional character? I just think it's something I rarely see people bring up, when a character ages in real-time or is shown at different ages within canon.

this is unrelated but my cat is curled up and sleeping as i watch this! she's so cute awwww

Welcome back! In my opionion, nswf art of minior characters is an unfortunate reality that's here to stay no matter what. Ye old Rule 34 of the internet speaks for itself. But I wholeheartedly agree that big influencers of a community that made a huge impact on them should not be Two-faced about it. I mean, if they make nsfw of adults characters that would be kinda okay??? But them making nswf of minors just seems a little disturbing. The point I'm trying to make I'm trying to make if it is not clear is that. If you are well known for sfw fan art and maybe nsfw of adults on the side seem like person who is not predatory. Then boom, minor nsfw, fiction or not. It's rotten of them to keep that a secret that they are posting online.

Idk I think this "we need to make everything pure for the pureity sake" is really annoying me it's not the artist job to keep the children save thats the job of the parents. And when it's not literally kids doing the dirty I don't see the problem here

One reason why animators and artists draw so much 18+ art is that it helps with things like anatomy, dynamic posing, perspectives, etc.

Personally, I do not believe that the artists who are involved are in the wrong at all. If it's true that the artists purposely made alternative accounts and had a warning about them making NSFW art of Amphibia characters, then they're in the right. Because they purposely separated themselves AWAY from their usual account. It is unjust if the adults specifically made it clear that they do not want children in their 18+ environments. What they have drawn is perfectly fine as long it stays in that realm. Of course this is the part where many would most likely disagree with me. It should be kept in mind that I also believe that art should have limits. That limit would be anything that involves real life people. This means I'm against NSFW art that is based on a real life person. Especially if that person is a child. Of course this is a debate that will go on for so many years without any conclusion to it though. It's very frustrating.

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Personally I feel aging up is okay if the character is not really portrayed as a child. Like the best example is weird things like ig family guy or southpark? I feel like it's more understandable then. But for something like a kids show or something where they actually act as kids

If the artwork depicts actual children being hurt/exposed, then that's where we should draw the line (no pun intended). I think as long as they're not actually hurting others, or themselves in real life, then it should be fair game. Not to say it isn't questionable, but it comes with the territory of Rule 34. Should they go to jail for drawing lewd art of fictional characters? No. That's like saying people who draw or write about murder should be arrested/committed because the depictions are so gratuitous. If anything, it's therapeutic for them. Again, not to condone or condemn them, but I believe in freedom of expression as long as it doesn't harm themselves or others (even if I vehemently disagree with their approach). In terms of "keeping that kind of art away from children", I'd say that should be the job of the parents. Anyone under the age of 16 shouldn't be allowed on the internet, PERIOD. There's also little to no evidence that indicates movies, video games, artwork, etc cause violence (and are often the convenient scapegoat for society's failings). Even in an _extreme_ case where it _MIGHT_ happen (maybe): it's anecdotal at best. And it's often performed by someone who is already deeply disturbed to begin with (i.e. John Hinkley Jr.: The guy who shot Ronald Reagan because he wanted to impress Jodie Foster; or Mark David Chapman: The guy who shot John Lennon because he read _The Catcher in the Rye_ ). With all of that said, if someone finds something disturbing on the internet that rocks them to their fundamental core, then it's best to just not pay attention to it. Life is too short to worry about that stuff, and there are better things to fight for that actually affect people's lives. I'm probably going to get some push back for saying all of this, but I think these kind of conversations should be addressed in order to move forward.

The way you shade is seriously so pretty. I wish I had your skills

It is well thought and introspective discussions like this that I become especially interested in. Although this video is specifically targeting artwork, these kind of issues are also present in film, video games, and written pieces. So much that it caused many interesting debates amongst my peers in my film ethics course. I stand by what I said back then: any piece of art that is displayed publicly requires a certain level of maturity and responsibility. This can vary depending on the age and experience of the creator - but the severity of each case needs to be evaluated individually. One also should not be wholly judged on a single action if the action itself wasn’t outwardly malicious.

