The anime industry is suffering because of too many high profile shows.

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kViN's blog: blog.sakugabooru.com/2022/02/...
00:00 - Intro
00:32 - How to learn more about the anime industry
01:31 - "Full Sakuga" shows
03:20 - Most high profile shows have the same group of animators
04:56 - Competition for veterans in the industry
06:52 - Importance of veteran animators
08:03 - Chainsaw man vs Jujutsu kaisen season 2
09:27 - Chainsaw man vs Mob psycho 100 season 3
10:19 - Situation bad
10:26 - How animators are paid
13:03 - Why connections is way more important than budget for animation quality
13:23 - Cloverworks situation
17:10 - Kyoto animation and Ufotable have the answer
19:21 - So what's gonna happen?
20:12 - Conclusion

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@501clonetrooper 2 жыл бұрын

important thing to note is that Akebi, despite looking relatively good, is a flop. You can tell by how there were no reports of increase manga sales, merchandise, nor source material sales. Just because a show may look relatively good, doesn't really mean much if it fails to lead to merchandising, source material sales. Although Aniplex is a massive anime producer, they don't have the complete share when it comes to merchandising. I feel it has become an arms race to get a new hit show as fast as possible to compete with existing proven shows. The competition has severely increased. Gridman by Trigger managed to get quite a lot of merchandising. more than 86 and Dress Up Darling, despite relatively low viewership. Those chinese gachas invading the industry and ready to produce anime like Azur Lane and Dolls Frontline that have abysmall viewership and terrible reviews yet make a ton of merch. Re Zero getting big very fast despite White Fox losing a ton of staff. Date A Live is already considered the best looking show this season, and has managed to beat 90%+ of animes in merchandising + having high viewership despite its history of having to switch studios every season due to financial problems, and its current anime coming from a supposed no name studio. Notice how Aniplex were quick to get Maruto and Tsunako to make a new rom com for their premiere studio A1. All of these shows have one thing in common. They come from relatively small studios from supposedly smaller production committees being outside Aniplex. I am probably not 100% correct on my analysis, but I do feel it has become an arms race.

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

You're correct about small studios making better projects. Canipa Effect also said that in his video titled "Anime: The Broken Industry". Small studios don't get screwed over by extreme deadlines, and since they are small, it comes with the benefit of being easy to organise. BUT if they find too much success, it will just turn into another WIT studio situation, so yeah. That's not a fix either unfortunately. It needs to be a small studio that is independent of production committees, but then where the hell will they get money? Really the only fix is investing initially in a ufotable like setup, rack up all the debt and hope you get a breakthrough like demon slayer.

@501clonetrooper 2 жыл бұрын

@@-MankoMan yes i agree. Nowadays any profitable series is tied to a larger production committee and extra funding can come from people within that committee like a game developer, toy developer. Originals have it harder against a proven manga or light novel and only large committees like aniplex tend to handle original, often tied with successful creators froma publisher. E.g. aniplex's engage. You dont really find hit series anymore that isnt tied to some publisher. With kadokawa announcing an increase in amount of animes they produce, without a doubt the smaller studios like geek toys will have to make more shows for the publisher.

@501clonetrooper 2 жыл бұрын

Want to add that if they are releasing this amount of high looking shows at this alarming rate, many shows are just going to crash and burn at the end. There is a cap on how many people are willing to spend loads of money on your series. This is especially crucial now since streaming has drastically hurt disc sales meaning merchandise sales are more important. What production committees care the most if if the show is a proven franchise. A battle shonen in weekly shonen jump will probably be fine but a lot of other series can get alarming axed. I have seen this in other forms of entertainment like card games and mobile games.

@catlike9444 2 жыл бұрын

And this is Kyoto animation and ufotable are the best studio in work environment in Japan

@678kaito 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I wasn't aware that WEP production was so bad animators got hospitalized, so even tho I already felt disgusted reading Kvin's blog, I now feel even more disgusted at this industry as a whole. The additional information is much appreciated, I always feel like a newbie when it comes to industry knowledge whenever I watch your vids or read blogs from Kvin lol

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to see you here again.