Just gonna throw my two cent into the ring. Drawings of minors NSFW: Ew, Gross, why? Aging them up and making NSFW: Very Iffy but whatever. My problem is when you try to paint that drawing ANY nsfw of cartoons as bad. It's the internet and people can draw whatever the hell they want with characters they like getting freaky. Artists already are very vigilant on Twitter trying to keep minors away from that. They have private NSFW accounts, Pixix accounts with whole-ass passwords etc. However, it's not the artist's job entirely to be a babysitter for minors and children who (nowadays especially) who love acting like little puritans and purposely hunting down those accounts to "make themselves feel better" or pretend that they did something useful(Believe me, seen it multiple times in fandom culture). There aren't alot of dedicated spaces for adult content since most everyone is mostly on Twitter, but there are those who try their best to keep minors out of their spaces.

I think policing art based on perceived age of those lines on paper is stupid, especially coming from an artist trying to ruin the career of animators which are underpaid, overworked and underappreciated already. The accounts were hidden away and not advertised to minors. Getting the pitchforks out based on the assumption that determined minors might find ways to access the art anyway is insane. Maybe we should all just chill.

For me personally, I tend to find “spicy” art of characters creepy if the character is under 21. Yes I know 18 is legal in most places, but it’s still a teenager (and at that point it feels like it’s sexualizing the fact that they’re a teen). Also in my country, people aren’t fully legal adults until 21…

Honestly, I couldn’t give a shit if an artist makes cartoon p0rn of aged up characters or not. If said art remains in the fictional world and behind a NSFW account, then so be it, I’m not gonna harass, send threats of the self shmurder kind, or doxx you and nobody should, but be prepared to get judged by me and others because when you make content like drawing fictional minors in sexual situations, you will rightfully be questioned. Especially if you’re someone who’s official to a show, game or whatever.

The real question should be " should chronically online kids lie about their age to get into 18+ spaces then get suprised that it 18+then try to get clout by slandering someone over cartoons characters that will definitely not thank them for saving them " Yes i am salty let me be salty

Reads title: well duh, of course is okay. We don't have to like it or consume it, but is none of our business how others do art. In my opinion, if you want to make nsfw art of a character that is canonacly a minor, at the very least age them up. Some will say is "gro*ming" but is just putting normality in something that can't live. Is like stepping in a future where the characters are adult. Humans grow up but cartoons don't, and it is far fetch to say aging the character up is gro*ming. Now, if someone is not aging them up... i have complicated feelings on the matter. At one hand, i dont like it, and don't get why they dont imagine the characters as adults. On the other hand, things like trauma and copying comes into play in those situations alot, so is unwise to say they are pre**tors because theu draw or consume art this way, specially when is not realistic. The law says that "art and pictures can be seeing as cp" but it doesn't specify if cartoonist styles apply to it or not. In my understanding the law only punish those that consume hyper realistic art with minors, otherwise the chibi style would've be illegal. At the end of the day, is a matter of just leave it alone most of the time. Dont consume, dont share, dni. We cant judge someone for the art they make bc we do not know this person I get the concern of children finding it, but as you said is not the job of the creator to babysit them. Some will ask "why do they post it anyway? If is made for the purpouse of couping/trauma/pleasure, do they have to post public?" - I don't have the best answer for that; sometimes i think is best not to post, sometimes i think it is. Sometimes the trouble of sharing controversial art isn't worth it, if you think of kids going to consume even with tw in place. I dont have all th3 answers and it changes over time. Overall, if you will make nsfw art, make them all over 18, if you want to make a narrative with minors exploring their sexuality, dont be gross about it. Put trigger warnings, dont allow children and minors near your content as much as you can and dont share it directly to them knowily (that is gro*ming behaviour). To the consumers: dont share/like/ comment if is something you dont like. Be aware that doing art is not the same as doing the crime. Understand that many have good reasons to do the art they do. Dont spreed misinformationt around.