@SakugaObscurious 2 жыл бұрын

You need more subscribers bro, your one of the few anitubers with clear understanding of how the industry works. Even big name anitubers still attribute Demon Slayer's visual quality (not animation) to budget. This just spreads even more misinformation and honestly becomes really exhausting when talking about the animation of any show with anyone online. And speaking of JJK S2, its still in pre-production stage, I'm not sure if Sung-Hue Park will come back as director (hopefully he does), but if he did we can still expect some serious quality from the second season. Also Hell's Paradise (another Shonen Jump title) is also in production, really hoping it gets at least some love.

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

If JJK is in pre-production that's still not very nice because I think mushoku tensei season 2 is in the same boat and that has a lot of web-gen and veteran animators as well.

@vriendloos3242 2 жыл бұрын

@@-MankoMan how exactly? none of the main sakuga animators of mushoku tensei (ryo imamura, q-kawa, hiroyuki takashima and kouta sugawa) have worked on jujutsu kaisen or are you talking about something else and i just understood incorrectly?

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

@@vriendloos3242 I definitely phrased my previous comment incorrectly. The Veterans are mostly unaffected, but the loss is in free-lance web-genners. It will be pretty much impossible to get another episode like mushoku tensei's episode 11, which was a sakuga fest masterpiece with Shingo Yamashita and Yoshimichi Kameda, the former will work on JJK's openings again (hopefully) and the latter will be busy with mob. Also there's Toshiyuki Sato who I don't think will work in Mushoku Tensei again, which will be a loss because I loved his character acting scenes with the demon loli. Another easy way to notice the clash of web-gen animators is to just look at cour 2's PV and compare it to the show. I'm sure that the reason that most of them didn't work in the show is because of the two titans CSM and mob just inhaling all of these animators into the project, and as the pool of freelancers is getting exhausted, shows on a slightly lower tier like Mushoku and JJK will have to share more animators. They still have different core members who will deliver for the important episodes, like cour 2's episode with the dragon god fight, but there's only so much the core members can do. Episodes like mushoku tensei's 11 and jujutsu kaisen's 13 and 17 will become pretty much impossible to make.

@vriendloos3242 2 жыл бұрын

@@-MankoMan oooh okay i see that makes sense. I do however think this problem won't be a problem in the long run since the number of animators outside of japan animating in an anime is increasing at a huge rate and will continue to do so. This would mean that it will eventually somewhat balance itself out, or atleast i hope so. I am not knowledged enough to say any exact details about how long it will take or if i am certain this will actually happen but i think it would make sense if this happens

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

@@vriendloos3242 Yes, the number of animators will keep increasing. Number of projects will also keep increasing. But the competition to book veteran animators, that's what this video is about. Can't just give the role of animation director to a newbie web gen animator, and handling hundreds of new animators by literally sending them a dm on twitter, then organising work for them...seems like a bit too much. The industry needs a proper system to prepare for the rapid influx of animators. New branches like Sunghoo Park making a new studio is a good sign, but only time will tell whether these branches simply follow the footsteps of cloverworks and wit or actually try to be like ufotable and kyoani.

@Racher50 2 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling Nakamura won’t work on Mob or at least have a large role. I expect him to work on a large cut for MHA for its war arc. However if there’s only a single big cut from him he can very well do Mob too.

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

In MHA Yutapon usually does one scene for the movie and 2-4 scenes for the show, but last season he only did one scene. Mob was definitely already in production back then, which could mean Nakamura was working on it at the time. Of course this theory could be wrong and bones might announce another non canon mha movie in which Yutapon will work. That would be disappointing.

@SakugaObscurious 2 жыл бұрын

The man is in his 50s, so wouldn't really surprise me if he start doing a lot less cuts. Honestly it would be better if he took over the projects as animation director, storyboard artist, hell even director.

@carloscauan7967 Жыл бұрын

This comment aged well.