"is it ok to draw spicy art of cartoons?" yes... they're cartoons... people have been doing this since before the internet existed, why is it Only Now that people are seething over it

I wish people will stop calling the hotlines about fictional characters when real-life victims need that help the most. I don't care about cartoon characters, I can't fault the people drawing them in safe 18+ places (Yes I get drawing fictional minors is wrong or uncomfortable to people but to me, since they are not alive, I don't care about how people draw them *within the rules and guideline, of course,* and I don't seek them out; I stay in my line of things I like.) But if you're going out of your way to look these groups up knowing you hate that stuff, I'm sorry but that's on you. Now if this was about real children, I'll get the outrage and will join in to have that person either change or take them off the platform.

I usually listen to your videos on the background, and it is very much enjoyable. And with talking about these important topics, you know it means I’m subbed!

"Spicy art is a pretty big thing" The biggest understatement of the millennia

13:50 not really Japanese law does not consider any form of stylised drawings as CP only photorealistic depictions of CP count when talking about drawing, so this statement is factually incorrect

My opinion wont be too favored but my thoughts are if they are just drawing a cartoon I'm not too concerned about it *UNLESS* they depict real individuals or use cartoons as a way to spread hateful messages and racism. So if its a cartoon that's not hateful I'm not mad as long as its tagged clearly.

One thing I've always wondered with situations like these, if it was a separate account and there wasn't any public info that the two accounts were by the same person, wouldn't publicizing that information cause more harm than good? Like, if they were popular then isn't there a chance _more_ kids would find the spicy art now, or that _more_ kids might think "wow, this popular person did it, maybe it's normal"? I haven't read the google doc though, nor am I in the amphibia community, so I don't know if it applies to this drama. I did see one person in the comments saying the doc ruined amphibia for them and a lot of people in the amphibia community, so it's also possible it did more good [condemn people who do this] than harm [normalize people that do this].

I don't really care about spicy work if the character is 18+ but when it's a minor then I raise an eyebrow

It is an interesting discussion. It's not easy to make the decision since Adult spaces get invaded by the wee babies alot and other than booting them there isn't much one can do. Not to mention the aging up characters thing is just a big load of worms. I used to be in the camp that it was okay to age up underage characters for sexual reasons but now? I changed my mind a bit lol

I feel like spicy art of characters who are minors (especially If it's with adult characters) is disgusting and repulsive, as It sexualizes kids/teens. BUT NSFW made of ADULT Cartoon characters is okay IF posted in a private account where minors won't be able to reach It. Witch is why I don't really get why Raebits (and KJ too, i think?) Got the same hate/cancelling as the others Did, when they only Drew 23+ year old characters and safe of minors? I totally understand not liking/feeling unconfortable with this kind of art, but i dont really get It being scrutinized If it's not wrong?

Interesting insight Fiona! Thank you for sharing your perspective on this thorny internet issue. I'm curious what your perspective on NSFW art of aged up characters is? I've seen discussions around that particular facet of this issue get pretty messy.

Yes. Its not like they are airing it on Disney Channel. Although it's best to keep it at home or post it anonymously. Children could be present.

I can't help but find the level of anger that people feel over spicy art of cartoon characters, minor or otherwise, to be a bit silly to get angry over, But then again I see fictional characters to be equivalent to dolls I get to play with. There are personal lines here and there, but different people have different lines so there's no uniform rule. I do agree with trying to keep said spicy things in adult spaces but it also feels like the argument that kids will do what kids do and go out of their way to find it just makes me think of the Southpark movie scene where Kyles mom was fighting with the prime minister of Canada for the country even MAKING an R rated film because "The Children will find a way to see it!". Like if they go into the adult spaces and find something they're not supposed to an adult in their life should put a foot in their ass. But that's just me. I was taught to self regulate my webs surfing experience from a young age.

From What I learnt, A lot of Warner Bros. Animation Artists especially from the 90s/00s drew spicy art of characters before/while in the industry.

I do think it's wrong and creepy but making dirty art shouldn't be treated the same as hurting a real life minor. Obviously one is way worse then the other

If it doesn't hurt anyone I personally don't care, drawn stuff isn't illegal as it's not depicting and exploiting people who actually exist. Is it tasteful? Eh not really, but is it worth going on a witch hunt about? Nah, life's already too short and filled with drama to get mad at things that don't actually make a difference

personally, I draw almost all of my characters nude to know how their clothing would fit but overtly sexual art usually isn't necessary

I think there should be a place for that. A website where only adults can get on. So in that way no minors get "scarred" for life. But I'm in no way apposed to this kind of art and actually I like that art. It shows people's skills as well as what they like in the genre. But don't get me wrong this should be hidden from minors. Yeah, that's my take on the matter.

I genuinely couldn't give less of a shit so long as is it stays art of a fictional character from a fictional show.

You would think it would be common sense by now that parents enable some kind of parental controls on their kid's tvs, phones, and computers. Parents need to be actually parenting. Erotic art has been a part of human culture since we evolved, and there is no reason why it needs to be censored if parents are willing to set reasonable limits on their kids.

I'm going to say it's okay at least especially in the crew member's part, Crew members of just about anything have been known to draw some definitely racy NSFW stuff all the time. I've seen it in comics, I've seen it in CN shows, the list goes on. It's out there that Rebecca Sugar drew Ed, Edd, and Eddie NSFW art. ._. I think in that case first and foremost it's important to bear in mind that these are adults who made the characters, and in an adult space then that's entirely up to them, unfortunately children will find ways to get their hands on these things by searching on the internet, if you want to not risk that happening then maybe parents should keep a better watch on their kids and what they do on the internet. 13 year old me knew what certain types of Pr0n were, was aware that it was more than likely drawn by an adult, and was still ehm... wondering why that stuff wasn't put behind some form of censor on a public site where anyone could find it, and it wasn't even an NSFW site. There's also very little anyone could do when it comes to especially the companies in charge of these things, and would have to do something very truly egregious to have means to fire them with hard evidence.

Just to clear things up, in the part Fianpollo says they’re on the ace spectrum and that art is boring to them, i’m on the ace spectrum (aegosexual) and sometimes that art isn’t boring for me (iykyk) not everyone on the spectrum doesnt like the nasty.

I think you should be able to create spicy art of any character, within reason. Like, if the character is a minor, obviously that’s gross af, and it’s still kinda gross if the character is barely legal so you won’t get in trouble, but if you take a 13-14 year old character and age them up to around 20-30, just count it as an au and move on. The internet is filled with all types of people, who enjoy all types of characters in different ways, and if you’re respectful about it, I don’t think you should be jumped by randos who don’t even take a second to think about what your art means to you and people like you.

I've been wondering about what this whole...thing was about, so I'm glad you're covering it!

I must be out of the loop, what's creepshow art? I have to agree, I don't like spicy art regarding children's cartoons. Someone I was following on DeviantArt changed from doing regular cartoon art to sexual cartoon art content and it just... It ruined childhood cartoons for me that I genuinely liked and felt comfortable with. I'm a fully grown adult and I think adult content should stay with adult content (spicy or not) and children's content should remain that way. If it was made for children, leave it as it was intended. It's super disrespectful.

I just don't understand why people have to sexualize every piece of media they interact with, like are you truly THAT compelled to draw MLP smut? People act like they have no power over what they draw nsfw of, you don't need to draw nsfw of kid's characters, its not a right or a need and I find the way people try to find any justification and loophole to justify what they are doing so weird. Yes technically what you are drawing isn't illegal but WHY do you need to draw it.