@Racher50 Жыл бұрын

@@carloscauan7967 it potentially hasn't but my second sentence is still very much a possibility with MHA's largest battles still to come.

@tsetchatecha9299 6 күн бұрын

at some point i believe hironori tanaka was actually 3 or more people, if not a demon working in anime industry for the amount of work he had done

@Art24mis 2 жыл бұрын

though i love when you go towards charlie type vids but i can never deny these info based vids are the best i feel so five headed after watching these plus it makes everyone aware of the situation keep up the good work man

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

I'm literally just making whatever I feel like making at the time lol. The "Charlie" type videos are just me trying to be more sarcastic and humorous, this is me trying to teach stuff.

@asg9973 2 жыл бұрын

I think a great thing about this channel is I get access to high quality animation recommendations which I wouldn't have known about beforehand

@kayraguven1134 2 жыл бұрын

I really love your videos man! I hope you will get more recognition and I really wouldnt mind watching a full hour video of yours! Keep up your great work!👍👍

@Shahan236 2 жыл бұрын

I love to see your videos on anime industry, they are really informative. Keep up the good work man👏👏👏👍

@athegodofanime7108 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Keep up the great work! Have an awesome day!

@YashCSM 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video from you

@Christian1801_ 2 жыл бұрын

Love your Videos

@Ha5hi_ 2 жыл бұрын

Good vid man

@frida633 2 жыл бұрын

This is just my opinion, but I feel that since Demon Slayer release, people have paid more attention to "animation". Although it has been since One Punch Man S1 and Mob Psycho, but after Demon Slayer release it became more highly a lot

@501clonetrooper 2 жыл бұрын

using demon slayer and ufotable or jjk, aot and mappa is a bad comparison people make. Weekly Shonen Jump is still the biggest otaku magazine in Japan, and a best selling battle shonen without a doubt get a ton of only get the highest caliber of studios that the publsiher will choose to have work on it.

@shirouamakusa5935 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like since 2020, the animation quality, and overall quality, of shows has significantly increased. Even though I may/has come at the cost of the animators, I really hope the industry starts to change its ways so that every party is happy in the end.

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

The frequency increase is mainly because of external producers who have no understanding of how the industry works. They see that its profitable, and hence want a piece of its success. Since the industry is just one big family of freelancers organised by studio producers, these external producers disrupt the very thin line of balance maintained in the industry which is why so many shows are switching studios and sometimes crashing entirely.

@tyresselittle747 2 жыл бұрын

Can you go in depth with Kyoto animation like you did with ufotable.Even if we as people know how people in that studio does it's project but I want hear your take

@rerezpect 2 жыл бұрын

I still don't get why some studios still don't have a in house core staff member. For business perspective, if you have a great in house core staff member, you can raise your studio value. Just look at KyoAni & Ufotable. Why they don't learn from them? I still don't get it. I'm guessing.. Maybe, some studios don't have any business model for their studios. They just made an anime, regularly.. So weird if it is.. I'm curious, how their financial statement? Are they got some lost on their projects? Because they definitely spend too much on core staff. It's more cheap if they hire a good core staff for sake of their business..

@veergaitandra 2 жыл бұрын

Nah staff members means you need to pay them on a permanent monthly basis and need to give them human dignity the 50 year oldJapanese dude who is making tons of money already would not be benifit from such a deal

@rerezpect 2 жыл бұрын

@@veergaitandra But still, if they wanna survive on this business, they need to think about staff. They pay too much on production key members.

@darshilparmar7016 2 жыл бұрын

They do have some staff . But most of them have to be freelance or project base . It's like saying why don't disney keep chris Evans on a permanent salary. It is not cheaper .

@rerezpect 2 жыл бұрын

@@darshilparmar7016 I'm ok with freelance. And.. actually, if you give Chris Evan as an example, it's off point on my argument. Chris Evan is an actor. He can get a project from talent agent. It's same thing as a seiyuu industry. If you wanna comparing with Hollywood film industry, compare it with editor, cameraman, or CG artist. But.. if you say it's not cheaper, then upscale the business. So they can get more reasonable project with reasonable payment. We have an example. Why they don't learn from that? This is the problem on anime business. They don't scale up their business. My argue still same. Raise them (in this case are studios) value. Made some portfolio with some solid staff. It's more cheaper than freelancing great person in each project. It's too much cost on variable cost.