First of all I agree saying just because it is fictional characters means it has no impact in real life is wrong. Repeated exposure to viewpoints can have an impact of the reader as while as imply things about the author. That said I am going to put my view here that content for 18+ people should not be viewed through the lens of what is and is not appropriate in real life. I was interested in imagery of what I was before I was even a teenager (naturally it was not age related stuff). and simply not viewing that stuff is a good way to build up insecurity. I actually avoided viewing 18+ stuff when I was a teenager do to being that kid that followed the rules. it did not stop me from thinking about that stuff at all. and thinking continuously that what you are interested in is bad and needs to be avoided is not good for the mind. I do think some consideration needs to go in though. What content you make can be a slippery slope and there is not a clear line from what is strictly fantasy and what suggests things about the real world. I have seen some things from Japanese authors that very much made me raise my eyebrows as they went beyond just having things but actually implying morals about those things.

at least it wasnt of the frogs… 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

If someone draws “spicy art” and some kid finds it, that’s the kids fault for seeking it out, if the kid finds it on accident then that’s no one’s fault it’s just a sad coincidence, side note, I obviously prefer if people draw “spicy art” the character is 18+ if it is a kid then I still don’t care, do I think it’s kinda gross? Yes. Do I think it really matters? No, if you want to know why I’ll just say why, it’s fiction guys, maybe I’m desensitized to it due to hanging around the anime side of Twitter but my opinion still stands, feel free to be mad in the replies (if anyone cares about this comment) I welcome criticism, just be original with it please

Its a fictional character not exactly concerned about their lives when real children could be getting saved, doesn't help that the FBI line for child sexual abuse reports were clogged up with fictional children, really helpin those fictional kids there ay?

I await the day where a good 3rd of all creators are found out to have made "spicy" work. I won't have enough popcorn.

The context between what you were discussing and the art you were creating tickled me. Thank you for adding your voice to this discussion and know that know that it was both valid and enjoyable.

No interest in the art, but the preview image literally looks like Sasha’s teen design. There’s already a cannon design for what she looks like as an adult, they’re fooling themselves. Revolting.

It’s why I mostly won’t ever post my characters on the internet specifically child characters sibling/family characters and even teen characters because their is so many weird people like this and the proshits. Do that shit with your own characters and it’s also still weird of you doing it even if it is fiction.

I think... fiction is fiction, and so long as you understand how to behave irl, I really don't care. There's also the issue that a lot of people develop cartoon crushes that don't just go away so such depictions of this characters as they originally looked could be a gray area potentially, (lot of pokemon characters as a prime example) but I think what's most important is not doing harm irl. Now, how much harm this does or doesn't cause irl is hard to measure. Some people just like the character so much they develop "romantic" feelings or something similar, sad as it may sound. Human psychology is tricky and this huge influx of fictional content and shared spaces is relatively new in human history, so adapting to such an environment may be slow going in general.

Ok, a couple things that need to be clarified: 1. Spicy art of underage characters is fine if they are clearly depicted as adults (I know, this is a hot topic, but I really don’t see what the issue there is, fans grow up and want to portray their faves in relevant situations) - and, of course, not shown to minors. That much should be obvious to everyone. I honestly don’t see what the problem is with people who worked on the show drawing spicy stuff of the show (though it shouldn’t be available to minors, of course). 2: People need to seriously stop misusing the term “proship” now. This term has been around since forever, and did not specify ships that are problematic. “Pro” isn’t short for “problematic”, it’s a suffix and the opposite of “anti”. “Are you for shipping or against shipping? Then you’re either antiship or proship.” I have been in fandoms for literally more than 25 years (was an adult when I first got internet) and was part of the group that was for shipping and it was always used for people who are for shipping instead of against it or neutral. A good suggestion I’ve heard was to spell it “probship”, to make it clear that it’s specifically about problematic ships, and not about ALL ships. As for the part about children, I honestly feel like children shouldn’t be on the internet at all. It’s far too easy to access porn, and far too many creeps. (Twitter, for example, doesn’t even enforce adult content filters; yet doesn’t prevent children from joining or viewing. AKA: Twitter is NOT a place for minors, but there’s nothing at all to even try and prevent them from being on there.) I can’t believe that, in this day and age, parents still haven’t wised up and actually supervise their children when they’re online. It’s something that’s been said since the internet became widely available: it’s not a safe place for unsupervised children. And yet here we are. Now, as for the Disney thing, I think that is SO ridiculous. I can’t believe any artist would actually agree to that. I would not, because I need to be able to draw stuff for me and Disney has no place trying to claim it as their property. (Meaning, no, I would not work for Disney if the contract included that.) I could understand if it was art of their characters, even ones I wasn’t involved in professionally, but definitely not non-Disney stuff. (Also, what would happen if I drew SpongeBob? I don’t think they can claim ownership of a Nickelodeon piece, because SpongeBob very much legally belongs to Nickelodeon.)

as long as nsfw is properly tagged, there's nothing wrong with drawing nsfw of cartoon characters

wait what im a huge fan of amphibia and i never knew this happened??? ew

Just passing by to say that I loved the 'excalibur face' on the thumbnail :D

Ok, but what exactly the art was..? I was trying to find the controversy online and all i found was a drama about one character kissing other or carrying them bridal. Which would be just silly...

In my personal opinion, it doesn't matter whether or not the character is an adult or not, if they're from a kids show then people shouldn't post nsfw of characters in it, like sure if the character is an adult and you don't post it then whatever, but kids WILL end up finding it even if they don't specifically look for 18+ content, I could simply Google a character's name and if I scroll down just a little, I find a risqué image

Hi, I was wondering where you found the information about Disney animators? I can’t find anything about it and it sounds interesting! Thank you!

It's wrong, but you can't stop it. That describes the whole situation

Honestly, a lot of animators and artists do and have done NSFW art, and honestly there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. If it's 18+ art, kids shouldn't be there in the first place. However, the adults should make sure they curate their space. I noticed a lot of NSFW artists usually put an "18+ only, no minors allowed" message in their profiles or on their websites wherever they display their stuff. Really though, I feel like this is more out of a place of people being very pearl clutchy. People have sex, some people like sex, some people like sexy pictures, some don't. That's just a fact and I feel like the sooner people understand that better. Clearly the people that do do this like sexy things, so they do it. I'll be honest, I've browsed rule34, mainly cause I was trying to find Q-Force stuff and barely got anything, but found plenty of X-Men. Sometimes it's nice to see some sexy art, sometimes you see your favorite ships, sometimes you'll find a comic that is more compelling than it has any right to be, like damn, and sometimes there's animations people have made that are surprisingly well done. Like I would hire some of these people to do projects if I had the money. However, if they're drawing minor characters, THAT is a problem. If they age them up in the work, thats... An iffy line honestly. For the case of Amphibia, the girls, Anne Sasha and Marcy, canonically 23-24 at the end of the series, so there literally is an aged up version of them already if you want to do that. If you draw them young, Imma look at you sideways with a knife in my hand.

As long as the character is aged up to be an adult, and they're keeping it in an adult area, I dont see a problem. Its a character, a cartoon, not a real life celebrity.

You mentioning CreepShow Art strike a chord with me, thanks for mentioning that. A few people I looked up talked about it but some people (not to my knowledge or I haven't done my research too well) were talking about it. So thanks for mentioning it.

hi i actually think its a dumb fight and whatever the age theyre cartoon it hurt no one and it can help some person with some mental health that are sadly hated for something they cant control but what they actually can control are theyre action towards other,, and if drawing minor character in spicy way help them not ruining life,, i actually dont see why you people are not ok with it

And you thought this was bad... *gravity falls r34* 😭

what a wonderful video! thank you for this, you explained everything so clearly and well! also: little rant about my expreience with this as an big amphibia fan (+ a victim of online grooming within the community :( ). i have to say that when i found the google doc circulating twitter i was horrifed and digusted. the crew member who drew some of the art was VERY popular in the fandom (predominately full of minors) and a HUGE inspiration and idol to pretty much everyone (including me). they were my favourite artist for a long time and i looked up to them. when i found out that they had drawn p/rn of characters (who are minors for almost the entirity of the show, a show aimed at 10-YEAR-OLDS), i was fking heartbroken, and MANY of my online friends felt the same. i know countless people who left the fandom because the whole situation literally ruined the entire show for them. i agree with almost everything you said in this video, but honestly i can't help but hate the crew member, and i hope they face severe reprocussions. it's so disgusting that they would pretty much betray their fans like that. in my opinion it's perfectly fine to age up characters for fun, but if you're doing for the sole purpose of making spicy content with them, then thats fking disgusting. genuinly hope all cp artists go to hell!! p3dos and people like that are unfortunately really common in both cartoon + other fandoms, and it's a major problem, especially if it's a childrens show. thanks again for talking about this!