@Cactimaniac 2 жыл бұрын

Bro i actually need an indepth vid of how studio bones works ,you know any?

@notationmusical 2 жыл бұрын

Can you sometime make a video talking about Animator Dormitory Project? It's important that this gets more recognition as they're trying to send money directly to animators.

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

I can't believe I've never heard of this before. I'll have to watch a lot of videos on it and do research before I talk about it, but then again its not like my small voice can help them currently. If I find something fascinating I'll make a video on it. Glad you brought it to my attention!

@danpaterson3098 2 жыл бұрын

and guess what you forgot to mention tokyo 24th ward. another clover works show that aired the same time as my dress up and akebi. idk if that same animator worked on it (probably not or else shes probably gonna die) but clover works needs to chill

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

Tokyo 24th ward has no effect on other cloverworks shows for the most part. They just threw their B team at it and gave them scraps to work with. I wanted to talk about shows where there is intermixing of staff so I didn't include it in this vid. I talked about it in my video on Vinland saga I think. But anyway, since it is a cloverworks project, there might be junior animators who worked on all three of the shows that aired last season simultaneously, and that's horrifying.

@danpaterson3098 2 жыл бұрын

@@-MankoMan yeah Rip junior animators feel bad for them they get treated like shit

@501clonetrooper 2 жыл бұрын

@@danpaterson3098 cloverworks is still under Aniplex's umbrella, and they are always going to be dealing with works Aniplex contract with, but doesn't deem big enough or a hit enough to go their stronger studios like A-1 or especially Ufotable. This is why Cloverworks release so many shows and a lot of them like persona 5, Tokyo 24, Akebi flop.

@danpaterson3098 2 жыл бұрын

@@501clonetrooper well i think we can all agree fuck aniplex

@user-og6pb6dd5p Жыл бұрын

@@501clonetrooperalthough ufotable's situation is Completely different than A-1 and cloverworks. A-1 and cloverworks are subsidairy of ANIPLEX and they can't do anything about it, they will just pump out more animes. Ufotable is always in the production committee and they do everything in-house and that's why they have a lot less shows compared to them. And ANIPLEX can't fuck them up in this way

@user-og6pb6dd5p Жыл бұрын

It's not Really cloverworks's fault because they are subsidairy of ANIPLEX just like A-1 pictures

@501clonetrooper 2 жыл бұрын

Will reply this to my pinned comment. want to add that if they are releasing this amount of high looking shows at this alarming rate, many shows are just going to crash and burn at the end. There is a cap on how many people are willing to spend loads of money on your series. This is especially crucial now since streaming has drastically hurt disc sales meaning merchandise sales are more important. What production committees care the most if if the show is a proven franchise. A battle shonen in weekly shonen jump will probably be fine but a lot of other series can get alarming axed.

@appleberry6186 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, ur so underrated...

@chirag7x681 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video

@PriyanshuDotCom 2 жыл бұрын

Damn,thats a sad thing that there is a shortage of veterans in the industry rn. I really need to stop pirating anime(that arent legal here) and use van instead. Keeping all the sad thing aside for just one min what do you think will be the best animated show this year;MP ,CSM, Bleach or some other.

@-MankoMan 2 жыл бұрын

Watching anime legally won't fix anything. It won't give money to the animators. In fact, you'll be giving money to the producers and showing them that they can make money by over working the animation staff, so sail away, pirate. MP and CSM will both look incredible but with completely different styles. CSM will have a lot of dynamic CGI backgrounds and some foreground CGI alongside the 2D animation; mob psycho will be 100% 2D if they do a similar job to the previous seasons.

@PriyanshuDotCom 2 жыл бұрын

@@-MankoMan thanks man I'm gonna pirate the shit outta them