Art does not need to justify it's existence, it just does.

At first I do any most of my personal delineation intending in a particular ways of painting or drawing during the period of time, but I'm still an artist under 16 (and I'm ready to be focusing on life skills and being creative I am looking forward to you as your big fans of Amphibia.)😊

Uf, I remember this mess, although it kinda slipped my mind for a while, until now, I guess. I hate everything from this controversy, not only because the fact of making NSFW art of characters who are minors is really "ew", but because the person who first made all of this public did so in a way that made it feel like they were only seeking attention by "exposing bad people + shock value" rather than being someone concerned about the consequences and implications of that NSFW art. It's a though controversy, for me at least.

What about medias that do but kids in more sexual scenarios like South Park? I can give you a list of what I’m talking about from that show alone.

Yeah I feel like those artist take fictional characters and try to turn everyone around them into that

People are weird from all sides of the argument, can we all just agree on that?

yeah but who's gonna stop people from doing it? there's sadly not much anyone can do about it, artists will draw what they want, and its all gonna stay on the internet forever.

honestly spicy content should really only face real consiquences when it involves a real life minor, or involves a real person who did not concent to it. when people draw a real life minor, even as a drawing, I'm inclined to call that CP and say they deserve jail; but if the character is entirely fictional _and_ portrayed by adults in canon work, the art does not hurt anyone. that being said, there is art I see relating to the Pokémon franchise in particular that just makes me uncomfortable, because the characters are canonically elementry school age, and the art did practically nothing to age them up.

hi, i sit with the video through the end, you have a really awesome way to put the pieces together to say exactly what needs to be said, love that bit where you said the person we have to protect the most at the end of the day is ourselves, that is true and it's what i've always thought! i don't usually involve myself in drama and prefer to block and move on. however, i feel like we need to speak sometimes on these topics that could influence a young audience. btw love your british accent? it's pretty thick lmfao ( not saying that in a negative way!! just in a "i noticed" way ??? idk how to explain it LMFAO ) have a good day and u have earned a new subscriber 👍

This discussion is interesting! And I really appreciate the middle toned approach since we all just humans living our human lives lol. I think in my opinion, if you are working on smth that has a high chance you would interact or influence children (kids media) you really shouldn't be drawing porn. And esp of minors. Even more so that companies work, BC it will get shared and minors will see it. Too it's just kinda morally odd to do that contractually. However there is always going to be that person that has some even almost logical reasoning to become the exception. Everyone will use that excuse to still do those weird things, and then more new reasoning becomes valid and used as excusable. So in the end these things will just continue to exist forever. Unfortunately in some cases. I am in a bit of a differing mindset perhaps, because I draw NSFW content of human adult characters fairly often. Usually as it's the most intimate way to express feelings of well intimacy. And like prob any artist drawing that stuff, sometimes you do draw weirder things. There is nothing wrong with that, experiment if you wanna. You are free to do so. As long as you are disciplined in knowing what really shouldn't be made (nightmare fuel lol tho this is subjective too), or breaching certain things like minor characters. It's not a problem. Even all that weird diaper stuff, if it's adults, who cares don't look if you hate it, as I do lol. The important thing is to have it posted where minors can't access it unless they break the rules, tag appropriately, and if you notice someone that follows you and seems like a minor block them. While you can be as proactive as possible in ensuring minors don't access your more adult work, you also can't help if someone breaks the rules to look at it anyway sadly. If you are following the rules tho, then, awesome! Congrats, most people don't lol. Even for the problematic stuff, it would be far less annoying and frustrating, if it's tagged correctly so people aren't forced into seeing it. Can just blocklist and go on with your day for most art/social media sites. Sorry it's a bit long haha.

I feel like original nsfw art is enough. Parody NSFW art would make people who see them ruin the shows, movies, board games, video games, or children’s book series of their childhood.

Post-watch: My boundaries • It's okay if - The characters are canonically adults. - The media as a whole is mature. - AND the two are true and the creator is fine with it. • It's not okay if - They are minors. - Creator themselves says no (though they can't control what the people do with the art). - Too extreme (subjective tho) Tips I learned from this video • ALWAYS MIND WHO WILL CONSUME WHAT YOU DRAW! • Know your reach on the audience and your influence and decide whether drawing said works are worth the risk or not. • Consumers and creators are both responsible for effects of said content (the creators moreso than the consumers). • Fiction and reality often intersect so much that one can't simply dismiss it as "just art". • A lot of art is subjective. Also, I'm interested in psych too, so yay! And the fact about Disney was hilarious. XD Edit: What do you guys say about Danganronpa? Characters can range from minors to adults, but considering that it's more mature franchise (and sex is at least subtly hinted at), I'm not completely sure where to draw the line here...

I don’t really care for NSFW as a religious man but to me the rules should be if the subject is 18 plus then ok that’s a legal adult but even though it’s impossible to stop drawing them, any minor fictional or otherwise should be scrutinized for the honestly disgusting implications. And no saying you aged up the character when they wear the exact same clothes as a child shouldn’t count. Drawing children in a sexualized manner shouldn’t be acceptable.

If the character is 18+, on a different account, and the artisits blurs it out and puts warning in it then it should be fine, it is also not the artist's duty to see who checks the art they are drawing, that is my opinion on the matter.

I don't really mind NSFW if they're over 18+. Is something that no matter what will happen. Some people feel cringe when for example, an artist draws Anya from Spy*Family, older and in a NSFW situation. But while She's older from what she looks on the show, I don't see the issue.

adults don't get introuble for showing kids bad stuff if they dont know their age. its only a issue when they know the kids age. thats why the "are you 18+ thing" exists in lots of stuff. but i do agree if you aren't taking steps to stop kids from seeing bad stuff you are in fault

Here’s a question: are the images alive? No? Then shut up and move on with your day. Are children real? Yes? Then help THEM. Yes, some art can be disturbing, but while I have mild trypophobia, that doesn’t mean I try to cancel the artist who triggered my mild trypophobia. I think I made my stance clear.

Personally I think that people are responsible for their own experiences online. If someothing bothers you block the artist. Don’t like don’t look, other people aren’t responsible for how their art impacts you.

Maan i wish there was a brush like that in medibang

Its ok to draw spicy/r34 of adult FICTINAL characters NOT KIDS/MINORS

my opinion: its okay if the character(s) are adults

I genuinely thought spicy work was already accepted. But apparently we have not progressed as a society 😅 (not an opinion on this topic just in general)

By spicy works, you mean nsfw art of cartoons, right? If so, then there are cartoons and anime from everybody’s childhood that are better left out of the spicy works area. You’ll never know what animated show or movie may fall victim to it.

As someone who enjoys spicy content, as long as no real person is harmed I have no issue, with that in mind I believe too many social media platforms try to have both minors and 18+ content at the same time with paper thin barriers between them, as it's more profitable to have both on their platform. Same with image search engines pulling these images from around the web only to slap it on their website (same paper barrier too). and I'm no saint in this but when I started looking at spicy content (well before adulthood), but I had to explicitly look for it on sites separate from what I would normally go to. I think websites either need stronger barriers between the content, or they need to hard pick a demographic and remove the other.

I don’t think I’ve ever been this early on a video 😅

honestly this is why im not getting into any modern kids cartoons outside of cbutm and the pokemon anime bc there's a good chance bs like this is going on behind the scenes. i also rlly couldnt get into amphibia despite trying to and the art style put me off.